| pmatulis | i have 'finish-install/reboot_in_progress note' in my preseed file (and no lines containing 'exit') and i find my new machines in a shutdown state. i want them to reboot upon installation | 14:02 |
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| cjwatson | I assume you have "d-i " at the start of that line, or it will have no effect | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | In any case, that only controls whether a dialog is shown just before exiting the installer | 14:04 |
| cjwatson | Rebooting is the default if you haven't preseeded otherwise. If the installer hasn't rebooted then it must not be able to ... | 14:05 |
| cjwatson | As in, it will have been calling the "reboot" command | 14:05 |
| pmatulis | yes, i have the d-i part. i figured reboot is the default. these are kvm guests so i guess they can't reboot for some reason | 14:10 |
| bdmurray | xnox: bug 1100694 is regarding UbuntuKylin and appears to have a patch | 16:00 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1100694 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "display OS in existing partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100694 | 16:00 |
| xnox | interesting. let me look. | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | if you accept that, please remove the useless start/end comments, and advise them not to include them in future patches ... | 16:02 |
| xnox | cjwatson: yeah. I'm not sure what it displays and how... given that one OS can span multiple disks and partitions. | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | os-prober results, perhaps? Or maybe they actually mean partition type? | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | OMG what | 16:06 |
| xnox | they display strings from misc.grub_options() | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | So, uh | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | Not quite | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | They look up the device name for the partition, and try to match that against misc.grub_options() | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | device path I mean, e.g. /dev/sda1 | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | That AT BEST needs a big comment explaining what it's doing, but I can't see how it makes sense; the described purpose would be better served by something involving os-prober | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | But I'll let you figure it out properly and talk to them :-) | 16:08 |
| xnox | =)))))) | 16:08 |
| xnox | yeah, but it will print nothing for "D:/" or like separate "/home", "/var" partitions.... | 16:09 |
| xnox | "D:\" that is. | 16:09 |
| infinity | I don't think trying to say anything useful for non-system partitions is worth the effort. | 16:09 |
| infinity | But os-prober -> icon mappings (or something) would be friendly for the normal "This is your Windows boot partition, doofus". | 16:10 |
| xnox | infinity: I really don't want ooohhh i have this partition with windows and this one says nothing and i can reuse it, OMG i just formatted by D:\ with all of my Documents&Settings =(((( boo-hoo | 16:11 |
| infinity | Well, you already display labels, right? | 16:11 |
| infinity | (I'll admit, I haven't looked at this UI in a while) | 16:12 |
| infinity | If you didn't give your D:\ an NTFS label of "Data" or "Storage" or "DON'T DELETE ME, ARGH", I'm not sure we can help you. What's there to detect? | 16:12 |
| infinity | "We scanned all the files on your partition and noticed some pretty compelling porn, are you sure you want to delete that?" | 16:12 |
| infinity | xnox: In the modern world where Linux installers default to a single partition (not counting swap), and Windows is always on a single partition, anyone who has multiple partitions/disks did it on purpose, so they really should know. | 16:15 |
| infinity | xnox: But my parents would probably find "Windows is installed here, no deletey" pretty handy. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Saying "data" or "NTFS" or something is better than looking like it's empty. | 16:16 |
| xnox | oem preinstalls with recovery partitions, excluded. | 16:16 |
| xnox | true. | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, you have recovery partitions, separate Windows boot partitions sometimes, EFI specials, all sorts of little oddities | 16:17 |
| * xnox over christmas "Dad, why did you wipe all data from your external hard disk?" "it asked me something & I click ok. There was no "D-E-L-E-T-E" in the prompt. It said something about "F-O-R-M-A-T" which is like defrag, right?!" | 16:17 | |
| infinity | Heh. | 16:19 |
| infinity | Don't recovery partitions have a special type anyway? | 16:20 |
| infinity | I vaguely recall they show differently in the Windows partitioner. | 16:20 |
| kentb | cjwatson, I tested this morning's raring server iso for that 4k sector problem. Still crashes in parted_server. The right dosftstools deb is in the build, but, not the udeb...do I need the udeb, too? bug 1065281 | 16:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1065281 in partman-basicfilesystems (Ubuntu Quantal) "Installer crashed when trying to partition 4k/4k sector hard disks" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065281 | 16:21 |
| infinity | Or maybe they just get the hidden flag set, usually. | 16:21 |
| xnox | they do have magic files on them for windows to treat them "hidden" (that's what I saw), but it was just a normal NTFS/FAT partitions. But that's from ~XP era. | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | kentb: Test this afternoon's, please :) | 16:21 |
| kentb | cjwatson, doh! ok. will do :) | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | kentb: I rebuilt recently for exactly that problem | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | And yes, you need the udeb | 16:21 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ok. cool | 16:21 |
| infinity | xnox: Are you sure they're not type 17 instead of type 07? | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | It went missing due to an LP snafu | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | I was going to wait for the respin before asking you to retest ... | 16:22 |
| xnox | infinity: that was like more than 8 years ago, I had to deal with that..... i don't have my parted logs handy. | 16:22 |
| infinity | Anyhow, this all sounds like stuff that os-prober partially knows and could learn to be much smarter about. | 16:22 |
| xnox | treu. | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | Anyway, we don't have to do Kylin's work for them - get back to them, lay out the problems and invite them to do better | 16:23 |
| infinity | Duplicating the logic elsewhere would be madness. | 16:23 |
| xnox | ack. | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | kentb: Thanks. Nearly out of time for today - will probably have to return to it on Monday | 17:46 |
| cjwatson | kentb: I think I may need the same trick with a desktop installation in order to get a traceback | 17:48 |
| cjwatson | kentb: But you'd need to apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/1546175/ to /lib/partman/commit.d/50format_basicfilesystems by hand first | 17:49 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ok. np. | 17:50 |
| kentb | cjwatson, thanks for your help and have a good weekend | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | Ah, hmm, I thought mkdosfs would autodetect logical sector size but it doesn't look like it | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | That might explain it | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1546203/ would help, but I think I'll leave that for now and just do it with blockdev | 17:57 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ok. I'm pulling down the desktop iso now and will apply the basicfilesystems mods and see what I get | 17:58 |
| cjwatson | kentb: actually, before that | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | kentb: Would you mind trying a repeat of the server installation, but before you get to the partitioner, switch to tty2 and use nano to apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/1546211/ to /lib/partman/commit.d/50format_basicfilesystems? | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | then save and exit, return to tty1, and continue | 18:01 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ok. I'll try that right now. | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | great | 18:02 |
| * kentb whistles while the server reboots | 18:03 | |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: I looked into bug 1093819 and did not find /var/lib/dpkg/arch in the image | 18:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1093819 in Wubi "Wubi installed 12.10 amd64 without configuring i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093819 | 18:04 |
| cjwatson | how strange, I'll have to look into that (next week) | 18:05 |
| infinity | Oh, hrm. That could be because the dpkg postinst only adds i386 as an arch on fresh installs, but dpkg is never a fresh install. | 18:15 |
| infinity | (Since debootstrap unpacks it without running postinsts, then reinstalls it, IIRC) | 18:15 |
| infinity | We paper over that in both d-i and ubiquity by explicitly adding the arch, I believe. | 18:15 |
| infinity | Assuming my theory about debootstrap is right, I can't think of a sane way to fix that other than having wubi also do the requisite papering over. | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | ah, yeah, or have live-build do it | 18:17 |
| infinity | Or live-build, sure. | 18:17 |
| infinity | live-build probably makes more sense. | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | makes the livefs bigger due to the extra Packages files | 18:17 |
| infinity | Though, if... | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | so probably better not do it across the board | 18:17 |
| infinity | Was just going to say that. | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | maybe do it in livecd-rootfs just for wubi? | 18:17 |
| infinity | Could do it as the step right after the final apt-get update. | 18:18 |
| kentb | cjwatson, those modifications didn't make a difference :( | 18:18 |
| kentb | cjwatson, so, I'll continue with the desktop iso and get trace | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | kentb: can I have the new syslog? | 18:18 |
| kentb | cjwatson, sure. | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | infinity: right before ... | 18:19 |
| cjwatson | infinity: we don't want to do it after for wubi, because then people don't have i386 indexes until they update | 18:19 |
| cjwatson | wubi is a special case here due to the ghost-y nature of its installation | 18:19 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Oh, I meant in the general case, but sure, could just do it very late for wubi-only. | 18:20 |
| infinity | (And the apt-get update again) | 18:20 |
| infinity | s/the/then/ | 18:20 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Conversation above saved in the bug for posterity (and so one of us remembers later :P) | 18:22 |
| cjwatson | ta | 18:22 |
| kentb | cjwatson, attached to bug | 18:23 |
| cjwatson | hmm, I really wasn't expecting that ... | 18:27 |
| cjwatson | kentb: do you still have it booted? | 18:27 |
| cjwatson | Oh | 18:28 |
| cjwatson | I'm an idiot | 18:28 |
| cjwatson | partman-efi is the bit that's actually crashing | 18:28 |
| cjwatson | kentb: OK, so never mind about the desktop CD, let me just go round and upload some more stuff and you'll get something a bit more sensible in the next build | 18:29 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ok sounds good | 18:29 |
| cjwatson | kentb: Can you just run two commands for me to confirm ... | 18:29 |
| kentb | cjwatson, sure | 18:29 |
| cjwatson | cat /var/lib/partman/devices/=dev=sdb/device | 18:29 |
| cjwatson | blockdev --getss /dev/sdb | 18:29 |
| kentb | cjwatson, first command outputs /dev/sdb~ second command outputs 4096 | 18:31 |
| cjwatson | excellent | 18:31 |
| cjwatson | the ~ there is just an artifact of that file not having a newline at the end | 18:32 |
| cjwatson | kentb: Just as well you didn't go through the code path I thought you did. My previous paste was dangerously incorrect | 18:42 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ah! ok. got it. | 18:44 |
| cjwatson | kentb: OK, uploaded another set of changes - though the number of brown-paper-bag uploads I've made just now suggest that I need to call it EOW | 18:54 |
| cjwatson | in any case the next server build should be worth testing against | 18:55 |
| infinity | cjwatson: We can just get more bags and expense them. | 19:07 |
| kentb | cjwatson, ok. thank you! | 19:18 |
| xnox | wallpaper "app" is borked in raring, even launching it directry via xinit doesn't paint, yet gnome-settings-daemon (which we are running) can paint the background fine. | 23:30 |
| xnox | but gnome-settings-daemon is not available on flavours and may remove desktop painting code in the future. | 23:31 |
| xnox | poking lightdm to see if it's possible to fix wallpaper "app" | 23:31 |
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