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| skellat | Hunh: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/ubuntu-considers-huge-change-that-would-end-traditional-release-cycle/ | 02:49 |
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| skellat | Hmm...it looks like we're going to skip the releases between LTS releases. This may be a good thing. | 02:52 |
| Unit193 | paultag: Poke, got a sec? | 04:32 |
| dzho | meet the new Debian, same as the old Debian | 12:48 |
| paultag | Unit193: yessir. | 14:27 |
| paultag | What can I do to help? | 14:27 |
| Unit193 | Well, nothing at the moment, was/am looking into the route of getting a package in Debian, don't think it'd go so well. :P | 14:28 |
| paultag | ah :) | 14:31 |
| paultag | why not? :) | 14:31 |
| paultag | I'd be happy to help you get started, and if it's within my core bits, i'd be happy to sponsor | 14:31 |
| Unit193 | Debian is quite strict, but the larger one is I'm guessing they'd want a name other than "Unit 193" (which happens to be what I'm known as), and history of the package, last person that tried was an issue. | 14:33 |
| Unit193 | (So says the dev of it) | 14:33 |
| paultag | well | 14:33 |
| paultag | I'm a fairly average DD | 14:33 |
| paultag | Debian is about as strict as me | 14:33 |
| paultag | don't worry about that | 14:33 |
| paultag | as for the name thing, we can find a way around that, no problem. | 14:34 |
| paultag | and what do you mean, the last person was an issue | 14:34 |
| Unit193 | <@h2> Unit193: oh, sorry, I left out some stuff, the last guy who tried packaging it ended up constantly bugging me about this or that, and telling the debian guys wrong things where I had to do all this research just to make sure he didn't totally mess it up, ie, it wasn't labor saving for me. <@h2> he also kept misreading and misunderstanding simple documentation and creating issues where none existeed <@h2> thus my fear that the ... | 14:36 |
| Unit193 | ... debian guys remember inxi, lol | 14:36 |
| Unit193 | Registered and uploaded to mentors. :P | 14:37 |
| paultag | cool | 14:37 |
| paultag | email me the pointer to the .dsc or a vcs link | 14:37 |
| paultag | if you have any other information, that'd help too | 14:37 |
| paultag | my usual sponsorship guidelines are @ http://people.debian.org/~paultag/sponsorship | 14:37 |
| Unit193 | Heh, thanks, I'll take a read! | 14:38 |
| paultag | but don't worry if you don't understand some of them, I'll clarify as needed | 14:38 |
| paultag | sure, Unit193 :) | 14:38 |
| paultag | sponsoring is one of my favorate Debian things | 14:38 |
| paultag | I try to do a lot of it | 14:38 |
| Cheri703 | why would some OTHER guy being annoying stop YOU from doing something? If nothing else, they'd be like OMG SOMEONE ELSE, PLEASE DO THIS! | 15:24 |
| Cheri703 | I'd think at least | 15:24 |
| skellat | Well, this sucks: http://ohiolmi.com/laus/ColorRateMap.pdf | 15:38 |
| Cheri703 | I don't click on random pdf links....what is it? | 15:45 |
| skellat | The current unemployment rates breakdown by county | 15:46 |
| Cheri703 | ah | 15:46 |
| skellat | Ashtabula isn't the worst BUT we still come in at 9% | 15:46 |
| skellat | Worst in the state is Pike County at over 11% | 15:48 |
| Cheri703 | what's richland county? | 15:53 |
| * dzho always thinks of Montgomery Cty. being further north than it is. | 15:54 | |
| skellat | Richland County is 7.6%...just barely below the US average | 15:58 |
| Cheri703 | surprising | 15:58 |
| skellat | The bad part is that even with holiday hiring, our percentage in Ashtabula County went UP from November 2012 | 16:00 |
| Cheri703 | uuuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh I hate my one monitor so much | 16:05 |
| Cheri703 | it flickers and I hate it | 16:05 |
| Cheri703 | I can't stand flickering lights when they're in the ceiling, let alone staring at one >_< | 16:05 |
| skellat | Are you able to go buy a new one? | 16:06 |
| Cheri703 | I'd been holding off in case I have to buy a new computer, but it is driving me nuts. usually it evens out after ~5-10 minutes, but it's been over 30 min and still doing it >_< | 16:08 |
| Cheri703 | also because at the point that I buy ONE new monitor, I'm probably going to just bite the bullet and buy TWO new monitors | 16:10 |
| skellat | Have you applied percussive maintenance? | 16:13 |
| Cheri703 | it's an old monitor, I am assuming that the fluorescent backlight is going out | 16:14 |
| Cheri703 | considering that I got it ~2 years ago for $38 in a thrift store, I'm not complaining at the life I got from it. it's a 20" 16:10 dell monitor | 16:14 |
| skellat | Ah | 16:23 |
| Cheri703 | I just can't keep staring at a flickery screen. I get headaches just being in rooms with flickery overhead lights. Today is especially bad for the monitor :( Might have to modify my amazon order | 16:28 |
| paultag | :( | 16:28 |
| Cheri703 | paultag: here you go: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AOC-i2757fh-IPS-borderless-HDMI,18078.html | 16:38 |
| paultag | swag | 16:38 |
| Cheri703 | That would be NUTS to go from a 20" and a 19" to TWO 27" :D :D | 16:39 |
| Cheri703 | I'd be like O_O all the time | 16:39 |
| Cheri703 | also: $300 | 16:40 |
| paultag | :D | 16:40 |
| Cheri703 | Yeah...if it is vesa compliant (haven't checked) this might be my next monitor(s) | 16:40 |
| Cheri703 | hmm...does not look like it so far, let me keep checking | 16:41 |
| Cheri703 | D: "Its really attractive looking and even though it doesn't have VESA mounts" | 16:42 |
| Cheri703 | this one does though: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236103 | 16:43 |
| Cheri703 | not borderless | 16:43 |
| Cheri703 | either my optic nerve has burned out or the flickering has finally stopped/eased. >1 hour after powering on the monitor. If it goes to sleep for more than a few minutes, the process will start again D: | 16:48 |
| Cheri703 | ah, nope flickering just sped up a lot | 16:55 |
| thafreak | I'm so f**ckin' tired of java apps... | 18:29 |
| thafreak | seriously | 18:29 |
| thafreak | my brain is melting... | 18:29 |
| thafreak | stupid xml configs... | 18:29 |
| paultag | +1 | 18:30 |
| thafreak | oh, and facebook sucks too | 18:30 |
| thafreak | I used to be able to look at lists of "friends" grouped by the groups I made up | 18:30 |
| thafreak | now it's just one big freaking pile... | 18:30 |
| thafreak | have to scrol through over 100 people to find ones to remove...then you remove them and the whole list refreshes...IN A DIFFERENT ORDER | 18:30 |
| thafreak | so I have to scan the entire list AGAIN... | 18:31 |
| thafreak | took way to long to remove like 19 people... | 18:31 |
| thafreak | and what's up with it leaving people in my friends list who deactivated their accounts...what's the point in that? | 18:31 |
| Cheri703 | thafreak: sometimes easiest to just search and unfriend from their actual profile | 18:31 |
| thafreak | well, part of my problem, I don't really know who's on my list... | 18:32 |
| Cheri703 | gotcha | 18:32 |
| thafreak | part of the need to purge | 18:32 |
| thafreak | probably could/should have purged more... | 18:33 |
| andygraybeal_ | is rolling releases a good thing? | 18:40 |
| jandrusk | If the process is clean. | 18:57 |
| jandrusk | I think if they are using the same QA process it should work. | 18:58 |
| * skellat lowers periscope on IRC, returns to driving in the bad weather where it is still snowing in Ashtabula... | 19:01 | |
| andygraybeal_ | cool | 19:07 |
| andygraybeal_ | can i expect never to 'distro-upgrade' ever again? | 19:07 |
| andygraybeal_ | or whatever it is called | 19:07 |
| andygraybeal_ | i mean, if that happens? | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | It's just a thought at this point. | 19:07 |
| paultag | well | 19:07 |
| paultag | not quite | 19:07 |
| paultag | dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade the suite exactly | 19:08 |
| paultag | and Debian's been doing this in sid / unstable / testing for years (like, 20+) | 19:08 |
| Unit193 | paultag: And I did actually get the right email, right? | 19:08 |
| paultag | dist-upgrade is sometimes needed for unstable with big things | 19:08 |
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| paultag | Unit193: I did get your mail, but I've not ack'd it yet :) | 19:08 |
| paultag | I need to sit down with my mail after work | 19:08 |
| paultag | I need to finish slides for a talk tom. afternoon | 19:09 |
| paultag | but I should be able to give it a quick lookover, you're about #3 in the queue | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | paultag: Heh, you should have seen -motu, bit funny. Na, just making sure I got the right one. :) | 19:09 |
| paultag | heh :) | 19:09 |
| paultag | yep! totally! :) | 19:09 |
| paultag | btw, Unit193, for future uploads, http://mentors.debian.net/ is awesome | 19:09 |
| paultag | also helpful to get used to dput :) | 19:09 |
| paultag | but yep, all set, no need to push it there yet | 19:10 |
| Unit193 | Been getting used to it with launchpad, put it on mentors once but should update that one. | 19:10 |
| paultag | kk :) | 19:11 |
| Cheri703 | if I want to try out kubuntu, xubuntu, and lubuntu, should I go with 12.04 or try 12.10? I reverted to 12.04 with vanilla ubuntu because 12.10 had issues. | 20:54 |
| paultag | (Debian!) | 20:55 |
| Cheri703 | point me at the best version of debian to try as well then | 20:55 |
| Cheri703 | I'm going to make my new 32gb microSD card into a multi-boot liveUSB, so...I'm trying a bunch of stuff | 20:55 |
| Cheri703 | what is the best for multiple monitor setups? Anything more/less friendly with them? | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | Lubuntu doesn't do an LTS, Xubuntu got Xfce 4.10 in 12.10, and testing or Sid. ;) | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | :D | 20:56 |
| paultag | testing++ | 20:56 |
| paultag | also unstable++ | 20:56 |
| Cheri703 | ok, stable stable stuff | 20:56 |
| Cheri703 | I don't want to constantly be fiddling with junk | 20:56 |
| paultag | stable is too stable | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | Xubuntu works pretty good, just install arandr to setup. | 20:56 |
| paultag | an Ubuntu LTS is roughly similar to Debian testing | 20:56 |
| Cheri703 | for ME, for NEW things to play with, stable is GOOD | 20:56 |
| paultag | Debian Stable will literally never break, but it's old | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | But Debian stable is stale. | 20:57 |
| paultag | so not great for new hardware | 20:57 |
| paultag | Debian Stale! :) | 20:57 |
| Unit193 | ...I randomly read it as that. | 20:57 |
| paultag | it's a common joke | 20:57 |
| paultag | Cheri703: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ | 20:57 |
| paultag | Cheri703: if you want 64 bit linux | 20:57 |
| paultag | there's also 64bit Debian kFreeBSD | 20:58 |
| paultag | but linux might be easier on your hardware | 20:58 |
| Cheri703 | paultag: is there a torrent of the debian version? | 20:58 |
| Cheri703 | if I get debian will I have to get all new variations of software than what I'm used to using? | 20:58 |
| Cheri703 | because that is a rabbit hole I do NOT want to go down | 20:58 |
| Unit193 | Cheri703: I have a multi-boot flash, very nice. I didn't go with full desktops as much, though. Custom respin of Xubuntu is on the other flash (and no cheap way, the chroot method to respin) | 20:59 |
| paultag | Cheri703: of the stable releases, I think, but that link is the updated testing one | 20:59 |
| paultag | Cheri703: hum? no? | 20:59 |
| paultag | Ubuntu is Debian | 20:59 |
| Cheri703 | ok, I dunno what stuff works on what | 20:59 |
| * Cheri703 hasn't been in the "try new stuff" realm for a while | 20:59 | |
| Cheri703 | do I really need 8 cds worth? | 20:59 |
| Cheri703 | or do I download one of them? | 21:00 |
| Unit193 | Except, Ubuntu has more closed type stuff, mp3 and such. | 21:00 |
| Unit193 | (And real firefox) | 21:00 |
| Unit193 | Easy to get netinst and install Xfce. | 21:00 |
| paultag | no, just the first, Cheri703 | 21:02 |
| paultag | the others are an entire dump of the archive | 21:02 |
| paultag | in case you don't have internet | 21:02 |
| Cheri703 | gotcha | 21:04 |
| Cheri703 | I was hoping it was just one! | 21:04 |
| paultag | there's also a netinst cd | 21:04 |
| paultag | but that might be harder | 21:04 |
| paultag | oh and none of these have nonfree wifi drivers | 21:04 |
| paultag | you need some udebs to do that | 21:04 |
| Cheri703 | for now this is just desktop so wifi is not an issue | 21:05 |
| paultag | kk | 21:05 |
| Cheri703 | ugh, just got to a semi-stopping point on work project, so now I can play with this stuff for a bit | 21:14 |
| paultag | https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/184618_437180606353412_2035887196_n.jpg | 21:15 |
| Cheri703 | I saw that, is it referring to something specific, or just in general? | 21:15 |
| paultag | Ⓐ | 21:15 |
| Cheri703 | well, I guess the yoga bit..like is there something that says you can't do yoga AND smash the state? | 21:18 |
| paultag | it's tough :) | 21:19 |
| Cheri703 | :( I like torrents better than direct downloads | 21:20 |
| Cheri703 | I had 3.5MB/s on torrents and am getting 232KB/s on debian download | 21:20 |
| Cheri703 | uuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh paultag, I might have to abandon debian just for slow download time | 21:26 |
| paultag | no patience | 21:26 |
| Cheri703 | NOT WHEN I AM PAYING AS MUCH AS I AM FOR INTERNET! | 21:26 |
| Cheri703 | that is the whole point! | 21:26 |
| paultag | why not use a netinst, then? | 21:26 |
| paultag | that's a 41 meg download | 21:27 |
| Cheri703 | besides, OS isos are like the ONE time I can legitimately torrent things! | 21:27 |
| paultag | try this, Cheri703 - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso | 21:27 |
| Cheri703 | I mean..the ONLY time I torrent, because obvs I wouldn't be doing illegitimate torrenting >_> | 21:27 |
| Cheri703 | paultag: but I'm going to make a liveUSB, will that work with it? | 21:27 |
| * paultag shrugs | 21:28 | |
| paultag | I assume so | 21:28 |
| paultag | I think youc an dd that into an usb disk | 21:28 |
| paultag | like actually | 21:28 |
| paultag | because of magic | 21:28 |
| Cheri703 | that sounds like more work than I'm willing to do | 21:28 |
| paultag | but I don't know | 21:28 |
| paultag | o.O | 21:28 |
| paultag | that's less work then making a live cd | 21:28 |
| paultag | erm, usb | 21:28 |
| Cheri703 | eh | 21:28 |
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| Cheri703 | I dunno | 21:28 |
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| thafreak | Well, just applied to another job on campus that I'm probably under qualified for | 22:42 |
| thafreak | just hope word doesn't get back to my boss...that'd be awkward | 22:43 |
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