=== figarocorso is now known as miky_jr === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark === figarocorso is now known as miky_jr === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:41] hey guys. [16:04] ho ho ho [16:04] * ogra_ waves [16:04] #startmeeting [16:04] Meeting started Fri Jan 18 16:04:23 2013 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:04] so this is the weekly nexus7 status meeting [16:04] anyone here besides me ? [16:04] I am [16:05] Yapp [16:06] hmm, i would have wished for some more people ... especially developers to give some status updates [16:07] anyway, i can at least do my own status update if others dont show up ... [16:08] work has been done on the splashscreen front, people using recent images will notice plymouth showing up on their installs (sadly still in portrait mode) [16:08] ureadahead was also fixed to finally generate proper .pack files, that should speed up booting slightly [16:09] work on reducing the image size (due to switching the tarball to xz compression) is underway, that will give us the opportunitzy to finally re-pack the images for more than the 8G device [16:09] xnox did some work on the usb-creator side for nexus7 support, so the installation/flashing should be possible from there soon [16:10] janimo developed a daemon for rotation and ambient light support https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036337.html [16:11] we're still discussing how to move on from here [16:11] (it works fine but x is really slow to update the orientation) [16:12] the most serious issue is still the touch input layer getting confused ... even more in portrait mode [16:12] well, thats all the status i have to give atm [16:12] does anyone else want to speak up [16:12] ? [16:13] hey JanC [16:13] err [16:13] janimo, [16:13] hey [16:13] i just posted a link to the ubuntu-devel mail [16:13] and mentioned your work [16:14] * ogra_ wishes someone from the X team would be around [16:14] i'd really like to hear about the input issues [16:14] I'll have a look myself if no unity/X guy has time [16:15] maybe I find some more clues to pass them [16:15] well, i was told there are fixed upstream, but thats like two months ago [16:15] tjaltoon was supposed to take care for it [16:15] do we still have a top 5 worst bugs list as we had around UDS? === chiluk is now known as chiluk_away [16:15] i think so, yeah [16:15] well, the top one is surely input [16:16] sound still needs a suspend cycle to start working [16:16] but thats an nvidia issue according to diwic [16:16] we still have the panel shadow as black bar ... [16:16] there are more than one input bugs though . One that it stops working, then nautilus double tap, and the relatively new clikcs not working unless in defautl orientation [16:17] and we have 103 open bugs ... some of them start smelling already [16:17] * ogra_ points at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 [16:17] yeah, there is also "never release grab" [16:18] I'd not mark those Q->R dist-upgrade ones Critical unless they happen on fresh raring installs [16:18] nope [16:18] especially BT ones :) [16:19] since qunatal has a hack there [16:20] plars, around ? [16:20] (and updates from the QA side ?) [16:20] s/and/any/ [16:21] or gema or balloons ? [16:22] gema's stateside today, or perhaps traveling back [16:22] k [16:22] I will go through those 103 bugs and see if any needs update/removal :) === chiluk_away is now known as chiluk [16:22] some do, but are assigned to people already, i didnt want to just close them [16:23] at least not without talking to the owner [16:23] in any case it doesnt seem that all the noise i made about this meeting got any of our developers here today ... [16:24] anyone having a suggestion how we can change that ? [16:25] also if anyone from the audience wants to speak up, ask a question or help, feel free [16:25] as for making noise, I read the post on the fridge... [16:25] this is an open meeting for everyione to participate :) [16:26] Shindz, it was on G+ as well and on planet.ubuntu.com and i think someone even re-posted it to facebook [16:28] I saw it on planet.ubuntu.com [16:28] * ogra_ has no idea what other media should have it as well, to get peoples attention [16:28] but i'll happily follow any suggestion for next weeks announcement :) [16:28] may be some some devs don#t go social ... [16:29] hah, yeah [16:29] for the Nexus 7, when could we expect to see a first true tablet experience ? [16:30] some time in 13.10 i guess [16:30] while i'm not nexus7 active ATM, i'm here :) [16:30] in 13.04 all the focus is on the underlying bits (the so called plumbing layer) [16:30] * ogra_ hugs ppisati [16:30] * ppisati hugs back :) [16:31] so dont expect to much from 13.04 wrt tablet UI experience [16:31] focus atm is to cut down everything we can to optimal values ... [16:31] ram usage, space usage, speed etc [16:32] good to know. what is the most difficult task you are facing now ? [16:32] and make all the bits and pieces work (sensor inputs like rotation or GPS etc) [16:32] Shindz, that the devs assigned to tasks dont show up to meetings i guess *g* [16:32] *g* ^^ [16:33] beyond that, see the buglist, as jani and i mentioned, the input layer is super broken still [16:33] yeah I wanted to ask about it [16:33] on a touch device thats not really helpful :) [16:34] well, so i'll take an action to hunt down the missing devs personally during next week and have them show up here [16:34] is bluetooth getting any closer? that would help us test without needing the touchscreen [16:34] not having an Xorg dev here while discussing the input layer wont get us very far [16:35] rrnwexec, well, there is one nonfree bit that we havent decided on yet how to handle it ... [16:35] you could install the brcm bits from the quantal PPA on raring, i think that should make it work [16:35] ok. thanks :) [16:35] (but will make upgardes to the BT stack fail) [16:36] cyphermox, ^^^ [16:36] do you have any info about the BT progress on the nxexus7 ? [16:37] hmm, seemingly not [16:38] probably some words of whats ahead for next week ... [16:38] i'll be working on adding preseeding support to the images for automated testing in the QA testlab [16:39] i'll also be working on the xz compression which needs some massive changes in the image build process and the installer [16:39] once thats in place we can think about building images for flavours (xubuntu, kde-plasma and lubuntu were asked for) [16:40] ogra_, do we now have extra server time to add more flavours? [16:40] if someone is eager to learn how ubiquity works, i think xnox would be grateful for help on the "input in textfields does not work" and "wallpaper is missing" bugs of the installer [16:41] janimo, my re-working of the compression should avoid that [16:41] you mean we could install multiple desktops from a single image? [16:41] janimo, currently the compressing happens on a panda and takes 1/3 of teh build time ... i want to move that part to nusakan [16:41] still, have 3 or 4 nexus flavours seems a lot of work for little gain [16:41] janimo, nope, we will build multiple flavour based images [16:42] anyway not my business [16:42] the xz compression isnt needed for te3h flavours, its needed for being able to re-roll the image during flashing for bigger than 8G devices [16:43] the current one is to big to properly re-pack it, fastboot falls over then [16:43] and the -S option for fastboot doesnt seem to be safe [16:44] (the tarball needs to become smaller for re-packing) [16:45] janimo, adding the flavours is a one line change to the crontab for each flavour [16:45] thats no biggie [16:45] I was under the impression there is little time for extra images hence them being continuously pruned [16:45] making buildtime for them is, but thats fixed by moving the compression which we have to do anyway [16:46] I thought the disappearance of the ac100 is a result of such shortage [16:46] current buildtime is 90min ... [16:46] of server time and developer resources [16:46] 30 of them for gzip [16:46] miving to xz on the panda would double that [16:46] moving the whole compression to nusakan (x86 machine) will make us get rid of that delay [16:47] xz has to happen anyway ... we'll get spare time for flavours for free through it [16:48] disappearance of the ac100 ? [16:48] * ogra_ checks, they should build [16:48] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20130118/ [16:48] still there :) [16:50] anyway, 10min to go ... does anyone have more questions, suggestiones etc ? [16:51] seems not ... [16:51] i'll try to make sure the next meeting is a bit more crowded, if any of you have questions outside of that meeting, we're around in #ubuntu-arm all day ... [16:51] going once [16:51] going twice [16:52] meeting adjourned ! [16:52] #ednmeeting [16:52] bah [16:52] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:52] Meeting ended Fri Jan 18 16:52:14 2013 UTC. [16:52] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-18-16.04.moin.txt [16:52] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-18-16.04.html [16:52] thanks everyone !!! [16:52] thanks [17:13] ogra_: hi, what's up? === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [18:01] Evening all, apologies for last week - was my birthday and wife took me out at last minute [18:02] well happy birthday [18:02] bobweaver - cheers mate === chiluk is now known as chiluk_away [18:05] So who is chairing today? [18:06] hey guys [18:07] mhall119 - hiya!! [18:07] hey mhall119 [18:07] so I know we've been in kind of a holding pattern lately, waiting to see what's coming out way from the desktop team and phone team [18:08] tgm isn't there, but I think he's been working on the MythTV scopes [18:08] @mhall119 - should we do the #meeting thing first? [18:08] CrestedNewt: Error: "mhall119" is not a valid command. [18:09] mhall119 - should we do the #meeting thing first? [18:09] #meeting [18:09] @meeting [18:09] mhall119: Error: "meeting" is not a valid command. [18:09] :( [18:09] :) [18:09] #startmeeting [18:09] Meeting started Fri Jan 18 18:09:34 2013 UTC. The chair is mhall119. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:09] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:09] there we go [18:10] * tgm4883 lost track of time debugging vmware [18:10] and no sooner than you do tgm4883 turns up [18:10] no worries, we just started [18:10] tgm4883: you've been working on MythTV scopes right? [18:10] yes [18:10] #topic MythTV Scopes [18:10] is bobweaver here? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: MythTV Scopes [18:10] y [18:10] ok [18:10] so we want a progress report? [18:10] tgm4883: could you give an update on your progress? [18:10] sure [18:10] :)_ [18:11] 2 scopes [18:11] 1st scope, display content/playback [18:11] I've resolved a bug where i hardcoded in my backend info in one place, somehow I missed it [18:11] so if anyone has been using the playback scope, it should be fixed in bzr now [18:12] I plan on packaging that up this week after a bit more testing [18:12] It displays everything that is recorded and/or in the videos storage group on the mythtv system [18:12] cool [18:12] it also autoconfigures itself [18:12] I plan on putting some options in place for that, but I wanted to discuss with bobweaver about that first [18:13] mostly regarding a config utility and gconf [18:13] my hands are tied [18:13] I have no clue how the phone uses any gio or dee or anything like that [18:13] I would estimate that the playback scope is 95% complete, as I'm sure there are some minor things that need to be done [18:13] yeah, so right now the front-end work really is having to wait to see where the desktop and phone are going [18:14] tgm4883: cool, how about the guide scope? [18:14] Also not sure if I'll need to adapt anything for the different layouts [18:15] tgm4883: the scopes shouldn't care about layout [18:15] Good question [18:15] Also, still waiting on bug #1096708 to be looked at [18:15] bug 1096708 in dee (Ubuntu) "'SharedModel' object has no attribute 'append' using Python 3 on 12.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096708 [18:16] #action mhall119 to follow up on bug #1096708 with libdee developers [18:16] ACTION: mhall119 to follow up on bug #1096708 with libdee developers [18:16] mhall119, true, but for episodic content it might need an additional info from me [18:16] er [18:16] * tgm4883 shrugs [18:16] we'll cross that bridge when we get to it [18:16] tgm4883: that bug you figured out was in the dee GIR packages right? [18:17] yea [18:17] ok [18:17] I've put all the info from my testing in the report [18:17] looks like it just needs a backport [18:17] anyway, scope #2, guide data [18:17] tgm4883: the upcoming scopes API should be finalized soon, I'll get you that info as soon as it's available [18:17] mhall119, awesome,, thanks [18:18] so the guide data scope is still pretty early [18:18] It needs a few things [18:18] 1) Guide lens [18:18] 2) Previews [18:18] Currently it works by using the videos lens. [18:19] It pulls all guide data every 12 hours from the backend [18:19] Searching includes title/subtitle [18:19] there is no searching of description. While I'd like to do that, we need an upstream mythtv change for that to happen [18:19] tgm4883: are you able to test these in your own dash? [18:20] otherwise the guide data pull goes from 20 seconds to 90 minutes [18:20] mhall119, yes, I've been testing this scope in my 12.10 laptop [18:20] using the standard Unity and videos lens [18:20] tgm4883: would you be able to do a short blog post showing off screenshots and/or screencasts? [18:20] mhall119, there really isn't anything great to show off. It would be an extremely early alpha [18:21] since it's using the videos lens, it doesn't look well at all [18:21] I suppose I could do a screencast though [18:21] I think just seeing MythTV results would get people talking though [18:21] ok, I can do that [18:21] thanks [18:21] Is there screencasting software I should use? [18:21] I haven't done it in quite some time [18:21] #action tgm4883 to show off MythTV results in the dash [18:21] ACTION: tgm4883 to show off MythTV results in the dash [18:21] kazam is really nice [18:21] ok [18:22] any other questions for tgm4883 about MythTV scopes? [18:22] n [18:22] not from me [18:22] So for a guide lens, I haven't looked much into it yet [18:22] mostly, IIRC we're waiting on unity changes [18:22] since there isn't a good layout for guide data yet [18:23] tgm4883: yeah, to display a guide in the Dash will require not only API changes, but also a new renderer [18:23] er [18:23] I dont want to talk about that [18:23] I am so frustrated about all that ^^ [18:23] and a new renderer requires UI stuff that it waiting on more info from Canonical [18:23] bobweaver: I know, we should chat in PM later [18:23] yep [18:24] #topic UI work === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: UI work [18:24] But for scopes, I don't have to deal with that at all. It doesn't stop progress on my work until we actually need to do the lens [18:24] tgm4883, what if things are not the same ? [18:24] so like I've said, there's a lot we're currently waiting on that's blocking UI development [18:24] what if 13.10 is not using py like it is now there is alot inthe air [18:24] bobweaver, from a scope POV, it doesn't change that much for me [18:25] there was a product sprint in SanFran this week where the future plans for Unity across all formfactors was a major point of discussion [18:25] all my scopes are python3 [18:25] bobweaver: python scopes are going to be okay, is what I've been told [18:25] yeah well I dont understand what "Unity" is anymore [18:25] I think moving Unity to now use python scopes/lens would be a death blow to unity [18:25] originally they wanted to replace them with compiled scopes, but they decided to get optimizations using another method [18:26] We should have something solid on the API side by the end of this month [18:27] which I *think* is going to support guide data [18:27] it'll still use Dee models, just like current Dash, but will allow custom fields [18:27] I hope so [18:27] as far as ui stuff I have everything on my end on the back burner because of the phone and what not. but that is ok , [18:27] it should all still use dconf for settings too, so either GSettings or whatever the Qt API is for dconf [18:27] qtdee has been ported ? [18:28] mhall119, so we could use any custom field, or should I be telling someone what fields are necessary for guide data [18:28] bobweaver: I'll double check on that [18:28] #action mhall119 to check on availability of qtdee [18:28] ACTION: mhall119 to check on availability of qtdee [18:28] that is what unity 2d was using [18:29] mhall119, I dont know if that is a big deal untill I see the backend QT/c++ code that is for phone [18:29] tgm4883: there will be the current regular fields, but you can then define your own "Schema" on top of that with additional fields [18:29] mhall119, ok [18:29] the shared lib for unity and it's plugins [18:29] qt ^^ [18:29] mhall119, because I'd hate for them to think of only a few fields and for us to need more [18:29] so we would decide on what data we need for a Guide, make that our schema, and build scopes that provide it [18:30] mhall119, I've talked about what we need for guide data previously [18:30] IDK if it's written down anywhere though [18:30] tgm4883: that's ok, since it won't be baked-in, we can make it and change it as we go until we're happy with it [18:30] ok [18:31] anyway, all that should be done and public by the end of the month, or so I'm told [18:31] for the rest of the Dash, we're waiting to hear how all of the different codebases are going to be merged together [18:32] desktop, TV and phone [18:32] which will tell us what technology to use where [18:32] bobweaver is currently blocked on that [18:32] and I'm working to get him unblocked [18:32] so, that's all I've got on the UI topic, any questions? [18:33] nope [18:33] nope any questions for me ? [18:33] not from me [18:33] cool [18:33] nope, sounds like we're waiting on upstream [18:33] nothing for bobveaver wither [18:33] *either [18:34] any other topics to discuss? [18:34] I won't be around next week but I don't add that much atm [18:34] CrestedNewt: no worries [18:34] I dont have anything else to add atm [18:35] I made a mockup wiht the phone sdk stuff last night [18:35] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:35] Meeting ended Fri Jan 18 18:35:12 2013 UTC. 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[18:35] app that is Ubuntu tv [18:35] or like a frame work [18:35] so that it is ready for implanting [18:37] soon we will all have everything that we need . exciting times :) have a good one everyone [18:37] let's head back to #ubuntu-tv, then you can share links :) [18:37] good stuff bobweaver - catch you in a couple of weeks === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === james_w` is now known as james_w === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === chiluk_away is now known as chiluk === chiluk is now known as chiluk_away === chiluk_away is now known as chiluk [20:43] the Nexus 7 discussion will happen within 10 minutes, is that it? === chiluk is now known as chiluk_away [21:07] so... [21:08] oh... 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