[03:12] <MoreCowbell> WHAT YEAR IS IT
[03:26] <monkeyjuice> the year of the Monkey
[04:31] <wolftune> hi anyone have experience with dual-monitors and AMD Catalyst?
[04:31] <wolftune> Under KDE
[04:31] <wolftune> of course
[06:16] <Guest83040> join #bash
[06:18] <KimLaroux> you forgot /
[06:18] <Guest83040> ye :)
[10:32] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:40] <Wizard> Good. Really good.
[11:56] <eduardofl> hi
[12:13] <Yamakazi> mlm all,,
[12:14] <lordievader> Hey Yamakazi, how are you?
[12:15] <Yamakazi> fine,, and u,
[12:15] <lordievader> Yamakazi: I'm doing well, thank you for asking.
[12:15] <Yamakazi> u wlcome,
[12:47] <invariant> Can you tell me  line number and file of where X  (the X server) is started in Kubuntu?
[12:47] <invariant> I am using kdm.
[12:50] <lordievader> invariant: You are probably looking for /etc/init/kdm.conf
[12:52] <invariant> lordievader, I am not seeing the binary X being called.
[12:52] <invariant> lordievader, I want to influence the parameters of X.
[12:54] <lordievader> invariant: My lightdm script (12.10) has the line "exec lightdm", I think kdm.conf has "exec kdm". This is probably starting X on it's own. If that does not work you could disable the kdm.conf and write your own init script.
[12:55] <invariant> lordievader, so, the answer is: kdm starts X in some binary file and if you want to modify it, you need to recompile kdm, or use a different dm, but you also don't know which dm will enable me to do that.
[12:56] <invariant> In short, the easiest solution is likely to start X manually without any dm.
[12:56] <lordievader> invariant: So you write your own init script, have the script start X and have .xinit (or .xsession) start the dm.
[12:56] <invariant> lordievader, is that even possible?
[12:57] <invariant> lordievader, I am pretty sure that's not how it works.
[12:57] <invariant> The display manager needs to control the X server.
[12:57] <invariant> That's the whole point.
[12:57] <tsimpson> invariant: you can configure how X runs by modifying the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[12:59] <invariant> tsimpson, there are still tons of files there.
[12:59] <lordievader> invariant: In that way I have modified a live-cd to start fluxbox. I made a startx.conf in /etc/init, that would run "startx" and the .xinit file had "startfulxbox".
[12:59] <invariant> tsimpson, all I want is the line which starts X and convert it into X -core.
[13:04] <tsimpson> invariant: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc I think
[13:06] <invariant> tsimpson, how was I supposed to know that?
[13:07] <invariant> tsimpson, thanks for finding it, but don't you think that such things should be easier to find?
[13:07] <tsimpson> invariant: well I didn't know about it either, I just found it
[13:08] <invariant> tsimpson, I'd say that in a good system, you can just run something like pstree and click your way up and see on which line of which file (even if it's binary) something was done.
[13:08] <tsimpson> the whole X infrastructure is a mystery to most
[13:08] <lordievader> tsimpson: There are books ranting about X11...
[13:09] <invariant> lordievader, also about UNIX.
[13:09] <invariant> They are mostly right.
[13:10] <tsimpson> there's probably a bunch of fork()'ing before X actually gets called
[13:10] <wakeup> Hello everyone,
[13:10] <wakeup> I am currently translating documents into Turkish.
[13:10] <wakeup> When I follow the link Help Translate on Launchpad, it suggested me translating oneiric templates. I almost complete translations, but today I saw another translations of kubuntu-docs on Raring trunk list.
[13:10] <wakeup> Should I continue the translation with oneiric (https://translations.launchpad.net/k...eiric/+lang/tr) or did I waste my time by not translating Raring files (https://translations.launchpad.net/u...50&start=150)? Because I cannot see my old translations in Raring files.
[13:11] <lordievader> invariant: X11 is needlesly complicated if you ask me...
[13:11] <tsimpson> wakeup: the folks in #kubuntu-devel would know more about how the translation system works
[13:11] <wakeup> ok thanks :). i will move into that channel then...
[13:12] <lordievader> wakeup: Good luck!
[13:26] <invariant> lordievader, I think you can only make such a judgement call if you know the current system inside out.
[13:26] <invariant> You can write an X11 haters book if you are really sure, or an alternative implementation with the exact same features that's much smaller.
[13:30] <lordievader> invariant: Yes, you are quite right.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:36] <invariant> The aptitude shipped in 12.04 is broken. How can I install the one from quantal?
[14:38] <ikonia> you don't
[14:38] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
[14:38] <ikonia> you should never mix distro version packages
[14:39] <invariant> Ok, so after I have converted my installation scripts to use aptitude I can switch it back to the less efficient apt-get again. Great!
[14:39] <invariant> There are  over 350 people who have that problem on launchpad. Why was it even included in the distribution in the first place?
[14:40] <invariant> Don't you run automatic tests or something like that such that you don't need those 350 people to tell you about a problem?
[15:23] <SpartanF31> hallo! There is a way to see in samba shares the available machines over the lan  and at the same time hide my one?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !crosspost |  SpartanF31
[15:46] <SpartanF31> BluesKaj: thanks, but i saw no answer to my question so i asked elsewere. I'm not flooding.
[16:41] <ed3456765456> people help me, I accidently removed something from the taskbar bar and now the taskbar doesnt show active applications, the Kubuntu button, quick shortcuts are there, but if I open firefox the application button is not shown, how do I get it back?
[16:42] <sbivol> ed3456765456: unlock widgets. remove all the panels you have on the desktop. then right-click on the desktop, Add Panel -> default panel
[16:43] <sbivol> ed3456765456: or, right-click the panel, Add widgets, Task manager
[16:44] <sbivol> ed3456765456:  (I think that widget is called Task manager in english, or something like that)
[16:45] <ed3456765456> sbivol: yes it has worked, thank you
[16:46] <sbivol> ed3456765456: you're welcome
[20:47] <IceGuest_75> hello, who can help me?
[20:59] <theadmin> Hello everyone. I have a seriously annoying problem. After a while after the system login, the sound completely dissapears. Nothing solves it but a reboot, so the end result is I have to reboot every hour or so if I want to keep sound working. Seems to be KDE-specific, but I'm not completely certain of that.
[21:00] <theadmin> The Phonon backend in use is gstreamer, and I do have pulseaudio installed, although I'm experiencing the same issue without pulse.
[21:01] <BluesKaj> theadmin, which sound card/ chip?
[21:02] <theadmin> BluesKaj: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[21:03] <theadmin> This happened yesterday after a kernel update, but I don't think that can be related. Who knows, though, the kernel is mysterious.
[21:03] <theadmin> Well... actually I'm wrong, this started happening before the update.
[21:03] <theadmin> So, ignore that
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok theadmin , first run , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , if the driver loads there won't be any output
[21:04] <theadmin> BluesKaj: It did load
[21:04] <theadmin> BluesKaj: Still no sound though.
[21:06] <BluesKaj> then  with root permissions open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , and add this line to the bottom , options snd-hda-intel index=0 , then save the file and reboot
[21:07] <BluesKaj> that line should make the kernel source module/driver persistent, thea
[21:07] <BluesKaj> theadmin,^
[21:08] <theadmin> BluesKaj: Done. I'll reboot, but since the sound works for a while after booting I won't be able to immediately tell whether that's worked.
[21:08] <theadmin> BluesKaj: May I ask what exactly the "index" is?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> index is the sequence that alsa looks at the driver , you can have more than one if the first index listed is unavailabe the 2nd in the list will be used , that's the theory
[21:10] <theadmin> Hm, there are some entries with *negative* indices there though
[21:10] <BluesKaj> it works for my setup , I have 2 soundcards
[21:10] <BluesKaj> yes that means ignore
[21:10] <theadmin> Ah, I see.
[21:11] <theadmin> Okay, thanks. I think that may be the problem, so hope that fixes it. I'll stop by later if the problem reappears. Thanks again.
[21:13] <esing> Hi
[21:13] <esing> Does Kubuntu already come with kde 4.10?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> hi esing
[21:13] <esing> hi BluesKaj
[21:14] <BluesKaj> esing, i think it does now , if you're on 12.10 it should be in the backports
[21:16] <esing> BluesKaj, I guess I can update my applications through backports too?
[21:18] <kotTon_kaNdiy> it's KDE rc2
[21:19] <kotTon_kaNdiy> 4.10 rc2
[21:19] <BluesKaj> esing, I'm not certain , because I'm on 13.04 and it just came down pipe a few daysa go
[21:20] <kotTon_kaNdiy> just checked it
[21:20] <BluesKaj> esing, if it's not in the backports for 12.10 , wait until it is.
[21:21] <BluesKaj> guess I should check my 12.10 install
[21:21] <ikonia> I don't think as a rule of thumb un-released versoins such as 13.04 get backports until it's at least at a stable release stage
[21:23] <BluesKaj> ikonia, well, i'm testing for the devs and it's stable now after the last upgrade
[21:24] <ikonia> BluesKaj: yes, but it changes a lot
[21:24] <ikonia> stable today = broken tomorrow
[21:24] <kotTon_kaNdiy> yup
[21:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , no kidding :)
[21:25] <kotTon_kaNdiy> so I'll wait till they release a 13.10 verion
[21:27] <BluesKaj> guess i'd better check my 12.10 like I said ...bbiab
[21:37] <BluesKaj> nothing yet , my 12.10 install is still running kde 4.9.4 . the update/upgrade/dist-upgrade didn't offer any new kde upgrades
[21:39] <boot> If you have the kubuntu updates ppa, you should be on 4.9.5
[21:39] <BluesKaj> i'm using the backports
[21:39] <esing> Is kubuntu 13.04 like debian unstable to debian testing?
[21:40] <BluesKaj> esing, probly not a s stable as "debian unstable" at this stage
[21:44] <BluesKaj> esing there's a bug with ubiquity installer with some 64bit AMD hardware/cpus , which i had to workaround by installing 12.10 then upgrading via internet to bypass the ubiquity installer
[21:44] <BluesKaj> on 13.04 that is
[21:46] <esing> Hm, I see
[21:50] <BluesKaj> esing, if you're thinking of testing an RC type OS then make a separate partition for it and keep a stable one as your main OS ...I know it sound like stating the obvious , but I feel it's our duty as kubuntu supporters to say so.
[21:53] <esing> Ye, that is safer to do so. Thanks for the advice
[21:55] <kotTon_kaNdiy> you know how to setup partitions, esing?
[21:57] <kotTon_kaNdiy> there's a good linux verion for it, and it doubles as a rescue disk too
[21:59] <esing> kotTon_kaNdiy, I guess you refer to gparted live cd?
[21:59] <ikonia> you really don't need that
[21:59] <ikonia> the kubuntu cd will work just fine
[22:00] <esing> Ye, kubuntu live cd should have that too
[22:00] <kotTon_kaNdiy> not exactly.  but that's another one you could use
[22:00] <kotTon_kaNdiy> lemme see if I can track it down
[22:00] <kotTon_kaNdiy> been awhile
[22:01] <kotTon_kaNdiy> the one I'm thinking of also had anitvirus software on it
[22:02] <BluesKaj> ikonia, you were mentioning a dns helper a minute ago in kubuntu is that the DNS-DN service discovery monitor in systemsettings > startup and shutdown ?
[22:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I don't know how it's implemented in kubuntu to be honest
[22:04] <BluesKaj> ok thanks ikonia , i'll be rebooting again soon and I'll soon find out
[22:07] <Gnosis-> Hi. I am unable to log in, but I know my password is correct. How can I diagnose what the problem is? (running Quantal Kubuntu - 12.10)
[22:08] <IdleOne> I just installed unetbootin on kubuntu 12.10, when I run the app it asks me for my password but tells me the password is wrong, not sure what password it is asking for here?
[22:08] <kotTon_kaNdiy> thought so, it's by AVG
[22:08] <kotTon_kaNdiy> https://share.avg.com/arl/
[22:08] <BluesKaj> bbl
[22:09] <Gnosis-> The X cursor appears for a moment, then my laptop screen turns off; then, the laptop screen turns on, but with all black, and finally, I am back at the login screen.
[22:09] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Can you login to a tty?
[22:10] <Gnosis-> lordievader: yes
[22:10] <Gnosis-> lordievader: I am logged in right now for using IRC
[22:10] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Ah ok, and your home dir is accesible and has the right permissions?
[22:10] <Gnosis-> the permissions are 755
[22:11] <Gnosis-> correct owner and group
[22:11] <ikonia> homedir full ?
[22:11] <ikonia> or mounted read only ?
[22:11] <Gnosis-> ikonia: no and no
[22:12] <ikonia> wonder if your video card module is crashing then
[22:12] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Check out the logs in /var/log/lightdm they might tell you something.
[22:12] <Gnosis-> hmm. is there some command line way of putting it online?
[22:12] <Gnosis-> oh wait, I know how...
[22:12] <IdleOne> you can use pastebinit
[22:15] <Gnosis-> lordievader / ikonia: here's my /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1553482/
[22:16] <GH0> I seem to be having an issue where isc-dhcp-server starts before my network interface is actually considered up and ready. It attempts to start 8 times during the boot process, and then fails staying off/disabled after boot is completed. At the moment this is the error/problem (dmesg output) http://pastebin.com/MkdJaF3Z , and when doing an ip addr and ifconfig http://pastebin.com/ktYxji1G cont....
[22:17] <GH0> http://pastebin.com/hF4hafYg however, when I manually start the service after boot is complete, everything works fine: http://pastebin.com/7drUhY7G
[22:17] <ikonia> GH0: how is your interface getting an IP address
[22:17] <GH0> I have set the init script to listen only on eth1 the interfaec that I have.
[22:17] <GH0> ikonia: it's static
[22:18] <ikonia> Gnosis-: line 47 is key
[22:18] <ikonia> GH0: then why is it taking so long for the interface to come up
[22:18] <Gnosis-> ikonia: thanks! I'll have a look
[22:18] <lordievader> Gnosis-: I'm seeing a few times /usr/bin/startkde exiting with value 1.
[22:18] <GH0> ikonia: No idea.
[22:18] <Gnosis-> lordievader: how can I see logs for startkde?
[22:19] <GH0> This started happening after I removed a NIC card that wasn't being used.
[22:19] <ikonia> GH0: thats why you need to work out
[22:19] <lordievader> Gnosis-: I think the problem is the same as the one ikonia mentioned.
[22:19] <GH0> Is there any tools (or logs) that can help me figure that out?
[22:20] <ikonia> GH0: disable dhcpd, check the time for the IP to assign
[22:20] <lordievader> GH0: Eth1 does still exist, I presume.
[22:20] <Gnosis-> lordievader: you mean the video card module crashing?
[22:20] <ikonia> boot it into single user mode, start the networking, see how long it takes
[22:21] <ikonia> just work it through
[22:21] <GH0> lordievader: yes, it is up right now.
[22:21] <GH0> Hm, alright.
[22:22] <lordievader> Gnosis-: In line 48 you can see that session 1340 has exited with value 1, session 1340 is:#Import *just* the sqrt function from math on line 3!
[22:22] <lordievader> from math import swrt
[22:22] <lordievader> Err: Session 1340 running command /usr/sbin/lightdm-session /usr/bin/startkde
[22:22] <lordievader> I allways forget firefox does not copy on ctrl+shift+c...
[22:24] <BluesKaj> GH0, have you added the nameserver(s) , domain and search gateway to  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head , because it overwrites /etc/resolv.conf  ..just ignore the warning, btw
[22:25] <GH0> BluesKaj: No, I haven't. Didn't know that would be required when running isc-dhcp-server or bind9
[22:25] <Gnosis-> lordievader: is that a Python problem, then?
[22:25] <GH0> Both bind9 and isc-dhcp-server are on the same machine anyways.
[22:26] <BluesKaj> GH0, well , I'm not sure about isc-dhcp server , but for static without network manager it's the method we use .
[22:27] <GH0> I am using network manager.
[22:27] <lordievader> Gnosis-: No, I had forgotten that firefox does not copy with ctrl+shift+c, there was still some python stuff in my cache, see 2 lines under that.
[22:27] <Gnosis-> ohhhhh, got it :)
[22:28] <Gnosis-> lordievader: how can I see logs for /usr/bin/startkde? Also, I should mention that I can execute startkde from the command line if I start an X server and set $DISPLAY
[22:30] <BluesKaj> GH0, your setup is foriegn territory to me  ..NM with static unusual IME
[22:32] <lordievader> Gnosis-: Hmm seems there is no such log, you might try the Xorg log or in the lightdm folder the x-0-greeter and x-0 logs.
[22:32] <Gnosis-> okay, thanks
[22:49] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have been in kubuntu for quite some time andd finally switched to ubuntu 10.10 basically due to some major problems of the new akonadi system working with kmail2 which i could not trust with my business emails. It just looked toooo unstable and problematic. What about now? Is everything running smoother in 12.04?
[22:54] <naftilos76> your silence is a clear answer to my question . kmail2 is still a *ucked-up app will will crash every now and then.ok then, i will just keep using thunderbird. Thanks guys...
[22:54] <naftilos76> i will give it a try in 10 years!
[22:55] <naftilos76> too soon?
[22:55] <naftilos76> well 15 years then...
[22:55] <naftilos76> bye...
[22:57] <wolftune> anyone know is there a way to clone a panel complete with all the widget's settings in the plasma desktop?
[23:38] <blip99> hi all, I have some executable files that start some graphical programs, instead of manually running it in command line i want have the program appear in my "start menu".  How can I do that ?  thanks
[23:49] <assis> hi everybody