[07:42] morning [08:34] Morning [08:36] hey diplo ! [08:36] how are you :) [08:43] morning [08:45] Morning knightwise, sorry work call :) [08:45] Good thanks, albeit a tad cold this morning! And you ? [08:47] Morning all. [08:59] TheOpenSourcerer, a cold an icy morning it is too [08:59] Morning popey [08:59] Hi aptanet, morning popey [08:59] Hey TheOpenSourcerer [08:59] hey nigelb how's it going? long time no see [09:00] TheOpenSourcerer: Going good. I'm in London! [09:00] Cool. [09:00] yo yo yo [09:00] For good, or just visiting? [09:00] just visiting. [09:00] I'll be here for 3 weeks, I hope to meet as many of you guys as I can manage ;) [09:01] London all of that time or moving about? [09:01] That sounds like a plan. [09:01] Cambridge for a week. [09:01] Otherwise, I'll be in London most days I think. [09:05] popey: Ever written any tips on screencasting? [09:08] nah, they're mostly in my head [09:08] OK - ta. [09:09] anything specific you were after? [09:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts [09:09] Not really. I have a new module for vtiger I want to screencast. [09:09] Thanks aptanet [09:10] that page is old and outdated [09:10] by popey ;) [09:10] yes, the three on your blog are a bit old too [09:10] * popey brainstorms [09:10] I was just going to write some script notes first then do it. [09:10] On a clean desktop [09:10] I've found Kazam better than record my desktop [09:11] although it is prone to stopping responding I find [09:12] http://beta.etherpad.org/p/screencasting [09:12] lets go! [09:12] :-) [09:13] That etherpad keeps dropping out. [09:17] Morning all [09:18] strange, fine here [09:18] It's OK now seemingly. [09:19] Not having problems [09:26] I still love watching multiple edits on documents, its the future :) [09:27] when you're thinking about typing something and it appears from somewhere else if fun! [09:27] Nice, one of our VMs has a Load Avg of 68 :-) [09:27] bloody apache and WP again. [09:27] hah [09:27] * popey hugs lighttpd [09:32] * Laney looks down and sees that his top is on inside out and backwards [09:32] bug 1103638 [09:32] bug 1103638 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "software updater window spacing wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103638 [09:32] lol one is bad, 2 is well... [09:32] :P [09:32] anyone else notice that? [09:32] after you update on raring [09:32] Good morning all! :-D [09:33] OCD kicking in again popey :) [09:33] * diplo is debating writing a phone app.. [09:33] * JamesTait really should update to Raring. Maybe over the weekend. [09:33] Any one here tried writing one yet apart from sil ? [09:34] JamesTait: morning dude [09:34] Howzit davmor2! :) [09:37] hi folks [09:38] hey hoover [09:39] Hi, I tried to install 10.04 from dvd on external optical drive on a MacBook Pro, last years (non-retina) model. It nearly worked: i even heard the little drum role, but the screen remained completely blank. [09:39] Any suggestions? [09:39] 10.04 ? [09:39] yes [09:39] 12.04 works out of the box. [09:40] Doh, sorry, 12.04 [09:40] Nope# [09:40] http://maketecheasier.com/install-ubuntu-12-10-in-macbook-air/2012/11/08 [09:40] thats odd. [09:40] are you using the amd/mac iso ? [09:41] The standard amd iso [09:41] thanks for the link, I will try again tonight. [09:43] could be a no-acpi settins in grub [09:43] i had that problem too [09:43] if you hit me up on facebook or google+ i"ll get you in touch with one of my listeners who had the same problem. === Ivanka_ is now known as Ivanka [09:45] timp: If the drumroll sounds, it may well just be the display settings - CTRL-ALT-F1 may get you a prompt to login [09:46] einonm: thanks [10:28] good morning everyone, [10:33] yo [10:34] morning popey [10:35] Good morning peeps :) [10:35] morning bigcalm_laptop [10:36] Hi brobostigon [10:43] ok, lets say. i used get-iplayer, to download something to my rpi, how would you stream that from there to another machine on the same network, whith the rpi being headless ? [10:44] smbfs? ssh+ftp? [10:45] I have a similar setup, albeit a microserver and yeah as gord says I stick it in a samba share [10:45] and point xbmc in my case to said samba share [10:46] brobostigon: dlna, rygel? [10:46] is what i do, i've also used a upnp setup in the past too, which worked well and something i want to explore in the future but xbmc was a bit buggy with it at the time [10:46] two questions, will it download the whole file before playback? and how can i get it to do that without having to download said file wholly or partially first ? [10:46] dlna/upnp I think is a proper streaming service. [10:47] It works on my TV from my home server. [10:47] ok, let me make notes, and research those possibilities. [10:47] it won't download the whole file before playback, unless your video player is beyond terrible [10:47] If you are using a Pi though you probably don't want to do real-time encoding ;-) [10:48] * bigcalm_laptop pokes gord [10:48] gord: ok, i just remeber some attempts at this before. doing that, [10:48] * bigcalm_laptop pokes mrevell [10:48] only thing i have seen download the whole file before playback is a sftp filesystem extension for windows that would download the files to a temporary directory before letting the thing open it [10:48] * gord is poked [10:48] AH, hey bigcalm_laptop. I got back late from a meet-up in Manchester last night so I'm still at home. Are you all there? [10:49] gord: ah, [10:50] mrevell: davmor2 and myself are here [10:50] mrevell: you're welcome to join us [10:51] TheOpenSourcerer: good point, yes. [10:51] mrevell: yeah come you can tell us all about your new job and the globe trotting that you are doing :) [10:52] heh :) === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [11:18] minidlna seems a good candidate, for what i am looking for. [11:19] Is that the mysql drop in replacement? [11:19] Oh, maybe not. I think I'm still a little tired today [11:20] no, you're thinking of maria [11:21] the only thing that's stopping me from dropping postgres on unsuspecting asses over here is bloody wordpress [11:24] though I guess if I can prove that wordpress works fine with maria, then I might be able to convince the devs to make the switch [11:33] SuperMatt: drizzle is another drop in replacement for mysql [11:34] considering that fedora 19 may go maria (if it ever gets out of the door), and it's being developed by formers mysql devs, maria might be the better option [11:45] hah, silly me [11:45] the maria db wikipedia page says wordpress is "officially supported" [11:45] I'm just going to have a look around to see where I can find that "official" confirmation [11:47] brilliant, zend support it too, so I could move everything across the maria 10 [11:47] or just keep maria for wordpress and use postgres for everything else [11:56] Should be ok to use maria as it's a drop-in binary replacement for mysql [12:13] well, currently it is ;) [12:13] I don't imagine that if maria and mysql were no longer compatible that wordpress would stop working [12:13] it's not like wordpress sites need to worry about transactions, etc [12:34] what the best format for videos to be in, so that dlna can playback and stream them properly ? [12:35] btw, i got minidlna up and running properly, :) [12:35] i dont think dnla cares [12:35] the client might [12:35] hmm, get-iplayer and minidlna end, it is a .flv [12:35] h264 seems to be the codec of choice which plays on most things [12:36] flv is the container [12:36] ok. [12:36] what's inside it? [12:36] get_iplayer usually converts .flv to .mp4 when it finishes iirc [12:36] how do i find out from cli ? [12:36] mplayer will tell you [12:37] doesn't iplayer serve mp4 as it's high quality option? [12:37] it didnt convert it to mp4 for some reason. [12:37] do you have libav/ffmpeg installed? [12:37] if not it wont [12:37] most things that can play h264 can also play flv though [12:37] popey: ah, ok. let me try again then. [12:38] Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) [12:38] Selected audio codec: [ffac3] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg AC-3) [12:38] for example is what you might get from mplayer [12:39] i have installed ffmpeg now, so will try and pull a different video off iplayer, and see whats happens. [12:40] or just manually convert one you already have [12:41] i think get_iplayer just changes the container, not the internal codecs [12:41] i will have to do that yes. [12:41] ah. [12:41] what are you playing them with? [12:41] i.e. what frontend? [12:41] mediahouse on my nexus7. is the first client i tried. [12:42] gord: watch out though, flv is a container, whereas h.264 is a video codec, so there is quite a difference [12:44] https://www.theyetee.com/ [12:44] oops [12:45] spoton popey , ffmpeg was the problem. [12:45] cool [12:48] WOOP [13:06] it is working really quite well. i am impressed. [13:18] hey popey brobostigon [13:19] hey knightwise [13:27] hmm.. i'm using the nxfree nomachine client / server [13:27] but it doesnt seem to like unity very much :( [13:28] i wonder, if there is an risk of the rpi overheating and burning,? hmmm, [13:34] is there still an lts supported version without unity (with standard gnome ?) [13:34] or has that also gone the way of the dodo ? [13:35] standard gnome is there is the repos, and i beleieve there is a gnome-ubuntu remix. [13:36] standard gnome ? but thats gnome 3 ..right ? [13:37] yes. [13:41] hmm.. dunno if the Nomachine client likes that any better [13:42] knightwise: xfce ? [13:46] sure ,b ut then you need to hack some preferences into the nxclient and i've tried several things. [13:49] I'm after an XMPP client that supports a few different accounts being configured, but lets me treat them separately, anyone know of any? [13:49] so (easy) different statuses/messages for each, ideally separate contact lists. I'm thinking basically Pidgin's interface but tabbed... [13:54] BigRedS: Centerim ? [13:55] knightwise: oooh, perhaps. Hadn't considered text-mode. [13:55] thansk! [13:56] haha, you can judge software's maintenance activity by which woman is in the photo in the background of the screenshot... [14:00] ah , i got it [14:00] BigRedS, Are we saying the maintenance is inversely proportional to how attractive the screenshot people are? [14:00] need to specify what desktop the nomachine client should launch [14:00] works nog [14:00] now [14:00] BigRedS, ie ; super hot - obv. rubbish software being covered up by glitz? [14:07] whow [14:07] remote desktop with NXclient (running XFCE on the far end) is FAST ! [14:08] awilkins: haha, nah just which woman is in the background. Though I'm not sure who it would be now... [14:09] what screenshot are you referring to ? [14:10] http://www.centerim.org/index.php/File:Centerim-screenshot.png [14:10] An old shot of Alysson Hannigan [14:11] From this we can infer the software is maintained by people who liked Buffy the Vampire Slayer [14:12] aah the allison hannigan wallpaper ? [14:12] * knightwise had big time nerd crush on her [14:12] and i still think she's hot [14:12] had her on my wallpaper for a long time. [14:12] Currently boasting artwork from "the mad shipyards" (google to find out) [14:12] She gets hotter as time goes on, if anything [14:13] indeed [14:13] do i like her in ginger more then in dark brown [14:13] Her turn in "How I Met Your Mother" is nothing short of inspired [14:13] Gillian Anderson is awesome [14:13] gillian anderson ? [14:13] X-Files Scully [14:13] yeah awilkins [14:13] oh Skully [14:13] I had the issue of FHM that was trading for £10 a copy on ebay [14:13] Karin Gillian isn't bad either, can you detect a theme? [14:13] yeah .. she's like the big sis everybody wanted as a kid [14:14] The one with Gillian Anderson in her underwear [14:14] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CHlMXEsEMkY/UNQOSoSLYII/AAAAAAAAAyc/DVc3N2UBPzM/s1600/gillian_anderson_4.jpg [14:14] sooo pretty [14:21] cool :) Lxde remote desktop is lightning fast :) [14:22] I would love if someone in canonical worked on a proper rdp contender for linux [14:22] ssh -x [14:22] * BigRedS doesn't use rdp [14:22] I know we have x-forwarding, but it's not the same as having a whole desktop running quite fast [14:22] and I mean faster than vnc too [14:23] I had to work from home on monday and vnc was painful [14:23] NX and VNC are fine for what I need [14:28] SuperMatt: I suspect someone will do something with wayland [14:29] http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8 [14:29] SuperMatt: you need to connect to a windows machine ? [14:30] I am currently using NXFree , but thats not realy an 'remote desktop' client [14:30] more of a terminal server one [14:32] ha : ) [14:32] used NXfree to connect to a virtual machine i'm running at home [14:33] virtual machine is also running with another user logged in [14:33] using vnc to connect to the other X session of that user :) [14:34] I often use NX to remote control my machine at home, especially as it has less port restrictions than the office network [14:36] knightwise: no, not connecting to windows. [14:36] RDP just seems to do remote displays way better than vnc [14:36] xfordwarding is nice for the odd app or two, but it can't replace being able to access your hole desktop [14:40] I think there's an RDP server for Linux somewhere, when I mention it here people link it [14:40] http://www.xrdp.org/ [14:40] * SuperMatt nods [14:40] I've never managed to get that to load unity though [14:41] could just be me [14:41] SuperMatt: i know you'll swear at me but .. teamviewer isn't so bad [14:43] maybe I should just try xrdp when I get home [15:31] AlanBell: Thank-you once again for sending me a 12.10 DVD that you had spare (plenty for for anyone interested) .. As I recently had an email from Amazon.us about the reality of buying one ... £5 is nothing when you thnk about it .... :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Ubuntu%20DVD%20..%20the%20reality%20of%20getting%20UBUNTU%20on%20DVD.PNG [15:34] wow, always amazes me how many people sell them [15:36] 2 people, if you look, so far .. but your right, Prob.ly more .. [15:36] not a single ubuntu thinkpad on amazon [15:37] ebay, dr watson, ebay .. [15:37] su. from Hollande.. [15:37] **usu. from ... [15:38] novatech do nice laptops popey :) [15:38] http://www.youtube.com/user/NovatechLTD/videos?query=ubuntu [15:39] still got yours to sell ?? :D [15:39] I saw Alan Lord's tweet pic.. v. nice. [15:40] not selling it, that is aptanet's laptop now :) [15:40] cool, surethingy. [15:41] and it's getting well used! [15:42] If it doesn't have a touchpoint it's not a proper laptop [15:42] so it's thinkpad or dell latitude for me now [15:42] aptanet: You are darling of new tech. How's the getdeb download's , or haven't you bothered ??? [15:42] getdeb downloads? [15:44] not looked at them, and the site is offline at the moment - power outage! [15:44] https://plus.google.com/+getdeb/posts/FF1gRuZN7pM [15:45] AKA PlayDeb .. [15:45] http://tinyurl.com/b8lfupt [15:46] don't spam us with affiliate links dragonkeeper [15:46] dragonkeeper: gifgaff is an information controller from ebay .. stay away !! [15:48] Wonder's if that advert would still be an affiliate link if it was on www.archive.org (or whatever the way-back machine is) ?? [15:49] * solarcloud_3srcn " " " [15:50] * solarcloud_3srcn alsowonders if PlayDeb's archive is ready for the way-back machine ?? [15:51] on irclogs.ubuntu.com we add rel=nofollow to the links so you don't get google pagerank from spamming junk into the channels [15:52] logical. [15:53] \o/ Hello Ginger Thurs. [15:57] Time for *free* beer dregg's http://goo.gl/1L2YW [15:58] dregg's what? ;) [15:59] reminds me, must make some more ginger beer [15:59] Soz ,to many g's http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/dreg [16:01] I've just finished setting up for myself a new pc, and I'm wondering if it's possible to just copy my private ssh key to the new computer, from my old laptop, or should I generate a new one? [16:01] another question, what controls inside dlna, the quality of playback on the client ? is it directly the source video quality? [16:02] andrewebdev: is your old laptop being decommissioned? [16:02] AlanBell: Well, at least the #channel is going, at last, today .. thanx everyone. [16:03] popey, I am planning to still use it [16:03] if so, I'd copy ~/.ssh over, if not, and you're keeping both machines, I'd create a new one [16:03] ok thx [16:03] so if you lose one machine (or it gets stolen or compromised) you can remove that one key from remote machines and keep the safe one [16:03] ah i see that makes sense yes [16:03] brobostigon: I'm not sure if dlna dlna adaptive streaming [16:03] ta :) [16:03] ...dlna has adaptive streaming [16:04] einonm1: so it adjusts to the client ? [16:04] to the link speed, if it is present. As I said, I'm not sure if DLNA does that. [16:05] einonm1: ok, thank you, [16:05] basically, it first tests if it can shove the best quality stream down the pipe - if it can't it tries the next best etc. [16:05] ah, i see. [16:05] but you need either multiple streams of different quality, or (like on blu-ray) a codec that can cope with adaptive bitrates [16:06] good point, [16:08] brobostigon: what client are you using? [16:09] popey: mediahouse on android 4.2.1 [16:09] any good? [16:10] not bad, weird menu system, but seems to work well enough, [16:10] it was simply the first one i found, so i choose it by chance. [16:17] popey: Pre-loved.Do they ever stop with the Adverts ? Prob.ly not http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/list?keyword=thinkpad [16:47] Is is daftykins or dwatkins , but it looks like my Co-op a/c in St Peters Port 'aint that good anymore http://www.isleofman.com/News/details/52423/island-signs-tax-co-operation-agreements-with-jersey-and-guernsey [16:54] daftykins is an islander [16:55] popey: Fair enough, I'll talk to him later when he see's the post .. thanx popey. [17:07] Note to diaspora, *don't worry* it's mostly the Esther-Louise-Rantzen types that live here ... http://goo.gl/b2Jt0 [17:22] getting slightly annoyed with this wireless card dropping connection seemingly randomly [17:22] each time I have to disable and re-enable wireless to authenticate again :( [17:24] aptanet: Just outta interest has the novatech laptop/ultrabook gotta Wireless disable screen option in the Bios, like dell's has ?? http://goo.gl/rZKkF . Just askin' . [17:25] good question, without rebooting I'm not sure! [17:26] aptanet: Crumb.s .. hope I've not started anything, Oh dear. [17:26] aptanet: which wireless device is it? [17:26] not sure about the BIOS, but there's a hotkey on the keyboard - and it works [17:26] Ralink corp. Device 3290 [17:27] I've had to update the kernel and install firmware to get it working [17:29] that said, my netbook does exactly the same thing with the stock kernel and an express card nic [17:30] aptanet: 12.10? [17:44] popey, yes [17:45] http://h-node.org/search/results/en/1/search/wifi/Ralink [18:14] @seen daftykins [18:15] * solarcloud_3srcn just forgot who to ask to 'see' ppl's last sighting since absence ?? [18:16] AlanBell: thoughts on above Question. ?? [18:30] sorry, which question, I wasn't paying attention [18:30] and I am off out now [18:30] ping me with a question and I will see it [18:31] no prob.s. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:52] Laura Boyle – Mitchelstown http://open.spotify.com/track/6W5SZHPJ9reZ9kLhBZ7Mv9 Awaiting bigcalm 's arrival... === rastamouse is now known as nothingspecial [18:58] when using nfsv4 to export filesystem to linux client. does the locally bind filesystem automatically export? [18:59] e.g. /media/pool/family on /srv/sto/home/pans/multimedia type none (rw,bind) [19:00] so when i exports /srv/sto/home as root to clients, do i get access to the /meida/pool/family folder? [19:04] I have no idea.. what happened when you tried? ;) [19:10] hm [19:10] Bug 1085342 is getting annoying [19:10] bug 1085342 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "Pulseaudio applications hang (Totem, GNOME Shell etc.)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085342 [19:41] solarcloud_3srcn: co-op in St. Peter Port? huh? [19:54] daftykins: Ignorance is bliss ! But there is an ethical bank in .. I'll PM'd you... [19:55] roger that [20:30] Evening peeps [20:31] evening bigcalm [20:32] What am I missing out on by doing work rather than IRC during the day time? [20:33] bigcalm: Mostly Links from your UrlGrabber :: http://www.redbubble.com/people/robbrown/works/8613327-ubuntu-linux-for-human-beings [20:34] My url grabber? [20:34] Sorry I use Xchat ... [20:35] That's nothing to be ashamed of ;) [20:36] Yeah, If only I could figure women out too ! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/understanding%20women%20book.jpg [23:02] http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/594741935758161354/659E25E17B1F8C8BC58459B1288B19F95A6AF7AE/ [23:04] wossat? [23:06] half life 1 :P [23:06] popey, hl1, just released for linux and osx [23:06] as in 11 minutes ago [23:06] WHAT [23:06] * Azelphur downloads hard. [23:06] hah [23:12] aww, I only have half life source. [23:12] steam steam://install/70 [23:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaF5O5Mzi9E&list=PLcrbfJq0A8FltP69pumdih1X0VQMb7adq [23:13] yea just takes me to the buy page [23:21] I remember a lot of this :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Half%20Life%20Loading%20Bar.PNG [23:23] solarcloud_3srcn, then you're a youngun. there was no bar like that in pre-steam half-life [23:23] remember, this is a game from 1998 [23:24] mmmmphf .... '98 tech .. What's the big deal about then ?? [23:25] Hi everyone, is anyone using Ubuntu on a Macbook here? [23:25] not me .. [23:26] well, there was no steam. half-life came instead with "sierra utilities". which had a minor bug whereby it would delete all your files when you uninstalled it [23:26] half-life patch day was hell. a 45-meg patch on 28.8k dialup was lame [23:26] Sounds familiar. [23:31] mmmmhpf .... '98 tech .. What's the big deal about *today* ,then ?? [23:33] solarcloud_3srcn, well, it's been ported to linux and osx, and released within the last hour [23:34] part of why that's interesting is a) steam for mac came out years ago, yet never saw ports of hl1-based games, and b) the rather messy history of the unreleased osx port [23:35] screw this |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| I'm seeing what www.phoronix.com says ... [23:42] that's an interesting point directhex, I hadn't considered that. [23:42] we're up to what? 60+ Linux games on steam now? [23:42] popey, fully working, or in the CDR? [23:43] both? [23:45] 45 and 84 respectively [23:46] YMMV. IANAL. IDDQD. [23:46] i have 53 of them === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:53] nice