| ubu | bernz, "df -h" used is 52K and use% is 6% | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| bernz | anyway, i think David-A is on the right track... you're probably almost out of space on your /tmp volume (you can see where it's mounted with "cat /etc/mtab") | 00:00 |
| bernz | ah | 00:00 |
| bernz | maybe it's a very tiny volume, if 52K represents 6% of the volume! :-D | 00:00 |
| ubu | i see these 2 lines when i do "cat /etc/mtab" | 00:02 |
| ubu | tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755 0 0 | 00:02 |
| ubu | overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,size=1048576,mode=1777 0 0 | 00:02 |
| ubu | i've ran updates before that requires 100s of MB with no problem...everything was working great until now | 00:03 |
| bernz | hmm, okay, it's a tmpfs system, and we can't see the size that way as it's only a percentage | 00:04 |
| bernz | oh, wait, when you do "df -h", what size is the tmpfs volume? | 00:05 |
| bernz | (mine is, for example, listed as "741M") | 00:05 |
| ubu | the only tmpfs line i see is... | 00:06 |
| ubu | tmpfs 812000 968 811032 1% /run | 00:06 |
| bernz | ah yes | 00:06 |
| bernz | your tmpfs is only 812Ko! | 00:06 |
| bernz | ish | 00:06 |
| David-A | ubu: i suspect you have /tmp in a ram-filesystem, and only allow it 1MB (52k/6% is almost 1MB). what kind of computer you have? how much ram? how did you install xubuntu? | 00:07 |
| bernz | it's mostly empty, but still tiny... did installing or running something cause its definition to change? | 00:07 |
| bernz | (oh yes... i've been assuming an installed system, not a "live session") | 00:08 |
| ubu | 812 kilobytes? then how was i able to download updates that are 100s of megabytes in the past? | 00:08 |
| bernz | it might have been larger in the past | 00:08 |
| bernz | its size is defined somewhere, and that is modifiable, but system updates, malware, user error, etc, if your permissions are sufficiently lax | 00:09 |
| bernz | but -> by | 00:09 |
| ubu | yes, it's an installed system..i did not knowing do anything to cause the size to change | 00:09 |
| ubu | so how do i fix this without having to reinstall the system? | 00:10 |
| bernz | well, i'm not super good at these details, but... is your whole system installed on a single volume ("partition")? if so, what's its size? is 812000 about 10% of the volume's size? | 00:11 |
| David-A | ubu: we don't know what has gone wrong yet. how much ram do you have? | 00:11 |
| bernz | David-A, perhaps we should find where "/" is mounted, and see if it's an actual disk or not? | 00:12 |
| bernz | oh, sorry, David-A, i see where you're going with this | 00:13 |
| ubu | i have 4GB ram | 00:13 |
| bernz | the percentage (10%) represents 10% of your RAM | 00:14 |
| David-A | ubu: can you paste the entire output of "df -h" to a paste bin site and post a link to it here? | 00:14 |
| ubu | how do i do that, bin site | 00:14 |
| David-A | !pastebin | 00:14 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 00:14 |
| David-A | ubu: go to http://paste.ubuntu.com and copy paste from terminal to there. OR. run the command "df -h | pastebinit" (without quotes) and copy the resulting url in this chat. | 00:16 |
| ubu | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543096/ | 00:17 |
| David-A | ubu: your /tmp is a separate device, and I don't know what an "overflow" device is, but I can google. wait | 00:19 |
| recon_lap | ubu: have you checked for CD's or USB sticks in your computer? but look like /tmp is mounted on a really small partition | 00:24 |
| David-A | ubu: you are not the only one having had this problem :). have you changed your /etc/fstab manually lately? can you paste bin it? | 00:24 |
| ubu | no CD's or USB sticks...i have never touched /etc/fstab | 00:25 |
| ubu | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543116/ | 00:27 |
| bernz | found some claims that 'overflow' is mounted instead of your normal tmp mount if normal tmp is too full... from your "df -h", it looks like they are both mostly empty now, but maybe /tmp got cleared after overflow was already mounted. this means ensuring they are both mostly empty, and then rebooting, could fix you (at least) | 00:27 |
| bernz | (at least for now) | 00:27 |
| bernz | (from here: http://blog.cone.be/2009/08/31/overflow-tmpfs-on-tmp/ ) | 00:28 |
| David-A | the Internets suggests an "overflow" device is automatically created for /tmp when the disk is full. I think the real problem is the 99% fullness of "/" (a few % is reserved for root so that may be this happen slightly before 100%) | 00:29 |
| bernz | yeah, David-A, that makes sense | 00:29 |
| David-A | ubu: ^^ | 00:30 |
| ubu | i will free up some more space and reboot...thanks | 00:31 |
| David-A | ubu: try free some space with "sudo apt-get clean" or "sudo apt-get autoclean" | 00:31 |
| ubu | ran both apt-get's...freeing up disk space and will reboot..thanks again | 00:33 |
| recon_lap | ubu reboot? | 00:33 |
| bernz | probably don't need to reboot, as David-A pointed out that overflow is managed automatically | 00:34 |
| David-A | ubu: your /home/ubu is exactly like /, and it is not in /etc/fstab. i suspect that you have encryption. it's alright with me, but I dont know much about it. | 00:35 |
| ubu | u r correct, the hard drive is encrypted | 00:36 |
| David-A | ubu: anyway, if so, freeing up space (removing unneeded files) in /home/ubu can be a good idea. | 00:36 |
| David-A | ubu: there is a tool "fdupes" that can find copies of files if you suspect you have multiple copies of videos and such laying around | 00:38 |
| ubu | rebooting...thanks again | 00:39 |
| David-A | ubu: all good? | 00:53 |
| ubu | system is back to normal, i can run update now...thanks you guys, much appreciate it | 00:53 |
| David-A | ubu: do you know about Disk Usage Analyzer? (to find dirs with large files you'd forgot about) (command "du -k | sort -n" is about the same thing) | 00:55 |
| ubu | DUA is in the software center? | 00:56 |
| David-A | ubu: should be. isn't it installed already? | 00:57 |
| ubu | it's not installed...i'll look into it.. thanks for all your help | 00:58 |
| David-A | ubu: for me (lucid 10.04) it is in package gnome-utils | 00:59 |
| ncm | does anyone know how to set up a sub domain in apache2? | 02:27 |
| acegiak | Hey guys, I'm using the xubuntu live cd and I can't mount any disks using the gui and when I mount them in terminal they're all read only? | 03:09 |
| acegiak | any help? I just want to back up my home directory before installing | 03:09 |
| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| holstein | acegiak: did you get sorted? | 04:05 |
| acegiak | holstein, i didnt solve it but i worked around it | 04:19 |
| holstein | cool.. i would just sudo mv what i want... or gksudo open a filemanager.. | 04:19 |
| Unit193 | Or mount with -o uid=999,gid=999 If I remember, live has that as UID and GID. | 04:20 |
| holstein | Unit193: cool... i havent used that | 04:21 |
| Unit193 | Pretty handy, syntax is slightly different for fstab. | 04:22 |
| xubuntu813 | xubuntu | 04:32 |
| xubuntu813 | pwd | 04:32 |
| knome | hello. | 04:32 |
| acegiak | Unit193: Yeah I'd get an error doing that, and an IO error on trying to sudo mv | 04:34 |
| Unit193 | Oh nice. :P | 04:35 |
| kharnov | hello, question. is there a repository for the more recent versions of the proprietary radeon driver? the one in the xubuntu repos is out of date | 05:31 |
| well_laid_lawn | this might have a clue | 05:33 |
| well_laid_lawn | !ati | 05:33 |
| ubottu | For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto | 05:33 |
| kharnov | ah, okay, thanks | 05:35 |
| kharnov | one more thing: is there a way to get a more recent version of the kernel than the one already present in the repositories? | 05:35 |
| well_laid_lawn | you can build it yourself or search for a ppa | 05:36 |
| well_laid_lawn | check the backports too | 05:36 |
| kharnov | are you aware of any particularly good PPAs? | 05:36 |
| kharnov | there's quite a few of them and some look dodgy | 05:36 |
| well_laid_lawn | not offhand I just build stuff I want myself | 05:37 |
| well_laid_lawn | !ppa | 05:37 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge | 05:37 |
| well_laid_lawn | there's a link there ^ | 05:37 |
| kharnov | maybe i should consider compiling the kernel myself | 05:38 |
| kharnov | how safe is it to use backports? | 05:39 |
| well_laid_lawn | backports should be fine | 05:39 |
| well_laid_lawn | it's not hard to build a kernel - just takes a little bit of practise | 05:39 |
| well_laid_lawn | !compile | 05:39 |
| kharnov | hm, odd | 05:39 |
| ubottu | Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first). Also read !checkinstall | 05:39 |
| kharnov | i already have backports enabled | 05:39 |
| kharnov | it's proposed that isn't enabled | 05:39 |
| well_laid_lawn | there might not be a backported kernel yet | 05:40 |
| Lump|AFK | well looks like I got 10.04 to submit to the G5 but upgrading to 12.04 I get an invalid image error | 05:45 |
| Lump|AFK | such is and so be it | 05:45 |
| well_laid_lawn | you are typing and have afk in your nick | 05:46 |
| well_laid_lawn | ;) | 05:47 |
| bjr222 | has anyone tried running xubuntu on an android phone? | 06:35 |
| bjr222 | anyone here? | 06:36 |
| knome | !patience | 06:37 |
| ubottu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ | 06:37 |
| knome | well, you waited for a minute... | 06:37 |
| knome | and i suppose not, because it's not supposed to work. | 06:37 |
| bjr222 | holy cow. im sorry | 06:38 |
| xubuntu178 | Hi, I am about to install xubuntu on an old desktop with AMD Athlon 2000. Which CD should I downloead? My guess is that amd54 but I am not sure. | 09:34 |
| TheSheep | xubuntu178: i386 | 09:38 |
| xubuntu178 | TheSheep: Thanks | 09:38 |
| TheSheep | xubuntu178: because it's a 32 bit processor, not 64 bit | 09:38 |
| Ronalds_M | gbrainy doesn't seem to change language in xubuntu | 09:40 |
| Ronalds_M | anybody knows how to change it? | 09:40 |
| TheSheep | Ronalds_M: settings manager -> lanuguage support to install the languages you need, and choose your language at the login screen | 09:43 |
| Ronalds_M | I have installed | 09:43 |
| Ronalds_M | I restarted pc | 09:43 |
| Ronalds_M | and it's changed | 09:43 |
| Ronalds_M | I even removed gbrainy completely with synaptic | 09:44 |
| Ronalds_M | and installed again | 09:44 |
| TheSheep | no idea what gbrainy is, sorry, I thought you are asking how to change language in xubuntu | 09:44 |
| Ronalds_M | it's an app, that has great language support, but I can't get it to change the language | 09:45 |
| Ronalds_M | I read that it should change it if I change the defaults | 09:46 |
| Ronalds_M | but nothing happened | 09:46 |
| zoktar | i need to reinstall(and purge) all apport related packages and dependancys. can that be done via aptitude --purge reinstall , in some way?. | 14:20 |
| === azeaml is now known as azeam | ||
| recon_lap | zoktar: apt-get remove <package> will un-install a package but leave all of it's configuration files in place. If you re-install the package later all your settings will still be intact. apt-get purge <package> does the same as above but also removes all of the configuration files. | 14:59 |
| zoktar | yeah i was looking for a way to multilevel dependancy reinstallation thingy with aptitude. | 15:01 |
| zoktar | aptitude reinstall can reinstall stuff without getting dep issues | 15:01 |
| zoktar | was hoping to get it to follow the packages that are beeing reinstalled's dependancys and do the same for them untill all are met. | 15:02 |
| recon_lap | zoktar: does apt-get not do that? | 15:02 |
| zoktar | the reinstall command is unique to aptitude as far as i know | 15:03 |
| === nyRednek is now known as Barfolomew | ||
| zoktar | gets around the "dep issues" when you want to just reinstall something | 15:04 |
| zoktar | usefull with --purge aswel to get fresh cfg files | 15:05 |
| recon_lap | zoktar: well not something I've ever needed, so best of look getting it sorted :) got to go so good luck | 15:06 |
| lumpX | heyas | 16:09 |
| lumpX | any one here know much about apple G5 sound in xubuntu | 16:10 |
| * lumpX can't seem to record anything atm | 16:10 | |
| TheSheep | G5 is ppc? | 16:10 |
| lumpX | yeah | 16:10 |
| TheSheep | !ppc | 16:10 |
| ubottu | PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ | 16:10 |
| TheSheep | there is #ubuntu-ppc | 16:11 |
| TheSheep | they may be able to help | 16:11 |
| lumpX | i have managed to get xubuntu 10.04 running on it | 16:11 |
| TheSheep | we are all Intel here | 16:11 |
| holstein | !sound too | 16:11 |
| holstein | !audio | 16:11 |
| ubottu | If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. | 16:11 |
| holstein | should be similar | 16:11 |
| lumpX | but when ever I try and record, i get a crackle pop through the headphones and speakers and then nothin | 16:11 |
| holstein | alsa versions matter.. kernels too | 16:12 |
| holstein | i gave up on running a desktop on my ppc hardware years ago | 16:12 |
| lumpX | thanks holstein, i will look those links over | 16:13 |
| lumpX | and, yeah, it does seem a tad of a challenge to get nix on this old beast | 16:13 |
| lumpX | but now that it is installed, it does seem really fast compared to my other even more ancient hardware | 16:14 |
| holstein | i found it underwhelming.. and these days, when i can dig PC hardware of that vintage literally out of the trash, i tend to just go with what works | 16:15 |
| lumpX | well this one was basically such, traded an external drive for it | 16:16 |
| lumpX | so under 100$ | 16:16 |
| holstein | thats how i got the G3 and G4 i used to play with.. i would expect support to get worse, not better | 16:16 |
| lumpX | i agree with you there but, for now, this is a hardware upgrade for my under employed butt | 16:18 |
| lumpX | and, worse case, (no recording) it will still make a great post production machine | 16:19 |
| lumpX | so nothing shows up with the "lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"" command | 16:22 |
| lumpX | but I can see sound cards and such in the mixer | 16:23 |
| holstein | try aplay -l | 16:24 |
| lumpX | all kinds of drivers show up for that command | 16:24 |
| lumpX | i am doing a purge and reinstall | 16:24 |
| lumpX | i might have borked it installing jack | 16:25 |
| lumpX | i wanted to see if the ppc would do realtime | 16:25 |
| lumpX | and it did not like it when i tried to run jack | 16:25 |
| lumpX | ntl, i will figure it out cause you guys are all brilliant and awesome | 16:26 |
| holstein | lumpX: i would not expect JACK to work well | 16:27 |
| holstein | lumpX: we dont make a kernel for PPC | 16:27 |
| holstein | lumpX: if you are getting crack/pops with JACK, relax the settings... set the latency *very* high | 16:27 |
| holstein | lumpX: try recording without jack.. with just pulse | 16:27 |
| lumpX | i have tried with and without pulse | 16:29 |
| lumpX | i usually exorcise pulse on my machines | 16:29 |
| lumpX | i have tried it with and with out pulse on this machine | 16:29 |
| holstein | lumpX: i said withouth *jack* | 16:30 |
| holstein | without* | 16:30 |
| holstein | lumpX: try without jack | 16:30 |
| lumpX | i will holstein I dunno if i will have time before they finish loading my truck | 16:30 |
| holstein | lumpX: ? | 16:30 |
| * lumpX hears the truck idling in the shop below | 16:30 | |
| * lumpX is about to make a delivery run | 16:31 | |
| holstein | lumpX: well, feel free to come here whenever you want to solve you issues and one of the volunteers will help :) | 16:31 |
| lumpX | dropping off some stuff and picking up some stuff at an auction | 16:31 |
| holstein | lumpX: i say you are pushing JACK to hard.. and not having realistic expectations | 16:31 |
| lumpX | i know that holstein, you guys are really very helpful and i appreciate it | 16:32 |
| lumpX | i was rather doubtful about jack on this machine | 16:32 |
| holstein | i would remove JACK from the equation and simply record something | 16:32 |
| lumpX | as you said no ppc support | 16:32 |
| holstein | lumpX: JACK in pcc is going to be sketchy | 16:32 |
| lumpX | i will try that | 16:32 |
| holstein | lumpX: we dont have the lowlatency kernel for PPC | 16:32 |
| lumpX | can idjc work without jack? | 16:32 |
| holstein | lumpX: no one has ppc support anymore | 16:32 |
| holstein | lumpX: you dont need low latency to use idjc | 16:33 |
| holstein | lumpX: i would set the JACK settings *really* relaxed..and really high latency.. 90+ms and test | 16:33 |
| lumpX | yeah but will it work without jack | 16:33 |
| lumpX | i never tried it without jack | 16:33 |
| holstein | lumpX: i dont know... but that is not going to be a deal breaker anyway | 16:33 |
| lumpX | nope it won't | 16:34 |
| lumpX | jack is a required | 16:35 |
| lerner222 | can anyone provide a link or instruct me on how to install applications. such as uTorrent and whatever else i might use? im new to linux file systems and im not understanding how to install executable applications. | 16:35 |
| lumpX | so looks like this is a post production box | 16:35 |
| lumpX | and tweaking it just got a whole lot simpler | 16:35 |
| holstein | lerner222: most software comes from the official repos | 16:35 |
| lumpX | thanks holstein | 16:35 |
| holstein | lerner222: if its a package someone else is providing, the usually have instructions | 16:36 |
| holstein | lerner222: there really is not, and cant be a definitive "how to install" for everything, since these cases are very specific to both the developer, and to the end users | 16:36 |
| lumpX | you all have a great day | 16:36 |
| holstein | lerner222: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware | 16:36 |
| lumpX | ttyl | 16:36 |
| lerner222 | holstein: uTorrent website has a linux version. i downloaded and the files are in foldlers, but i dont know how to make it execute | 16:36 |
| * lumpX waves | 16:36 | |
| holstein | lerner222: typically, i open a package manager, such as synaptic or the software center, and i search and i install | 16:37 |
| holstein | if what i want is not there, i search for a ppa | 16:37 |
| holstein | !ppa | 16:37 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge | 16:37 |
| lerner222 | ok, thanks for the help | 16:37 |
| lerner222 | you guys are much more kind and understanding then the population at 1am. | 16:38 |
| holstein | if i dont find one, i might search for a .deb at the developers site.. then i search for how the developer expects me to install | 16:38 |
| holstein | lerner222: some sites have specific install instructions for ubuntu, or .deb's right there | 16:38 |
| lerner222 | so .deb is the common extension needed for executables then? | 16:39 |
| holstein | lerner222: i think you are looking for a equivalent to .exe in windows, and its not really that but similar | 16:40 |
| lerner222 | ya, gotchya. thanks again. can you tell i came from windows? :) | 16:40 |
| torax | lerner222: just asking, why do you want to use utorrent? | 16:41 |
| holstein | lerner222: i would also remember why you are using utorrent.. its what you used in windows | 16:41 |
| holstein | maybe just try a native tool in ubuntu | 16:41 |
| lerner222 | its always a default program i like to have for just about anything | 16:41 |
| holstein | http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=108146 | 16:41 |
| holstein | lerner222: you can always open the software center and search "torrent" and find what is available by default | 16:42 |
| holstein | lerner222: i would try and relax a bit, and remeber that the first week you were using and getting used to using windows, you were not running utorrent | 16:42 |
| lerner222 | good deal. its gonna be hard getting away from the default things im used to. i will probably be here finding ways. or searching the SC a lot | 16:43 |
| lerner222 | ture | 16:43 |
| lerner222 | *true | 16:43 |
| torax | lerner222: There is nothing wrong about using utorrent, but there are lot better alternatives, transmission for example. utorrent, at least the windows version, contains adware and possibly spyware | 16:43 |
| holstein | lerner222: you should see me on a windows box... | 16:43 |
| holstein | tranmission is very nice.. i like the web server setup | 16:44 |
| lerner222 | lol | 16:44 |
| lerner222 | transmission can be found in SC? | 16:44 |
| torax | yes | 16:44 |
| torax | actually it should be installed by default | 16:44 |
| holstein | lerner222: you can manager downloads or uploads in tranmission from a web browser on another machine.. very nice | 16:44 |
| holstein | torax: if you download and click on a torrent, doesnt it just offer to run transmission? | 16:45 |
| lerner222 | very nice. can it be used remotely to find and begin downloads as well? | 16:45 |
| lerner222 | ignore that, u just answered it | 16:45 |
| lerner222 | im so unfamiliar with application names and what they do that xubuntu has transmission loaded stock on my version | 16:47 |
| holstein | lerner222: no worries.. again, remember how long it was til you found and used "disk defrag" in windows | 16:48 |
| torax | It is everybodys own business what software they use. I have trust issues with software that install toolbars and ads without asking. Im the guy with tinfoil hat but I dont want to push my "ideology" to others =) | 16:48 |
| lerner222 | so long that it took a week for it to defrag lol | 16:48 |
| torax | Its a new system, takes some time to get used to it | 16:48 |
| torax | the way linux works differes from windows quite a lot, but in the end it is way more logical | 16:49 |
| lerner222 | im getting that. i think i've been brainwashed by windows | 16:49 |
| holstein | yup... also, test things live lerner222 ... as much as possible.. throw in the live CD and break that live setup.. reboot, and nothing is broken | 16:50 |
| lerner222 | good point | 16:50 |
| holstein | lerner222: make a user called "test" and try configuring things there first (that a good tip for windows too) | 16:50 |
| lerner222 | do you have any experience running ubuntu or similar on android phone? | 16:50 |
| holstein | lerner222: run an instance in virtualbox and test install things.. test upgrades.. whatever | 16:51 |
| holstein | lerner222: i have only used android on android phones so far.. | 16:51 |
| lerner222 | im excited to see the "ubuntu for android" official mobile OS | 16:52 |
| lerner222 | anticipation sucks | 16:52 |
| lerner222 | do u know of a way to enable my "disable touchpad" option? i use a BT mouse and always brush the pad w/ my thumbs and its SO annoying | 16:53 |
| lerner222 | found it, nevermind. thanks again for the info. much abliged | 16:54 |
| holstein | lerner222: cheers! | 16:55 |
| norbert79 | good evening | 17:09 |
| norbert79 | No idea if you have ever bumped into this, but after installing Xubuntu 12.10 to encrypted FS and LVM after the successful install it won't boot | 17:09 |
| norbert79 | it just gets stuck and drops me to initramfs | 17:10 |
| norbert79 | making a remark that my lvm doesn't exist and can't start, drops me to a shell | 17:10 |
| norbert79 | anyone any ideas what I might missing | 17:10 |
| norbert79 | the method for installing is : /boot seperate, unencrypted. targets are: 1 encrypted volume , inside 1 VG with 3 LV's: /home / and swap | 17:12 |
| norbert79 | it's12.10 amd64 | 17:13 |
| holstein | norbert79: i have seen that when i had bad hardware | 17:18 |
| norbert79 | holstein: Would wonder me as it's a brand new laptop | 17:18 |
| norbert79 | with a fully working HDD | 17:19 |
| norbert79 | so we can exclude hardware failure | 17:19 |
| vitimiti | o/ | 17:19 |
| holstein | norbert79: is it?.. new hard drives are able to fail too.. they all will | 17:21 |
| norbert79 | holstein: Yes, it is working well. | 17:21 |
| holstein | norbert79: you can exclude the hardware failure when you like, but i test, then exlude personally | 17:21 |
| holstein | norbert79: we hardware is *often* bad | 17:21 |
| norbert79 | Skip on tha hardware part, will you? I can guarantee you it's working | 17:22 |
| holstein | norbert79: nope.. but maybe one of the other volunteers can help you, and "assume" you tested the hardware | 17:22 |
| norbert79 | You aren't really helping here | 17:22 |
| holstein | otherwise, you can look into the iso download | 17:22 |
| holstein | !md5 | 17:22 |
| ubottu | To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 17:22 |
| norbert79 | Did | 17:22 |
| holstein | or grub | 17:22 |
| holstein | !grub | 17:22 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 17:22 |
| norbert79 | why don't you test it yourself? | 17:23 |
| norbert79 | With a VM | 17:23 |
| norbert79 | it seems the installer itself is faulty | 17:23 |
| holstein | norbert79: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD you can try the minimal iso's and see if you can get an install booting as you want and add what you like | 17:23 |
| norbert79 | holstein: Sorry, but you are treating me like a rookie, sorry, not your regular user here | 17:24 |
| norbert79 | Check the installer, it goes into a fault after a luks+lvm install | 17:24 |
| norbert79 | after the first reboot | 17:24 |
| holstein | norbert79: cool.. good luck.. i ned to run.. enjoy! | 17:24 |
| bazhang | norbert79, lose the attitude | 17:24 |
| holstein | need* | 17:24 |
| norbert79 | bazhang: really? is this really a support? | 17:24 |
| norbert79 | bazhang: I don't think so | 17:24 |
| bazhang | norbert79, its volunteer. | 17:24 |
| norbert79 | Yeah, I can see that | 17:25 |
| holstein | norbert79: im on my way out the door, but im sure someone can help you.. or, i will be glad to help you more and actually try the iso you tried in VM later | 17:25 |
| bazhang | so enough with the complaints/accusations | 17:25 |
| norbert79 | holstein: The issue is that I wouldn't ask if I would know the answer and I need to deliver | 17:25 |
| norbert79 | otherwise i wouldn't be here | 17:25 |
| holstein | norbert79: i might go for a simpler setup, or try the minimal iso's i linked to get setup from a different installer (if you would ike to take the installer out of the euquation) | 17:26 |
| norbert79 | chrooting doesn't help either, everything seems fine, it's like luks would be misssing from the initramfs | 17:26 |
| holstein | norbert79: but, i must leave.. i have to drive across town, and i oppoligize for anything that i have done or am doing that you are finding offensive | 17:27 |
| holstein | norbert79: you can also try the installer specific support channels, or main ubuntu.. since this should be not specific to xubuntu | 17:28 |
| norbert79 | holstein: unfortuantely it seems it is, regular Ubuntu works, but Xubuntu is the way the client wants to go | 17:28 |
| norbert79 | Which i can understand | 17:28 |
| norbert79 | but since specific settings are necessary which Xubuntu can handle during install | 17:28 |
| norbert79 | but not after reboot | 17:28 |
| norbert79 | makes me wonder | 17:29 |
| holstein | norbert79: then install, and *then* install xfce, or xubuntu-desktop | 17:29 |
| holstein | xubuntu is ubuntu | 17:29 |
| norbert79 | not really in the mood for cleaning up the mess | 17:29 |
| holstein | then try the minimal and add what you like | 17:29 |
| norbert79 | apt-get purge hell is not really something I wish to do :9 | 17:29 |
| norbert79 | minimal, well, I could try, still, it's very weird | 17:29 |
| norbert79 | Question: Why does the installer remove ecryptfs-utils after the install and can it cause the system not booting properly? I mean it's not even asking for the LUKS password for my volumes | 17:39 |
| norbert79 | Plymouth gets just stuck | 17:39 |
| tmewett | hey | 18:29 |
| tmewett | is there anywhere i can find a list of the pre-installed apps shipped with xubuntu? | 18:29 |
| tmewett | no? | 18:31 |
| skellat | tmewett: Hold on a sec | 18:32 |
| skellat | tmewett: Which version were you thinking of? | 18:32 |
| tmewett | the latest, preferably | 18:32 |
| tmewett | i am indecisive about which linux distro to switch to | 18:33 |
| tmewett | this would help greatly | 18:33 |
| skellat | Where are you currently now? | 18:33 |
| skellat | In terms of distro, that is | 18:33 |
| tmewett | i'm running windows right now, if that's what you mean | 18:33 |
| skellat | Okay | 18:34 |
| tmewett | but currently i am thinking of either xubuntu or lubuntu | 18:34 |
| skellat | What apps in particular are you focused on? | 18:34 |
| skellat | Alrighty, here's the page for Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/tour/ and here's the page for Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications | 18:36 |
| recon_lap | tmewett: make a live usb and try them out | 18:37 |
| norbert79 | be reminded, that these come out-of-the-box, you can also add any other application through the software center | 18:37 |
| tmewett | yes, i am aware of that | 18:37 |
| skellat | On any fresh install I usually toss Abiword and Gnumeric for LibreOffice instead | 18:37 |
| tmewett | ok | 18:38 |
| tmewett | and, any words on Xfce as a DM? | 18:38 |
| norbert79 | Xubuntu is XFCE | 18:38 |
| tmewett | or should i just live boot? ^-^ | 18:38 |
| norbert79 | yeah, easier | 18:38 |
| tmewett | haha, fair enough | 18:38 |
| skellat | I use Xfce and my parents use LXDE. Xfce is great and I enjoy using it. | 18:39 |
| norbert79 | make up your own mind by taking a look | 18:39 |
| tmewett | ok, well thanks for the help guys | 18:39 |
| norbert79 | I use XFCE as Mate isn't that perfect yet, and still comes close as Gnome2 alternative | 18:39 |
| skellat | tmewett: You're welcome. Have a great day | 18:39 |
| tmewett | likewise :) | 18:40 |
| SnoStorm | Can anyone help with a startup issue? | 19:00 |
| SnoStorm | I have 12.04 and it is getting stuck right after "checking battery state" | 19:01 |
| SnoStorm | battery state is okay and then just stops there | 19:01 |
| norbert79 | SnoStorm: Did you try using the lappy from regular power supply? | 19:03 |
| norbert79 | try doing that, if it gets stuck again, then it's not something related to your battery | 19:04 |
| SnoStorm | trying right now...... | 19:05 |
| SnoStorm | Still stops.... | 19:06 |
| norbert79 | well, we can exclude that at least | 19:06 |
| norbert79 | did you try checking for filesystem errors? | 19:06 |
| SnoStorm | any help with that... pretty noob with anything linux and its the only thing that fits on this | 19:07 |
| norbert79 | well, I assume you have a working PC otherwise you won't be online | 19:07 |
| SnoStorm | yes | 19:07 |
| norbert79 | so basically your system won't boot at all | 19:08 |
| SnoStorm | correct | 19:08 |
| norbert79 | does your system have encrypted filesystems or did you install it as regular? | 19:08 |
| SnoStorm | regular | 19:08 |
| norbert79 | What OS do you use atm? | 19:08 |
| SnoStorm | xubuntu 12.04 | 19:09 |
| norbert79 | No, on your working PC | 19:09 |
| SnoStorm | oh windows 7 | 19:09 |
| norbert79 | I assume you could create a Live USB | 19:09 |
| norbert79 | otherwise you won't have ubuntu installed | 19:09 |
| norbert79 | xubuntu | 19:09 |
| SnoStorm | yeah or i have it on a cd | 19:09 |
| norbert79 | nice, you should boot that as start | 19:09 |
| norbert79 | we will need it for the fs check | 19:10 |
| SnoStorm | okay its all loaded up | 19:10 |
| SnoStorm | check disk for defects? | 19:10 |
| norbert79 | You can do that, no idea if it checks the CD-ROM itself or the hard drives too | 19:11 |
| norbert79 | I would skip that though | 19:11 |
| norbert79 | the lappy has the Xubuntu installed only, right? | 19:11 |
| SnoStorm | already ran it lol...... shouldn't take long i think it was for the disc and not the hard disk | 19:11 |
| SnoStorm | alright | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | yes only xubuntu | 19:13 |
| norbert79 | ok, start the live | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | it doesn't have live | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | it has | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | install | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | check disc | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | test memory | 19:13 |
| SnoStorm | boot from first hard disk | 19:14 |
| norbert79 | You are using the alternate installer... eh, damn | 19:14 |
| SnoStorm | or rescue a broken system | 19:14 |
| SnoStorm | yeah i only have a 4gb hard drive in this little thing | 19:14 |
| SnoStorm | ssd | 19:14 |
| norbert79 | the easiest way would be using a Live CD with terminal | 19:14 |
| norbert79 | like Systemrescuecd or anything small | 19:14 |
| norbert79 | or you could install Xubuntu live to a pendrive using unetbootin | 19:15 |
| norbert79 | unetbootin.sf.net | 19:15 |
| SnoStorm | what if i try the rescue a broken system option | 19:15 |
| norbert79 | go for it, never used it :) | 19:15 |
| SnoStorm | I think this happened with some other distros but i forgot how i fixed it | 19:19 |
| SnoStorm | but it always seemed like after i installed updates | 19:19 |
| norbert79 | interesting | 19:19 |
| SnoStorm | alright i got to a menu with a lot of options | 19:20 |
| SnoStorm | "choose the next step in the install process" | 19:21 |
| SnoStorm | one of them is "install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" | 19:21 |
| SnoStorm | trying to find relevant ones | 19:21 |
| norbert79 | use check filesystem | 19:21 |
| SnoStorm | not an option | 19:22 |
| norbert79 | open a terminal? | 19:22 |
| SnoStorm | nope | 19:23 |
| SnoStorm | there is a continue with rescue | 19:23 |
| SnoStorm | and then that asks me which device to use as a root file system | 19:24 |
| SnoStorm | sda1, sda2, sda5, assemble RAID arrray, do not use a root file system | 19:25 |
| SnoStorm | any of those options? | 19:26 |
| norbert79 | sda1 probably, not sure | 19:26 |
| SnoStorm | i think thats what my root system was on.... | 19:27 |
| SnoStorm | execute a shell in /dev/sda1, execute a shell in the installer environment, reinstall GRUB boot loader | 19:28 |
| norbert79 | second | 19:28 |
| SnoStorm | installer environment? | 19:29 |
| norbert79 | yes | 19:29 |
| SnoStorm | okay | 19:29 |
| SnoStorm | gives me a prompt | 19:29 |
| SnoStorm | Busybox v1.18.5 enter "help" for a list of built in commands | 19:30 |
| norbert79 | "mount" | 19:30 |
| norbert79 | check if any /dev/sda is mounted | 19:30 |
| SnoStorm | sda1 on /target type ext4 | 19:31 |
| norbert79 | umount /dev/sda1 | 19:31 |
| norbert79 | fsck /dev/sda* | 19:32 |
| SnoStorm | device is busy | 19:34 |
| norbert79 | did you umount it? | 19:36 |
| SnoStorm | thats what happens when i umount | 19:36 |
| SnoStorm | Should I just reinstall? | 19:38 |
| SnoStorm | i'm reading a lot has to do with video drivers | 19:38 |
| SnoStorm | and nvidia updating with update manager | 19:38 |
| SnoStorm | but i'm pretty sure i don't have any nvidia gpus | 19:38 |
| SnoStorm | is there any way to boot without graphics drivers? | 19:48 |
| SnoStorm | I can get into the recovery menu but when I go to umount or anything it says the the file system is read only | 19:52 |
| SnoStorm | nobert79 i fixed it by removing one of the programs I installed this morning | 20:18 |
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| vitimiti | hallo | 20:50 |
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| Goliat | Hi! I'm having some trouble with the audio on my laptop. My volume controls are stuck on my hdmi output and i can't change it to my speakers. So I have to adjust the volume in pulseaudio at the moment. I've tried to change it but pulseaudio seems to be stubborn on my laptop. | 21:13 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: have you changed "configuration" in sound settings | 21:25 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: you mean in pulseaudio? | 21:27 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: no, in the volume control of the indicator plugin | 21:31 |
| recon_lap | best i can describe it without finding the bin. | 21:31 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: the sounds settings in the indicator plugin just takes me to the pulseaudio volume control that i can find in the xfce menu -> multimedia | 21:35 |
| ochosi | Goliat: there is a tab called "configuration" in pavucontrol (which is the pulseaudio-volume control that xubuntu uses by default) | 21:37 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: so have you changed "configuration" ? | 21:37 |
| recon_lap | ochosi: thats the name i was looking for pavucontrol :) | 21:38 |
| ochosi | recon_lap: np ;) | 21:38 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: You mean change the profiles in the configuration tab? | 21:40 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: yes, that probably why it's stuck on hdmi | 21:40 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: I only started looking in there when the speaker control stopped working. I just turned them on and off. The only thing I remember changing in pulseaudio before that is that I had to change which output is set as fallback because I got audio sent to the hdmi. | 21:44 |
| Goliat | when I changed the fallback I got sound to the speakers but after that the media keys stopped functioning. | 21:45 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: cant think of anything , sry | 21:52 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: no worries :) I'm getting used to all the troubles this laptop gives me with linux, dell is not good with linux :p | 21:53 |
| Goliat | the only other thing Iv'e thought about doing is to install a different volume manager. | 21:54 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: only other cmd i use fault finding sound is alsamixer | 21:55 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: where can I find alsamixer? | 21:56 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: the command line | 21:56 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: the alsamixer seems to control the speakers and I can select interface. | 22:01 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: that it does. | 22:03 |
| Goliat | so I can at least control the volume in an easier way than with pulseaudio | 22:04 |
| Goliat | I just need to run a terminal :p | 22:04 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: well you could fix your function keys | 22:04 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: yeah but how? some script using alsa to change the volume instead? | 22:06 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949210 the most relevant i can find, I think | 22:14 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: reply #3 seems the quickest way | 22:18 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: nothings happens with mute. I't notifies that the audio is muted but nothing happens | 22:24 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: well, where you listing to anything!!! | 22:24 |
| Goliat | Yes, Im playing a clip on youtube, they wont shut up. | 22:25 |
| Goliat | I also tried the lower volume command and it does the same, notifies that it is lower the volume but it isnt. | 22:26 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: you test with youtube!!!!!! | 22:27 |
| recon_lap | Goliat: but I'm out of ideas then | 22:27 |
| Goliat | yes? Is there a deathpenalty for that? :s | 22:28 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: Ok. I tried with gmusicbrowser also, the same there. But atleast I can use alsamixer. It's much better than pulseaudio. | 22:33 |
| Goliat | recon_lap: But thanks for your help. My situation is atleast better than before :) | 22:36 |
| earthling_ | hi, I was wondering what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu in terms of occasional program updates? | 23:45 |
| Unit193 | Same exact repos. | 23:45 |
| earthling_ | repository is where all the software is? | 23:46 |
| earthling_ | and updates? | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | That's the software, yep. Now, as the default applications differ, may update differently. | 23:47 |
| earthling_ | I see | 23:48 |
| earthling_ | I wonder if xubuntu will stay with XFCE or go to Unity | 23:50 |
| Unit193 | ...The X in Xubuntu is Xfce, it "didn't go" to gnome when Ubuntu had that, nothing has changed since then. | 23:51 |
| earthling_ | are there any limitations of xfce? | 23:51 |
| earthling_ | compared with ubuntu/unity | 23:52 |
| earthling_ | just different styles of doing things? | 23:52 |
| earthling_ | I've been trying different live usbs | 23:56 |
| Unit193 | They are different, I haven't used Unity so I don't know how they compare. | 23:56 |
| earthling_ | messed up my laptop a bit, so I need to backup all my stuff now just in case | 23:56 |
| wapiflapi | hi | 23:58 |
| wapiflapi | Any way to make xubuntu work with two monitors? I'dd like to be able to switch workspaces independently on each one, is that possible ? | 23:59 |
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