| phillw | Noskcaj: just the person I need to chat to! Are you available for about an 15 min chat in ~ 5 minutes? | 01:10 |
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| Noskcaj | phillw, yeah, should be | 01:19 |
| Noskcaj | what's it about | 01:19 |
| phillw | classroom session | 01:21 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 01:21 |
| === Noskcaj is now known as Noskcaj_afk | ||
| gema | hey guys | 05:40 |
| gema | good morning | 05:40 |
| gema | or evening | 05:40 |
| === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha | ||
| balloons | ade you about? | 15:30 |
| Ade | balloons, yes I am, how are you? | 15:32 |
| balloons | a bit late, or perhaps right on time, depending :-) | 15:33 |
| balloons | anyways.. sat morning, I'm doing well :-) | 15:34 |
| smartboyhw | balloons, yo? | 15:43 |
| balloons | smartboyhw, hello! | 15:45 |
| balloons | evening to you | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | balloons, good night, gotcha go. Receive my message yesterday? | 15:46 |
| balloons | yes I did.. I would schedule yours according to your schedule | 15:46 |
| balloons | if others can't go before you, I wouldn't worry so much about it | 15:46 |
| balloons | I don't want to keep you in limbo | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | balloons, lol | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | I will make one, probably in 5/2/2013 13:30 UTC | 15:47 |
| balloons | sounds good | 15:47 |
| balloons | that's later than everyone else should be going anyway | 15:48 |
| balloons | everything going well for you? | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | Good. Bye! | 15:48 |
| Ade | balloons, you around? | 17:00 |
| balloons | yes | 17:11 |
| Ade | balloons, in step one of most testcases the testcase states the application should be launched via the dash, but almost all the autopilot test cases launch the application separately?? | 17:15 |
| balloons | ade you mean the manual tests? | 17:17 |
| balloons | yes, obviously if your converting a manual test, you should launch it via command line | 17:17 |
| balloons | err, lol, launch it via the autopilot framework | 17:18 |
| balloons | plus we don't want things to be unity specific per say | 17:18 |
| Ade | balloons, sorry got disconnected...again! | 17:23 |
| Ade | balloons, I know anything but unity needs to be launched from within the framework but thats definitely an issue there | 17:23 |
| Ade | balloons, do you see where I'm coming from? | 17:24 |
| balloons | ade, I'm a bit confused by what you mean | 17:26 |
| balloons | there are unity tests already.. so for instance, if I'm writing a gedit test, I'm concerned with how gedit works, not with the launcher | 17:26 |
| Ade | balloons, right ok, so we're not concerned with testing to see if the application can be launched via the dash, only with it's functionality afterwards? | 17:27 |
| balloons | right, exactly | 17:28 |
| balloons | and for that reason, we can run the tests on xubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu , etc | 17:28 |
| balloons | so that's nice too | 17:28 |
| Ade | balloons, righty no problem :o) | 17:28 |
| Ade | balloons, Where is all the documentation for the autopilot API?? The (very brief) tutorial is there but not a lot more??? | 17:51 |
| balloons | there is docs, umm the link is in the blog post | 17:51 |
| balloons | let me grab it | 17:51 |
| Ade | balloons, Yes I have it already, but click on the 'API Documentation' and it appears to be empty | 17:52 |
| balloons | http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/ | 17:52 |
| balloons | weird.. | 17:53 |
| Ade | balloons, I presume everything was there previously ,right? | 17:53 |
| Ade | balloons, I haven't viewed it before so i've no idea if it's just down today or something or it's actually incomplete | 17:54 |
| balloons | tutorial | 17:55 |
| balloons | http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html | 17:55 |
| balloons | that has stuff in it | 17:55 |
| balloons | the other stuff is weird | 17:57 |
| balloons | they pushed out some light docs in there.. I've been bugging the team to get more info in there | 17:57 |
| Ade | balloons, will see what I can do but it's going to be very difficult to fully complete test cases without IDE hints or API documentation :o) | 17:57 |
| balloons | in the meantime, you can read the class functions themselves.. but yes I agree | 17:57 |
| balloons | up until a month ago, everything was unity centric, so now docs with a more generic viewpoint at much needed | 17:58 |
| Ade | balloons, absolutely. Guess it was designed for unity after all, it will be ok, just might slow things up that's all | 18:00 |
| balloons | yes, I know.. but do feel free to ask questions | 18:00 |
| balloons | the autopilot team also haunts this channel :-) | 18:00 |
| balloons | I still ask them things, trust me :-) | 18:00 |
| Ade | balloons, :o) | 18:01 |
| balloons | and if you check out our bzr branch, you can see what we've done so far | 18:01 |
| balloons | it helps | 18:01 |
| Ade | balloons, Yes I have been viewing the other testcases to try and elicit some information but it seems at the moment unless an applications function has a keyboard shortcut then that test method just has a big fat #TODO in it lol | 18:02 |
| balloons | lol | 18:03 |
| balloons | I believe my first introspection stuff is in gedit | 18:04 |
| balloons | I think it's checked it | 18:04 |
| balloons | *in | 18:04 |
| balloons | in short, launch an app like this: | 18:04 |
| balloons | autopilot launch gedit | 18:04 |
| balloons | then run | 18:04 |
| balloons | autopilot vis | 18:04 |
| balloons | this will launch the app, and then launch the visualization tool | 18:04 |
| balloons | you'll see the dbus session for the application you launched if you select the 'root' connection | 18:05 |
| Ade | balloons, I was literally JUST reading that as you said it :o) | 18:05 |
| balloons | now, it's annoying because gtk apps spawn SO much nodes | 18:05 |
| balloons | for no apparent reason.. I asked them to implement a search in the vis tool | 18:05 |
| Ade | balloons, that going to be really helpful for point and click, just need to work out how to test the application correctly for assertions now | 18:06 |
| balloons | anyways, once you find the property you want, it's not too hard to check and assert for it | 18:06 |
| balloons | however, the final piece of the puzzle is going to come by doing pixel reading | 18:07 |
| Ade | balloons, That's definitely the way forward. Pixel reading... that sounds like a nightmare | 18:07 |
| balloons | there's a sikuli like tool called xpressor that we can use as stop gap | 18:08 |
| balloons | lol, introsection is better, but if nothing else will work | 18:08 |
| balloons | you can fallback to it | 18:08 |
| balloons | basically between the too, shouldn't be anything you can't automate | 18:09 |
| Ade | Ok I will figure out this first and then research xpressor :o) | 18:09 |
| balloons | we haven't messed with it yet.. since again, we'd like to avoid pixel reading | 18:10 |
| Ade | Ok, will crack on and hopefully come back to you with a working testcase | 18:11 |
| balloons | fire questions if you have them | 18:12 |
| Ade | balloons, will do :o) | 18:12 |
| Ade | balloons, How do you enable autopilot support in an application? when I 'autopilot launch gedit' I get an error stating no logger could be found?? | 18:15 |
| balloons | i believe you can ignore that for the moment | 18:16 |
| balloons | it should still work | 18:16 |
| balloons | thomi literally just added support | 18:16 |
| balloons | so if you do see anything like that, we can report it as a bug | 18:16 |
| balloons | the old way is to just export the module before launching | 18:17 |
| Ade | balloons, gedit will then launch and when all has settled down I type 'autopilot vis' but the drop down is empty and it states 'waiting for a DBus connection..' | 18:17 |
| balloons | autopilot launch is supposed to to thsat for you | 18:17 |
| balloons | let me see | 18:18 |
| balloons | GTK_MODULES=autopilot-gtk:$GTK_MODULES gedit | 18:18 |
| balloons | that's the manual method | 18:19 |
| balloons | so if autopilot launch isn't working, do it that way | 18:20 |
| Ade | balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1549760/ | 18:22 |
| balloons | ugh | 18:23 |
| balloons | that's a problem | 18:23 |
| balloons | you running the autopilot ppa? | 18:23 |
| balloons | raring? | 18:23 |
| balloons | just tried again.. it does work for me here | 18:24 |
| balloons | hmm | 18:24 |
| Ade | 12.10 LTS and just checking now to see where I got autopilot from, I am sure it's the ppa | 18:24 |
| balloons | GTK_MODULES=autopilot-gtk:$GTK_MODULES gedit | 18:24 |
| balloons | try launching it that way | 18:24 |
| balloons | in the meantime | 18:24 |
| balloons | all autopilot launch was intended to do was to make it easier.. so you don't have to manually load the module | 18:25 |
| balloons | so I ran GTK_MODULES=autopilot-gtk:$GTK_MODULES gedit and then autopilot vis and got a connection that way as well | 18:25 |
| Ade | balloons, Yes, ppa:autopilot/ppa repository by the way. | 18:26 |
| balloons | ok good, that's correct | 18:26 |
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| balloons | does manually loading the module work for you? | 18:26 |
| balloons | I've got to run in a sec | 18:26 |
| Ade | balloons, I just type that in terminal right?? I got failed to load module "autopilot-gtk" | 18:29 |
| Ade | balloons, Either way it's not having any of it, this is pretty fustrating | 18:30 |
| balloons | ohh | 18:38 |
| balloons | if it doesn't find it, you might not have the module installed | 18:39 |
| balloons | install libautopilot-gtk0 | 18:39 |
| balloons | and perhaps libautopilot-gtk-dev as well | 18:40 |
| balloons | that might be needed for the manual way | 18:40 |
| balloons | ade, sorry your having troubles.. | 18:40 |
| Ade | balloons, ok will give that a try.. | 18:44 |
| Noskcaj | phillw, I have made a basic wiki page for my testdrive session | 19:13 |
| Ade | balloons, I am getting the same in a vm of raring, tried manually and also got exactly the same error. | 19:16 |
| balloons | wow.. well ade, I guess no introspection for you.. even after installing the packages eh? | 19:36 |
| Ade | balloons, doesn't look like it today I am disappointed to say. Can I double check how you install those packages... sudo apt-get install libautopilot-gtk0 ...is that correct?? | 19:38 |
| dkessel | good evening. has any of you already reported the xdiagnose installation failure? | 20:15 |
| dkessel | ah nevermind. i found it | 20:20 |
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