[00:51] <allee> Riddell: updated bzr of *kscreen. Packaging needs some final touches, but would be good to  update the pkgs in the experimental repo.   Not sure if experimental is a good idea for wikipage [1]  above.
[00:51] <allee> Night
[01:16] <phoenix_firebrd> any one has some spare time to teach me packaging?
[04:55] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1070764] Qt 4.8.1 does not render fonts correctly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1070764 (by Egon A. Rath)
[07:03] <jussi> good morning ladies and gentlemen!
[09:52] <afiestas> When is the freeze for "Not adding new packages" ?
[09:52] <afiestas> aaah I'm such am ess with schedules
[10:33] <xnox> afiestas: feature freeze, but one can ask for feature freeze exception.
[10:33] <afiestas> xnox: March 7 is it?
[10:35] <xnox> sounds about right =)
[11:01] <afiestas> oks, then I have time to finish my stuff :p
[12:04] <Riddell> yofel: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.98
[12:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fancy reviewing some packages?
[12:14] <Riddell> or apachelogger?
[12:14] <apachelogger> I guess
[12:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: simon needs it https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[12:16] <apachelogger> dunno why but that sounded dirty
[12:16] <Riddell> you and your mind
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: doc's gfdl licensing not mentioned in d/copyright
[12:23] <mikhas> Quintasan_, about your failing test: I'll do a point release later on, to fix that warning.
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: cmake/FindOpenCV.cmake appears to be lgpl
[12:26] <apachelogger> additionally the otherwise bsdness of the files in there are not reflected in d/copyright
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: it appears simon data does not contain a whole lot, what do you think about moving the actual data to the simon package and rename the package to  simon-l10n?
[12:30] <apachelogger> otherwise goody
[12:34] <Peace-> Riddell: i have a question , with dolphin you can browse your phone via bluetooth . and infact bluetooth icon appears on systray but it doens't work 
[12:34] <Peace-> i mean i have my nokia here with bluetooth activated but it fails to connect with kubutnu 
[12:34] <Peace-> i have managed to connect it btw but i had to install extra packages 
[12:36] <Peace-> is that normal ?
[12:40] <Riddell> Peace-: what did you have to install?
[12:41] <Peace-> Riddell: bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexfs
[12:41] <Peace-> i am not sure that everyone are needed 
[12:41] <Peace-> but with these i can use my phone now
[12:41] <Peace-> directly from dolphin
[12:42] <Riddell> hmm, that suggests we're missing something from our default install
[12:43] <Peace-> i am on 13.04
[12:43] <Peace-> but i had that problem even before
[12:44] <Peace-> Riddell: btw i can see my phone without it but it fails on browsing after i have written the password it just fails
[12:44] <Riddell> bluetooth is not something I have much use for so not something I tend to test
[12:45] <Peace-> Riddell: well i don't use it too but because of my flash card has some problem i had to use yesterday 
[12:45] <Peace-> and the only way to access was bluetooth 
[12:45] <Peace-> but it did not work :D
[12:45] <BluesKaj> wammu won't recognize my motorola phone, the usb bus/device , even tho lsusb lists the phone 
[12:46] <Peace-> BluesKaj: tried with bluetooth ?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Peace-, no bluetooth devices
[12:46] <Peace-> ah
[12:47] <BluesKaj> or adapters
[12:48] <BluesKaj> I just want to transfer picture to the pc ...don't need it as a modem 
[12:48] <BluesKaj> pictires
[12:48] <BluesKaj> bah
[12:49] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/21/plasma-desktopz24941.png
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Peace-, and?
[12:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i had the same problem usb conncection was not working with bluetooth worked :D
[12:52] <Peace-> BluesKaj: your phone supports taht or not ?
[12:52] <Peace-> if it supports it you can buy a bluetooth for few bucks 
[12:52] <Peace-> i guess i have spent 5 euros 
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I just use W7 to do it 
[12:54] <Peace-> ah i have not it 
[12:54] <Peace-> just kubuntu
[12:55] <BluesKaj> I've had this phone for a while , it should work with a usb connection , others have been able to make it work on linux
[12:56] <Peace-> mm
[12:56] <Peace-> lsusb ? 
[12:56] <Peace-> lsusb | grep -i moto 
[13:01] <BluesKaj> lsusb shows the phone , it's the wammu app that doesn't see it
[13:03] <Peace-> BluesKaj: you can't mount it like extranall driver ?
[13:03] <Peace-> external 
[13:04] <BluesKaj> hmm, never tried
[13:05] <BluesKaj> i can't right now ...wife has the phone at work
[13:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: isn't it great how every cmake file uses a slightly different variation of the BSD?
[13:08] <apachelogger> it's what you get for using BSD
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: fancy reviewing another?
[13:14] <apachelogger> I guess
[13:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: oyranos in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages is needed a check
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: is the debian control file created manually for every package?
[13:44] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: yes, but usually from a template in dh_make or copied from another package
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: Till now i am doing that, but can this be automated?
[13:46] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: dh_make or cp are your friends
[13:47] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: what do you package?
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: dh_make only creates the shell
[13:47] <Riddell> yeah, if your package has any unusual needs you need to add them yourself
[13:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ok
[13:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~murthy
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I am using the ppas for learning purpose
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: code copies ftw
[13:55] <apachelogger> also I should mention that the code copy of elektra contains autotools build sytem files which are licensed GPL which is not mentioned and no complete copy is present
[14:00] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: excellent, want to become an elite kubuntu packager?
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: thats the main reason i am here
[14:00] <Riddell> awesome :)
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I am a fan of the packaging team
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Right now my aim is to release packages before suse
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ^
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ^
[14:02] <Riddell> woo
[14:03] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: got any favourite packages or needing suggestions?
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: please suggest
[14:03] <Riddell> looking at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html I see libkolabxml needs an update
[14:04] <Riddell> I'm not convinced that site is a complete list though
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I will do it all
[14:06] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: let me know if you need any help
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: sure
[14:17] <Riddell> afiestas: do you think kscreen is ready for ubuntu archive or keep it in experimental PPA for now?
[14:23] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1102407] missing 32 bits compatibility package on amd64 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102407 (by Jérôme)
[14:31] <afiestas> Riddell: by the time of 13.04 it should be rock solid
[14:31] <afiestas> so maybe you want to consider having it by default
[14:31] <afiestas> we can always remove it if by the first beta it is not stable
[14:32] <Riddell> ok I'll throw it up into the archive
[14:32] <Riddell> and test it more when I get home with a projector there
[14:32] <afiestas> wokz, make sure to have updated jqson, that's all it requires
[15:25] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1102407] missing 32 bits compatibility package on amd64 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102407 (by Jérôme)
[15:43] <Riddell> ok I'll throw it up into the archive
[15:44] <apachelogger> did I mention that qt5 has builtin json?
[15:45] <Riddell> you did not
[15:45] <apachelogger> it does
[15:45] <Riddell> that is useful
[15:45] <apachelogger> I then tried to turn phonon into json
[15:45] <apachelogger> I failed
[15:45] <apachelogger> nevertheless very handy to have builtin json
[15:45] <Riddell> um, is there much need of json in multimedia?
[15:45] <apachelogger> no
[15:45] <apachelogger> well
[15:45] <Riddell> maybe some interesting ascii art video output?
[15:46] <Tm_T> yes please
[15:46] <apachelogger> youtubes has json api
[15:46] <Tm_T> there's never too much ascii
[15:46] <apachelogger> (or xml, tho xml is crap according to Linus...)
[15:47] <apachelogger> so if you were to build a multimedia application that natively integrates with youtube and friends you kinda want json
[15:50] <Riddell> allee: "Fix/find correct name for my abbrev. GPL-KDEeV"  I think that abbreviation is fine, but I think when I package I just am lazy and call it GPL-2+
[15:50] <Riddell> allee: "how to treat GPL-kdeev?" why does it need treated any differently?
[15:52] <allee> Riddell: ^^ is no longer a topic.  I'm not sure that a GPL copying file in the source is enough for GPL-KDEeV license header
[15:52] <allee> s/not sure/sure/
[15:52] <kubotu> allee meant: "Riddell: ^^ is no longer a topic.  I'm sure that a GPL copying file in the source is enough for GPL-KDEeV license header"
[15:54] <Riddell> allee: uploaded to raring! (and experimental PPA)
[15:54] <allee> Riddell: Great!! Thx
[15:57] <apachelogger> allee, Riddell: FWIW IMHO with gpl-kdeev you'd need a gpl2 and 3 copy
[15:59] <Riddell> no you wouldn't
[15:59] <Riddell> it's just the same as gpl2+
[15:59] <Riddell> where a copy of gpl2 serves the lowest common denominator
[16:07] <Riddell> interesting  https://projects.kde.org/news/179   Comparison of Oxygen Font with Ubuntu Font
[16:09] <flow__> Riddell, indeed
[16:10] <flow__> Riddell, oxygen fonts seem much more eye-friendly on that whiteish background
[16:12] <apachelogger> just a so much better font it is
[16:16] <BluesKaj> trying out Qt theme with 13.04 and KDE 4.10 ...close to the edge of crashing each app when launched :)
[16:18] <apachelogger> qt theme?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, yeah installed from the repos
[16:29] <apachelogger> what is a qt theme?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> wrong choice of words , system settings> application appearance > style> widget style
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok if I upload oxygen fonts to the archive?
[16:32] <apachelogger> yes
[16:32] <apachelogger> as long as you upload the right version :P
[16:32] <Riddell> version 3 in-progress
[16:32] <Riddell> 0.3
[16:32] <apachelogger> is that approved by upstream?
[16:33] <Riddell> by nuno it is
[16:33] <apachelogger> fair enough then
[16:33] <shadeslayer> anyone have an idea if kio-upnp-ms is even supported?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> or is actively maintained
[16:34] <Riddell> I suspect not
[16:34] <shadeslayer> bug 975327
[17:27] <Tm_T> 4.9.98 ready for testing?
[17:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's out
[17:28] <Riddell> more testing welcomed
[17:48] <Riddell> why hello gspr 
[17:48] <gspr> :P
[17:49] <Riddell> gspr: what can kubuntu do for you today?
[17:49] <gspr> KDE bug 306186 seems to affect Kubuntu's kde-workspace 4:4.9.4-0ubuntu0.2, and is quite an annoying problem in my opinion. Upstream's patch applies cleanly against 4:4.9.4-0ubuntu0.2 and fixes the problem (at least as far as I can tell for after testing for a few days)
[17:50] <gspr> Riddell: I'd like to do a little bit for Kubuntu (although the work has been done upstream), but I don't really know how to proceed.
[17:50] <gspr> How do I go about suggesting upstream's patch for inclusion into (k)ubuntu?
[17:50] <gspr> It's a simple patch, and the problem is well-understood (and very annoying)
[17:51] <Riddell> gspr: well you've just done the suggesting :)
[17:51] <Riddell> but the packaging is the next step
[17:51] <Riddell> also checking with upstream
[17:52] <gspr> OK
[17:52] <Riddell> gspr: know anything about packaging?
[17:52] <gspr> Riddell: Yes, I package stuff for my PPA every now and then, but I seldom get to hear criticism - meaning I probably do a lot of things wrong :)
[17:53] <Riddell> gspr: actually first step is to check for bugs in launchpad or report one if it doesn't exist
[17:53] <gspr> Riddell: I've got a patched version of kde-workspace in my PPA, which simply adds the upstream patch to debian/patches and appends its name to debian/patches/series. That builds without warnings (as far as I can see) and solves the problem (as far as three-four days of testing suggests)
[17:54] <Riddell> yeah that's about all that's needed for a technical solution
[17:54] <Riddell> but this is a stable release update so needs some beurocracy
[17:54] <Riddell> so needs a bug in launchpad
[17:55] <gspr> Riddell: Right, that makes sense. Upstream has the bug as relating to "component kwin", while I patched kde-workspace in (k)ubunut's case. So I just report a bug against kde-workspace on launchpad then?
[17:56] <gspr> Riddell: Also, for the bug report, should I describe/summarize the problem and upstream analysis, or is linking sufficient? In this case, the upstream discussion is short and clear.
[17:56] <Riddell> yes, kwin is part of kde-workspace
[17:56] <gspr> ah, right, ok
[17:56] <Riddell> summarise it yes, just a sentence needed
[17:56] <gspr> OK. I'll check if it's already reported, and report it otherwise.
[17:56] <Riddell> and if you can work out how to link the bug to the upstream bug that's bonus points
[17:56] <gspr> hehe ok
[17:58] <gspr> It doesn't seem to be at bugs.launchpad.net yet, so I'll report
[18:06] <gspr> Riddell: Is this OK? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1102540
[18:07] <Riddell> gspr: good good
[18:07] <Riddell> gspr: click Also affects project to link it to upstream
[18:07] <gspr> Riddell: Ah, ok. Thanks the help :-)
[18:13] <gspr> Riddell: I'll also add: Thanks for the work you've put into KDE on ubuntu! I see your name all over the place, so I can only imagine you've done a lot :-)
[18:14] <Riddell> gspr: ah but now you're here you can do a lot too :)
[18:15] <gspr> Riddell: I don't have time to contribute with anything beyond the occasional bug report, sadly. :-/
[18:16] <Riddell> that's plenty enough
[18:16] <Riddell> gspr: so for this update you need a debdiff, get the original package and get the package with patch and changelog added and run debdiff on the .dsc files
[18:16] <Riddell> and attach that to the bug
[18:16] <Riddell> then subscribe ubuntu-sru
[18:17] <Riddell> and poke me into uploading it
[18:17] <Riddell> I'm going to pump some iron in the gym! back soon
[18:17] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1102540] Screen unlock password dialog stays visible and on top forever after unlocking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102540 (by Gard Spreemann)
[20:56] <cyphermox> shadeslayer: hey
[20:59] <shadeslayer> hi cyphermox
[20:59] <cyphermox> how are you? :)
[21:02] <shadeslayer> I'm good :)
[21:04] <shadeslayer> cyphermox: how do you do?
[21:04] <cyphermox> not bad
[21:05] <cyphermox> shadeslayer: I had a work item to speak to you about the KDE networkmanagement app VPN plugins 
[21:05] <cyphermox> shadeslayer: remember what it might be about? :)
[21:06] <shadeslayer> ah yes :)
[21:07] <shadeslayer> it was that while the VPN plugins are listed, they might/might not be installed
[21:07] <shadeslayer> so when a user clicks on a plugin that is not installs, we launch the package manager and prod the user to install it
[21:07] <shadeslayer> kind of like what we do with gstreamer plugin search
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ( play an avi file -> can't find the gst plugin, search repo and prompt user to install it )
[21:18] <soee> screen block is broken in RC3 ?
[21:19] <shadeslayer> cyphermox: it was also decided that it would be better to have this in nm itself
[21:20] <cyphermox> ah
[21:20] <cyphermox> I'm not sure it's a matter of a list so much though
[21:20] <shadeslayer> matter of a list?
[21:20] <cyphermox> well
[21:21] <cyphermox> ideally you should be able to add a new VPN plugin without having to modify NM code
[21:21] <cyphermox> AFAIK it would go kind of like the gst plugin, the UI should handle it, and just have enough logic to know to search for any package starting with "network-manager-(vpn)" for instance.
[21:22] <shadeslayer> I see, well, the use case we got a couple of months back ( right before UDS ), was that someone was trying to use one of the VPN plugins via the KDE Frontend, but that plugin was not installed
[21:22] <cyphermox> right
[21:22] <shadeslayer> cyphermox: I think I proposed that initially
[21:22] <shadeslayer> but then someone said that it makes more sense to do it in NM itself
[21:23] <cyphermox> I guess I could have said that
[21:23] <cyphermox> it's just that the choice of package manager then makes more sense in the UI I guess
[21:23] <shadeslayer> I don't remember :D
[21:23] <cyphermox> so no point in changing NM just to add a regex or whatever to list the names of packages for NM :D
[21:24] <shadeslayer> iirc it was you who said that you could make a packagekit interface
[21:24] <shadeslayer> s/make a/use the/
[21:24] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "iirc it was you who said that you could use the packagekit interface"
[21:24] <cyphermox> by that I mean that you might be using KPackageKit or whatever, where on Gnome it would be something else
[21:24] <cyphermox> yeah
[21:25] <cyphermox> still it would really have to all be done in the UI
[21:25] <cyphermox> I think
[21:25] <cyphermox> but fair enough -- at least now I know that it's as I thought, about how to make it easier to install the VPN plugins
[21:25] <shadeslayer> okay :)
[21:26] <shadeslayer> how about I write an email to the kde nm developer so that we can discuss this?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> will CC you and JontheEchidna ( qapt/muon dev which is what Kubuntu uses by default )
[21:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1102540] Screen unlock password dialog stays visible and on top forever after unlocking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1102540 (by Gard Spreemann)
[21:28] <cyphermox> shadeslayer: that would be awesome
[21:28] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[21:28] <cyphermox> so now I can mark off the "talk to..." work item :)
[21:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: reading the latest email on k-c-d it seems to me that colord is a better choice for users at the moment because it has CUPS support
[21:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: good thing that's what we use
[23:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: I've seen that active stuff being installed a few times already - haven't managed to reproduce it
[23:49] <shadeslayer> well 
 i just run apper, that is not the programs i used to installed some alarm clock, different interfance.
[23:49] <yofel> hm
[23:49] <shadeslayer> assuming that means what I think it means
 it was more like ubuntu software center since the icons for applications was showing.
[23:50] <shadeslayer> and that &
[23:50] <shadeslayer> er ^
[23:51] <yofel> well, just going from that apt history page
[23:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[23:51] <yofel> he added he ppa and tried to install kalarm
[23:51] <yofel> ah no
[23:51] <shadeslayer> ppa?
[23:52] <yofel> he installed kubuntu and tried to install kalarm. Apt then messed the 4.9.2 -> 4.9.4 deps up
[23:52] <shadeslayer> ah
[23:52] <yofel> that's what it looks like to me at least
[23:52]  * yofel tries to reproduce that
[23:52] <shadeslayer> note how it also removed muon
[23:53] <shadeslayer> anyway, I've gtg take a break or I'll melt down
[23:53] <yofel> heh, go ahead :)