[00:51] Riddell: updated bzr of *kscreen. Packaging needs some final touches, but would be good to update the pkgs in the experimental repo. Not sure if experimental is a good idea for wikipage [1] above. [00:51] Night [01:16] any one has some spare time to teach me packaging? === ejat- is now known as ejat [04:55] ::qt-bugs:: [1070764] Qt 4.8.1 does not render fonts correctly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1070764 (by Egon A. Rath) === valorie_ is now known as valorie [07:03] good morning ladies and gentlemen! === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [09:52] When is the freeze for "Not adding new packages" ? [09:52] aaah I'm such am ess with schedules === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [10:33] afiestas: feature freeze, but one can ask for feature freeze exception. [10:33] xnox: March 7 is it? [10:35] sounds about right =) [11:01] oks, then I have time to finish my stuff :p === 16WAAAJ2N is now known as toscalix === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [12:04] yofel: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.98 [12:14] shadeslayer: fancy reviewing some packages? [12:14] or apachelogger? [12:14] I guess [12:15] apachelogger: simon needs it https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages [12:16] dunno why but that sounded dirty [12:16] you and your mind [12:18] Hiyas all [12:21] Riddell: doc's gfdl licensing not mentioned in d/copyright === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [12:23] Quintasan_, about your failing test: I'll do a point release later on, to fix that warning. [12:25] Riddell: cmake/FindOpenCV.cmake appears to be lgpl [12:26] additionally the otherwise bsdness of the files in there are not reflected in d/copyright [12:29] Riddell: it appears simon data does not contain a whole lot, what do you think about moving the actual data to the simon package and rename the package to simon-l10n? [12:30] otherwise goody [12:34] Riddell: i have a question , with dolphin you can browse your phone via bluetooth . and infact bluetooth icon appears on systray but it doens't work [12:34] i mean i have my nokia here with bluetooth activated but it fails to connect with kubutnu [12:34] i have managed to connect it btw but i had to install extra packages [12:36] is that normal ? [12:40] Peace-: what did you have to install? [12:41] Riddell: bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexfs [12:41] i am not sure that everyone are needed [12:41] but with these i can use my phone now [12:41] directly from dolphin [12:42] hmm, that suggests we're missing something from our default install [12:43] i am on 13.04 [12:43] but i had that problem even before [12:44] Riddell: btw i can see my phone without it but it fails on browsing after i have written the password it just fails [12:44] bluetooth is not something I have much use for so not something I tend to test [12:45] Riddell: well i don't use it too but because of my flash card has some problem i had to use yesterday [12:45] and the only way to access was bluetooth [12:45] but it did not work :D [12:45] wammu won't recognize my motorola phone, the usb bus/device , even tho lsusb lists the phone [12:46] BluesKaj: tried with bluetooth ? [12:46] Peace-, no bluetooth devices [12:46] ah [12:47] or adapters [12:48] I just want to transfer picture to the pc ...don't need it as a modem [12:48] pictires [12:48] bah [12:49] BluesKaj: :P http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/21/plasma-desktopz24941.png [12:51] Peace-, and? [12:51] BluesKaj: i had the same problem usb conncection was not working with bluetooth worked :D [12:52] BluesKaj: your phone supports taht or not ? [12:52] if it supports it you can buy a bluetooth for few bucks [12:52] i guess i have spent 5 euros [12:53] Peace-, I just use W7 to do it [12:54] ah i have not it [12:54] just kubuntu [12:55] I've had this phone for a while , it should work with a usb connection , others have been able to make it work on linux [12:56] mm [12:56] lsusb ? [12:56] lsusb | grep -i moto [13:01] lsusb shows the phone , it's the wammu app that doesn't see it [13:03] BluesKaj: you can't mount it like extranall driver ? [13:03] external [13:04] hmm, never tried [13:05] i can't right now ...wife has the phone at work [13:06] apachelogger: isn't it great how every cmake file uses a slightly different variation of the BSD? [13:08] it's what you get for using BSD [13:11] apachelogger: fancy reviewing another? [13:14] I guess [13:17] apachelogger: oyranos in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages is needed a check === cmagina_away is now known as cmagina [13:43] Riddell: is the debian control file created manually for every package? [13:44] phoenix_firebrd: yes, but usually from a template in dh_make or copied from another package [13:45] Riddell: Till now i am doing that, but can this be automated? [13:46] phoenix_firebrd: dh_make or cp are your friends [13:47] phoenix_firebrd: what do you package? [13:47] Riddell: dh_make only creates the shell [13:47] yeah, if your package has any unusual needs you need to add them yourself [13:48] Riddell: ok [13:50] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~murthy [13:51] Riddell: I am using the ppas for learning purpose [13:54] Riddell: code copies ftw [13:55] also I should mention that the code copy of elektra contains autotools build sytem files which are licensed GPL which is not mentioned and no complete copy is present [14:00] phoenix_firebrd: excellent, want to become an elite kubuntu packager? [14:00] Riddell: thats the main reason i am here [14:00] awesome :) [14:00] Riddell: I am a fan of the packaging team [14:01] Right now my aim is to release packages before suse [14:02] ^ [14:02] Riddell: ^ [14:02] woo [14:03] phoenix_firebrd: got any favourite packages or needing suggestions? [14:03] Riddell: please suggest [14:03] looking at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html I see libkolabxml needs an update [14:04] I'm not convinced that site is a complete list though [14:04] Riddell: I will do it all [14:06] phoenix_firebrd: let me know if you need any help [14:07] Riddell: sure [14:17] afiestas: do you think kscreen is ready for ubuntu archive or keep it in experimental PPA for now? [14:23] ::qt-bugs:: [1102407] missing 32 bits compatibility package on amd64 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102407 (by Jérôme) [14:31] Riddell: by the time of 13.04 it should be rock solid [14:31] so maybe you want to consider having it by default [14:31] we can always remove it if by the first beta it is not stable [14:32] ok I'll throw it up into the archive [14:32] and test it more when I get home with a projector there [14:32] wokz, make sure to have updated jqson, that's all it requires === lftp is now known as Tonio_ === yofel__ changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Raring Alpha 1 Released | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | oxygen-fonts in experimental PPA (from oneiric to raring) === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [15:25] ::qt-bugs:: [1102407] missing 32 bits compatibility package on amd64 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102407 (by Jérôme) === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [15:43] ok I'll throw it up into the archive [15:44] did I mention that qt5 has builtin json? [15:45] you did not [15:45] it does [15:45] that is useful [15:45] I then tried to turn phonon into json [15:45] I failed [15:45] nevertheless very handy to have builtin json [15:45] um, is there much need of json in multimedia? [15:45] no [15:45] well [15:45] maybe some interesting ascii art video output? [15:46] yes please [15:46] youtubes has json api [15:46] there's never too much ascii [15:46] (or xml, tho xml is crap according to Linus...) [15:47] so if you were to build a multimedia application that natively integrates with youtube and friends you kinda want json [15:50] allee: "Fix/find correct name for my abbrev. GPL-KDEeV" I think that abbreviation is fine, but I think when I package I just am lazy and call it GPL-2+ [15:50] allee: "how to treat GPL-kdeev?" why does it need treated any differently? [15:52] Riddell: ^^ is no longer a topic. I'm not sure that a GPL copying file in the source is enough for GPL-KDEeV license header [15:52] s/not sure/sure/ [15:52] allee meant: "Riddell: ^^ is no longer a topic. I'm sure that a GPL copying file in the source is enough for GPL-KDEeV license header" [15:54] allee: uploaded to raring! (and experimental PPA) [15:54] Riddell: Great!! Thx [15:57] allee, Riddell: FWIW IMHO with gpl-kdeev you'd need a gpl2 and 3 copy [15:59] no you wouldn't [15:59] it's just the same as gpl2+ [15:59] where a copy of gpl2 serves the lowest common denominator [16:07] interesting https://projects.kde.org/news/179 Comparison of Oxygen Font with Ubuntu Font [16:09] Riddell, indeed [16:10] Riddell, oxygen fonts seem much more eye-friendly on that whiteish background [16:12] just a so much better font it is === valdiyen is now known as cmagina [16:16] trying out Qt theme with 13.04 and KDE 4.10 ...close to the edge of crashing each app when launched :) [16:18] qt theme? [16:28] apachelogger, yeah installed from the repos [16:29] what is a qt theme? [16:31] wrong choice of words , system settings> application appearance > style> widget style [16:32] apachelogger: ok if I upload oxygen fonts to the archive? [16:32] yes [16:32] as long as you upload the right version :P [16:32] version 3 in-progress [16:32] 0.3 [16:32] is that approved by upstream? [16:33] by nuno it is [16:33] fair enough then [16:33] anyone have an idea if kio-upnp-ms is even supported? [16:34] or is actively maintained [16:34] I suspect not [16:34] bug 975327 [16:34] bug 975327 in hupnp (Ubuntu) "libhupnp 1.0.0, cagibi >=0.2, kio-upnp-ms, all needed in repositories" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975327 === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [17:27] 4.9.98 ready for testing? [17:28] Tm_T: it's out [17:28] more testing welcomed [17:48] why hello gspr [17:48] :P [17:49] gspr: what can kubuntu do for you today? [17:49] KDE bug 306186 seems to affect Kubuntu's kde-workspace 4:4.9.4-0ubuntu0.2, and is quite an annoying problem in my opinion. Upstream's patch applies cleanly against 4:4.9.4-0ubuntu0.2 and fixes the problem (at least as far as I can tell for after testing for a few days) [17:49] KDE bug 306186 in core "Password Dialog stays on top of all windows after unlocking the desktop" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306186 [17:50] Riddell: I'd like to do a little bit for Kubuntu (although the work has been done upstream), but I don't really know how to proceed. [17:50] How do I go about suggesting upstream's patch for inclusion into (k)ubuntu? [17:50] It's a simple patch, and the problem is well-understood (and very annoying) [17:51] gspr: well you've just done the suggesting :) [17:51] but the packaging is the next step [17:51] also checking with upstream [17:52] OK [17:52] gspr: know anything about packaging? [17:52] Riddell: Yes, I package stuff for my PPA every now and then, but I seldom get to hear criticism - meaning I probably do a lot of things wrong :) [17:53] gspr: actually first step is to check for bugs in launchpad or report one if it doesn't exist [17:53] Riddell: I've got a patched version of kde-workspace in my PPA, which simply adds the upstream patch to debian/patches and appends its name to debian/patches/series. That builds without warnings (as far as I can see) and solves the problem (as far as three-four days of testing suggests) [17:54] yeah that's about all that's needed for a technical solution [17:54] but this is a stable release update so needs some beurocracy [17:54] so needs a bug in launchpad [17:55] Riddell: Right, that makes sense. Upstream has the bug as relating to "component kwin", while I patched kde-workspace in (k)ubunut's case. So I just report a bug against kde-workspace on launchpad then? [17:56] Riddell: Also, for the bug report, should I describe/summarize the problem and upstream analysis, or is linking sufficient? In this case, the upstream discussion is short and clear. [17:56] yes, kwin is part of kde-workspace [17:56] ah, right, ok [17:56] summarise it yes, just a sentence needed [17:56] OK. I'll check if it's already reported, and report it otherwise. [17:56] and if you can work out how to link the bug to the upstream bug that's bonus points [17:56] hehe ok [17:58] It doesn't seem to be at bugs.launchpad.net yet, so I'll report [18:06] Riddell: Is this OK? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1102540 [18:06] Ubuntu bug 1102540 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Screen unlock password dialog stays visible and on top forever after unlocking" [Undecided,New] [18:07] gspr: good good [18:07] gspr: click Also affects project to link it to upstream [18:07] Riddell: Ah, ok. Thanks the help :-) [18:13] Riddell: I'll also add: Thanks for the work you've put into KDE on ubuntu! I see your name all over the place, so I can only imagine you've done a lot :-) [18:14] gspr: ah but now you're here you can do a lot too :) [18:15] Riddell: I don't have time to contribute with anything beyond the occasional bug report, sadly. :-/ [18:16] that's plenty enough [18:16] gspr: so for this update you need a debdiff, get the original package and get the package with patch and changelog added and run debdiff on the .dsc files [18:16] and attach that to the bug [18:16] then subscribe ubuntu-sru [18:17] and poke me into uploading it [18:17] I'm going to pump some iron in the gym! back soon [18:17] ::workspace-bugs:: [1102540] Screen unlock password dialog stays visible and on top forever after unlocking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102540 (by Gard Spreemann) === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [20:56] shadeslayer: hey [20:59] hi cyphermox [20:59] how are you? :) [21:02] I'm good :) [21:04] cyphermox: how do you do? [21:04] not bad [21:05] shadeslayer: I had a work item to speak to you about the KDE networkmanagement app VPN plugins [21:05] shadeslayer: remember what it might be about? :) [21:06] ah yes :) [21:07] it was that while the VPN plugins are listed, they might/might not be installed [21:07] so when a user clicks on a plugin that is not installs, we launch the package manager and prod the user to install it [21:07] kind of like what we do with gstreamer plugin search [21:08] ( play an avi file -> can't find the gst plugin, search repo and prompt user to install it ) [21:18] screen block is broken in RC3 ? [21:19] cyphermox: it was also decided that it would be better to have this in nm itself [21:20] ah [21:20] I'm not sure it's a matter of a list so much though [21:20] matter of a list? [21:20] well [21:21] ideally you should be able to add a new VPN plugin without having to modify NM code [21:21] AFAIK it would go kind of like the gst plugin, the UI should handle it, and just have enough logic to know to search for any package starting with "network-manager-(vpn)" for instance. [21:22] I see, well, the use case we got a couple of months back ( right before UDS ), was that someone was trying to use one of the VPN plugins via the KDE Frontend, but that plugin was not installed [21:22] right [21:22] cyphermox: I think I proposed that initially [21:22] but then someone said that it makes more sense to do it in NM itself [21:23] I guess I could have said that [21:23] it's just that the choice of package manager then makes more sense in the UI I guess [21:23] I don't remember :D [21:23] so no point in changing NM just to add a regex or whatever to list the names of packages for NM :D [21:24] iirc it was you who said that you could make a packagekit interface [21:24] s/make a/use the/ [21:24] shadeslayer meant: "iirc it was you who said that you could use the packagekit interface" [21:24] by that I mean that you might be using KPackageKit or whatever, where on Gnome it would be something else [21:24] yeah [21:25] still it would really have to all be done in the UI [21:25] I think [21:25] but fair enough -- at least now I know that it's as I thought, about how to make it easier to install the VPN plugins [21:25] okay :) [21:26] how about I write an email to the kde nm developer so that we can discuss this? [21:27] will CC you and JontheEchidna ( qapt/muon dev which is what Kubuntu uses by default ) [21:28] ::workspace-bugs:: [1102540] Screen unlock password dialog stays visible and on top forever after unlocking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102540 (by Gard Spreemann) [21:28] shadeslayer: that would be awesome [21:28] cool :) [21:28] so now I can mark off the "talk to..." work item :) [21:32] :D [21:44] Riddell: reading the latest email on k-c-d it seems to me that colord is a better choice for users at the moment because it has CUPS support [21:57] shadeslayer: good thing that's what we use === cmagina is now known as cmagina_away [23:49] shadeslayer: I've seen that active stuff being installed a few times already - haven't managed to reproduce it [23:49] well [23:49] i just run apper, that is not the programs i used to installed some alarm clock, different interfance. [23:49] hm [23:49] assuming that means what I think it means [23:50] it was more like ubuntu software center since the icons for applications was showing. [23:50] and that & [23:50] er ^ [23:51] well, just going from that apt history page [23:51] yeah [23:51] he added he ppa and tried to install kalarm [23:51] ah no [23:51] ppa? [23:52] he installed kubuntu and tried to install kalarm. Apt then messed the 4.9.2 -> 4.9.4 deps up [23:52] ah [23:52] that's what it looks like to me at least [23:52] * yofel tries to reproduce that [23:52] note how it also removed muon [23:53] anyway, I've gtg take a break or I'll melt down [23:53] heh, go ahead :)