| roasted | :D | 02:13 |
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| ThomasCorwin | JonathanD: Well first, i'm sorry that i will be using the channel the wrong way, but could you possibly contact e via email: tacorwin (at) outlook (dot) com | 03:17 |
| ThomasCorwin | me8 | 03:17 |
| ThomasCorwin | * | 03:17 |
| roasted | :D | 04:30 |
| waltman | Morning. | 12:21 |
| JonathanD | Hey. | 12:21 |
| JonathanD | Who is ThomasCorwin. | 12:21 |
| JonathanD | Oh | 12:22 |
| JonathanD | Thats the "doing a presentation near pittsburg" guy. | 12:22 |
| JonathanD | Wonder if he was really looking for me, or for jedijf, since you've communicated with him more jedijf. | 12:33 |
| waltman | The name sounds familiar. | 12:35 |
| JonathanD | He emailed the ubuntu pa list a while ago. | 12:37 |
| JonathanD | About doing some public "teach about ubuntu" thing. | 12:38 |
| waltman | oh, THAT guy | 12:52 |
| waltman | pleia2: Today is Penguin Awareness Day. Are you aware of penguins? | 12:55 |
| waltman | You get $10 off admission to the Philadelphia Zoo today and tomorrow if you dress like a penguin. | 12:56 |
| JonathanD | What? | 12:56 |
| JonathanD | Come on, if I dress like a penguin you should let me in free. | 12:57 |
| waltman | http://brynmawr.patch.com/articles/get-out-visit-a-local-aquarium-for-penguin-awareness-day-96f46766?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001 | 12:57 |
| waltman | But then they'd have to let all the nuns in for free. | 12:58 |
| JonathanD | That seems like a small price to pay. | 12:58 |
| waltman | Also James Bond | 13:01 |
| JonathanD | If james bond showed up at my zoo, I'd let him in free. Penguin day or no. | 13:04 |
| waltman | Orchestra conductors? | 13:06 |
| JonathanD | only if they bring the Orchestra | 13:06 |
| waltman | figure skating announcers? | 13:06 |
| JonathanD | What I would do, actually. | 13:06 |
| JonathanD | Free for any penguins, and your not-paid normal admission fee can still be used towards a year pass. | 13:06 |
| JonathanD | Incentive to sell passes. | 13:07 |
| waltman | I don't think I need to be too concerned about pleia2's awareness of penguins. | 13:08 |
| jedijf | JonathanD: he's *all* yours | 14:51 |
| JonathanD | I don't mind sharing. | 15:40 |
| roasted | :D | 15:58 |
| pleia2 | penguins <3 | 17:07 |
| roasted | hello! | 19:55 |
| roasted | someone give me their opinion on a few pending storage models I'm looking at before my head explodes | 19:55 |
| roasted | 12.04 headless server, dedicated OS drive, for storage I'm looking at... | 19:55 |
| roasted | 4x2TB WD Reds @ 500 dollars flat in RAID 6 configuration, OR 2x3TB Seagate HDDs in RAID 1 @ 280 dollars. | 19:56 |
| roasted | (I've also cosnidered not doing RAID 1 and just rsync data from one HDD to another nightly in an effort to restore a higher level of "backup" vs redundancy. | 19:56 |
| roasted | ) | 19:56 |
| ChinnoDog | You can do better than rsync for your backup. Use Crashplan to backup to a local hard drive. You don't need to pay for cloud storage to use the app and the external hard disk doesn't need to be fast. | 20:07 |
| roasted | What advantages would crashplan give me over rsync? | 20:08 |
| ChinnoDog | compressed deduped backups in real time | 20:09 |
| roasted | er - and rsync doesn't support that? | 20:09 |
| ChinnoDog | They aren't real time and you can't support multiple levels of backups easily | 20:09 |
| roasted | well, even still, the point is the hdd's wouldn't be raid'd | 20:10 |
| roasted | but drive B would serve as a backup to drive A | 20:10 |
| roasted | leaving A running by itself, so if it dies I WOULD be offline (whcih is why rsync would be nice beecause then I can put drive B in A's spot and be running in minutes by changing the mount point) | 20:10 |
| roasted | RMA the failed drive, get the new one in, put in drive B's spot, and rsync accordingy. | 20:11 |
| roasted | It's the best combination of backups vs redundancy I can find, even though it's not real time redundant much at all. | 20:11 |
| roasted | but the 500 dollar price tag is unreal to justify. I have my first child on the way. I just can't stomach dumping 500 on hard drives for my home server. :( | 20:11 |
| roasted | but I definitely need more space and I definitely want some sort of backup or redundancy | 20:12 |
| ChinnoDog | My backup plan if the data drive dies is to go around the corner to Microcenter and get a new hard drive. If the apartment burns down I'll get my backup from Crashplan central. | 20:18 |
| roasted | So you're not a big RAID guy? | 20:19 |
| ChinnoDog | Only raid 0. :-) My home server doesn't have the uptime requirements of a corporate environment nor the IT budget for parts that would go with that. | 20:23 |
| ChinnoDog | Quality hard drives that are mounted and ventilated properly do not die very frequently. | 20:24 |
| roasted | yeah, I hear you. | 20:27 |
| ChinnoDog | On the other hand, 15k RPM SCSI drives mounted in the upper 1/3 of a rack in a data center can get mightly toasty and have much higher usage than a disk at home. Multiply the number of disks in the data center by the failure rate in this environment and using RAID is a good idea so that you aren't constantly putting out fires. | 20:27 |
| roasted | Yeah, but corporate environments also have corporate budgets. | 20:27 |
| roasted | Plus if my server is offline, I don't lose money. I just gain a level of frustration. | 20:27 |
| roasted | I just want to fuss with my server as little as possible, which is why RAID 6 or something looked appealing to me. | 20:28 |
| roasted | But there IS a level of added functionality that comes from changing Drive B's mount point to Drive A, in the event Drive A dies. | 20:28 |
| roasted | I can be up and running in a minute. | 20:29 |
| roasted | Not to mention the fact that doing daily rsync's allows me to pull up data off the server in the event I ruined said file on my computer. | 20:29 |
| roasted | eh | 20:29 |
| ChinnoDog | Not using RAID is less expensive than using it. The cost of a replacement drive in even one years time that matches the size of the other volumes will be much less. | 20:31 |
| ChinnoDog | I have a slow USB 1.5TB drive I use for backups | 20:31 |
| roasted | But in my case, I'm debating between RAID 1 mirror or no mirror and rsync, however we're still talking 2x3TB HDDs. | 20:32 |
| roasted | So both situations cost the same. | 20:32 |
| roasted | I'm just wondering if a mirror makes sense, or if utilizing rsync (which removes a degree of real time redundancy, but grants me a level of backup protection) outweights the need for a raid mirror | 20:32 |
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