[00:00] <ubu> bernz, "df -h" used is 52K and use% is 6%
[00:00] <bernz> anyway, i think David-A is on the right track... you're probably almost out of space on your /tmp volume (you can see where it's mounted with "cat /etc/mtab")
[00:00] <bernz> ah
[00:00] <bernz> maybe it's a very tiny volume, if 52K represents 6% of the volume! :-D
[00:02] <ubu> i see these 2 lines when i do "cat /etc/mtab"
[00:02] <ubu> tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755 0 0
[00:02] <ubu> overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,size=1048576,mode=1777 0 0
[00:03] <ubu> i've ran updates before that requires 100s of MB with no problem...everything was working great until now
[00:04] <bernz> hmm, okay, it's a tmpfs system, and we can't see the size that way as it's only a percentage
[00:05] <bernz> oh, wait, when you do "df -h", what size is the tmpfs volume?
[00:05] <bernz> (mine is, for example, listed as "741M")
[00:06] <ubu> the only tmpfs line i see is...
[00:06] <ubu> tmpfs                                                                        812000       968    811032   1% /run
[00:06] <bernz> ah yes
[00:06] <bernz> your tmpfs is only 812Ko!
[00:06] <bernz> ish
[00:07] <David-A> ubu: i suspect you have /tmp in a ram-filesystem, and only allow it 1MB (52k/6% is almost 1MB). what kind of computer you have? how much ram? how did you install xubuntu?
[00:07] <bernz> it's mostly empty, but still tiny... did installing or running something cause its definition to change?
[00:08] <bernz> (oh yes... i've been assuming an installed system, not a "live session")
[00:08] <ubu> 812 kilobytes? then how was i able to download updates that are 100s of megabytes in the past?
[00:08] <bernz> it might have been larger in the past
[00:09] <bernz> its size is defined somewhere, and that is modifiable, but system updates, malware, user error, etc, if your permissions are sufficiently lax
[00:09] <bernz> but -> by
[00:09] <ubu> yes, it's an installed system..i did not knowing do anything to cause the size to change
[00:10] <ubu> so how do i fix this without having to reinstall the system?
[00:11] <bernz> well, i'm not super good at these details, but... is your whole system installed on a single volume ("partition")? if so, what's its size? is 812000 about 10% of the volume's size?
[00:11] <David-A> ubu: we don't know what has gone wrong yet. how much ram do you have?
[00:12] <bernz> David-A, perhaps we should find where "/" is mounted, and see if it's an actual disk or not?
[00:13] <bernz> oh, sorry, David-A, i see where you're going with this
[00:13] <ubu> i have 4GB ram
[00:14] <bernz> the percentage (10%) represents 10% of your RAM
[00:14] <David-A> ubu: can you paste the entire output of "df -h" to a paste bin site and post a link to it here?
[00:14] <ubu> how do i do that, bin site
[00:14] <David-A> !pastebin
[00:16] <David-A> ubu: go to http://paste.ubuntu.com and copy paste from terminal to there. OR. run the command "df -h | pastebinit" (without quotes) and copy the resulting url in this chat.
[00:17] <ubu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543096/
[00:19] <David-A> ubu: your /tmp is a separate device, and I don't know what an "overflow" device is, but I can google. wait
[00:24] <recon_lap> ubu: have you checked for CD's or USB sticks in your computer? but look like /tmp is mounted on a really small partition
[00:24] <David-A> ubu: you are not the only one having had this problem :). have you changed your /etc/fstab manually lately? can you paste bin it?
[00:25] <ubu> no CD's or USB sticks...i have never touched /etc/fstab
[00:27] <ubu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1543116/
[00:27] <bernz> found some claims that 'overflow' is mounted instead of your normal tmp mount if normal tmp is too full... from your "df -h", it looks like they are both mostly empty now, but maybe /tmp got cleared after overflow was already mounted. this means ensuring they are both mostly empty, and then rebooting, could fix you (at least)
[00:27] <bernz> (at least for now)
[00:28] <bernz> (from here: http://blog.cone.be/2009/08/31/overflow-tmpfs-on-tmp/ )
[00:29] <David-A> the Internets suggests an "overflow" device is automatically created for /tmp when the disk is full. I think the real problem is the 99% fullness of "/" (a few % is reserved for root so that may be this happen slightly before 100%)
[00:29] <bernz> yeah, David-A, that makes sense
[00:30] <David-A> ubu: ^^
[00:31] <ubu> i will free up some more space and reboot...thanks
[00:31] <David-A> ubu: try free some space with "sudo apt-get clean" or "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[00:33] <ubu> ran both apt-get's...freeing up disk space and will reboot..thanks again
[00:33] <recon_lap> ubu reboot?
[00:34] <bernz> probably don't need to reboot, as David-A pointed out that overflow is managed automatically
[00:35] <David-A> ubu: your /home/ubu is exactly like /, and it is not in /etc/fstab. i suspect that you have encryption. it's alright with me, but I dont know much about it.
[00:36] <ubu> u r correct, the hard drive is encrypted
[00:36] <David-A> ubu: anyway, if so, freeing up space (removing unneeded files) in /home/ubu can be a good idea.
[00:38] <David-A> ubu: there is a tool "fdupes" that can find copies of files if you suspect you have multiple copies of videos and such laying around
[00:39] <ubu> rebooting...thanks again
[00:53] <David-A> ubu: all good?
[00:53] <ubu> system is back to normal, i can run update now...thanks you guys, much appreciate it
[00:55] <David-A> ubu: do you know about Disk Usage Analyzer? (to find dirs with large files you'd forgot about) (command "du -k | sort -n" is about the same thing)
[00:56] <ubu> DUA is in the software center?
[00:57] <David-A> ubu: should be. isn't it installed already?
[00:58] <ubu> it's not installed...i'll look into it.. thanks for all your help
[00:59] <David-A> ubu: for me (lucid 10.04) it is in package gnome-utils
[02:27] <ncm> does anyone know how to set up a sub domain in apache2?
[03:09] <acegiak> Hey guys, I'm using the xubuntu live cd and I can't mount any disks using the gui and when I mount them in terminal they're all read only?
[03:09] <acegiak> any help? I just want to back up my home directory before installing
[04:05] <holstein> acegiak: did you get sorted?
[04:19] <acegiak> holstein, i didnt solve it but i worked around it
[04:19] <holstein> cool.. i would just sudo mv what i want... or gksudo open a filemanager..
[04:20] <Unit193> Or mount with -o uid=999,gid=999  If I remember, live has that as UID and GID.
[04:21] <holstein> Unit193: cool... i havent used that
[04:22] <Unit193> Pretty handy, syntax is slightly different for fstab.
[04:32] <xubuntu813> xubuntu
[04:32] <xubuntu813> pwd
[04:32] <knome> hello.
[04:34] <acegiak> Unit193: Yeah I'd get an error doing that, and an IO error on trying to sudo mv
[04:35] <Unit193> Oh nice. :P
[05:31] <kharnov> hello, question. is there a repository for the more recent versions of the proprietary radeon driver? the one in the xubuntu repos is out of date
[05:33] <well_laid_lawn> this might have a clue
[05:33] <well_laid_lawn> !ati
[05:35] <kharnov> ah, okay, thanks
[05:35] <kharnov> one more thing: is there a way to get a more recent version of the kernel than the one already present in the repositories?
[05:36] <well_laid_lawn> you can build it yourself or search for a ppa
[05:36] <well_laid_lawn> check the backports too
[05:36] <kharnov> are you aware of any particularly good PPAs?
[05:36] <kharnov> there's quite a few of them and some look dodgy
[05:37] <well_laid_lawn> not offhand I just build stuff I want myself
[05:37] <well_laid_lawn> !ppa
[05:37] <well_laid_lawn> there's a link there ^
[05:38] <kharnov> maybe i should consider compiling the kernel myself
[05:39] <kharnov> how safe is it to use backports?
[05:39] <well_laid_lawn> backports should be fine
[05:39] <well_laid_lawn> it's not hard to build a kernel - just takes a little bit of practise
[05:39] <well_laid_lawn> !compile
[05:39] <kharnov> hm, odd
[05:39] <kharnov> i already have backports enabled
[05:39] <kharnov> it's proposed that isn't enabled
[05:40] <well_laid_lawn> there might not be a backported kernel yet
[05:45] <Lump|AFK> well looks like I got 10.04 to submit to the G5 but upgrading to 12.04 I get an invalid image error
[05:45] <Lump|AFK> such is and so be it
[05:46] <well_laid_lawn> you are typing and have afk in your nick
[05:47] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[06:35] <bjr222> has anyone tried running xubuntu on an android phone?
[06:36] <bjr222> anyone here?
[06:37] <knome> !patience
[06:37] <knome> well, you waited for a minute...
[06:37] <knome> and i suppose not, because it's not supposed to work.
[06:38] <bjr222> holy cow. im sorry
[09:34] <xubuntu178> Hi, I am about to install xubuntu on an old desktop with  AMD Athlon 2000. Which CD should I downloead? My guess is that amd54 but I am not sure.
[09:38] <TheSheep> xubuntu178: i386
[09:38] <xubuntu178> TheSheep: Thanks
[09:38] <TheSheep> xubuntu178: because it's a 32 bit processor, not 64 bit
[09:40] <Ronalds_M> gbrainy doesn't seem to change language in xubuntu
[09:40] <Ronalds_M> anybody knows how to change it?
[09:43] <TheSheep> Ronalds_M: settings manager -> lanuguage support to install the languages you need, and choose your language at the login screen
[09:43] <Ronalds_M> I have installed
[09:43] <Ronalds_M> I restarted pc
[09:43] <Ronalds_M> and it's changed
[09:44] <Ronalds_M> I even removed gbrainy completely with synaptic
[09:44] <Ronalds_M> and installed again
[09:44] <TheSheep> no idea what gbrainy is, sorry, I thought you are asking how to change language in xubuntu
[09:45] <Ronalds_M> it's an app, that has great language support, but I can't get it to change the language
[09:46] <Ronalds_M> I read that it should change it if I change the defaults
[09:46] <Ronalds_M> but nothing happened
[14:20] <zoktar> i need to reinstall(and purge) all apport related packages and dependancys. can that be done via aptitude --purge reinstall , in some way?.
[14:59] <recon_lap> zoktar: apt-get remove <package> will un-install a package but  leave all of it's configuration files in place. If you re-install the  package later all your settings will still be intact. apt-get purge <package> does the same as above but also removes all of the configuration files.
[15:01] <zoktar> yeah i was looking for a way to multilevel dependancy reinstallation thingy with aptitude.
[15:01] <zoktar> aptitude reinstall can reinstall stuff without getting dep issues
[15:02] <zoktar> was hoping to get it to follow the packages that are beeing reinstalled's dependancys and do the same for them untill all are met.
[15:02] <recon_lap> zoktar: does apt-get not do that?
[15:03] <zoktar> the reinstall command is unique to aptitude as far as i know
[15:04] <zoktar> gets around the "dep issues" when you want to just reinstall something
[15:05] <zoktar> usefull with --purge aswel to get fresh cfg files
[15:06] <recon_lap> zoktar: well not something I've ever needed, so best of look getting it sorted :) got to go so good luck
[16:09] <lumpX> heyas
[16:10] <lumpX> any one here know much about apple G5 sound in xubuntu
[16:10]  * lumpX can't seem to record anything atm
[16:10] <TheSheep> G5 is ppc?
[16:10] <lumpX> yeah
[16:10] <TheSheep> !ppc
[16:11] <TheSheep> there is #ubuntu-ppc
[16:11] <TheSheep> they may be able to help
[16:11] <lumpX> i have managed to get xubuntu 10.04 running on it
[16:11] <TheSheep> we are all Intel here
[16:11] <holstein> !sound too
[16:11] <holstein> !audio
[16:11] <holstein> should be similar
[16:11] <lumpX> but when ever I try and record, i get a crackle pop through the headphones and speakers and then nothin
[16:12] <holstein> alsa versions matter.. kernels too
[16:12] <holstein> i gave up on running a desktop on my ppc hardware years ago
[16:13] <lumpX> thanks holstein, i will look those links over
[16:13] <lumpX> and, yeah, it does seem a tad of a challenge to get nix on this old beast
[16:14] <lumpX> but now that it is installed, it does seem really fast compared to my other even more ancient hardware
[16:15] <holstein> i found it underwhelming.. and these days, when i can dig PC hardware of that vintage literally out of the trash, i tend to just go with what works
[16:16] <lumpX> well this one was basically such, traded an external drive for it
[16:16] <lumpX> so under 100$
[16:16] <holstein> thats how i got the G3 and G4 i used to play with.. i would expect support to get worse, not better
[16:18] <lumpX> i agree with you there but, for now, this is a hardware upgrade for my under employed butt
[16:19] <lumpX> and, worse case, (no recording) it will still make a great post production machine
[16:22] <lumpX> so nothing shows up with the "lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"" command
[16:23] <lumpX> but I can see sound cards and such in the mixer
[16:24] <holstein> try aplay -l
[16:24] <lumpX> all kinds of drivers show up for that command
[16:24] <lumpX> i am doing a purge and reinstall
[16:25] <lumpX> i might have borked it installing jack
[16:25] <lumpX> i wanted to see if the ppc would do realtime
[16:25] <lumpX> and it did not like it when i tried to run jack
[16:26] <lumpX> ntl, i will figure it out cause you guys are all brilliant and awesome
[16:27] <holstein> lumpX: i would not expect JACK to work well
[16:27] <holstein> lumpX: we dont make a kernel for PPC
[16:27] <holstein> lumpX: if you are getting crack/pops with JACK, relax the settings... set the latency *very* high
[16:27] <holstein> lumpX: try recording without jack.. with just pulse
[16:29] <lumpX> i have tried with and without pulse
[16:29] <lumpX> i usually exorcise pulse on my machines
[16:29] <lumpX> i have tried it with and with out pulse on this machine
[16:30] <holstein> lumpX: i said withouth *jack*
[16:30] <holstein> without*
[16:30] <holstein> lumpX: try without jack
[16:30] <lumpX> i will holstein I dunno if i will have time before they finish loading my truck
[16:30] <holstein> lumpX: ?
[16:30]  * lumpX hears the truck idling in the shop below
[16:31]  * lumpX is about to make a delivery run 
[16:31] <holstein> lumpX: well, feel free to come here whenever you want to solve you issues and one of the volunteers will help :)
[16:31] <lumpX> dropping off some stuff and picking up some stuff at an auction
[16:31] <holstein> lumpX: i say you are pushing JACK to hard.. and not having realistic expectations
[16:32] <lumpX> i know that holstein, you guys are really very helpful and i appreciate it
[16:32] <lumpX> i was rather doubtful about jack on this machine
[16:32] <holstein> i would remove JACK from the equation and simply record something
[16:32] <lumpX> as you said no ppc support
[16:32] <holstein> lumpX: JACK in pcc is going to be sketchy
[16:32] <lumpX> i will try that
[16:32] <holstein> lumpX: we dont have the lowlatency kernel for PPC
[16:32] <lumpX> can idjc work without jack?
[16:32] <holstein> lumpX: no one has ppc support anymore
[16:33] <holstein> lumpX: you dont need low latency to use idjc
[16:33] <holstein> lumpX: i would set the JACK settings *really* relaxed..and really high latency.. 90+ms and test
[16:33] <lumpX> yeah but will it work without jack
[16:33] <lumpX> i never tried it without jack
[16:33] <holstein> lumpX: i dont know... but that is not going to be a deal breaker anyway
[16:34] <lumpX> nope it won't
[16:35] <lumpX> jack is a required
[16:35] <lerner222> can anyone provide a link or instruct me on how to install applications. such as uTorrent and whatever else i might use? im new to linux file systems and im not understanding how to install executable applications.
[16:35] <lumpX> so looks like this is a post production box
[16:35] <lumpX> and tweaking it just got a whole lot simpler
[16:35] <holstein> lerner222: most software comes from the official repos
[16:35] <lumpX> thanks holstein
[16:36] <holstein> lerner222: if its a package someone else is providing, the usually have instructions
[16:36] <holstein> lerner222: there really is not, and cant be a definitive "how to install" for everything, since these cases are very specific to both the developer, and to the end users
[16:36] <lumpX> you all have a great day
[16:36] <holstein> lerner222: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[16:36] <lumpX> ttyl
[16:36] <lerner222> holstein: uTorrent website has a linux version. i downloaded and the files are in foldlers, but i dont know how to make it execute
[16:36]  * lumpX waves
[16:37] <holstein> lerner222: typically, i open a package manager, such as synaptic or the software center, and i search and i install
[16:37] <holstein> if what i want is not there, i search for a ppa
[16:37] <holstein> !ppa
[16:37] <lerner222> ok, thanks for the help
[16:38] <lerner222> you guys are much more kind and understanding then the population at 1am.
[16:38] <holstein> if i dont find one, i might search for a .deb at the developers site.. then i search for how the developer expects me to install
[16:38] <holstein> lerner222: some sites have specific install instructions for ubuntu, or .deb's right there
[16:39] <lerner222> so .deb is the common extension needed for executables then?
[16:40] <holstein> lerner222: i think you are looking for a equivalent to .exe in windows, and its not really that but similar
[16:40] <lerner222> ya, gotchya. thanks again. can you tell i came from windows? :)
[16:41] <torax> lerner222: just asking, why do you want to use utorrent?
[16:41] <holstein> lerner222: i would also remember why you are using utorrent.. its what you used in windows
[16:41] <holstein> maybe just try a native tool in ubuntu
[16:41] <lerner222> its always a default program i like to have for just about anything
[16:41] <holstein> http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=108146
[16:42] <holstein> lerner222: you can always open the software center and search "torrent" and find what is available by default
[16:42] <holstein> lerner222: i would try and relax a bit, and remeber that the first week you were using and getting used to using windows, you were not running utorrent
[16:43] <lerner222> good deal. its gonna be hard getting away from the default things im used to. i will probably be here finding ways. or searching the SC a lot
[16:43] <lerner222> ture
[16:43] <lerner222> *true
[16:43] <torax> lerner222: There is nothing wrong about using utorrent, but there are lot better alternatives, transmission for example. utorrent, at least the windows version, contains adware and possibly spyware
[16:43] <holstein> lerner222: you should see me on a windows box...
[16:44] <holstein> tranmission is very nice.. i like the web server setup
[16:44] <lerner222> lol
[16:44] <lerner222> transmission can be found in SC?
[16:44] <torax> yes
[16:44] <torax> actually it should be installed by default
[16:44] <holstein> lerner222: you can manager downloads or uploads in tranmission from a web browser on another machine.. very nice
[16:45] <holstein> torax: if you download and click on a torrent, doesnt it just offer to run transmission?
[16:45] <lerner222> very nice. can it be used remotely to find and begin downloads as well?
[16:45] <lerner222> ignore that, u just answered it
[16:47] <lerner222> im so unfamiliar with application names and what they do that xubuntu has transmission loaded stock on my version
[16:48] <holstein> lerner222: no worries.. again, remember how long it was til you found and used "disk defrag" in windows
[16:48] <torax> It is everybodys own business what software they use. I have trust issues with software that install toolbars and ads without asking. Im the guy with tinfoil hat but I dont want to push my "ideology" to others =)
[16:48] <lerner222> so long that it took a week for it to defrag lol
[16:48] <torax> Its a new system, takes some time to get used to it
[16:49] <torax> the way linux works differes from windows quite a lot, but in the end it is way more logical
[16:49] <lerner222> im getting that. i think i've been brainwashed by windows
[16:50] <holstein> yup... also, test things live lerner222 ... as much as possible.. throw in the live CD and break that live setup.. reboot, and nothing is broken
[16:50] <lerner222> good point
[16:50] <holstein> lerner222: make a user called "test" and try configuring things there first (that a good tip for windows too)
[16:50] <lerner222> do you have any experience  running ubuntu or similar on android phone?
[16:51] <holstein> lerner222: run an instance in virtualbox and test install things.. test upgrades.. whatever
[16:51] <holstein> lerner222: i have only used android on android phones so far..
[16:52] <lerner222> im excited to see the "ubuntu for android" official mobile OS
[16:52] <lerner222> anticipation sucks
[16:53] <lerner222> do u know of a way to enable my "disable touchpad" option? i use a BT mouse and always brush the pad w/ my thumbs and its SO annoying
[16:54] <lerner222> found it, nevermind. thanks again for the info. much abliged
[16:55] <holstein> lerner222: cheers!
[17:09] <norbert79> good evening
[17:09] <norbert79> No idea if you have ever bumped into this, but after installing Xubuntu 12.10 to encrypted FS and LVM after the successful install it won't boot
[17:10] <norbert79> it just gets stuck and drops me to initramfs
[17:10] <norbert79> making a remark that my lvm doesn't exist and can't start, drops me to a shell
[17:10] <norbert79> anyone any ideas what I might missing
[17:12] <norbert79> the method for installing is : /boot seperate, unencrypted. targets are: 1 encrypted volume , inside 1 VG with 3 LV's: /home / and swap
[17:13] <norbert79> it's12.10 amd64
[17:18] <holstein> norbert79: i have seen that when i had bad hardware
[17:18] <norbert79> holstein: Would wonder me as it's a brand new laptop
[17:19] <norbert79> with a fully working HDD
[17:19] <norbert79> so we can exclude hardware failure
[17:19] <vitimiti> o/
[17:21] <holstein> norbert79: is it?.. new hard drives are able to fail too.. they all will
[17:21] <norbert79> holstein: Yes, it is working well.
[17:21] <holstein> norbert79: you can exclude the hardware failure when you like, but i test, then exlude personally
[17:21] <holstein> norbert79: we hardware is *often* bad
[17:22] <norbert79> Skip on tha hardware part, will you? I can guarantee you it's working
[17:22] <holstein> norbert79: nope.. but maybe one of the other volunteers can help you, and "assume" you tested the hardware
[17:22] <norbert79> You aren't really helping here
[17:22] <holstein> otherwise, you can look into the iso download
[17:22] <holstein> !md5
[17:22] <norbert79> Did
[17:22] <holstein> or grub
[17:22] <holstein> !grub
[17:23] <norbert79> why don't you test it yourself?
[17:23] <norbert79> With a VM
[17:23] <norbert79> it seems the installer itself is faulty
[17:23] <holstein> norbert79: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD you can try the minimal iso's and see if you can get an install booting as you want and add what you like
[17:24] <norbert79> holstein: Sorry, but you are treating me like a rookie, sorry, not your regular user here
[17:24] <norbert79> Check the installer, it goes into a fault after a luks+lvm install
[17:24] <norbert79> after the first reboot
[17:24] <holstein> norbert79: cool.. good luck.. i ned to run.. enjoy!
[17:24] <bazhang> norbert79, lose the attitude
[17:24] <holstein> need*
[17:24] <norbert79> bazhang: really? is this really a support?
[17:24] <norbert79> bazhang: I don't think so
[17:24] <bazhang> norbert79, its volunteer.
[17:25] <norbert79> Yeah, I can see that
[17:25] <holstein> norbert79: im on my way out the door, but im sure someone can help you.. or, i will be glad to help you more and actually try the iso you tried in VM later
[17:25] <bazhang> so enough with the complaints/accusations
[17:25] <norbert79> holstein: The issue is that I wouldn't ask if I would know the answer and I need to deliver
[17:25] <norbert79> otherwise i wouldn't be here
[17:26] <holstein> norbert79: i might go for a simpler setup, or try the minimal iso's i linked to get setup from a different installer (if you would ike to take the installer out of the euquation)
[17:26] <norbert79> chrooting doesn't help either, everything seems fine, it's like luks would be misssing from the initramfs
[17:27] <holstein> norbert79: but, i must leave.. i have to drive across town, and i oppoligize for anything that i have done or am doing that you are finding offensive
[17:28] <holstein> norbert79: you can also try the installer specific support channels, or main ubuntu.. since this should be not specific to xubuntu
[17:28] <norbert79> holstein: unfortuantely it seems it is, regular Ubuntu works, but Xubuntu is the way the client wants to go
[17:28] <norbert79> Which i can understand
[17:28] <norbert79> but since specific settings are necessary which Xubuntu can handle during install
[17:28] <norbert79> but not after reboot
[17:29] <norbert79> makes me wonder
[17:29] <holstein> norbert79: then install, and *then* install xfce, or xubuntu-desktop
[17:29] <holstein> xubuntu is ubuntu
[17:29] <norbert79> not really in the mood for cleaning up the mess
[17:29] <holstein> then try the minimal and add what you like
[17:29] <norbert79> apt-get purge hell is not really something I wish to do :9
[17:29] <norbert79> minimal, well, I could try, still, it's very weird
[17:39] <norbert79> Question: Why does the installer remove ecryptfs-utils after the install and can it cause the system not booting properly? I mean it's not even asking for the LUKS password for my volumes
[17:39] <norbert79> Plymouth gets just stuck
[18:29] <tmewett> hey
[18:29] <tmewett> is there anywhere i can find a list of the pre-installed apps shipped with xubuntu?
[18:31] <tmewett> no?
[18:32] <skellat> tmewett: Hold on a sec
[18:32] <skellat> tmewett: Which version were you thinking of?
[18:32] <tmewett> the latest, preferably
[18:33] <tmewett> i am indecisive about which linux distro to switch to
[18:33] <tmewett> this would help greatly
[18:33] <skellat> Where are you currently now?
[18:33] <skellat> In terms of distro, that is
[18:33] <tmewett> i'm running windows right now, if that's what you mean
[18:34] <skellat> Okay
[18:34] <tmewett> but currently i am thinking of either xubuntu or lubuntu
[18:34] <skellat> What apps in particular are you focused on?
[18:36] <skellat> Alrighty, here's the page for Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/tour/ and here's the page for Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
[18:37] <recon_lap> tmewett: make a live usb and try them out
[18:37] <norbert79> be reminded, that these come out-of-the-box, you can also add any other application through the software center
[18:37] <tmewett> yes, i am aware of that
[18:37] <skellat> On any fresh install I usually toss Abiword and Gnumeric for LibreOffice instead
[18:38] <tmewett> ok
[18:38] <tmewett> and, any words on Xfce as a DM?
[18:38] <norbert79> Xubuntu is XFCE
[18:38] <tmewett> or should i just live boot? ^-^
[18:38] <norbert79> yeah, easier
[18:38] <tmewett> haha, fair enough
[18:39] <skellat> I use Xfce and my parents use LXDE.  Xfce is great and I enjoy using it.
[18:39] <norbert79> make up your own mind by taking a look
[18:39] <tmewett> ok, well thanks for the help guys
[18:39] <norbert79> I use XFCE as Mate isn't that perfect yet, and still comes close as Gnome2 alternative
[18:39] <skellat> tmewett: You're welcome.  Have a great day
[18:40] <tmewett> likewise :)
[19:00] <SnoStorm> Can anyone help with a startup issue?
[19:01] <SnoStorm> I have 12.04 and it is getting stuck right after "checking battery state"
[19:01] <SnoStorm> battery state is okay and then just stops there
[19:03] <norbert79> SnoStorm: Did you try using the lappy from regular power supply?
[19:04] <norbert79> try doing that, if it gets stuck again, then it's not something related to your battery
[19:05] <SnoStorm> trying right now......
[19:06] <SnoStorm> Still stops....
[19:06] <norbert79> well, we can exclude that at least
[19:06] <norbert79> did you try checking for filesystem errors?
[19:07] <SnoStorm> any help with that... pretty noob with anything linux and its the only thing that fits on this
[19:07] <norbert79> well, I assume you have a working PC otherwise you won't be online
[19:07] <SnoStorm> yes
[19:08] <norbert79> so basically your system won't boot at all
[19:08] <SnoStorm> correct
[19:08] <norbert79> does your system have encrypted filesystems or did you install it as regular?
[19:08] <SnoStorm> regular
[19:08] <norbert79> What OS do you use atm?
[19:09] <SnoStorm> xubuntu 12.04
[19:09] <norbert79> No, on your working PC
[19:09] <SnoStorm> oh windows 7
[19:09] <norbert79> I assume you could create a Live USB
[19:09] <norbert79> otherwise you won't have ubuntu installed
[19:09] <norbert79> xubuntu
[19:09] <SnoStorm> yeah or i have it on a cd
[19:09] <norbert79> nice, you should boot that as start
[19:10] <norbert79> we will need it for the fs check
[19:10] <SnoStorm> okay its all loaded up
[19:10] <SnoStorm> check disk for defects?
[19:11] <norbert79> You can do that, no idea if it checks the CD-ROM itself or the hard drives too
[19:11] <norbert79> I would skip that though
[19:11] <norbert79> the lappy has the Xubuntu installed only, right?
[19:11] <SnoStorm> already ran it lol...... shouldn't take long i think it was for the disc and not the hard disk
[19:13] <SnoStorm> alright
[19:13] <SnoStorm> yes only xubuntu
[19:13] <norbert79> ok, start the live
[19:13] <SnoStorm> it doesn't have live
[19:13] <SnoStorm> it has
[19:13] <SnoStorm> install
[19:13] <SnoStorm> check disc
[19:13] <SnoStorm> test memory
[19:14] <SnoStorm> boot from first hard disk
[19:14] <norbert79> You are using the alternate installer... eh, damn
[19:14] <SnoStorm> or rescue a broken system
[19:14] <SnoStorm> yeah i only have a 4gb hard drive in this little thing
[19:14] <SnoStorm> ssd
[19:14] <norbert79> the easiest way would be using a Live CD with terminal
[19:14] <norbert79> like Systemrescuecd or anything small
[19:15] <norbert79> or you could install Xubuntu live to a pendrive using unetbootin
[19:15] <norbert79> unetbootin.sf.net
[19:15] <SnoStorm> what if i try the rescue a broken system option
[19:15] <norbert79> go for it, never used it :)
[19:19] <SnoStorm> I think this happened with some other distros but i forgot how i fixed it
[19:19] <SnoStorm> but it always seemed like after i installed updates
[19:19] <norbert79> interesting
[19:20] <SnoStorm> alright i got to a menu with a lot of options
[19:21] <SnoStorm> "choose the next step in the install process"
[19:21] <SnoStorm> one of them is "install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"
[19:21] <SnoStorm> trying to find relevant ones
[19:21] <norbert79> use check filesystem
[19:22] <SnoStorm> not an option
[19:22] <norbert79> open a terminal?
[19:23] <SnoStorm> nope
[19:23] <SnoStorm> there is a continue with rescue
[19:24] <SnoStorm> and then that asks me which device to use as a root file system
[19:25] <SnoStorm> sda1, sda2, sda5, assemble RAID arrray, do not use a root file system
[19:26] <SnoStorm> any of those options?
[19:26] <norbert79> sda1 probably, not sure
[19:27] <SnoStorm> i think thats what my root system was on....
[19:28] <SnoStorm> execute a shell in /dev/sda1, execute a shell in the installer environment, reinstall GRUB boot loader
[19:28] <norbert79> second
[19:29] <SnoStorm> installer environment?
[19:29] <norbert79> yes
[19:29] <SnoStorm> okay
[19:29] <SnoStorm> gives me a prompt
[19:30] <SnoStorm> Busybox v1.18.5 enter "help" for a list of built in commands
[19:30] <norbert79> "mount"
[19:30] <norbert79> check if any /dev/sda is mounted
[19:31] <SnoStorm> sda1 on /target type ext4
[19:31] <norbert79> umount /dev/sda1
[19:32] <norbert79> fsck /dev/sda*
[19:34] <SnoStorm> device is busy
[19:36] <norbert79> did you umount it?
[19:36] <SnoStorm> thats what happens when i umount
[19:38] <SnoStorm> Should I just reinstall?
[19:38] <SnoStorm> i'm reading a lot has to do with video drivers
[19:38] <SnoStorm> and nvidia updating with update manager
[19:38] <SnoStorm> but i'm pretty sure i don't have any nvidia gpus
[19:48] <SnoStorm> is there any way to boot without graphics drivers?
[19:52] <SnoStorm> I can get into the recovery menu but when I go to umount or anything it says the the file system is read only
[20:18] <SnoStorm> nobert79 i fixed it by removing one of the programs I installed this morning
[20:50] <vitimiti> hallo
[21:13] <Goliat> Hi! I'm having some trouble with the audio on my laptop. My  volume controls are stuck on my hdmi output and i can't change it to my speakers. So I have to adjust the volume in pulseaudio at the moment. I've tried to change it but pulseaudio seems to be stubborn on my laptop.
[21:25] <recon_lap> Goliat: have you changed "configuration" in sound settings
[21:27] <Goliat> recon_lap: you mean in pulseaudio?
[21:31] <recon_lap> Goliat: no, in the volume control of the indicator plugin
[21:31] <recon_lap> best i can describe it without finding the bin.
[21:35] <Goliat> recon_lap: the sounds settings in the indicator plugin just takes me to the pulseaudio volume control that i can find in the xfce menu -> multimedia
[21:37] <ochosi> Goliat: there is a tab called "configuration" in pavucontrol (which is the pulseaudio-volume control that xubuntu uses by default)
[21:37] <recon_lap> Goliat: so have you changed  "configuration" ?
[21:38] <recon_lap> ochosi: thats the name i was looking for pavucontrol :)
[21:38] <ochosi> recon_lap: np ;)
[21:40] <Goliat> recon_lap: You mean change the profiles in the configuration tab?
[21:40] <recon_lap> Goliat: yes, that probably why it's stuck on hdmi
[21:44] <Goliat> recon_lap: I only started looking in there when the speaker control stopped working. I just turned them on and off. The only thing I remember changing in pulseaudio before that is that I had to change which output is set as fallback because I got audio sent to the hdmi.
[21:45] <Goliat> when I changed the fallback I got sound to the speakers but after that the media keys stopped functioning.
[21:52] <recon_lap> Goliat: cant think of anything , sry
[21:53] <Goliat> recon_lap: no worries :)  I'm getting used to all the troubles this laptop gives me with linux, dell is not good with linux :p
[21:54] <Goliat> the only other thing Iv'e thought about doing is to install a different volume manager.
[21:55] <recon_lap> Goliat: only other cmd i use fault finding sound is alsamixer
[21:56] <Goliat> recon_lap: where can I find alsamixer?
[21:56] <recon_lap> Goliat: the command line
[22:01] <Goliat> recon_lap: the alsamixer seems to control the speakers and I can select interface.
[22:03] <recon_lap> Goliat: that it does.
[22:04] <Goliat> so I can at least control the volume in an easier way than with pulseaudio
[22:04] <Goliat> I just need to run a terminal :p
[22:04] <recon_lap> Goliat: well you could fix your function keys
[22:06] <Goliat> recon_lap: yeah but how? some script using alsa to change the volume instead?
[22:14] <recon_lap> Goliat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949210 the most relevant i can find, I think
[22:18] <recon_lap> Goliat: reply #3 seems the quickest way
[22:24] <Goliat> recon_lap: nothings happens with mute. I't notifies that the audio is muted but nothing happens
[22:24] <recon_lap> Goliat: well, where you listing to anything!!!
[22:25] <Goliat> Yes, Im playing a clip on youtube, they wont shut up.
[22:26] <Goliat> I also tried the lower volume command and it does the same, notifies that it is lower the volume but it isnt.
[22:27] <recon_lap> Goliat: you test with youtube!!!!!!
[22:27] <recon_lap> Goliat: but I'm out of ideas then
[22:28] <Goliat> yes? Is there a deathpenalty for that? :s
[22:33] <Goliat> recon_lap: Ok. I tried with gmusicbrowser also, the same there. But atleast I can use alsamixer. It's much better than pulseaudio.
[22:36] <Goliat> recon_lap: But thanks for your help. My situation is atleast better than before :)
[23:45] <earthling_> hi, I was wondering what is the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu in terms of occasional program updates?
[23:45] <Unit193> Same exact repos.
[23:46] <earthling_> repository is where all the software is?
[23:46] <earthling_> and updates?
[23:47] <Unit193> That's the software, yep.  Now, as the default applications differ, may update differently.
[23:48] <earthling_> I see
[23:50] <earthling_> I wonder if xubuntu will stay with XFCE or go to Unity
[23:51] <Unit193> ...The X in Xubuntu is Xfce, it "didn't go" to gnome when Ubuntu had that, nothing has changed since then.
[23:51] <earthling_> are there any limitations of xfce?
[23:52] <earthling_> compared with ubuntu/unity
[23:52] <earthling_> just different styles of doing things?
[23:56] <earthling_> I've been trying different live usbs
[23:56] <Unit193> They are different, I haven't used Unity so I don't know how they compare.
[23:56] <earthling_> messed up my laptop a bit, so I need to backup all my stuff now just in case
[23:58] <wapiflapi> hi
[23:59] <wapiflapi> Any way to make xubuntu work with two monitors? I'dd like to be able to switch workspaces independently on each one, is that possible ?