=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:15] morning [08:32] hi [09:04] How can I turn off multiple workspaces in Ubuntu? And remove the switcher from the sidebar? I know this feature is upcoming in 13.04 but is there anyway to do it now? [09:04] why would you? [09:04] yes [09:04] in ccsm [09:04] general options [09:04] desktop size [09:11] how do i check if i have samba installed. [09:25] meet: dpkg -l "*samba*" === Ivanka_ is now known as Ivanka [10:23] good morning everyone, [10:28] yo [10:32] morning popey [10:48] Considering upgrading my 12.04.1 desktop to 12.10, any known problems with upgrading? [10:48] Also, new catalyst driver \0/ [10:49] kvarley: seems to be very bad if your on ATI, I've had nothing but issues on all my ATI boxes [10:50] Azelphur: I heard this too but my laptop was fine and that's running an AMD APU [10:50] I want to upgrade, but don't want to break everything in the process lol [10:50] yea, seems to be hit and miss depending on what hardware you're on, my HTPC with a 5770 is fine [10:50] but my friends 7770 is pretty much a brick [10:51] Azelphur: I'm all AMD so not sure if I'll risk it [10:51] Azelphur: Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until AFTER I've done my uni assignment ;) [10:52] probably, I'm gonna upgrade my box but do it by keeping my old 12.04 install around [10:52] so if it doesn't work at all I can rollback [10:53] Azelphur: Fair enough :) seems wise [10:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/+bug/1087840 is what my friend on his 7770 gets \o/ [10:53] Ubuntu bug 1087840 in fglrx-installer-updates (Ubuntu) "1002:9991 Unity Desktop disabled after installing fglrx-updates" [Undecided,Incomplete] [10:53] lol [10:53] And this is when having Unity becomes a nightmare [10:53] isn't that a feature? [10:53] Azelphur: ATi disabling older cards? [10:54] MartijnV1S: I wouldn't call a 7770 old :P [10:54] 7000 series are new cards [10:54] Released in like the last 6 months lol [10:55] Azelphur: The R7500 was an RV200 card, OpenGL 1.3-era :) [10:55] MartijnV1S: hehe, the HD 7770 is a new card. [10:55] http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/7000/7770/Pages/radeon-7770.aspx [10:55] TOO NEW apparently ;) [10:55] indeed [10:56] someone should fix that bug report, says incomplete even though all the requested information has been provided [10:57] since when was hardware too new for linux [10:58] I'm sure we never had this problem before [10:58] * Azelphur shrugs [10:58] Lame [10:58] kvarley: except in graphics and wifi land [10:58] MartijnV1S: Hmmm I guess [10:58] though Intel is good with providing new drivers before chips are out now === MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS [11:00] Lets hope more manufacturers start taking that approach [11:00] Mind you Intel have a way bigger budget than most manufacturers [11:01] they're also VERY open source-friendly [11:04] Does anyone know of any cheap decent quality projectors? :) [11:05] (yes I know, world on a stick) [11:05] pick two [11:05] AlanBell: I did, cheap and quality :P [11:05] * AlanBell fails at counting [11:05] lol [11:05] pick one [11:05] actually they are all getting good now [11:06] https://www.dropbox.com/s/8w53jtnxpgwh99x/2013-01-17%2004.20.29.jpg is my use case btw, I'm thinking projector on that back wall [11:06] I wondered if there were any with bulbs that aren't hideously expensive. [11:06] I would be tempted by an LED one [11:06] yea, the LED ones or the new laser ones I think don't require bulk replacements [11:07] at least, from my limited understanding [11:07] excellent, much cheaper to maintain [11:07] if you need a big image you need a brighter projector [11:07] yea, I mean that's why I'm interested in them :p [11:07] very bright for rear projection on a translucent screen [11:07] AlanBell: well that's gonna be less than 3 metres on that wall [11:09] Azelphur: http://www.screeninnovations.com/tools/projector-wizard/ :) [11:09] I was just planning on projecting it onto the wall, I got big white walls here so figured it'd work? [11:09] Azelphur: or http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm [11:10] Azelphur: actually white isn't ideal, a grey is better [11:11] I see [11:12] http://www.amazon.co.uk/PROJECTOR-SCREEN-PAINT-STANDARD-KIT/dp/B004N6XEDM%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJZBMY44CTEUFJIYA%26tag%3Dtheopesou-21%26linkCode%3Dsp1%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB004N6XEDM [11:12] might be worth getting a cheaper projector and some expensive paint [11:12] or a proper screen to attach to the ceiling [11:13] hehe [11:13] so you can actually use the wall for other things while not projecting [11:14] tis annoying how expensive they are, they need to come down in price :p [11:15] jeez its cold today [11:16] 'tis [11:16] * MartijnVdS went running [11:16] but only got 5km because I was freezing [11:17] I got up and looked out of the window :D [11:17] This man is extremely punny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60OYTgs77RI [12:09] Ahoy hoy [12:12] afternoonings bigcalm [12:12] Goodness, it's the afternoon already? [12:12] http://flic.kr/p/dN2QqR ♥ wellies and socks \o/ cotton socks and wellies make my feet warm enough to bare the cold floor [12:13] * penguin42 doesn't see how people can have hard floors especially in days like this [12:13] kitchens [12:14] And bathrooms [12:14] bathrooms [12:14] And saunas [12:14] garage [12:14] I'd have hard floors everywhere if I'd have my way [12:14] :O [12:14] but then I'd also have a bit better built house too [12:14] * bigcalm shivers at the thought [12:15] Heh. Myrtti you'd have a Finnish built house [12:15] I find it ironic that it's about 20 degrees warmer here than in Finland and it's still colder indoors [12:16] and this is a relatively new house [12:16] Myrtti: it always comes back to the fact that we don't have this weather often enough to warrant the building specs you have in Finland [12:16] also, I meant to say cotton socks underneath woollen ones [12:16] Ah [12:16] Have you knitted socks yet? [12:17] bigcalm: as a one time investment that pays out when there's extreme weather, I really, really don't understand what part exactly doesn't warrant the building specs [12:17] bigcalm: those ones yes [12:18] Myrtti: when you don't have the weather, it's a waste of materials, time and money. But the argument could go on for a long time. I'm sure specs are getting better with newer and newer buildings :) [12:18] Myrtti: yay :) === Nudetech is now known as Ambutech [12:29] Good Afternoon [12:32] Afternoon Ambutech [12:33] * penguin42 wishes someone would put some coal on the winehq wiki server [12:34] snooze mode at winehq ???? [12:34] Ambutech: Can you get http://wiki.winehq.org/USB [12:35] works fine here, fwiw [12:36] really? Hmmmm [12:36] Not available according to chrome [12:36] ah, no it's not. it seemed fast enough because I used wget to see numbers for the speed. but the returned document is an error [12:36] twas working about 2am last time I was looking at that page [12:40] you know, the time when I was thinking I'd go to bed and leave following it's instructions until today [12:46] time to go cache-diving? [12:47] or perhaps time for breakfast and see if it comes back by the time I'm done :-) [13:32] hmm, I obviously should have had a longer breakfast [13:34] yes, go have some crumpets [13:34] http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://wiki.winehq.org says it's down, too [13:38] "Lattica specializes in delivering industrial strength applications for the enterprise environment" - except it's down right now :-/ [13:43] http://vimeo.com/52711779 [13:46] havn't we invented machines that can process landfill yet? [13:46] my first thought seeing that kid's cello is that it probably contained something toxic :-/ [13:49] ah he'll be fiiiine === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:12] lol, 12.10 works well with my multi monitor setup [14:12] "You can go to that monitor...but you can't come back, ever...muhahahaha." [14:12] ! [14:12] oh :) [14:12] heh, they get stuck on the border? :> [14:12] daftykins: they just recurse around inside one X screen xD [14:13] go off the right, come back on the left again [14:13] haha, so you have to start them saying run on screen x for them to even appear? [14:14] no, once I move my mouse pointer onto either of my left two screens, I can never go back to the right pair :P [14:14] Azelphur: How are they set up ? [14:15] penguin42: 4 screens, 2 twinview instances [14:15] oh don't know how twinview works [14:16] isn't it all part of xrandr now on the latest versions? [14:16] i doubt even that can sort multi-card setups [14:17] and worse still, 'The Azelphur setup' [14:17] yea, you can't do multi card setups on xrandr :( [14:18] does it work if it's just one display on each card? [14:18] hmm you might want to check that on the bleeding edge version [14:18] daftykins: dunno, I didn't try that :P [14:19] aww [14:21] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2013/Jan/screens.png is how it works lol [14:21] once you go left...you can't go back ;) [14:22] =] [15:40] my god [15:40] been trying to play civ v over the internet for 40 minutes now [15:40] plagued by disconnections [15:40] technology :( [15:41] 0o [15:59] Good news, xorg-edgers fixes the wrappy pointer \o/ [15:59] Does anyone know how I might install the fix for this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1020830 [15:59] Ubuntu bug 1020830 in Compiz 0.9.8 "[regression][GLES] wallpaper plugin does not build any more" [Medium,Triaged] [16:00] says it's fixed on there and in what version and so on, but I guess it hasn't landed in the main repositories yet, so just wondering how I get that patch on my system :P [16:03] Azelphur: The fixed package should be built for raring and in the archive [16:03] ah, I'm on precise, can I get it? [16:04] erm dunno; https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz/fix-1020830 has a link to the diff, and you could apply that to a source package yourself and rebuild [16:04] whether it works on your version is a different matter [16:05] hehe, indeed [16:05] I wonder if I could just grab the .debs from here and install them, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4224198 [16:05] actually, isn't there some way for me to pull specific packages from raring down onto my precise install? I'm sure I read something about doing that [16:08] you'll hit a load of version conflicts probably if you try to install a raring package on precise [16:08] aww. [16:08] but you've got a chance of backporting the fix [16:11] penguin42: seems not, most of the links on that page don't work (yay) [16:11] oh no, just very slow on the diff popup. [16:14] penguin42: mind helping me apply the patch? [16:17] sure [16:17] don't suppose you know anything about hacking stuff into working on wine? [16:18] penguin42: not really [16:19] damn, neither do I :-( [16:19] hehe [16:20] so what do I do with this patch? ;) [16:20] ok, so you got the source to the package you need to patch using apt-get source packagename ? [16:22] penguin42: I'm not sure which package this applies against [16:22] looks like compiz to me [16:23] * Azelphur apt-get source compiz's [16:23] penguin42: next? :P [16:24] ok, so get that diff into a text file - make sure you don't get line wraps or anything [16:25] done [16:25] can you pastebin that somehwere, that thing isn't coming up for me [16:26] the patch? [16:26] oh yeh it has at last [16:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1552591/ [16:26] ok, great, now cd into the top of the source directory and do patch --dry-run -p0 < yourpatchfile what does it say? [16:27] http://pastebin.com/xGaXbt7y [16:28] ok, now do sudo apt-get build-dep compiz [16:29] so that patch --dry-run didn't actually change anything, but it showed it will go in ok, so the easiest thing is probably hmm, do the patch without the --dry-run [16:29] righto [16:29] done [16:31] ok, now cd into the source dir and run debuild [16:31] if you haven't got it it's in devscripts [16:34] Azelphur: It'll give an error about something like unexpected changes and tell you the command to run to fix it [16:34] fun, it's still running atm [16:35] oh and you might want to do an export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=10 [16:35] equivalent of make -j [16:37] haha, bit late now it's still chugging along :P [16:38] lies, ctrl+c! [16:39] Hi Folks, Whats the recommend Operating system for Kdenlive? and what are some general getting started best practases? [16:40] Neoti_Desktop: looks like Ubuntu has it [16:40] http://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Installation#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_derivatives [16:41] though given as it's KDE, 'kubuntu' might be wise [16:41] with out sounding off. i know ubuntu has it but id like to know what the recommended OS of choice is for it... :) [16:42] maybe ask them [16:42] they made it :D [16:42] right kubuntu.. i'll have a play with that.... yeah i have asked the question on IRC of them so many times but keep getting ignored.... :( [16:43] you can mix and match; kde apps work under gnome etc [16:44] it would involve downloading a bunch more libs though, right? [16:44] probably, but less than reinstalling with the other one [16:44] so if you have gnome installed just install the app you want and all the associated libs will download as well [16:46] this takes a long time xD [16:46] reason i am asking is i keep getting some rendering problems, like blocks and stuff appear in the video all over the screen no matter what i do, and no matter what the input is or render output... so i would like to know a recommended/most supported Kdenlive OS, so that when/if i have problems i can get some "support" etc... i have been using Ubuntu for years , not on 12.10 yet.. im giving it a few more months for al [16:47] Azelphur: yeh that's why the parallel option is good :-) [16:47] Neoti_Desktop: is your system stable? memtests clean? [16:47] yep, the system is stable and clean... i have made sure.. [16:50] Neoti_Desktop: Are they in the produced video or just in what it shows while using the editor? [16:51] ok it's done, said it failed to sign it [16:51] but apart from that I think it went through [16:52] Azelphur: OK, that's normal - you should find some .deb's in the directory above it [16:53] yep [16:53] install *.deb, profit? [16:53] good luck :-) [16:56] penguin42: well I installed em, but yea wallpaper still don't build :( [16:56] oh hey, but I have wallpaper now [16:56] can't complain xD [16:56] its in the monitor and render [16:57] yep, success [16:57] ty :) [16:57] ok [17:04] UbuntuOne music question - purchased stuff download not finished , am I safe to shut link & continue later? [as in normal sync behaviour] [17:04] Speed here is currently so slow I need to switch to 3G dongle [17:07] SuperEngineer: yes -- downloads go to Ubuntu One storage [17:07] so when you come back later it'll sync it up with your disk [17:08] MartijnVdS: thanks [17:08] -time to drop conxn & use dongle methinks ;) [17:08] bbs [17:12] wow, compiz in 12.10 is terrible [17:13] step 1) remove all the features, step 2) here you go [17:13] that be disappointing :( [17:13] Thanks MartijnVdS ... downloads now continuing [SuperEngineer hugs his Three dongle!] [17:50] Azelphur: which features? [18:15] i don't compiz changed much from a user's perspective between precise and quantal [18:47] nothing was actually removed. the default options were changed [18:47] the non-unity defaults that is [18:48] literally every plugin is disabled so now if yo run compiz without unity you can't even drag windows or have window decorations, unless you enable all the plugins manually [19:26] ali1234: huh? why did they do that? [19:26] probably the same reason they broke empathy for non-unity users [19:33] bleh [20:19] well it is because unity conflicts with everything because it implements stuff like a switcher and decorations [20:21] well we won't have to worry about that much longer will we (unless you're on 12.04) [20:21] hmm? [20:22] well, Sam isn't up for porting compiz to wayland.. [20:22] and Unity is (currently) a compiz plugin... [20:22] 2+2= [20:22] oh, but 13.04 is compiz again though [20:23] true [20:23] but 12.04 will outlive 13.04 [20:23] sam? [20:24] and after judgement day there will just be cockroaches and 12.04 [20:24] jacobw: compiz engineer smspillaz [20:25] i think i read about him leaving canonical recently [20:25] he did [20:25] you did [20:25] well, you may have, he did ☺ [20:25] :) [20:27] perhaps the development of not-compiz will be better for unity [20:27] perhaps [20:27] Keeping it a plugin makes it depend on compiz. [20:27] It doesn't have to though [20:27] What if compiz's developers were to magically disappear? ;) [20:27] mh0: they have in effect [20:27] bus factors are a fact of life [20:27] Unity has existed in 4 separate ports [20:27] AlanBell: I guess [20:28] so another one isn't going to make a lot of difference :D [20:29] gnome shell extensions \o/ [20:29] maybe not [20:29] * jacobw hopes unity is ported to QT (again, or the previous port is reused) to support wayland, QT and QML for app development [20:30] jacobw: that is likely, given the phone stuff and the claims that it is a single system across all platforms [20:30] I think reality may catch up with the marketing [20:32] i really hope NIH about QT doesn't kill standardization on QT/QML as a platform for 'app development' [20:32] who else is using QT now? [20:32] jolla [20:32] RIM [20:33] KDE Plasma [20:33] I was surprised to hear Firefox OS uses gecko [20:33] it was called "boot to gecko" up to recently [20:33] oh yeah ☺ [20:34] B2G is all over the documentation and wiki [20:34] odd choice [20:34] unless the competition can make gecko and webkit better [20:35] did you see the post by one of the Safari guys about when Steve Jobs unveiled KHTML as the renderer for Safari over Gecko? [20:35] dunno, mozilla know gecko, everyone knows how to write stuff for gecko [20:35] um, i'm not suprised that mozilla is using gecko [20:35] I'd have been very surprised if they hadn't used it [20:35] XUL works fine, I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't pushed further [20:36] mgdm: i'd be interested to see that [20:37] jacobw: http://donmelton.com/2013/01/10/safari-is-released-to-the-world/ - the last couple of paragraphs are entertaining [20:42] mgdm: nice [20:46] i thought it'd an ancient post from 2003 [20:46] the guy has a series of them, I think, recently [22:25] meow [22:25] * czajkowski pokes Laney [22:25] a hole forms [22:45] Chrome!!! *shakes fist* [23:06] neuro: what's up with it? [23:07] it went into full screen mode and wouldn't come out [23:07] quit it, restarted it and it went back into full screen mode [23:07] the second restart seemed to have brought it to its senses [23:07] hmm [23:10] i'm supposed to have an interview for dell secureworks tomorrow btw [23:10] oooh, cool [23:10] i say supposed to because the recruiter didn't get back to me on friday to confirm where i'm actually going [23:10] break a leg, etc [23:10] so i know tomorrow at 1pm i have an interview [23:10] i just don't know where or with whom :P [23:10] not sure if that's meant to be PM? :) [23:10] heh [23:11] na [23:11] i'm a blabber [23:11] I saw a sysadminy job going somewhere nearby recently [23:11] I'll see if I can find it [23:11] nearby to ... ? [23:11] I think it was Edinburgh [23:11] or environs [23:12] k :) [23:12] was it red61? [23:12] doesn't ring a bell - though I suspect it was via a recruiter === solarcloud_3scrn is now known as solarcloud_AFK === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away