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| mrafcho001 | I'm having an issue with the python-qt4 package. It wont install due to dependency on sip-api-8.1, which seems to be some kind of a virtual package provided by python-sip... which is already installed. Does anyone know whats going on? | 00:46 |
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| sbivol | mrafcho001: which Kubuntu version and PyQt4 version? | 00:50 |
| mrafcho001 | Kubuntu 12.10 and the package is python-qt4 (4.9.3-4) | 00:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | mrafcho001: do you get an error on apt-get update ? | 00:51 |
| mrafcho001 | ovidiu-florin: I do not | 00:52 |
| sbivol | mrafcho001: I have the same setup as you, with python-sip 4.13.3-2 | 00:52 |
| mrafcho001 | I have same version installed as well | 00:53 |
| sbivol | if you haven't forced any package installation, there should be no problem at all | 00:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | in case you have a dependency problem try apt-get -f install | 00:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | it shoul install any missing dependencies | 00:55 |
| mrafcho001 | On a closer look I see I have version 4.14-5~exp1... hmm | 00:55 |
| sbivol | mrafcho001: maybe you used some PPA to install a newer version of the package | 00:56 |
| mrafcho001 | How can I tell which PPA is the origin of the package? | 00:57 |
| yofel | mrafcho001: apt-cache policy <package> | 00:59 |
| sbivol | yofel: nice! | 01:01 |
| mrafcho001 | oh how interesting, I think the software I'm trying to install (Calibre) is the one thats breaking everything, since the 4.14-5~exp1 package originates from there, yet it breaks python-qt4 which is required by Calibre. | 01:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | yofel: I should remember that command :D thank's | 01:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | mrafcho001: how are you installing calibre? | 01:02 |
| mrafcho001 | ovidiu-florin: PPA... ppa:n-muench/calibre | 01:03 |
| yofel | mrafcho001: tell the PPA owner that he can't just backport SIP, he needs to rebuild everything that uses it | 01:03 |
| mrafcho001 | yofel: meanwhile, any way to remove all packages from that PPA? | 01:04 |
| yofel | (which IIRC is only python-qt) | 01:04 |
| yofel | ppa-purge can do that | 01:04 |
| ovidiu-florin | yofel: can you give an example of that command? | 01:04 |
| yofel | uh, I think it's just ppa-purge ppa:owner/ppa | 01:05 |
| yofel | haven't used it in a long time | 01:05 |
| ovidiu-florin | and that restores all changed packages to the version they were before the ppa waas added? | 01:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | or removed? | 01:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | I mean removes the packages from that ppa? | 01:06 |
| yofel | " This script provides a bash shell script capable of automatically downgrading all packages in a given PPA back to the ubuntu versions." | 01:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | what about the paackages that aren't in the ubuntu ppa's? and that were added from that ppa? | 01:08 |
| mrafcho001 | yofel: I just tried, it and it did not downgrade my python-sip. I ended up manually purging it. | 01:09 |
| yofel | ovidiu-florin: I don't know | 01:09 |
| mrafcho001 | more interestingly, it did not disable the PPA... I was able to install calibre without re-adding the PPA | 01:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | calibre is in the official ubuntu repos | 01:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | or in the partner, I don't know exactly | 01:10 |
| mrafcho001 | ovidiu-florin: Good catch! | 01:11 |
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| mij | When I connect an external ntfs USB HD, at the very moment I open it with dolphin, the process "mount.ntfs" jumps to 100% IO usage according to "iotop". Is the whole drive being read? and how to avoid this? in ubuntu this problem did not happen with the same laptop / usb hd | 02:49 |
| mij | ok, turns out it was nepomuk! | 02:54 |
| KimLaroux | yeah, nepomuk can go crazy when connecting a USB drive | 02:56 |
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| RadSurfer | Does anyone know how to clear the "authorization" data when trying to access a file-share folder? | 07:06 |
| RadSurfer | If you key in wrong thing, it doesn't seem to let you ERASE it... | 07:06 |
| gnomefreak | RadSurfer: change owner, but IIRC you need the paswrd to unlock it and change ownershio of file | 07:08 |
| RadSurfer | What file? | 07:08 |
| RadSurfer | I just want to delete/reset all data for that "authorization" dialog box for that particular file-share | 07:08 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 07:09 |
| RadSurfer | Using Dolphin to drag/drop files; but data that went into initial"Authorization" was all wrong | 07:09 |
| RadSurfer | now its hung up and won't work... so there must be a way to ERASE that wrong entrys | 07:09 |
| RadSurfer | Does anyone know what I'm talking about? & how to fix this? | 07:11 |
| user94202 | how do i delete autologin and passwords for websites in Konqueror? | 07:16 |
| user94202 | it keeps logging into ebay with my password. I want to delete that. | 07:16 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bookmarks shows up in the kmenu and krunner, how do i distable that | 07:48 |
| tsimpson | phoenix_firebrd: right click the kmenu icon, click on Application Launcher Menu Settings, deselect the Bookmarks option. similar for krunner, click the settings icon on the far left, deselect Bookmarks | 07:52 |
| soapee01 | anyone else seeing X go NUTS and warnings about lsb_release not found even though it exists. Especially X though at 100%? | 07:57 |
| phoenix_firebrd | tsimpson: there is no such option as Application Launcher Menu Settings, there is one called Application Launcher settings, but that doesn't contain options for bookmarks. The krunner solution works | 07:58 |
| tsimpson | phoenix_firebrd: ah, you have the newfangled Launcher, I don't think you can stop it from searching bookmarks there (at least I don't know of one) | 07:59 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: 100% of what? | 07:59 |
| phoenix_firebrd | tsimpson: oops, sorry i should have told you first, i am using kde 4.9.97 | 08:00 |
| tsimpson | phoenix_firebrd: yeah, but there are 2 launchers available and I use the "Classic Menu Style" | 08:01 |
| soapee01 | phoenix_firebird. I have an 8 core 16gb machine that becomes unusable after 3 days. X goes nuts one one core. | 08:02 |
| tsimpson | like the old kmenu | 08:02 |
| phoenix_firebrd | tsimpson: oh | 08:02 |
| soapee01 | machine is alive via ssh phoneix_firebird; however graphics, not so much. | 08:02 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: kubuntu version? | 08:02 |
| phoenix_firebrd | tsimpson: any particular reason why they removed this option | 08:03 |
| phoenix_firebrd | ? | 08:03 |
| soapee01 | precise | 08:03 |
| soapee01 | but honestly kde4 has been massively unstable for me | 08:04 |
| soapee01 | kde 2 was much better and that was a piece of shit. | 08:04 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: using any propitiatory graphics driver? | 08:04 |
| soapee01 | oh fuck all that of course | 08:04 |
| soapee01 | this isn't 1999 | 08:04 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: also is the cpu overclocked? | 08:04 |
| soapee01 | no | 08:05 |
| soapee01 | i never do | 08:05 |
| FloodBotK1 | soapee01: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 08:05 |
| soapee01 | I'm not flooding damn bot | 08:05 |
| soapee01 | it's nvidia modest graphics | 08:05 |
| soapee01 | let me lspci | 08:05 |
| soapee01 | lspci | grep -i nvidia | 08:06 |
| soapee01 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) | 08:06 |
| soapee01 | lsmod |grep nv | 08:07 |
| soapee01 | nvidia 11283521 30 | 08:07 |
| soapee01 | it's not video though. it's CPU. | 08:07 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: do you know that we don't support proprietary stuff here | 08:07 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: proprietary driver could crash the xserver and that could lead to the cpu being high. | 08:08 |
| tsimpson | phoenix_firebrd: I don't think it was removed, it just never existed | 08:08 |
| soapee01 | phoenix_firebrd you know the proprietary drivers for nvidia are in the repos? | 08:09 |
| soapee01 | and you know that's not my fucking problem? | 08:09 |
| soapee01 | I've been using debian since potato. | 08:09 |
| soapee01 | this didn't happen on lucid (kde) on the same machine. | 08:09 |
| phoenix_firebrd | tsimpson: I am wondering how it could read my bookmarks from my chromium browser | 08:09 |
| soapee01 | but ubuntu does so much weird shit | 08:09 |
| soapee01 | on the desktop | 08:09 |
| soapee01 | it makes it really hard to track shit down. | 08:10 |
| Tm_T | soapee01: please calm down and cut the cursing | 08:10 |
| soapee01 | Tm_T I'm not upset honestly. | 08:11 |
| soapee01 | it's just an issue, and I'm profane. | 08:11 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: during installation of the proprietary stuff you should have come across a leagal notice that says canonical doesn't support it | 08:11 |
| Ab3L | soapee01: i've logged in too late and have an nvidia. could you make me up to date? can you remember me what is your problem? | 08:12 |
| soapee01 | phoenix_firebrd really? | 08:13 |
| soapee01 | that is not my problem. | 08:13 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: it is simple, uninstall the propitiatory driver and check and if the x crashes | 08:13 |
| soapee01 | honestly, if you don't know, don't offer advice phoenix_firebrd | 08:13 |
| soapee01 | it's not a driver issue | 08:14 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: its Nvidia's problem , you should consult them | 08:14 |
| Tm_T | soapee01: cut the attitude please | 08:14 |
| soapee01 | no, it isn't | 08:14 |
| soapee01 | it's not how the software works. | 08:14 |
| soapee01 | I see it on a laptop with nouvoue as well. | 08:15 |
| phoenix_firebrd | soapee01: If you had tested the system without the propitiatory driver and still the X crashes , then we can help you | 08:15 |
| soapee01 | x isn't crashing. | 08:15 |
| soapee01 | if it did, I'd have log files | 08:16 |
| soapee01 | it just goes to 100% cpu (on one core) | 08:16 |
| soapee01 | and it's irritating. I have to restart precise every few days like I did windows 98. | 08:17 |
| soapee01 | and I've been using Linux since 1999. This has been the most unstable release I've ever seen. | 08:17 |
| soapee01 | I'm also fighting an install on an IBM server (so says my client), but I'll believe that when I get KVM access. | 08:19 |
| copacetic | The display settings application does not save my changes past a reboot, how can I make it do this? | 08:26 |
| soapee01 | copacetic: idk for sure these days but it used to be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 08:34 |
| jussi | where do I find the actual files for the desktop backgrounds? | 09:43 |
| Peace- | jussi: ? | 09:53 |
| Peace- | you wanna know where are stored wallpapers ? | 09:53 |
| Peace- | locally or on the system | 09:53 |
| jussi | Peace-: I figured it, thanks | 10:02 |
| Peace- | jussi: ok | 10:03 |
| rork | one day someone will search for jussi's question and hit the irc logs hoping for an answer only to find out Jussi figgured it out... | 10:08 |
| jussi | rork: just because you lot are too slow :D | 10:13 |
| rork | it would be helpfull though if you could share the information ;) | 10:14 |
| jussi | I suppose: /usr/share/wallpapers | 10:20 |
| jussi | :) | 10:20 |
| Peace- | ~/.kde/share/wallpaper | 10:20 |
| Peace- | that is locally | 10:21 |
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| monia | salve | 11:35 |
| monia | !list | 11:37 |
| ubottu | monia: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». | 11:37 |
| rijack | for dual boot should i install windows or linux first? | 12:28 |
| lordievader | rijack: Windows first, Windows has the habit of overwriting Grub. | 12:30 |
| rijack | alright do i need to make part table before hand? | 12:31 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:31 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: hi | 12:31 |
| BluesKaj | Hi Peace- | 12:39 |
| sbivol | rijack: I usually install Win with it's boot and system partitions, then install Linux and partition the drive as I like | 12:40 |
| sbivol | rijack: but for my workflow, Windows in a virtual machine is more than enough | 12:41 |
| rijack | sbivol: thankyou | 12:57 |
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| bartar3d | hi all | 13:34 |
| monkeyjuice | hello bartar3d | 13:34 |
| bartar3d | hey, monkeyjuice, how are you? | 13:34 |
| monkeyjuice | not to bad , keeping warm | 13:35 |
| bartar3d | :-), I try to | 13:35 |
| bartar3d | I've ran into some sort of an issue here, concerning mounting drives.. | 13:36 |
| monkeyjuice | and what would that be | 13:37 |
| bartar3d | I've got my music collection on external drive, and even though the drive is auto-mounted on boot, no player seems to find it back, and I have to reselect the directory on each boot | 13:38 |
| bartar3d | same happens with callibre, when I start it, it seems not to be able to read the library, which also is on an external drive | 13:38 |
| bartar3d | they are mounted though | 13:38 |
| bartar3d | and accessible from dolphin | 13:38 |
| monkeyjuice | once you reselect it then it works fine? | 13:42 |
| bartar3d | yep | 13:42 |
| monkeyjuice | hmmm a bit strange | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | bartar3d, have you tried adding the drive to fstab or perhaps linking your external drive music folder to your /home/user dir | 13:42 |
| invariant | bartar3d, are you sure that's not a powersaving feature? | 13:42 |
| invariant | bartar3d, because mine does the same thing by design. | 13:42 |
| bartar3d | you mean, the powersaving feature invariant? | 13:43 |
| BluesKaj | bartar3d, ?? | 13:44 |
| invariant | bartar3d, to test this, start a terminal, go to the right directory and do ls. | 13:44 |
| invariant | bartar3d, if it returns an answer immediately, then calibre should also work. | 13:44 |
| invariant | bartar3d, you can tell BluesKaj that he has me on ignore. | 13:45 |
| invariant | bartar3d, if it doesn't you know that while mounted, it's just in power-saving mode. (this is a hardware feature) | 13:45 |
| bartar3d | ok, BluesKaj, you seem to have invariant on ignore... | 13:46 |
| bartar3d | ok, well the drive does shut down automagically after the computer is shut down, but it does start again too when I start the computer | 13:46 |
| bartar3d | I didn't have this problem on 12.04 | 13:47 |
| bartar3d | Now I'm on 12.10 | 13:47 |
| invariant | bartar3d, can you answer the experiment I devised? | 13:47 |
| invariant | bartar3d, GUI programs can do all kinds of things to hide reality in their efforts to make it easier for the user (that never works) | 13:48 |
| BluesKaj | ok , bartar3d , I'll backoff | 13:49 |
| bartar3d | invariant, well, right now it does show up imediatly, but I'd better check after a reboot | 13:49 |
| invariant | bartar3d, it has nothing to do with a reboot. | 13:50 |
| invariant | bartar3d, it has to do with a lack of diskactivity. | 13:50 |
| invariant | bartar3d, if you don't write anything to it for a few hours, it will go in sleep mode. | 13:50 |
| bartar3d | hmm, and how to keep it active? | 13:50 |
| invariant | bartar3d, it's still mounted, but any response will take a longer time (30 seconds or so) | 13:51 |
| bartar3d | no, that's not the problem, I'm sure | 13:51 |
| bartar3d | they were were persistent | 13:51 |
| invariant | bartar3d, simple: you execute the command while sleep 300; do touch /mnt/foo/bar; done | 13:51 |
| invariant | bartar3d, unless your hardware is broken, this is simply how it works. | 13:52 |
| invariant | bartar3d, calibre is not going to behave anything different from other applications. | 13:52 |
| bartar3d | then the only reason for my hardware to break, would have been the upgrade, which sounds not quite reasonable | 13:53 |
| invariant | bartar3d, which is why it's not a likely hypothesis. | 13:53 |
| invariant | bartar3d, in short... just look at the problem for some time. | 13:53 |
| invariant | bartar3d, you will either provide evidence contradicting what I said or you will see that I was right. | 13:54 |
| bartar3d | ok, maybe it's right, it sounds logical, sleep-mode.. but it does take quite a bit longer to wake pu | 13:55 |
| bartar3d | *up | 13:55 |
| bartar3d | and it must have been activated by a change in default configuration between 12.04 and 12.10 | 13:56 |
| BluesKaj | barbar , have you tried linking pertinent files to your ~/ | 14:01 |
| bartar3d | No BluesKaj, with my new info, I'll first test things a little, and then try out other solutions, now I need to get some things done | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | bartar3d, I added my external drive to fstab by finding the correct device with fdisk -l, then doing sudo blkid to copy the proper string to fstab like so ," UUID=34ab43d0-f91e-4c5e-8e61-c1ccc7306839 /media/External ext4 defaults 0 2 " ...without quotes of course | 14:12 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 14:22 |
| invariant | During boot, I see ................. when grub is supposed to show the bootmenu. How can I make it not show .......... and boot faster? | 14:30 |
| DarkSim | Hello! :) | 14:43 |
| DarkSim | First time to try KDE for me, hope it's good | 14:44 |
| invariant | DarkSim, which version are you running? | 14:45 |
| DarkSim | Ubuntu 12.04 | 14:45 |
| DarkSim | The thing that scared me from trying was that I heard it was a) slow and b) not so pretty | 14:46 |
| DarkSim | I've almost tried all DE's there are so I guess it's time to give KDE a roll | 14:47 |
| sbivol | DarkSim: you _really_ should give Kubuntu 12.10 a try, or even 13.04 if you feel adventurous. | 14:47 |
| DarkSim | It's hard to downgrade | 14:47 |
| DarkSim | last time I upgraded to 12.10 basically everything went crashing down on me | 14:47 |
| DarkSim | My BURG, applications, system crashes on everything | 14:48 |
| DarkSim | it was a complete mess | 14:48 |
| DarkSim | and I'm a newbie too so it's not that nice to troubleshoot literally the whole computer | 14:48 |
| DarkSim | So I've tried Unity, Xfce, Lxde, Pantheon and even Gnome 3 | 14:49 |
| DarkSim | Let's see if KDE is the miracle and wonder I've been hearing about recently ;) | 14:49 |
| DarkSim | I just wish something like KDE or Xfce could generally look like Unity or Gnome 3 when it comes to polish, because honestly, Gnome 3 looks gorgeous to me | 14:50 |
| DarkSim | I know, I know, people hate me for even considering Gnome 3 | 14:50 |
| DarkSim | Got a little freaked out since I had no start button or anything, thankfully I could find it lol | 14:53 |
| zedority | have you got kde installed now? | 14:55 |
| sbivol | DarkSim: Take yout time, head to IRC when you have a question, and you'll hopefully find the KDE experience very nice | 14:55 |
| DarkSim | sbivol, just a wonder, have you for instance seen the..I think it's called verify window | 14:55 |
| DarkSim | you know you start something and it asks for your password, root access and all that | 14:55 |
| DarkSim | have you seen that in Gnome 3, that window, the style and all? Can KDE achieve that? | 14:56 |
| sbivol | DarkSim: I've never used Gnome 3, since Gnome 2 I moved on to KDE | 14:57 |
| DarkSim | Yeah, but...let me fetch you a screenshot | 14:57 |
| ScottyK | Greetings! I saw that amarok 2.7 has been released. How long to you think it will be until it appears in the regular repos for 12.10? | 14:58 |
| sbivol | ScottyK: I think it's been packaged for kubuntu already, try looking for a PPA, like this one: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta | 15:02 |
| yofel | sbivol, ScottyK: wait | 15:02 |
| yofel | that has the amarok beta + kde 4.10 rc2 | 15:03 |
| yofel | ScottyK: 2.7 can be found in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports | 15:03 |
| ScottyK | Is using programs from the backports "safe", or is it reasonably stable? | 15:04 |
| yofel | maybe not completely safe, but reasonably stable | 15:05 |
| ScottyK | ok, i'll give it a try. thanks! | 15:06 |
| sbivol | ScottyK: I use pre-release versions of KDE for my main computer (even today I upgraded via http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu), and it never lets me down. the Kubuntu packagers do a great job. | 15:07 |
| yofel | sbivol: please NEVER mention the staging PPA outside -devel. It's not meant for public use | 15:09 |
| sbivol | yofel: sorry, I'll keep in mind. | 15:09 |
| yofel | (we keep work-in-progress packages there, if you use it while we work on them it's likely that you'll break your system) | 15:10 |
| invariant | They are keeping all the working versions for themselves!! | 15:11 |
| sbivol | yofel: I've used KDE 4.0. A system can never be more „work in progress” than that :-) | 15:12 |
| yofel | well, true. Let's rather say that you loose warranty by using it ^^ | 15:13 |
| DarkSim | wtf is up with KDE forcing me to have some random web browser on my taskbar? | 15:14 |
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| DarkSim | rekonq | 15:14 |
| yofel | DarkSim: uh, you can always remove the launcher | 15:14 |
| DarkSim | I do, but it comes back | 15:14 |
| yofel | o.O | 15:14 |
| yofel | now that shouldn't happen | 15:15 |
| DarkSim | As soon as I make a change in Task Manager Settings | 15:15 |
| DarkSim | it just pops back up | 15:15 |
| invariant | DarkSim, if you use 12.04 without any updates, like the backports, that's a bad idea. | 15:15 |
| DarkSim | Like in Windows 7 when it's pinned to the taskbar for quick launch | 15:15 |
| DarkSim | I'm not using a backport | 15:15 |
| DarkSim | I just use the latest 12.04 | 15:15 |
| yofel | yeah, but removing the launcher isn't supposed to bring it back | 15:15 |
| invariant | DarkSim, then do so immediately. | 15:15 |
| yofel | invariant: 4.8 is still supposed to work right | 15:16 |
| invariant | yofel, do you backport all fixes? | 15:16 |
| DarkSim | It also randomly puts two windows together on top of each other on the taskbar as well | 15:16 |
| DarkSim | So much problem within the first minutes, sigh | 15:16 |
| yofel | invariant: well, it has the fixes that are in 4.8.5 + some cherry-picked ones. Of course not everything that's in 4.9 | 15:17 |
| invariant | DarkSim, for your own health, go with the above referred backports repo. | 15:17 |
| yofel | DarkSim: ok, *that* is kind a known issue (on some systems) | 15:18 |
| yofel | *kind of | 15:18 |
| yofel | 4.9 might help there. Not sure as I don't use the default task manager | 15:18 |
| DarkSim | Bit sad it coughs up so many problems all at once | 15:18 |
| DarkSim | no other DM has given me these kind of problems that fast | 15:18 |
| invariant | DarkSim, we already know how much it sucked in 4.8. | 15:20 |
| invariant | Or rather, I know. yofel needs some convincing. | 15:21 |
| * yofel didn't say that 4.9 doesn't work better | 15:21 | |
| invariant | I don't quite get this attitude where stable software is more buggy. | 15:22 |
| DarkSim | I'm not accusing anyone | 15:22 |
| invariant | It's as if developers have no confidence that later versions are not superior to previous versions. | 15:22 |
| invariant | If you don't believe in yourself, why should anyone else do that then? | 15:22 |
| DarkSim | I'm sorry, ok | 15:23 |
| yofel | I think he's talking to me | 15:23 |
| invariant | I also run Debian Stable still on some desktop system, but it's quite unbearable. | 15:24 |
| BluesKaj | DarkSim, it's not you , just ignore the and don't feed the troll | 15:24 |
| DarkSim | Cant I bind the start button to Meta/Super? | 15:24 |
| yofel | well, that has 4.4 IIRC - which *is* old (has a working kdepim suite though) | 15:24 |
| DarkSim | I don't want to mash half my keyboard to bring up the start menu | 15:24 |
| invariant | yofel, I don't use KDE on that machine. | 15:24 |
| yofel | DarkSim: you'll need to use meta/super+some_other_key | 15:25 |
| yofel | DarkSim: in KDE meta/super is just a modifier, not a shortcut by itself | 15:25 |
| DarkSim | That's not good :/ | 15:25 |
| invariant | DarkSim, because of some silly technical excuse which KDE developers make your windows key cannot be used to bring up the start menu. | 15:25 |
| invariant | They say that because QT simply doesn't work like that, that they don't support it. | 15:26 |
| DarkSim | :/ | 15:26 |
| invariant | However, QT is open-source and they control the whole operating system. | 15:26 |
| invariant | This is #kubuntu afterall. | 15:26 |
| invariant | Meanwhile, I am the troll according to BluesKaj... | 15:27 |
| yofel | kubuntu tries to stick to KDE for such things (even if I agree that it's annoying) | 15:27 |
| invariant | yofel, I wonder why.... | 15:27 |
| invariant | yofel, perhaps because they have no idea about software development? | 15:28 |
| invariant | yofel, the Kubuntu people, that is. | 15:28 |
| DarkSim | Can I add a caption to the start button as well? | 15:28 |
| yofel | invariant: I'm a kubuntu-dev myself. We simply try to stick to KDE as soon as possible - randomly patching KDE is already done by other distros | 15:28 |
| yofel | *as close as | 15:28 |
| invariant | yofel, there are lots of alternative designs possible too to make it easy to use the start menu with the keyboard. | 15:29 |
| invariant | Perhaps you are busy fixing all the bugs you have introduced before. | 15:29 |
| yofel | sticking close to kde has the advantage of being able to blame them for most of those, but we're a small enough team that we're busy even without trying to track down every single bug we see | 15:31 |
| DarkSim | So far KDE looks better than I expected, but it's customization is mildly speaking a pain, worth noting | 15:31 |
| john__ | Good day! Somebody please take a look at this screenshots of KDE 4.10 B1: | 15:32 |
| john__ | http://imgur.com/a/QS5Gs | 15:32 |
| john__ | See the transparency glitches? | 15:32 |
| john__ | This is from kubuntu 13.04 | 15:32 |
| john__ | expected or should I report a bug? | 15:33 |
| yofel | john__: 13.04 support is in #ubuntu+1, but the only system I'M seing that on is a 12.04 VM (kvm) running 4.9.97 - all other systems are fine. | 15:34 |
| BluesKaj | john__, there's a large update/upgrade in the works today , have you done so yet ? | 15:35 |
| john__ | yes, seems so, minutes ago | 15:35 |
| john__ | distro-upgrade | 15:35 |
| BluesKaj | john__, also 13.04 support is at #ubuntu+1 | 15:35 |
| DarkSim | I have a general idea of most DE's now | 15:36 |
| DarkSim | It's hard to pick a favorite | 15:36 |
| john__ | okay, tkx | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | I was missing some toolbar and menu options before the upgrade and they're restored now | 15:37 |
| yofel | DarkSim: from my experience one ends up picking the one that gets in the way the least when working | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | john__, ^ so there may be some otherfixes that may affect you but unfortunately a reboot is required | 15:38 |
| DarkSim | I know people want me to die in a fire, but Gnome 3 has given me the most pleasant experience yet | 15:39 |
| DarkSim | The biggest surprise really | 15:39 |
| DarkSim | Xfce is the best DE for pure Windows-ish workstyle and is very blunt, not that beautiful | 15:39 |
| DarkSim | KDE comes close, but I still like Xfce just a little itty bitty bit more | 15:40 |
| DarkSim | Cinnamon is really cool, but it crashes ALL the time | 15:40 |
| ScottyK | my 7 year old son is a big fan of KDE. On his side of the kid's computer, he has his desktop loaded with widgets.. | 15:41 |
| DarkSim | All my opinions, so I respect your disrespect | 15:41 |
| DarkSim | If I could create something which looks like Gnome 3 in KDE it would be a instant win, because I like customization, but the general layout and polish on the UI which Gnome 3 is just so.. wow | 15:43 |
| DarkSim | my mouse just locked, brilliant | 15:44 |
| jimbob6996 | LOL | 15:44 |
| jimbob6996 | sometimes you can unlock it with the exc key | 15:45 |
| jimbob6996 | but not often | 15:45 |
| OerHeks | gnome-issue, i guess | 15:46 |
| jimbob6996 | not sure about it being a gnome issue | 15:48 |
| BluesKaj | <old windows guy , prefer the familiarity KDE gives me | 15:48 |
| jimbob6996 | it's been happening to me off and on since the upgrade to 12.10 | 15:49 |
| jimbob6996 | though I've narrowed it down to when the priview image comes up with a mouse over | 15:50 |
| BluesKaj | BBL, gotta push some snow | 16:33 |
| jimbob6996 | snow :O | 16:41 |
| insanitywolf | has anyone tried kubuntu in samsung ativ smart pc pro? | 16:47 |
| soee | what is the command to edit text file inside terminal ? | 16:48 |
| Kottizen | soee: nano <file> | 16:50 |
| jimbob6996 | to end text file? | 16:54 |
| jimbob6996 | are you talking about exit? | 16:54 |
| soee | Kottizen, thank you | 16:57 |
| jimbob6996 | and kubuntu 13.04 is available for DL too | 17:11 |
| Tm_T | jimbob6996: there's no Kubuntu 13.04 yet | 17:16 |
| riccardone | Tm_T : No, the official 13.04 will be released on April 2013 | 17:17 |
| Tm_T | riccardone: indeed | 17:17 |
| jimbob6996 | it's still in beta | 17:17 |
| jimbob6996 | oops alpha :)) | 17:18 |
| riccardone | yeah, it's in alpha release | 17:21 |
| DarkSim | Kubuntu locked my mouse so I had to log out, smooth :/ | 17:23 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | raring ringtail | 17:24 |
| riccardone | instead my wireless mouse go wrong ... | 17:24 |
| Wizard | I don't even know the meaning of "raring" and "ringtail" | 17:24 |
| Wizard | :P | 17:24 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | make sure the batteries are good | 17:24 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | the new ubuntu code name | 17:25 |
| DarkSim | I think he meant the words as a definition | 17:26 |
| Wizard | I know it's the code name. I just don't understand the words :D | 17:26 |
| Wizard | Exactly. | 17:26 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | ring tail is what they used to call raccoons :) | 17:27 |
| DarkSim | Can I edit the windows buttons and all that in KDE? | 17:27 |
| DarkSim | Because I don't like the default art style | 17:27 |
| Wizard | You can either try changing Oxygen options or switch theme to fit your needs. | 17:28 |
| DarkSim | in system settings? | 17:29 |
| Wizard | Yes. | 17:30 |
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| mdjumper | moin | 18:06 |
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| jimbob6996 | hey jacky | 19:14 |
| Jacky | that was odd | 19:19 |
| Jacky | but expected | 19:19 |
| madconqueror | Hey there. I'm new to linux and the folder structure... root is on a SSD, my /home on a HDD. I want a VM image to live on the SSD. Where to put it? I'd opt for /opt/vbvm - but /usr/vbvm or /var/vbvm seem to be viable options too... What's your opinion? | 19:23 |
| madconqueror | exit | 19:33 |
| madconqueror | :quit | 19:33 |
| madconqueror | gaaa | 19:33 |
| madconqueror | part | 19:34 |
| * Wizard yawns | 19:43 | |
| * Jacky glances at the Wizard. | 19:44 | |
| sbivol | question: how do you guys post these messages? | 19:44 |
| Wizard | sbivol: /me | 19:45 |
| * sbivol found something new about IRC | 19:45 | |
| sbivol | ah, brilliant :) | 19:45 |
| sbivol | thank you, Wizard | 19:45 |
| Wizard | sbivol: Now you are ready to join #kubuntu-offtopic ;) | 19:46 |
| Jacky | haha | 19:46 |
| Wizard | Jacky has already done it. | 19:46 |
| * sbivol apreciates Wizard's irony | 19:47 | |
| Wizard | ;D | 19:47 |
| DarthFrog | madconqueror: If you want to follow Linux conventions, put it under /usr/local/vbvm. That's your playground. | 20:06 |
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| DarthFrog | /usr (USR = Unix System Resources) is for distro use. /usr/local is for sysadmin use. | 20:06 |
| DarthFrog | madconqueror: /opt is OK, too, instead of /usr/local. Use one or the other consistently, though. | 20:08 |
| sbivol | DarthFrog: I always thought /usr comes from „users” o_O | 20:08 |
| DarthFrog | sbivol: Most people do, I imagine. | 20:08 |
| mr0wl | same here | 20:08 |
| DarthFrog | daemon = Disk And Environment MONitor. | 20:09 |
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| * folorn[A] is now away - Reason : im away from da keyboard hit me up later | 20:09 | |
| madconqueror | DarthFrog: Thank you, you have been truly helpful (Sorry, if this is not reflected in my IRC commands, it has been a long time, and I do not use Apples anymore) | 20:16 |
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| DarthFrog | madconqueror: have you tweaked your system to use a SSD properly? http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm | 20:18 |
| DarthFrog | SSDs are fundamentally different from spinning rust. | 20:18 |
| madconqueror | how come? | 20:19 |
| DarthFrog | One has rotating platters with moving r/w heads, the other is addressable static memory. One has virtually unlimited r/w cycles, the other has limited r/w cycles. Treating a SSD drive like a regular HD can cause it to wear out prematurely and impinge performance. | 20:20 |
| madconqueror | OK, this is private usage. It's an i5-3210 on ivy that came with 2x2 GB RAM which I replaced with 2x4 GB RAM (1066 CL7...bla) and used it for surfing. | 20:24 |
| madconqueror | when i wanted to install x DB which demanded 4 GB of RAM I realized one DIMM had died. | 20:25 |
| madconqueror | now it has 1 8GB CL9 | 20:25 |
| madconqueror | sufficiefect for the VM to provide 6 GB to the VM I want to live on my SSD | 20:26 |
| madconqueror | the x DB will only be used for traiining | 20:26 |
| madconqueror | would you rather install real world DBs on rust or on SSDs? | 20:27 |
| sbivol | I have this issue in KDE 4.9.98 – every notification appears too much to the right, half of it being beyond the visible area. When I try to drag it to its place, Plasma freezes. | 20:29 |
| DarthFrog | madconqueror: I have my system and my home directory on a 240 GB SSD. But I also have a 1 TB HD mounted under my home directory for storage. | 20:30 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | backup drive, darth? | 20:31 |
| DarthFrog | madconqueror: For a database, where r/w access times are critical for performance, SSD's are ideal. | 20:31 |
| madconqueror | backups are not intended to be connected, kotTon_kaNdiy | 20:31 |
| DarthFrog | kotTon_kaNdiy: No. Tunes, ebooks, download & work directories. I have a 4 TB D-Link NAS for backup. | 20:32 |
| DarthFrog | Oh yeah, Steam and games are on the storage drive. | 20:32 |
| madconqueror | haha | 20:32 |
| madconqueror | thanks DarthFrog | 20:32 |
| DarthFrog | you're welcome. | 20:32 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | my dad woulda been amazed how far drives and storage has progressed since he passed | 20:33 |
| sbivol | this screenshot shows a misplaced notification: http://cip.md/plasma-notification.png | 20:33 |
| DarthFrog | madconqueror: Backups are intended to be used. :-) Whatever arrangement someone makes that works for them is correct. If used. :-) | 20:34 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | he was used to the old 512 true floppies :)) | 20:34 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | yuppers | 20:34 |
| DarthFrog | kotTon_kaNdiy: I used 180 KB floppies and 300 baud acoustic coupler modems. | 20:35 |
| systemclient | How can I get Telepathy working with Voice and Video? #KDE told me that libtelepathy-qt4-farstream2 is missing, but apparently telepathy has to be build with that | 20:35 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | at least I got rid of the oriiginal os on this computer vista :| | 20:35 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | whata piece of crap that was | 20:35 |
| madconqueror | I used the 5.25'' myself, let's leave it at that. | 20:35 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | whoah :-O | 20:36 |
| madconqueror | thanks all and goodbye | 20:36 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | your older than my dad :-O | 20:36 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | cool :) | 20:36 |
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| kotTon_kaNdiy | from what I heard, they have a linux that runs on a floppy :-) | 20:37 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | but no the 512's | 20:38 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | the 1.44 megers | 20:38 |
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| Adricolo | Hi everyone | 22:16 |
| Adricolo | Someone ? | 22:16 |
| kotTon_kaNdiy | wassup, adric? | 22:19 |
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| swarfega | is kde 4.10 rc3 being uploaded to the repos? | 23:18 |
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| shadeslayer | swarfega: for raring it's already up | 23:30 |
| swarfega | quantal tomorrow? | 23:30 |
| shadeslayer | dunno, I was out of the loop on this one | 23:31 |
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| shadeslayer | odd ... ninjas doesn't have 4.9.98 for quantal | 23:32 |
| swarfega | :/ | 23:32 |
| shadeslayer | swarfega: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.9.98_quantal.html | 23:32 |
| shadeslayer | so it's there, I just don't know where :P | 23:33 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: staging - it's done for both, I just didn't get to copy it | 23:33 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 23:33 |
| yofel | feel free o | 23:33 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, I'll run the copy script | 23:33 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: anything in there that should not be copied? | 23:34 |
| shadeslayer | or should I copy it all | 23:34 |
| yofel | all (AFAIK) | 23:34 |
| * shadeslayer double checks | 23:34 | |
| shadeslayer | yofel: kubuntu-meta needs copying? | 23:35 |
| shadeslayer | packages are now being copied to the beta ppa | 23:41 |
| shadeslayer | for quantal/precise | 23:41 |
| swarfega | cool | 23:42 |
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