phoenix_firebrdgood morning everyone00:53
BarkingFishgood morning :)00:59
BarkingFishWell, it almost is.  Sometime ago, I had a bug with ndiswrapper not building on dkms - Bug #1023645 - it was fixed in quantal, and it's back in raring :(01:00
ubottubug 1023645 in ndiswrapper (Ubuntu Quantal) "ndiswrapper-dkms 1.57-1ubuntu1: ndiswrapper kernel module failed to build [error: ‘struct kernel_stat’ has no member named ‘cpustat’]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102364501:00
BarkingFishaccording to the record there, apparently a fix has been released for raring - and it's not worked.  I've had to boot into raring on an old kernel, in order to get ndiswrapper up.01:00
phoenix_firebrdBarkingFish: did you update the bug report?01:09
BarkingFishyeah, just left a note on there for Julian, the one who set Fix released01:09
BarkingFishalso mistakenly called him Julius :P01:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 1023645 in ndiswrapper (Ubuntu Quantal) "ndiswrapper-dkms 1.57-1ubuntu1: ndiswrapper kernel module failed to build [error: ‘struct kernel_stat’ has no member named ‘cpustat’]" [High,Confirmed]01:10
phoenix_firebrdBarkingFish: whats the kernel version in which bug is present01:10
BarkingFishi wish ubottu wouldn't keep doing that :)01:10
phoenix_firebrdBarkingFish: it seems someoneelse has posted a commont the same sort01:11
BarkingFishok phoenix_firebrd, cheers.  01:14
BarkingFishIt might be good if I post some logs of what i'm getting told when I try to build it manually or with dkms.  It got fixed in quantal, i don't understand what could have gone wrong in the space of 6 months and no upgrades :/01:15
phoenix_firebrdBarkingFish: past the log 01:19
BarkingFishok, one moment01:19
phoenix_firebrdback in 5 mins01:25
BarkingFishi need to reboot too.  I think i may be doing something wrong :)01:27
shadeslayerRiddell: O_O01:41
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: morning01:43
shadeslayerhi phoenix_firebrd01:43
shadeslayermorning to you too01:43
shadeslayerand finally someone I can say morning to at a sane time01:43
phoenix_firebrddid you succeed with the libkolab tests?01:43
shadeslayeras yofel mentioned, the tests open kompare01:44
shadeslayerand tried to make kompare quit using a couple of methods01:44
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: so the developers thought we should be building the source without the pbuilder?01:45
shadeslayerdbus, kquitapp ( which is basically just another wrapper over dbus for KDE apps ), using kill `pidof kompare` .... nothing worked01:45
shadeslayerI even tried extracting the dbus address from /proc/pid_of_komare/environ01:46
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: usually tests don't wait for an app to be closed01:46
shadeslayerit's not unusal to have tests that require X running01:47
shadeslayerbut it's unusual to open an app and keep waiting for it to be closed01:47
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: why is this written pbuilder unfriendly 01:47
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: because pbuilder is just a packaging tool used by packagers01:48
shadeslayerit holds no significance when writing code :)01:48
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: i know but the devs know that we will be testing with pbuilder right?01:48
BarkingFishhi again.01:49
shadeslayerpbuilder is just a packaging tool01:49
shadeslayerhey BarkingFish01:49
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: so this is why Riddell is not using pbuilder01:49
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: to each his own :)01:49
BarkingFishhi shadeslayer :)01:49
phoenix_firebrdBarkingFish: got the log?01:49
shadeslayeryou can use sbuild or whatever01:49
shadeslayerpbuilder is just the de facto standard in Ubuntu land for build packages01:50
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: the testing would be easy if i use a vm with a full install right?01:50
shadeslayernot really01:50
BarkingFishthe error, phoenix_firebrd  - i forgot and did it in a tty, so couldn't copy / paste01:50
phoenix_firebrdBarkingFish: ok01:51
shadeslayeryou could just add your ppa, install the kolab stuff, try it out and remove the PPA01:51
shadeslayerthat's what I usually do01:51
BarkingFishthe upshot is, i can't install manually, because apparently it can't find KBUILD - it needs me to supply the path to KBUILD when i try to manually make ndiswrapper.01:51
BarkingFishand i forgot entirely how the hell to get dkms to do anything :)01:51
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: but the package is only done for raring and i have 12.1001:51
shadeslayerthen setup a VM01:52
shadeslayerthough you could just use a pbuilder for that too01:52
shadeslayerunless it's a graphical app, in which case it's better to do it in a VM01:52
shadeslayersee pbuilders --login option01:54
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: is there a way to take a snapshot of the base image of pbuilder?01:54
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: i saw that already01:54
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: ya if i use save after login, it will update the base image , but if i want to have the dfault base, i have to create it again right?01:55
shadeslayerthen don't use --save-after-login?01:56
shadeslayerjust do a --login01:56
shadeslayerand the changes won't be saved01:56
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: if i want some packages to be installed before the pbuilder starts building01:56
shadeslayercan you give me a usecase?01:57
shadeslayeras to why you would want to do that? I can advise better that way01:57
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: example i want dbus and dbus-x11 to be installed01:57
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer:  in case an app needs as a requirement 01:58
shadeslayerthen you add it to Build-Depends01:58
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: no not as a dep , but for some other purpose01:59
shadeslayerdefine 'other purpose'01:59
shadeslayerfor eg. I added xvfb and other stuff to Build-Depends for libkolab tests01:59
shadeslayereven though it's not required to compile libkolab, it's required to run the tests02:00
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: tell me how can i install something before pbuilder starts 02:00
shadeslayerI still don't see why you'd want to do that :P02:00
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: tell me02:01
shadeslayerbecause let's say you do it, that change will be local, and when you upload it to Launchpad, the build will fail02:01
shadeslayerbecause it doesn't have that dep installed02:01
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: well .. you could write a hook, or install it by hand and use --save-after-login02:01
phoenix_firebrdi min02:02
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: sorry i was on the phone02:08
shadeslayerI'm about to leave though, in another 10 minutes or so02:08
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: what you say is right and i know that too, but i want to know how to do that02:09
shadeslayerok, like I said, 2 ways02:09
shadeslayerone way keeps the chroot clean02:09
shadeslayerthe other is quicker02:09
BarkingFishi'm going to be going soon, but if anyone can help me with the dkms thing, your assistance would be appreciated. 02:09
shadeslayerBarkingFish: tried #ubuntu-x ?02:10
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: we can't login to the env when pbuilder running?02:10
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: sure you can02:10
BarkingFishI want to run raring with what it came with - not pollute it by having to use an old kernel, so i need to either get dkms to build ndiswrapper, or be able to build it manually.02:10
BarkingFishshadeslayer, no, i didn't even know it existed02:10
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: sec02:11
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment02:11
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: so there is not way of running or installing an app expect to add to deps02:11
BarkingFishthat's for xorg apparently02:11
shadeslayerread the section on Pbuilder Hooks02:11
BarkingFishthis isn't anything to do with xorg from what I can see :)02:11
shadeslayerBarkingFish: but isn't DKMS related to X ?02:11
shadeslayerdunno then, sorry02:12
shadeslayerthere's also #ubuntu-kernel02:12
shadeslayerso *maybe* that helps?02:12
BarkingFishyou bet it does02:12
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: I don't follow your question02:13
shadeslayerwhen you install an app, it should pull in everything it requires02:13
shadeslayerthere's a Depends field explicitly for that02:13
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: tell me how can i install dbus and dbus-x11 before pbuilder starts testing apart from adding it to deps and and with out using the save after login option02:14
shadeslayerwrite a hook02:15
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: thats nice02:15
shadeslayersee the wiki page I just sent you a couple of lines back02:15
shadeslayerand note the hook names02:15
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: i am reading that02:16
shadeslayerthe hook names signify at what point in the build they're run02:16
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: so you wrote a hook to kill kompare?02:17
shadeslayerwriting a hook is not feasible for that because that hook is not there in the build02:17
shadeslayerso I tried killing it via debian/rules02:17
shadeslayernote that hooks are only local02:17
shadeslayerthe buildd has no hooks / extra packages installed02:18
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: ya, i am asking it purely for local purposes only 02:18
shadeslayerit will only read debian/control and install the packages it reads from the Build-Dep line02:18
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: for testing my things 02:18
shadeslayeranyway, gtg02:18
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: bye02:19
jussiMorning ladies and gents07:25
highvoltagehello jussi07:56
jussigday highvoltage!07:57
jussihighvoltage: hows things? been a while since we talked...07:59
highvoltagejussi: oh well08:00
highvoltagejussi: been tough but I have a feeling everything is going to be ok08:01
highvoltagejussi: and you?08:01
jussihighvoltage: yeah, doing ok, kid growing, work going ok.08:01
yofel_phoenix_firebrd: hi, as shadeslayer said, installing packages by hooks is usually not recommended as it's purely local, but look at the B20icecc hook as an example08:41
yofel_as those packages only make sense locally they're installed by hook08:41
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phoenix_firebrdyofel_: ya i know, but its like the "goto"08:41
phoenix_firebrdyofel: for local personal testing purposes08:42
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i have some doubts on using amazon ec208:42
yofelsure, it's just that you should usually keep your setup as clean as possible to use different pbuilder images08:42
yofelI have a couple of quantal images with different setup for example08:42
yofel(different sets of PPA's added etc.)08:43
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok08:43
phoenix_firebrdyofel: how much does it cost the community if i use the cloud for an hour?08:43
yofelyou'll have to ask Riddell what kind of ec2 instance he's using and then look up the prices08:44
yofelit's usually not that much though, and a higher productivity is usually woth it08:44
phoenix_firebrdyofel:  i am using it past 3 hrs and i am worried about the cost08:45
phoenix_firebrdyofel: building fast-md5 now08:45
phoenix_firebrdyofel: working with the ec2 is bliss except the char echo speed is slow because of my show internet  connection08:46
phoenix_firebrdyofel: probably with a 400 ms delay08:47
yofelphoenix_firebrd: well, the pricing is here: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ but I don't know where the instance is nor what kind08:50
yofelmeh, they still only accept credit cards :(08:51
phoenix_firebrdyofel: this one is a partial log http://paste.kde.org/656090/08:55
phoenix_firebrdyofel: fast-md5 build fails08:55
phoenix_firebrdyofel: from the log the resulting output is a jar08:56
yofelthe new build.xml has no jar target, so the error is right09:00
yofelI know 0 about ant so can't really help here09:00
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok i will drop this build process and exit the ec2 session09:01
yofelmake sure to power it down if you know that you don't need it anymore09:02
phoenix_firebrdyofel: dont it affect someone else?09:02
yofelI don't think those sessions are shared, you'll have to ask Riddell though09:02
phoenix_firebrdyofel: yesterday he asked me if he can shutdown , i am confused09:03
yofeluhm, they charge by runtime, so he was wondering whether you were still using it before he shuts it down09:04
phoenix_firebrdyofel: so can i shutdown  now?09:04
yofellet's wait for him if you're not sure09:04
phoenix_firebrdyofel: in that case i will just exit the session09:05
phoenix_firebrdyofel: did you review the packages in my ppa?09:06
yofelI did for kolab09:06
phoenix_firebrdyofel: I am planning to remove the ssh and gpg keys, will that affect the packages in the ppa?09:06
yofelI'm not familiar with the others so it'll have to wait till the evening if you want *me* to review them09:07
yofelI can't upload them anyway09:07
yofelphoenix_firebrd: nope, only new uploads/commits09:07
phoenix_firebrdyofel: so removing the present ssh and gpg keys from launchapd and from my local doesnot affect the packages in the ppa  correct?09:08
yofelwhatever is already on launchpad isn't affected. The keys are only used to identify you to launchpad from outside of the WebUI09:11
yofelthe ppa has it's own signature key for the binary packages09:12
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok09:12
phoenix_firebrdyofel: can you recommend some packages that needs priority from here http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html09:13
yofelhm, I don't recognise pretty much all packages on that list, so there isn't really anything from us left09:18
yofelat least nothing with a working watch file09:18
yofel(someone remind me to fix the one in kile)09:18
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i will remind you.09:19
yofellet's see if mom has something09:20
yofelRiddell: is koffice-l10n still used by something?09:21
yofelshadeslayer: go merge quassel ;)09:22
phoenix_firebrdyofel: is that the merge request dashboard ?09:23
yofelphoenix_firebrd: it's the auto-generated list of packages that could be merged with newer versions from debian09:23
phoenix_firebrdyofel: so i should pick from here09:24
yofelwell, I'm not a merge expert, or at least not an expert at teaching it, and quassel seems to be the only thing from our packageset in there09:24
yofellet's see if it's worth i09:24
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok , shall i try?09:25
yofelphoenix_firebrd: doesn't look like it's really worth it on first glance, but feel free to09:30
yofelI couldn't find the classic merge guide, the udd one is here and usually works too: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-merging.html09:30
yofeljust use debianlp:sid/quassel as debian branch09:31
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok09:32
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i can do this later?09:32
yofelthere's not a lot to merge here, so it should be not too hard09:32
yofelif you won't do it it'll probably be forgotten for a while09:33
phoenix_firebrdyofel: why?09:33
yofelphoenix_firebrd: one thing though. If you do start on it, mention that in the (invisible) comment field on https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html09:33
yofelphoenix_firebrd: the debian package doesn't really add anything except some maintenance changes compared to our package09:34
yofelso usually nothing I would spend my time on. But good as an example09:34
yofel(good as an example that actually yields something useful)09:34
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i will try this with the help of you or someelse09:35
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i am new to this09:35
yofelsure. Once you did the merge you've seen most of our packaging activities I think. Except for packaging something from scratch09:37
yofelnot sure if we have something in the queue for that09:37
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i have done packaging from scratch , like the the nepomuk metadata extractor09:38
yofelah good09:38
phoenix_firebrdyofel: which reminds me about the python optimization, did you do it? 09:40
yofelno, better look for someone else as that looks time consuming from what I've seen and I don't have that much spare time currently09:40
yofel(or at least am not motivated enough to spend a few days on that)09:41
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok, the python thing takes 1h 10 min for compiling the ontologies , thats not good right?09:42
yofelI tried it, I know, took half an hour even on my i709:43
phoenix_firebrdgoing to building simple-http09:51
phoenix_firebrdyofel: what happended to libkolabxml?09:51
phoenix_firebrdah its merged09:58
alleeafiestas: debian pkgers asked: what's the mininal version of  kdelibs, kdeworkspace that required for (lib)kscreen?  10:00
yofelallee: CMakeLists.txt should tell you that10:01
yofelbut doesn't yay10:02
yofelallee: I don't think we've tried to build it with anything older than 4.910:02
yofelallee: kdeworkspace doesn't seem to be needed though10:03
yofelafiestas: about kscreen: <pinotree> why does it require qjson 0.8?10:19
afiestasallee: no idea tbh10:29
afiestasbut anything 4.9 and greater works10:29
afiestasshould work in 4.8 as well I guess10:30
afiestasbut only 49 and above is supported10:30
afiestasyofel: because it does? :3310:30
afiestasqjson 0.7.1 is not able to properly serialize floats10:30
yofelah ok10:30
afiestastbh, getting tired of having to asnwer these questions :s10:30
afiestasI mean, it is like the 5th time I do, maybe I should document it somewhere10:31
alleeafiestas: can't be wrong :-)10:31
vassieRiddell: Hello, new package uploaded ;)10:39
vassieRiddell: In the build queue, will keep an eye on it10:44
Riddellgood stuff vassie 11:22
Riddellphoenix_firebrd: a basic ec2 machine costs 8.5UScents an hour11:23
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: is that hi or low?11:26
Riddellit's cheap for an hour, it's expensive to leave it on for a year11:27
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: should i shutdown after finishing my work or just exit the session?11:28
Riddellphoenix_firebrd: yes you should terminate it with "poweroff"11:28
Riddellor by telling me11:29
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: will it affect anyone else11:29
Riddellphoenix_firebrd: shutting down a machine?  depends if anyone else is using the machine11:36
Riddellthey're not usuall shared, the whole point is it's a quick way to get an isolated environment11:36
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: ok11:37
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: in that case whenever i need, i will ask and after finishing my work i will leave a message for you or if no one else is using i will shutdown11:38
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: the user ubuntu is public?11:39
Riddellno, when I start a machine it has an ssh key only I have for access and I can add other people's ssh keys11:39
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: so you added mine from launchpad?11:40
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: I think i am asking the wrong question11:41
Riddellphoenix_firebrd: yes I did11:42
Riddellvassie: best to bump the ppa version no, 0.9.2-0ubuntu2~ppa1  -> 0.9.2-0ubuntu2~ppa211:42
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: I need my ssh key files in there, what should i do11:42
Riddellphoenix_firebrd: I'll add it when starting up a machine for you11:43
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: thank you11:43
vassieRiddell: ah, thought i had to bump the ubuntu number11:50
Riddellvassie: either works but best to bump the ~ppa one in a ppa11:50
vassieRiddell: shall i cancel the current build and resubmit?11:50
Riddellvassie: no no leave it11:50
vassieRiddell: k11:51
vassieRiddell: hope this one works, what comes after? runtime deps and backports?11:52
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: I am not using the ec2 now11:55
Riddellanyone have a UEFI secure boot computer thing?12:18
Riddellor know what to buy for one?12:18
yofelRiddell: I think anything that's certified for Window 8 should work for that12:21
Riddellhmm this says not easy to identify http://superuser.com/questions/396905/how-to-identify-uefi-capable-laptops12:49
xnoxRiddell: you can download OVMF and set it up in KVM13:07
xnoxRiddell: these instructions are the best https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot13:08
xnoxnote that it doesn't save state, so one can provision SB keys and "reboot" with SB mode, but not shutdown kvm & start again.13:08
Riddellhmm, lots to read13:21
Riddellbasse?  basse who made konqi?13:24
bassehi. just wanted so say congratulations for kubuntu developers. just finished upgrading from natty to oneiric to precice to quantal13:24
Riddellthat's quite an upgrade!13:25
basseand it all just worked :)  ok. well, lost wireless for a bit, but that was just wrong drivers and easy fix.  and on the process, got 40gigs more space on my harddrive, which is kind of strange. but i like it :)13:25
basseRiddell: yes, thats the same basse13:25
Riddellwelcome back :)13:26
basseheh thanks. i've been here all the time tho..  :)  maybe a bit more on the blender side of things.13:26
Riddellyou can blend us a kubuntu raring ringtail to say thanks :)13:28
bassewhat is that?13:30
Riddellthe codename for 13.04, a ringtail lemur13:31
Riddellwhich is raring to go13:31
BluesKajHey all13:33
basseRiddell: so it's like the kde logo and something around that.. looking at the previous logos13:34
bassewell.. not kde.. but the gear thing 13:35
Riddellbasse: what is?13:36
Riddellbasse: the kubuntu logo not "gear thing" :)13:37
Riddellanyone fancy testing usb-creator-kde for python 3?13:37
Riddellyofel: I thought I deleted koffice-l10n13:38
Riddellhmm apparently not13:38
basseyou wouldn't know anything about the grahic tablet settings in new kubuntu?13:40
Riddellyofel: package removed13:41
Riddellbasse: only that we added the wacom system settings module13:41
Riddellbut it hasn't got much testing13:41
bassei'm running my carefully crafted dual-monitor-swapping script .. and i a bit afraid of trying this nice new tool that basicly looks like that would do the same thing..13:41
basseexcept hotkey..13:41
bassewondering if it saves over some settings..  or uses xinput.. 13:42
cyphermoxshadeslayer: poke15:44
cyphermoxshadeslayer: looks like I'll be officially postponing working on VPN plugin install automatisation15:45
cyphermox(which means unofficially I'll get to it eventually, just not in paid work)15:45
cyphermoxfeel free to hack at it and ask questions though, if you want to patch that early15:45
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yofelJontheEchidna: is there some way to run an a command after an apt-get dist-upgrade (or any apt command) finishes? Or are there only dpkg triggers?16:01
yofelI was wondering if we could have some popup after a kde upgrade that people should please restart their session.16:01
yofelNot sure if the current notification helper behaviour is best for that16:01
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JontheEchidnayofel: it's pretty much limited to dpkg triggers18:05
JontheEchidnaas far as I know18:05
yofelhm, ok, thanks :/18:12
yofelkilling ksmserver is a bad idea18:23
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shadeslayeryofel: ack20:19
shadeslayercyphermox: re VPN stuff, I'll look at it next month20:19
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