=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:47] hiho [00:48] in android, there is yet another concept for starting a different app for some sub-task. what is the proposed way of doing this in ubuntu? registering an url scheme handler? [01:23] aliendude5300: the code will be public from the beginning, so you can still contribute code [01:23] or you can start another app project of your own [01:35] Hi there! I just received my motorola atrix lapdock, and now I found out about ubuntu for phones. Looks like a sweet combination to me :D [01:49] Dupe: does that one have the Webtop? [01:54] mhall119: Well its actually just a screen with battery and keyboard. I am planning to buy a fast phone and just connect it to the mini HDMI and usb ports [02:03] Dupe: oh, I thought you had the atrix too [02:04] those things seem to be used to make raspberry pi laptops as well [02:07] mhall119: would either of the swipes I suggested in the file browser conflict with ubuntu phone? [02:09] mhall119: nah, not fast enough [02:11] dmj_nova: link? [02:11] https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/File+Manager+Directory+Icons+View [02:12] https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/File+Manager+File+Metadata+View [02:12] dmj_nova: as long as the swipe starts inside the app, you're fine [02:12] the Unity shell only uses swipes that originate outside of the screen and come in [02:13] okay, so even the "full swipe across the screen" gesture in Ubuntu Phone requires you to start off the edge [02:13] yes [02:13] cool [02:14] basically, Unity owns the edges, apps own the screen [02:14] though apps own the bottom edge too, but I'm not sure if that's shell integration (like HUD) or something each app will have to implement [02:15] Yeah, Canonical finally made me want a phone that ships with Android :P [02:20] I hope you want one that ships with Ubuntu too :) [02:21] dual boot :P [02:21] Yeah, I'd buy one today if I could! [02:22] still using a 3 year old smartphone that has always been "the next best thing to an Ubuntu phone" [02:23] Nokia n900 [02:23] Is there any way to make ubuntu happen on your phone right now? [02:24] for the hw keyboard? [02:24] wow, n900 :) [02:24] I could easily run Ubuntu on my phone, but then I couldn't make or receive phone calls [02:25] yeah, it was a crazy awesome phone in its day [02:25] I once wrote a webcam app on it while waiting for a professor to finish a meeting. [02:25] yeah i use a htc desire z for android phone with hardware keyboard and a nexuz7 dualbooting android and ubuntu for all my linux needs ;) [02:25] *nexus [02:26] dmj_nova: thats cool :) [02:26] An Ubuntu phone with hardware keyboard would be a dream come true [02:26] couldn't imagine writing code on a single screen device with onscreen keyboard [02:26] it really would [02:29] hourd: What's your involvement with Ubuntu Phone? [02:32] none, but i would love to get involved [02:33] hourd: You see their seeking design input on 12 default apps? [02:36] i was unaware of this [02:37] www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/12-default-ubuntu-phone-apps-to-be-community-created [02:38] cheers === chr00t is now known as hejian [03:58] andyone savy with qml that wants to look at something for me ? [03:58] I am trying to pass of a color of a text property in a well property . but I get the error "Unable to assign QString to QColor" Here is the code. for the Root Item http://paste.ubuntu.com/1565024/ Here is the code that calls the Root Item http://paste.ubuntu.com/1565034/ [04:02] bobweaver: does QML have a "color" type? [04:03] NM had to use the " property color " not " property string " [04:03] ah, that's what I was thinking, but didn't know enough QML [04:04] thanks though mhall119 :) [04:04] np [04:04] yeah dude on qt-qml told me about the property thingy [04:04] * mhall119 is off to bed, see you all in the morning === vj is now known as Guest86971 [08:02] Does anyone have this running in a Nexus 4? [08:03] I have only seen pictures and videos of the Galaxy Nexus [08:22] cumptrnrd: I think it's just a bit too early for that yet [08:23] The images and source code will be released in February. === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [10:15] hello all. has any mockups of Ubuntu Weather? === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [11:40] will qml based apps for harmattan be easily portable, i.e. similar components like PageStackWindows and whatnot? [12:00] hi all [12:01] I'm new to Ubuntu OS. Using an MacPro, iPhone, so can I get invoke to this project? [12:02] If available, could anyone tell me where to get start :D [12:18] mitro: by programming? or how exactly? [12:18] sqrt7744: you can find the available sdk at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [12:19] the concepts seem to be similar [12:19] What do you mean by "by programming"? [12:19] Thank tsdgeos. [12:42] does ubuntu for android replace or augment android [12:44] will it work ok on tablets eg nexus 7 [12:45] U4A augments, not replaces android [12:45] Ubuntu for Phones replaces android [12:46] ah, "ubuntu-for-android" contrasts with "ubuntu-for-phones" [12:46] ya [12:46] two separate products [12:47] so the latter has telephony integrated i guess (my friend asked, "what happens if your docked phone takes a call, isn't that inconvinient.." to which skype should have provided a decent answer lol) [12:47] anything else present or missing ? [12:48] is it primarily telephony + tiny touchscreen UI optimization? [12:48] they both have telephony features [12:48] calls / texts [12:49] its of great interest to me.. ubuntu has become my primary OS [12:51] can you confirm it is honest-to-god linux, e.g. one can fire up a terminal and "sudo apt-get ... " [12:51] (honest to god Desktop linux, i should say) [13:05] #fossevents [13:28] But... but... aren't terminal commands as honest-to-$deity in any linux, outside desktop category, too? ;) [13:41] honest to $deity linux in the way that ubuntu or fedora are wheras android is not .. the whole linux desktop experience & package manager [13:41] yes its uspposed to run full ubuntu with a phone interface [13:42] arm vs x86 binaries of course [13:42] sounds awesome [13:42] how i understand it is that it's like running a different display manager while in phone form and the external display runs unity or whatever you put on it [13:42] i have a gaalaxy nexus which i gather is the hardware its demo'd on [13:42] full full ubuntu(arm) backend [13:42] display-manager... window-manager? or not quite [13:42] customized unity i see [13:43] but the display manager controls how it logs on and so on? [13:43] i guess its unlikely phones will ever come with it pre-installed [13:44] with what pre-installed? [13:44] ubuntu [13:44] why not? [13:44] joe public will prefer android [13:44] ... [13:45] that was said about iphone when android came out [13:45] look at android now [13:45] i mean for *me* , if its what is being said here, it would be perfect [13:45] but i'm not typical. i often like things purely because they are differnt [13:45] wayland will make a decent experience out of it. [13:46] ah is this using wayland yet? [13:46] Not sure if they have fully implemented yet, but as I understand the release will have wayland [13:46] what im trying to say is before android came out th eoption was iOS or some other things. then android came otu and people said why get android iOS is better. now android is huge [13:47] ok [13:47] ubuntu phone will hopefully be the same [13:47] or similar progression [13:47] the proper docking is a major feature. desktop in your pocket [13:47] same with windows8, i think once you see the crossover (and hybrid devices) the contraversial post-wimp phonified desktops will start to make more sense to people [13:48] but i hope true windowing is kept just like terminal/textmode [13:49] ubuntu for *android* ... do they keep the menubar visible for touchfriendliness.. [13:50] i guess ubuntu phone interface optimized apps wont use menubar at all [13:50] ubuntu for android is android when a phone and ubuntu when docked [13:50] so when docked it would be attached to a screen [13:50] with mouse and keyboard [13:50] so would function just like a pc running ubuntu does now, but with telephony features enabled and integration with the phone stack [13:50] basicly in docked treat it as a desktop, you dont touch it and use an external screen [13:51] so the menu bar would work just as it does now [13:51] correct [13:51] same with ubuntu phone [13:51] but that also has full ubuntu backend in phone form but with a phone ui [13:51] i'm one of these people who thinks they should keep the menu fully visible but its not a major flaw [13:51] doomlord: menu visible on the phone screen? [13:52] i figured 'globalmenu' might actully be ok with top edge swipe on android tablets [13:52] thats how it is [13:52] phone screen .. i guess a traditional WIMP menu will really suffer [13:52] doomlord: have you seen the demo videos on the phone ui? [13:52] a few [13:52] so its nothing liek a desktop ui [13:52] i've seen the dock appearing from right edge swipe [13:53] yeah [13:53] left [13:53] and the indicator swipes, thats smart [13:53] oops left yes [13:53] i always thought 'expo' would be nice on a touchscreen [13:53] when docked it outputs on an external screen and is no different to your current desktop ubuntu but running arm not x86 [13:54] it probably doesn't do that though [13:54] which is nice [13:54] expo? [13:54] (copy of mac osx spaces) [13:54] ? [13:54] (compiz plugin.. zoom out to see multiple desktop thumbnails) [13:54] sorry i havnt used OSX much [13:54] oh [13:55] hasnt linux has that for over a decade? [13:55] yes [13:55] "copy of osx spaces"? [13:55] the phone doesn't really have a concept of desktops [13:55] you have full screen apps [13:55] but yes you will have that in docked [13:55] indeed [13:55] but not on phone ui [13:55] in phone mode i guess it will all be fullscreen [13:56] although we're switching to one desktop by default now [13:56] not four [13:56] the option is there though right? [13:56] yes [13:56] good :) [13:56] just default changing [13:56] thats fine [13:56] i thought it would be nice if it was 1 desktop until you maximize something [13:56] less overhead i asume? [13:57] kind of like how osx lion does things... a different type of maximize which is really 'fullscreen on its own new workspce' [13:57] its not done for that reason [13:57] popey: thats just default on unity though? I can just install cinnamon or something and do whatever [13:57] of course [13:57] I'm only talking about unity [13:57] yeah :) [13:57] not some random other 3rd party desktop ☺ [13:57] didnt know if there was some funky OS limitation [13:57] yeah. i dont use unity much [13:57] what wouldbe really nice on unity is if it dynamically added screens as you fill them .. 1-> 2x2 -> 3x3 [13:58] doomlord: gnome3 does that [13:58] number of active workspaces + 1 [13:58] unfortunately i've never enjoyed gnome.. strange.. i prefer everything asside from that in unity [13:59] cinnamon has a 1-click to add new workspace feature which is nice [13:59] i think the desktop overview zooming would really suit the phone screen [13:59] its liek a mix of gnome2 and 3 [13:59] doomlord: how so? is the screen no far too small to do that? [14:00] android just puts thumbnails on the side.. [14:00] oh...that [14:01] im pretty sure theres a list of open 'apps' [14:01] on the 'home' screen maybe [14:01] synergy might be interesting on this [14:02] oh? [14:02] you know the tool for providing the illusion of multiple machines being one multi-screen desktop :) [14:03] lets say your desktop pc or laptop can only drive 2 screens.. but you have a phone aswell - use it for 3rd screen :) [14:03] I like the Meego/Harmatttan way of showing open apps on the phone [14:04] something else that would be awsome i think is a desktop keyboard-dock, placing the phone where it can be used as a trackpad [14:05] doomlord: you can do the trackpad thing with android, theres apps for it [14:06] also yeah sorry, i know what synergy is just a phone is rather small for it [14:07] well i hope this does appeal to joe public aswell [14:08] phone+TV could suit joe public over and above laptop/desktop [14:08] i'm about to try synergy on ym laptop + nexus 7 [14:09] you have linux on nexus7 ? i'm considering getting one, but if linux runs well on it that would be a more copelling reason [14:09] commpelling^ reason to get one [14:09] dual boot ubuntu 13.04 and android 4.2.1 [14:10] wow that works ok? [14:10] works fine [14:10] bit of modding required [14:10] will one be able to dual boot a phone [14:10] liek unlocking bootloader, custom bootloader, ubuntu rom etc.. [14:10] but it runs fine [14:11] yeah you can dual boot phones fine, again will need custom bootloader and compatable rom and kernel [14:11] doomlord: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7 [14:11] with linux docked will you still be able to view the phones' filesystem when plugged into pc as a usb device [14:12] sorry could you rephrase that? [14:12] if you have ubuntu-phone - can you view the phone's filesystem as a USB hard-drive when you plug it into a PC [14:12] i'd imagine so [14:13] will my android phone i can, and also use it as usb host [14:13] *with [14:14] Hi guys, I've read the FAQ and come here with a question that's more than likely been asked a thousand times.. will I be able to ditch the iOS and install this on my iPhone? [14:14] i'm in 2 minds.. i have a galaxy nexus and an ipad, but as far as gadgets go i'm very tempted by a galaxy note , either 5.5 or 10.1.. i gather they will be doing a galaxy-note- 7.7 which would be perfect [14:15] riply: never is that gonna happen [14:15] doomlord, they say in the FAQ that they've not yet decided whether you're going to get root access, so I'd imagine that would answer your question with 'maybe'? [14:15] riply: you bought the wrong device if you want to be able to flash your own roms [14:15] how do you physically go about reinstalling [14:15] k1l, that is not what I wanted to hear :( [14:16] can you backup your phone's total state before installing ubuntu-phone [14:16] thankfully my contract is almost up. Samsung here we come. [14:16] doomlord: it will probably just overwrite the entire device [14:16] unless you use multirom or something [14:16] doomlord, does that mean, however that you'll be able to access the filesystem though? ie chmod and things like that? [14:16] i'm kind of hoping one can backup the device :) [14:17] doomlord: yeah abd backup via the android sdk [14:17] doomlord, there is talk of a duel-boot? [14:17] i think it will erase the android while installing. [14:17] Hmm I tried installing qt5-meta-full in the Canonical Qt5 beta 1 PPA, and two of the packages are not installable (due to build errors in Ubuntu repo) [14:17] I guess only time will tell :) [14:17] Any solutions? [14:17] dont see that there is enough space for both OS on the storage [14:17] doomlord: http://i.imgur.com/eqyUiYv.jpg just taken of my nexus 7 [14:17] k1l, also true! [14:18] that looks awesome [14:18] agreed - awesome [14:18] just waiting for the otg adapter to plug in peripherals [14:19] then goign to 3d print a dock for it all [14:19] can you use bluetooth keybord [14:19] yes [14:19] hourd: what about the touch-friendlyness? i had ubuntu-arm running on my tablet an unity wasnt really good to use [14:19] its ok, you have to be pretty acurate when closing windows [14:19] but otherwise its fine [14:20] its got tweaks like 3-finger window-drag? [14:20] no idea let me try [14:20] i thought a pinch-gesture for desktop overview would be wesome [14:20] yes [14:20] i thought a pinch-gesture for desktop overview would be awesome [14:20] yes it does [14:20] smartboyhw: ask bzoltan [14:21] doomlord: thanks for that. i did not know [14:22] i recall how osx snow leopard was awesome with 3 finger drag on the trackpad with 'spaces' .. that was the best window-management of any system (the way spaces+expose aka expo+scale worked together with multitouch) [14:22] do they use 4 finger swipe for anything [14:23] 4 gets a bit awekward [14:23] bzoltan, ping [14:30] how is ubuntu/androids onscreen keyboard controlled [14:36] hey guys , I wanted to ask if there are plans to get the Ubuntu TV in the Ubuntu Phone . As in - will it at some point be possible to connect the phone via HDMI to a tv/screen , launch an app (to start Ubuntu TV) and use the TV remote to control it (via HDMI CEC) [14:36] Hi all [14:36] does the nexus 7 have a dock that can do hdmi out [14:37] i would also liek to know this [14:38] I also have a Nexus 7 but it does't have HDMI or similar port to output [14:38] probably wishful thinking, i suspect all part of the minimal price [14:38] Only Audio port, if you need to see what is on the scree, you can install a VNC Server [14:39] I have a little query to developers [14:39] I think some devices can output HDMI via the audio jack and a ... wat's the word - a cable with audio jack at one end and HDMI at the other [14:39] *what's [14:40] What is the best languaje, I am using Vala with GTK for Ubuntu [14:40] But I am feeling so slow [14:41] So, what is better for Ubuntu, Qt or GTK? [14:41] That's the reason there's support for a veriety of languages - so you can have your preference [14:41] both are supported [14:41] i always thought ubuntu was more gtk [14:41] I like the Qt framework and tools (and I prefer c++ rather than C) [14:42] Qt - > KDE [14:42] well before - maybe , but I haven't had any problems with Qt in Ubuntu [14:43] And, as we are in ubuntu-phones jeje [14:43] What is the "oficial" languaje for this platform? [14:43] it's mostly about your preference as I said before (for the desktop - on phones it's Qt ;) ) [14:44] search for "gomobile ubuntu" [14:44] and you'll get the get started guide [14:44] it's the Qt framework [14:44] for native apps [14:44] and HTML5 for webapps [14:44] So Qt with C++ would work under Ubuntu for Phones? [14:45] i think it would [14:45] yes as I've come to know . I haven't actually used it yet [14:45] doomlord: no, the nexus 7 can't do hdmi out [14:45] ok [14:45] cant have everything i guess [14:46] Ok, thank you very much [14:46] the dock doens't do much actually, only usb and power [14:47] And the last query jejej [14:48] If I develop an terminal application under Qt, Which libraries whould I need to run under Ubuntu Server or Raspberry Pi with Debian? [14:48] Do you know it? [14:52] Hi...I would like to write a app which simulates a torch... and I would like to know if I can simulate the hardware input/output [14:52] hah. i have actully used a mobile device as torch when bulbs blow up [14:53] doomlord, can you help me? [14:54] i dont thinkso specifically. i mean.. i just found myself in the dark, and tapping my ipad screen = light :) [15:00] do you know if ubuntu-android would run on the galaxy-note .. [15:06] doomlord, i am sorry, but I do not know [15:06] doomlord, but I think it could be [15:08] doomlord: no devices have been announced for UfA [15:21] so nexus7 is my best bet i guess [15:26] doomlord, you can wait [15:26] then hope some one ports it [15:27] to a nexus 4 or whatevr u want it on [15:27] doomlord: nexus 7 is best bet for what? [15:27] ubuntu gadgetry [15:28] well, you can run ubuntu on a nexus7 now [15:28] yup [15:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7 [15:28] but that is neither Ubuntu for Phones nor Ubuntu for Android [15:28] but just stock Ubuntu desktop [15:29] thats cool [15:31] runs reasonably well too [15:39] smartboyhw: pong, what can I do for you sir :) ? [15:39] bzoltan1, the qt5-meta-full package is not working [15:42] bzoltan1.Enque(ping); (when you've finished with smartboyhw I've a quesiton too :P ) [15:42] smartboyhw: precise? [15:42] bzoltan1, raring [15:42] in the beta one [15:42] smartboyhw: let me check the build results.... what package failed on R [15:42] bzoltan1, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta1/+packages [15:43] qtwayland it is [15:51] smartboyhw has left... anyhow I just pushed the wayland for raring, the qtwayland depends on it and qt5-meta wants to pull that too [15:51] Andy80: I am all yours :) [15:52] bzoltan1, here or private dialog? (no secrets anyway :P ) [15:52] Andy80: Shoot here [15:52] ok [15:53] bzoltan1, I found also templates for "Qt Quick 2 UI" app, you can find it here http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-creator/qt-creator/trees/master/share/qtcreator/templates/qml/qtquick2 [15:53] BUT [15:53] in general QtCreator is NOT able to deploy a pure QML app :( [15:53] it can deploy a QML and C++ one because internally the code supports deploying on "Generic Linux Device" [15:54] but it cannot do the same with pure QML [15:54] basically the answer was that since they didn't need it, they didn't implement it [15:54] Andy80: it should be able to do it with qmlscene [15:54] and if you create a "Qt Quick 2 UI" and you try to manually add our "Kit", QtCreator doesn't let you add it [15:55] Andy80: that is odd [15:55] it should, but it doesn't allow you. [15:55] Andy80: I think you better check with the upstream devs [15:55] at this point the path will be harder.... I mean... we have to go to a custom plugin [15:55] yeah surely I will do it [15:55] but I already asked to people on #qt-creator [15:56] maybe I can ask again on the mailing list, but.... it won't be fast as expected [15:56] :( [16:02] Andy80: let me pull in jppiiroinen who used to work on the N9's application developer. He might have some idea too [16:04] bzoltan1, someone just told me "qt quick 2 ui projects are handled by the qmlprojectmanager, which can only handle desktop devices". Infact there is no .pro in pure QML projects... [16:05] Andy80: hmmm... odd [16:07] bzoltan1, oh... btw this someone is Daniel Teske from Digia, he probably knows enough :\ he's the same who helped me in the mailing list. We must see if it's possible to customize the qmlprojectmanager.... I was going to read the BB10 plugin but they don't use pure QML projects, so I would not find anything that I need [16:10] Andy80: So it is only about remotely launch a qml app on a linux device? [16:12] bzoltan1, not only.... since qmlprojectmanager doesn't support "Generic Linux Device" it doesn't deploy the application too [16:12] but... [16:13] if you think about it for a moment it's not something impossible: if cou copy a binary you can copy a .qml too [16:13] if you remoteli execute "yourbinary" you can also execute "qmlscene yourapp.qml" [16:13] it's just not implemented yet [16:14] we probably have to see how these plugins are implemented and write our own [16:14] of course it won't be easy like configuring a kit or writing a project wizard template :P but we can do it [16:21] ubuntu fans want ubuntu desktop common look and feel on their phone. Tablets and phones have dual-core 64-bit desktop performance so ubuntu unity could be useable although not ideal without a usb keyboard/mouse attached. What I'm implying is I don't want anyone to redesign common apps that already "just work". I think most ubuntu fans just want the same stuff running but from their phones and tablets. Is that too much to a [16:22] omac777, it makes no sense, imho :P [16:22] I also think Android's auto-rotate feature simply off/on, not that convenient. It would be better to implement rotate screen with 2 multi-touch rotating fingers and the gui snapping every 90 degrees. [16:23] i think it makes sense for apps to query if a mouse/keyboard is connected, and change their UI appropriately [16:23] omac777, I'm happy with the fact that Ubuntu Phones mockups/preview are different from desktop UI [16:23] Some changes are non-destructive - e.g. sometimes making lists more tile-like is just a case of moving the same information around a bit [16:23] doomlord, it would be the worst eng ever seen :D [16:24] ENV variables are used for this [16:24] not a heavy api call that check for a device [16:24] why not just query on startup - and have a windowing system message when a new device is connected/disconnected [16:25] just like receiving/losing focus [16:26] mmm... probably you're talking about a "docking" solution, right? I mean... a different UI if you just use the phone alone or if you plug it in a docking station and use mouse+keyboard+monitor, right? [16:26] Where is the justification to redesign the entire gui frontend simply for the phone and tablet? It seems ubuntu has completely thrown out the windowing managers for ubuntu-phone and completely rely on the QT5 QtQuick framework to build apps. Where are all the underlying interapplication communications we know and love like select/cut/paste between applications within the QtQuick Framework. Why can't we have 2 applications d [16:27] yes [16:27] but the same app could check whats going on [16:27] omac777, having the same UI on Desktop and Phone makes no sense for me. [16:28] phone defnitely needs tweaked UI [16:28] fingers vs mouse cursor. [16:28] Well, I think there's a difference between "same UI" and "common technology" [16:28] no "preselection highlight" on fingers [16:28] for starters [16:28] the backend of the application can be the same [16:28] but the UI must be different [16:28] I would definitely hope one could use say a GTK application on Ubuntu Phone [16:28] Ok let me ask you a question then. When Android came out, were you disappointed with the UI and the fact that all the digital freedoms you had on the desktop were not there? All the way of interacting between the applications were not there? [16:29] written with the Phone in mind of course [16:29] tablets would be unusble with desktop GUI [16:29] windows was on tablets for ages and no one used it [16:30] omac777, first of all Android was not my first smartphone :P second, I'm happy (I repeat again) with the fact that desktop and phone/tablets have different UI [16:30] Deskto UI makes no sense on tablet [16:30] I know I was disappointed with the Android experience. When I associate ubuntu and phone together, I imagine ubuntu linux and everything I have experienced with unity or gnome, but on the phone. I don't expect it to be a completely different way to interact with it or to developer for it. [16:30] just like Metro Win8 UI makes no sense on Desktop [16:30] (infact I use old Desktop mode when I have to work on it) [16:30] desktop, lines of text are ok.. tablet/phone - clickable elements have to be squarer [16:31] i think eventually people will find ways of doing things more pleasingly that are ok on both [16:31] omac777, you can't expect the same UI when you use just your fingers on a smaller screen [16:31] using image like previews... spatial information more often with text within [16:31] ZUIs [16:32] omac777: Are you wanting the exact UI to be the same or are you referring to things like "common toolkits" and "system clipboards" [16:33] Even with Zoomable UI's, the widgets and the windows representing each application are intact. Why not have the exact UI on the phone for as long as the ZUI is there. [16:33]