[02:13] :D [03:17] JonathanD: Well first, i'm sorry that i will be using the channel the wrong way, but could you possibly contact e via email: tacorwin (at) outlook (dot) com [03:17] me8 [03:17] * [04:30] :D [12:21] Morning. [12:21] Hey. [12:21] Who is ThomasCorwin. [12:22] Oh [12:22] Thats the "doing a presentation near pittsburg" guy. [12:33] Wonder if he was really looking for me, or for jedijf, since you've communicated with him more jedijf. [12:35] The name sounds familiar. [12:37] He emailed the ubuntu pa list a while ago. [12:38] About doing some public "teach about ubuntu" thing. [12:52] oh, THAT guy [12:55] pleia2: Today is Penguin Awareness Day. Are you aware of penguins? [12:56] You get $10 off admission to the Philadelphia Zoo today and tomorrow if you dress like a penguin. [12:56] What? [12:57] Come on, if I dress like a penguin you should let me in free. [12:57] http://brynmawr.patch.com/articles/get-out-visit-a-local-aquarium-for-penguin-awareness-day-96f46766?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001 [12:58] But then they'd have to let all the nuns in for free. [12:58] That seems like a small price to pay. [13:01] Also James Bond [13:04] If james bond showed up at my zoo, I'd let him in free. Penguin day or no. [13:06] Orchestra conductors? [13:06] only if they bring the Orchestra [13:06] figure skating announcers? [13:06] What I would do, actually. [13:06] Free for any penguins, and your not-paid normal admission fee can still be used towards a year pass. [13:07] Incentive to sell passes. [13:08] I don't think I need to be too concerned about pleia2's awareness of penguins. [14:51] JonathanD: he's *all* yours [15:40] I don't mind sharing. [15:58] :D [17:07] penguins <3 [19:55] hello! [19:55] someone give me their opinion on a few pending storage models I'm looking at before my head explodes [19:55] 12.04 headless server, dedicated OS drive, for storage I'm looking at... [19:56] 4x2TB WD Reds @ 500 dollars flat in RAID 6 configuration, OR 2x3TB Seagate HDDs in RAID 1 @ 280 dollars. [19:56] (I've also cosnidered not doing RAID 1 and just rsync data from one HDD to another nightly in an effort to restore a higher level of "backup" vs redundancy. [19:56] ) [20:07] You can do better than rsync for your backup. Use Crashplan to backup to a local hard drive. You don't need to pay for cloud storage to use the app and the external hard disk doesn't need to be fast. [20:08] What advantages would crashplan give me over rsync? [20:09] compressed deduped backups in real time [20:09] er - and rsync doesn't support that? [20:09] They aren't real time and you can't support multiple levels of backups easily [20:10] well, even still, the point is the hdd's wouldn't be raid'd [20:10] but drive B would serve as a backup to drive A [20:10] leaving A running by itself, so if it dies I WOULD be offline (whcih is why rsync would be nice beecause then I can put drive B in A's spot and be running in minutes by changing the mount point) [20:11] RMA the failed drive, get the new one in, put in drive B's spot, and rsync accordingy. [20:11] It's the best combination of backups vs redundancy I can find, even though it's not real time redundant much at all. [20:11] but the 500 dollar price tag is unreal to justify. I have my first child on the way. I just can't stomach dumping 500 on hard drives for my home server. :( [20:12] but I definitely need more space and I definitely want some sort of backup or redundancy [20:18] My backup plan if the data drive dies is to go around the corner to Microcenter and get a new hard drive. If the apartment burns down I'll get my backup from Crashplan central. [20:19] So you're not a big RAID guy? [20:23] Only raid 0. :-) My home server doesn't have the uptime requirements of a corporate environment nor the IT budget for parts that would go with that. [20:24] Quality hard drives that are mounted and ventilated properly do not die very frequently. [20:27] yeah, I hear you. [20:27] On the other hand, 15k RPM SCSI drives mounted in the upper 1/3 of a rack in a data center can get mightly toasty and have much higher usage than a disk at home. Multiply the number of disks in the data center by the failure rate in this environment and using RAID is a good idea so that you aren't constantly putting out fires. [20:27] Yeah, but corporate environments also have corporate budgets. [20:27] Plus if my server is offline, I don't lose money. I just gain a level of frustration. [20:28] I just want to fuss with my server as little as possible, which is why RAID 6 or something looked appealing to me. [20:28] But there IS a level of added functionality that comes from changing Drive B's mount point to Drive A, in the event Drive A dies. [20:29] I can be up and running in a minute. [20:29] Not to mention the fact that doing daily rsync's allows me to pull up data off the server in the event I ruined said file on my computer. [20:29] eh [20:31] Not using RAID is less expensive than using it. The cost of a replacement drive in even one years time that matches the size of the other volumes will be much less. [20:31] I have a slow USB 1.5TB drive I use for backups [20:32] But in my case, I'm debating between RAID 1 mirror or no mirror and rsync, however we're still talking 2x3TB HDDs. [20:32] So both situations cost the same. [20:32] I'm just wondering if a mirror makes sense, or if utilizing rsync (which removes a degree of real time redundancy, but grants me a level of backup protection) outweights the need for a raid mirror