[00:00] bernz, "df -h" used is 52K and use% is 6% [00:00] anyway, i think David-A is on the right track... you're probably almost out of space on your /tmp volume (you can see where it's mounted with "cat /etc/mtab") [00:00] ah [00:00] maybe it's a very tiny volume, if 52K represents 6% of the volume! :-D [00:02] i see these 2 lines when i do "cat /etc/mtab" [00:02] tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755 0 0 [00:02] overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,size=1048576,mode=1777 0 0 [00:03] i've ran updates before that requires 100s of MB with no problem...everything was working great until now [00:04] hmm, okay, it's a tmpfs system, and we can't see the size that way as it's only a percentage [00:05] oh, wait, when you do "df -h", what size is the tmpfs volume? [00:05] (mine is, for example, listed as "741M") [00:06] the only tmpfs line i see is... [00:06] tmpfs 812000 968 811032 1% /run [00:06] ah yes [00:06] your tmpfs is only 812Ko! [00:06] ish [00:07] ubu: i suspect you have /tmp in a ram-filesystem, and only allow it 1MB (52k/6% is almost 1MB). what kind of computer you have? how much ram? how did you install xubuntu? [00:07] it's mostly empty, but still tiny... did installing or running something cause its definition to change? [00:08] (oh yes... i've been assuming an installed system, not a "live session") [00:08] 812 kilobytes? then how was i able to download updates that are 100s of megabytes in the past? [00:08] it might have been larger in the past [00:09] its size is defined somewhere, and that is modifiable, but system updates, malware, user error, etc, if your permissions are sufficiently lax [00:09] but -> by [00:09] yes, it's an installed system..i did not knowing do anything to cause the size to change [00:10] so how do i fix this without having to reinstall the system? [00:11] well, i'm not super good at these details, but... is your whole system installed on a single volume ("partition")? if so, what's its size? is 812000 about 10% of the volume's size? [00:11] ubu: we don't know what has gone wrong yet. how much ram do you have? [00:12] David-A, perhaps we should find where "/" is mounted, and see if it's an actual disk or not? [00:13] oh, sorry, David-A, i see where you're going with this [00:13] i have 4GB ram [00:14] the percentage (10%) represents 10% of your RAM [00:14] ubu: can you paste the entire output of "df -h" to a paste bin site and post a link to it here? [00:14] how do i do that, bin site [00:14] !pastebin [00:14] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:16] ubu: go to http://paste.ubuntu.com and copy paste from terminal to there. OR. run the command "df -h | pastebinit" (without quotes) and copy the resulting url in this chat. [00:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543096/ [00:19] ubu: your /tmp is a separate device, and I don't know what an "overflow" device is, but I can google. wait [00:24] ubu: have you checked for CD's or USB sticks in your computer? but look like /tmp is mounted on a really small partition [00:24] ubu: you are not the only one having had this problem :). have you changed your /etc/fstab manually lately? can you paste bin it? [00:25] no CD's or USB sticks...i have never touched /etc/fstab [00:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543116/ [00:27] found some claims that 'overflow' is mounted instead of your normal tmp mount if normal tmp is too full... from your "df -h", it looks like they are both mostly empty now, but maybe /tmp got cleared after overflow was already mounted. this means ensuring they are both mostly empty, and then rebooting, could fix you (at least) [00:27] (at least for now) [00:28] (from here: http://blog.cone.be/2009/08/31/overflow-tmpfs-on-tmp/ ) [00:29] the Internets suggests an "overflow" device is automatically created for /tmp when the disk is full. I think the real problem is the 99% fullness of "/" (a few % is reserved for root so that may be this happen slightly before 100%) [00:29] yeah, David-A, that makes sense [00:30] ubu: ^^ [00:31] i will free up some more space and reboot...thanks [00:31] ubu: try free some space with "sudo apt-get clean" or "sudo apt-get autoclean" [00:33] ran both apt-get's...freeing up disk space and will reboot..thanks again [00:33] ubu reboot? [00:34] probably don't need to reboot, as David-A pointed out that overflow is managed automatically [00:35] ubu: your /home/ubu is exactly like /, and it is not in /etc/fstab. i suspect that you have encryption. it's alright with me, but I dont know much about it. [00:36] u r correct, the hard drive is encrypted [00:36] ubu: anyway, if so, freeing up space (removing unneeded files) in /home/ubu can be a good idea. [00:38] ubu: there is a tool "fdupes" that can find copies of files if you suspect you have multiple copies of videos and such laying around [00:39] rebooting...thanks again [00:53] ubu: all good? [00:53] system is back to normal, i can run update now...thanks you guys, much appreciate it [00:55] ubu: do you know about Disk Usage Analyzer? (to find dirs with large files you'd forgot about) (command "du -k | sort -n" is about the same thing) [00:56] DUA is in the software center? [00:57] ubu: should be. isn't it installed already? [00:58] it's not installed...i'll look into it.. thanks for all your help [00:59] ubu: for me (lucid 10.04) it is in package gnome-utils [02:27] does anyone know how to set up a sub domain in apache2? [03:09] Hey guys, I'm using the xubuntu live cd and I can't mount any disks using the gui and when I mount them in terminal they're all read only? [03:09] any help? I just want to back up my home directory before installing === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [04:05] acegiak: did you get sorted? [04:19] holstein, i didnt solve it but i worked around it [04:19] cool.. i would just sudo mv what i want... or gksudo open a filemanager.. [04:20] Or mount with -o uid=999,gid=999 If I remember, live has that as UID and GID. [04:21] Unit193: cool... i havent used that [04:22] Pretty handy, syntax is slightly different for fstab. [04:32] xubuntu [04:32] pwd [04:32] hello. [04:34] Unit193: Yeah I'd get an error doing that, and an IO error on trying to sudo mv [04:35] Oh nice. :P [05:31] hello, question. is there a repository for the more recent versions of the proprietary radeon driver? the one in the xubuntu repos is out of date [05:33] this might have a clue [05:33] !ati [05:33] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [05:35] ah, okay, thanks [05:35] one more thing: is there a way to get a more recent version of the kernel than the one already present in the repositories? [05:36] you can build it yourself or search for a ppa [05:36] check the backports too [05:36] are you aware of any particularly good PPAs? [05:36] there's quite a few of them and some look dodgy [05:37] not offhand I just build stuff I want myself [05:37] !ppa [05:37] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [05:37] there's a link there ^ [05:38] maybe i should consider compiling the kernel myself [05:39] how safe is it to use backports? [05:39] backports should be fine [05:39] it's not hard to build a kernel - just takes a little bit of practise [05:39] !compile [05:39] hm, odd [05:39] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first). Also read !checkinstall [05:39] i already have backports enabled [05:39] it's proposed that isn't enabled [05:40] there might not be a backported kernel yet [05:45] well looks like I got 10.04 to submit to the G5 but upgrading to 12.04 I get an invalid image error [05:45] such is and so be it [05:46] you are typing and have afk in your nick [05:47] ;) [06:35] has anyone tried running xubuntu on an android phone? [06:36] anyone here? [06:37] !patience [06:37] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [06:37] well, you waited for a minute... [06:37] and i suppose not, because it's not supposed to work. [06:38] holy cow. im sorry [09:34] Hi, I am about to install xubuntu on an old desktop with AMD Athlon 2000. Which CD should I downloead? My guess is that amd54 but I am not sure. [09:38] xubuntu178: i386 [09:38] TheSheep: Thanks [09:38] xubuntu178: because it's a 32 bit processor, not 64 bit [09:40] gbrainy doesn't seem to change language in xubuntu [09:40] anybody knows how to change it? [09:43] Ronalds_M: settings manager -> lanuguage support to install the languages you need, and choose your language at the login screen [09:43] I have installed [09:43] I restarted pc [09:43] and it's changed [09:44] I even removed gbrainy completely with synaptic [09:44] and installed again [09:44] no idea what gbrainy is, sorry, I thought you are asking how to change language in xubuntu [09:45] it's an app, that has great language support, but I can't get it to change the language [09:46] I read that it should change it if I change the defaults [09:46] but nothing happened [14:20] i need to reinstall(and purge) all apport related packages and dependancys. can that be done via aptitude --purge reinstall , in some way?. === azeaml is now known as azeam [14:59] zoktar: apt-get remove will un-install a package but leave all of it's configuration files in place. If you re-install the package later all your settings will still be intact. apt-get purge does the same as above but also removes all of the configuration files. [15:01] yeah i was looking for a way to multilevel dependancy reinstallation thingy with aptitude. [15:01] aptitude reinstall can reinstall stuff without getting dep issues [15:02] was hoping to get it to follow the packages that are beeing reinstalled's dependancys and do the same for them untill all are met. [15:02] zoktar: does apt-get not do that? [15:03] the reinstall command is unique to aptitude as far as i know === nyRednek is now known as Barfolomew [15:04] gets around the "dep issues" when you want to just reinstall something [15:05] usefull with --purge aswel to get fresh cfg files [15:06] zoktar: well not something I've ever needed, so best of look getting it sorted :) got to go so good luck [16:09] heyas [16:10] any one here know much about apple G5 sound in xubuntu [16:10] * lumpX can't seem to record anything atm [16:10] G5 is ppc? [16:10] yeah [16:10] !ppc [16:10] PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ [16:11] there is #ubuntu-ppc [16:11] they may be able to help [16:11] i have managed to get xubuntu 10.04 running on it [16:11] we are all Intel here [16:11] !sound too [16:11] !audio [16:11] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [16:11] should be similar [16:11] but when ever I try and record, i get a crackle pop through the headphones and speakers and then nothin [16:12] alsa versions matter.. kernels too [16:12] i gave up on running a desktop on my ppc hardware years ago [16:13] thanks holstein, i will look those links over [16:13] and, yeah, it does seem a tad of a challenge to get nix on this old beast [16:14] but now that it is installed, it does seem really fast compared to my other even more ancient hardware [16:15] i found it underwhelming.. and these days, when i can dig PC hardware of that vintage literally out of the trash, i tend to just go with what works [16:16] well this one was basically such, traded an external drive for it [16:16] so under 100$ [16:16] thats how i got the G3 and G4 i used to play with.. i would expect support to get worse, not better [16:18] i agree with you there but, for now, this is a hardware upgrade for my under employed butt [16:19] and, worse case, (no recording) it will still make a great post production machine [16:22] so nothing shows up with the "lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"" command [16:23] but I can see sound cards and such in the mixer [16:24] try aplay -l [16:24] all kinds of drivers show up for that command [16:24] i am doing a purge and reinstall [16:25] i might have borked it installing jack [16:25] i wanted to see if the ppc would do realtime [16:25] and it did not like it when i tried to run jack [16:26] ntl, i will figure it out cause you guys are all brilliant and awesome [16:27] lumpX: i would not expect JACK to work well [16:27] lumpX: we dont make a kernel for PPC [16:27] lumpX: if you are getting crack/pops with JACK, relax the settings... set the latency *very* high [16:27] lumpX: try recording without jack.. with just pulse [16:29] i have tried with and without pulse [16:29] i usually exorcise pulse on my machines [16:29] i have tried it with and with out pulse on this machine [16:30] lumpX: i said withouth *jack* [16:30] without* [16:30] lumpX: try without jack [16:30] i will holstein I dunno if i will have time before they finish loading my truck [16:30] lumpX: ? [16:30] * lumpX hears the truck idling in the shop below [16:31] * lumpX is about to make a delivery run [16:31] lumpX: well, feel free to come here whenever you want to solve you issues and one of the volunteers will help :) [16:31] dropping off some stuff and picking up some stuff at an auction [16:31] lumpX: i say you are pushing JACK to hard.. and not having realistic expectations [16:32] i know that holstein, you guys are really very helpful and i appreciate it [16:32] i was rather doubtful about jack on this machine [16:32] i would remove JACK from the equation and simply record something [16:32] as you said no ppc support [16:32] lumpX: JACK in pcc is going to be sketchy [16:32] i will try that [16:32] lumpX: we dont have the lowlatency kernel for PPC [16:32] can idjc work without jack? [16:32] lumpX: no one has ppc support anymore [16:33] lumpX: you dont need low latency to use idjc [16:33] lumpX: i would set the JACK settings *really* relaxed..and really high latency.. 90+ms and test [16:33] yeah but will it work without jack [16:33] i never tried it without jack [16:33] lumpX: i dont know... but that is not going to be a deal breaker anyway [16:34] nope it won't [16:35] jack is a required [16:35] can anyone provide a link or instruct me on how to install applications. such as uTorrent and whatever else i might use? im new to linux file systems and im not understanding how to install executable applications. [16:35] so looks like this is a post production box [16:35] and tweaking it just got a whole lot simpler [16:35] lerner222: most software comes from the official repos [16:35] thanks holstein [16:36] lerner222: if its a package someone else is providing, the usually have instructions [16:36] lerner222: there really is not, and cant be a definitive "how to install" for everything, since these cases are very specific to both the developer, and to the end users [16:36] you all have a great day [16:36] lerner222: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware [16:36] ttyl [16:36] holstein: uTorrent website has a linux version. i downloaded and the files are in foldlers, but i dont know how to make it execute [16:36] * lumpX waves [16:37] lerner222: typically, i open a package manager, such as synaptic or the software center, and i search and i install [16:37] if what i want is not there, i search for a ppa [16:37] !ppa [16:37] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [16:37] ok, thanks for the help [16:38] you guys are much more kind and understanding then the population at 1am. [16:38] if i dont find one, i might search for a .deb at the developers site.. then i search for how the developer expects me to install [16:38] lerner222: some sites have specific install instructions for ubuntu, or .deb's right there [16:39] so .deb is the common extension needed for executables then? [16:40] lerner222: i think you are looking for a equivalent to .exe in windows, and its not really that but similar [16:40] ya, gotchya. thanks again. can you tell i came from windows? :) [16:41] lerner222: just asking, why do you want to use utorrent? [16:41] lerner222: i would also remember why you are using utorrent.. its what you used in windows [16:41] maybe just try a native tool in ubuntu [16:41] its always a default program i like to have for just about anything [16:41] http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=108146 [16:42] lerner222: you can always open the software center and search "torrent" and find what is available by default [16:42] lerner222: i would try and relax a bit, and remeber that the first week you were using and getting used to using windows, you were not running utorrent [16:43] good deal. its gonna be hard getting away from the default things im used to. i will probably be here finding ways. or searching the SC a lot [16:43] ture [16:43] *true [16:43] lerner222: There is nothing wrong about using utorrent, but there are lot better alternatives, transmission for example. utorrent, at least the windows version, contains adware and possibly spyware [16:43] lerner222: you should see me on a windows box... [16:44] tranmission is very nice.. i like the web server setup [16:44] lol [16:44] transmission can be found in SC? [16:44] yes [16:44] actually it should be installed by default [16:44] lerner222: you can manager downloads or uploads in tranmission from a web browser on another machine.. very nice [16:45] torax: if you download and click on a torrent, doesnt it just offer to run transmission? [16:45] very nice. can it be used remotely to find and begin downloads as well? [16:45] ignore that, u just answered it [16:47] im so unfamiliar with application names and what they do that xubuntu has transmission loaded stock on my version [16:48] lerner222: no worries.. again, remember how long it was til you found and used "disk defrag" in windows [16:48] It is everybodys own business what software they use. I have trust issues with software that install toolbars and ads without asking. Im the guy with tinfoil hat but I dont want to push my "ideology" to others =) [16:48] so long that it took a week for it to defrag lol [16:48] Its a new system, takes some time to get used to it [16:49] the way linux works differes from windows quite a lot, but in the end it is way more logical [16:49] im getting that. i think i've been brainwashed by windows [16:50] yup... also, test things live lerner222 ... as much as possible.. throw in the live CD and break that live setup.. reboot, and nothing is broken [16:50] good point [16:50] lerner222: make a user called "test" and try configuring things there first (that a good tip for windows too) [16:50] do you have any experience running ubuntu or similar on android phone? [16:51] lerner222: run an instance in virtualbox and test install things.. test upgrades.. whatever [16:51] lerner222: i have only used android on android phones so far.. [16:52] im excited to see the "ubuntu for android" official mobile OS [16:52] anticipation sucks [16:53] do u know of a way to enable my "disable touchpad" option? i use a BT mouse and always brush the pad w/ my thumbs and its SO annoying [16:54] found it, nevermind. thanks again for the info. much abliged [16:55] lerner222: cheers! [17:09] good evening [17:09] No idea if you have ever bumped into this, but after installing Xubuntu 12.10 to encrypted FS and LVM after the successful install it won't boot [17:10] it just gets stuck and drops me to initramfs [17:10] making a remark that my lvm doesn't exist and can't start, drops me to a shell [17:10] anyone any ideas what I might missing [17:12] the method for installing is : /boot seperate, unencrypted. targets are: 1 encrypted volume , inside 1 VG with 3 LV's: /home / and swap [17:13] it's12.10 amd64 [17:18] norbert79: i have seen that when i had bad hardware [17:18] holstein: Would wonder me as it's a brand new laptop [17:19] with a fully working HDD [17:19] so we can exclude hardware failure [17:19] o/ [17:21] norbert79: is it?.. new hard drives are able to fail too.. they all will [17:21] holstein: Yes, it is working well. [17:21] norbert79: you can exclude the hardware failure when you like, but i test, then exlude personally [17:21] norbert79: we hardware is *often* bad [17:22] Skip on tha hardware part, will you? I can guarantee you it's working [17:22] norbert79: nope.. but maybe one of the other volunteers can help you, and "assume" you tested the hardware [17:22] You aren't really helping here [17:22] otherwise, you can look into the iso download [17:22] !md5 [17:22] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [17:22] Did [17:22] or grub [17:22] !grub [17:22] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [17:23] why don't you test it yourself? [17:23] With a VM [17:23] it seems the installer itself is faulty [17:23] norbert79: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD you can try the minimal iso's and see if you can get an install booting as you want and add what you like [17:24] holstein: Sorry, but you are treating me like a rookie, sorry, not your regular user here [17:24] Check the installer, it goes into a fault after a luks+lvm install [17:24] after the first reboot [17:24] norbert79: cool.. good luck.. i ned to run.. enjoy! [17:24] norbert79, lose the attitude [17:24] need* [17:24] bazhang: really? is this really a support? [17:24] bazhang: I don't think so [17:24] norbert79, its volunteer. [17:25] Yeah, I can see that [17:25] norbert79: im on my way out the door, but im sure someone can help you.. or, i will be glad to help you more and actually try the iso you tried in VM later [17:25] so enough with the complaints/accusations [17:25] holstein: The issue is that I wouldn't ask if I would know the answer and I need to deliver [17:25] otherwise i wouldn't be here [17:26] norbert79: i might go for a simpler setup, or try the minimal iso's i linked to get setup from a different installer (if you would ike to take the installer out of the euquation) [17:26] chrooting doesn't help either, everything seems fine, it's like luks would be misssing from the initramfs [17:27] norbert79: but, i must leave.. i have to drive across town, and i oppoligize for anything that i have done or am doing that you are finding offensive [17:28] norbert79: you can also try the installer specific support channels, or main ubuntu.. since this should be not specific to xubuntu [17:28] holstein: unfortuantely it seems it is, regular Ubuntu works, but Xubuntu is the way the client wants to go [17:28] Which i can understand [17:28] but since specific settings are necessary which Xubuntu can handle during install [17:28] but not after reboot [17:29] makes me wonder [17:29] norbert79: then install, and *then* install xfce, or xubuntu-desktop [17:29] xubuntu is ubuntu [17:29] not really in the mood for cleaning up the mess [17:29] then try the minimal and add what you like [17:29] apt-get purge hell is not really something I wish to do :9 [17:29] minimal, well, I could try, still, it's very weird [17:39] Question: Why does the installer remove ecryptfs-utils after the install and can it cause the system not booting properly? I mean it's not even asking for the LUKS password for my volumes [17:39] Plymouth gets just stuck [18:29] hey [18:29] is there anywhere i can find a list of the pre-installed apps shipped with xubuntu? [18:31] no? [18:32] tmewett: Hold on a sec [18:32] tmewett: Which version were you thinking of? [18:32] the latest, preferably [18:33] i am indecisive about which linux distro to switch to [18:33] this would help greatly [18:33] Where are you currently now? [18:33] In terms of distro, that is [18:33] i'm running windows right now, if that's what you mean [18:34] Okay [18:34] but currently i am thinking of either xubuntu or lubuntu [18:34] What apps in particular are you focused on? [18:36] Alrighty, here's the page for Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/tour/ and here's the page for Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications [18:37] tmewett: make a live usb and try them out [18:37] be reminded, that these come out-of-the-box, you can also add any other application through the software center [18:37] yes, i am aware of that [18:37] On any fresh install I usually toss Abiword and Gnumeric for LibreOffice instead [18:38] ok [18:38] and, any words on Xfce as a DM? [18:38] Xubuntu is XFCE [18:38] or should i just live boot? ^-^ [18:38] yeah, easier [18:38] haha, fair enough [18:39] I use Xfce and my parents use LXDE. Xfce is great and I enjoy using it. [18:39] make up your own mind by taking a look [18:39] ok, well thanks for the help guys [18:39] I use XFCE as Mate isn't that perfect yet, and still comes close as Gnome2 alternative [18:39] tmewett: You're welcome. Have a great day [18:40] likewise :) [19:00] Can anyone help with a startup issue? [19:01] I have 12.04 and it is getting stuck right after "checking battery state" [19:01] battery state is okay and then just stops there [19:03] SnoStorm: Did you try using the lappy from regular power supply? [19:04] try doing that, if it gets stuck again, then it's not something related to your battery [19:05] trying right now...... [19:06] Still stops.... [19:06] well, we can exclude that at least [19:06] did you try checking for filesystem errors? [19:07] any help with that... pretty noob with anything linux and its the only thing that fits on this [19:07] well, I assume you have a working PC otherwise you won't be online [19:07] yes [19:08] so basically your system won't boot at all [19:08] correct [19:08] does your system have encrypted filesystems or did you install it as regular? [19:08] regular [19:08] What OS do you use atm? [19:09] xubuntu 12.04 [19:09] No, on your working PC [19:09] oh windows 7 [19:09] I assume you could create a Live USB [19:09] otherwise you won't have ubuntu installed [19:09] xubuntu [19:09] yeah or i have it on a cd [19:09] nice, you should boot that as start [19:10] we will need it for the fs check [19:10] okay its all loaded up [19:10] check disk for defects? [19:11] You can do that, no idea if it checks the CD-ROM itself or the hard drives too [19:11] I would skip that though [19:11] the lappy has the Xubuntu installed only, right? [19:11] already ran it lol...... shouldn't take long i think it was for the disc and not the hard disk [19:13] alright [19:13] yes only xubuntu [19:13] ok, start the live [19:13] it doesn't have live [19:13] it has [19:13] install [19:13] check disc [19:13] test memory [19:14] boot from first hard disk [19:14] You are using the alternate installer... eh, damn [19:14] or rescue a broken system [19:14] yeah i only have a 4gb hard drive in this little thing [19:14] ssd [19:14] the easiest way would be using a Live CD with terminal [19:14] like Systemrescuecd or anything small [19:15] or you could install Xubuntu live to a pendrive using unetbootin [19:15] unetbootin.sf.net [19:15] what if i try the rescue a broken system option [19:15] go for it, never used it :) [19:19] I think this happened with some other distros but i forgot how i fixed it [19:19] but it always seemed like after i installed updates [19:19] interesting [19:20] alright i got to a menu with a lot of options [19:21] "choose the next step in the install process" [19:21] one of them is "install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" [19:21] trying to find relevant ones [19:21] use check filesystem [19:22] not an option [19:22] open a terminal? [19:23] nope [19:23] there is a continue with rescue [19:24] and then that asks me which device to use as a root file system [19:25] sda1, sda2, sda5, assemble RAID arrray, do not use a root file system [19:26] any of those options? [19:26] sda1 probably, not sure [19:27] i think thats what my root system was on.... [19:28] execute a shell in /dev/sda1, execute a shell in the installer environment, reinstall GRUB boot loader [19:28] second [19:29] installer environment? [19:29] yes [19:29] okay [19:29] gives me a prompt [19:30] Busybox v1.18.5 enter "help" for a list of built in commands [19:30] "mount" [19:30] check if any /dev/sda is mounted [19:31] sda1 on /target type ext4 [19:31] umount /dev/sda1 [19:32] fsck /dev/sda* [19:34] device is busy [19:36] did you umount it? [19:36] thats what happens when i umount [19:38] Should I just reinstall? [19:38] i'm reading a lot has to do with video drivers [19:38] and nvidia updating with update manager [19:38] but i'm pretty sure i don't have any nvidia gpus [19:48] is there any way to boot without graphics drivers? [19:52] I can get into the recovery menu but when I go to umount or anything it says the the file system is read only [20:18] nobert79 i fixed it by removing one of the programs I installed this morning === toga_ is now known as toga [20:50] hallo === epzil0n is now known as Guest2461 [21:13] Hi! I'm having some trouble with the audio on my laptop. My volume controls are stuck on my hdmi output and i can't change it to my speakers. So I have to adjust the volume in pulseaudio at the moment. I've tried to change it but pulseaudio seems to be stubborn on my laptop. [21:25] Goliat: have you changed "configuration" in sound settings [21:27] recon_lap: you mean in pulseaudio? [21:31] Goliat: no, in the volume control of the indicator plugin [21:31] best i can describe it without finding the bin. [21:35] recon_lap: the sounds settings in the indicator plugin just takes me to the pulseaudio volume control that i can find in the xfce menu -> multimedia [21:37] Goliat: there is a tab called "configuration" in pavucontrol (which is the pulseaudio-volume control that xubuntu uses by default) [21:37] Goliat: so have you changed "configuration" ? [21:38] ochosi: thats the name i was looking for pavucontrol :) [21:38] recon_lap: np ;) [21:40] recon_lap: You mean change the profiles in the configuration tab? [21:40] Goliat: yes, that probably why it's stuck on hdmi [21:44] recon_lap: I only started looking in there when the speaker control stopped working. I just turned them on and off. The only thing I remember changing in pulseaudio before that is that I had to change which output is set as fallback because I got audio sent to the hdmi. [21:45] when I changed the fallback I got sound to the speakers but after that the media keys stopped functioning. [21:52] Goliat: cant think of anything , sry [21:53] recon_lap: no worries :) I'm getting used to all the troubles this laptop gives me with linux, dell is not good with linux :p [21:54] the only other thing Iv'e thought about doing is to install a different volume manager. [21:55] Goliat: only other cmd i use fault finding sound is alsamixer [21:56] recon_lap: where can I find alsamixer? [21:56] Goliat: the command line [22:01] recon_lap: the alsamixer seems to control the speakers and I can select interface. [22:03] Goliat: that it does. [22:04] so I can at least control the volume in an easier way than with pulseaudio [22:04] I just need to run a terminal :p [22:04] Goliat: well you could fix your function keys [22:06] recon_lap: yeah but how? some script using alsa to change the volume instead? [22:14] Goliat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949210 the most relevant i can find, I think [22:18] Goliat: reply #3 seems the quickest way [22:24] recon_lap: nothings happens with mute. I't notifies that the audio is muted but nothing happens [22:24] Goliat: well, where you listing to anything!!! [22:25] Yes, Im playing a clip on youtube, they wont shut up. [22:26] I also tried the lower volume command and it does the same, notifies that it is lower the volume but it isnt. [22:27] Goliat: you test with youtube!!!!!! [22:27] Goliat: but I'm out of ideas then [22:28] yes? Is there a deathpenalty for that? :s [22:33] recon_lap: Ok. I tried with gmusicbrowser also, the same there. But atleast I can use alsamixer. It's much better than pulseaudio. [22:36] recon_lap: But thanks for your help. My situation is atleast better than before :) [23:45] hi, I was wondering what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu in terms of occasional program updates? [23:45] Same exact repos. [23:46] repository is where all the software is? [23:46] and updates? [23:47] That's the software, yep. Now, as the default applications differ, may update differently. [23:48] I see [23:50] I wonder if xubuntu will stay with XFCE or go to Unity [23:51] ...The X in Xubuntu is Xfce, it "didn't go" to gnome when Ubuntu had that, nothing has changed since then. [23:51] are there any limitations of xfce? [23:52] compared with ubuntu/unity [23:52] just different styles of doing things? [23:56] I've been trying different live usbs [23:56] They are different, I haven't used Unity so I don't know how they compare. [23:56] messed up my laptop a bit, so I need to backup all my stuff now just in case [23:58] hi [23:59] Any way to make xubuntu work with two monitors? I'dd like to be able to switch workspaces independently on each one, is that possible ?