[03:48] Does anyone care to look at bug 1102797 for me and make sure I did it right? It's my first time, so be gentle. [03:48] Launchpad bug 1102797 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500 does not work after fresh install of 12.10 x64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102797 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === zequence_ is now known as zequence === reels_ is now known as reels === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti [15:26] where to report bugs for cdimage.ubuntu.com ? [15:27] against ubuntu-cdimage === reels_ is now known as reels [18:38] wasn't there a tag to make the bot stop messing with bugs in the linux package? [18:42] bot-stop-nagging ? [18:42] or some such [18:44] that's it [19:17] this is probably a better channel than #-devel [19:17] is it appropriate to file bugs in the distribution found? [19:17] Or should I be working my way upstream, checking for behavior in Debian, and filing from top down? [19:17] Particularly in this case apache2 comes with a configuration file that includes a global Listen directive [19:18] this is 1) useless; 2) stupid; 3) problematic if you don't run a VirtualHost on port 80 but DO run other services on port 80 [19:18] Those of us pushing vhosts out with configuration management software can generally avoid messing with httpd.conf except for that [19:19] anyway [19:19] trying to decide if I need to file with Launchpad or with Debian's bug tracker === e11bits_ is now known as e11bits === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [19:46] bluefoxxx: if it affects Ubuntu, then you can open the bug here. If it is also present in Debian, you should _also_ open one in Debian, and cross-ref both [19:47] what hggdh said :) [19:47] * TheLordOfTime was ninja'd. [19:47] (it is better to have upstream fix an issue, always, and it minimises future merges) [19:47] TheLordOfTime: :-) [19:48] hggdh, you pulled the words out of my mouth about upstream... i do that with nginx all the time :P [19:48] SEND: bug upstream to nginx trac. WAIT: for patch. APPLY: patch for SRUing. [19:48] ::p [19:48] speaking of which, one of my nginx servers died... o.O [19:48] sometimes I *do* pay attention to this channel ;-) [19:48] hggdh, :P [19:59] hggdh, I was more in the mind that I'm not a strictly Debian proper user, it's an extra step for me to go back [20:00] and interested in if it's fairly likely that opening an Ubuntu bug will get the changes propagated back to Debian if it affects Debian, due to collaboration [20:00] or if I should spin up a VM and test everything and see if the same bugs come from upstream [20:01] typically, what i'd do is look at the debian package... [20:01] and see if it exists there. [20:01] already * [20:02] usually i find already-filed upstream ones, but i also usually file bugs in debian if its not already filed - usually including which version of the package is affected, or the nearest equivalent one. [20:02] and of course, testing the upstream package :p [20:02] (of course, for PHP5 and nginx, i don't have to do that, its already done by others... xD) (my specialization is server packages :P) [20:02] but you are not *required* to open it on Debian. It would help, but it is not necessary. Eventually, someone will. [20:03] meanwhile, you wait ;-) [20:03] yep [20:03] ... okay, either apt-mirror hates me or my system is broken.......... [20:03] :/ [20:06] Hi, I'm new to this. Am I supposed to be Triaged first before coming here? [20:06] no, we can help you regardless of if the bug is triaged or not :) [20:06] although hggdh'll probably be more help than I right now [20:06] * TheLordOfTime is debugging apt-mirror [20:07] Ok. Thanks. I just switched to Ubuntu less than a month ago, so it's all very new to me. :) [20:09] I'm still gathering together a proper documentation of the problem anyway.. and it's something that's been discussed a good deal on forums.. [20:09] TheLordOfTime: what's wrong with your apt-mirror? [20:09] * TheLordOfTime reads the logs [20:09] * TheLordOfTime facedesks [20:10] lolololololololololololol... its erroring out because one of the mirrors that it mirrors is down xD [20:10] heh [20:10] * TheLordOfTime repoints the offline-mirror entry to the US regional archive [20:11] s/regional/country code/ [20:11] There must be a resource out there, a site or IRC channel for people having a hard time with audio setups? [20:13] ok [20:13] That should be a very low importance but I can't triage my own bugs. [20:13] triage requires bugcontrol usually, which bug? [20:13] 1105411 [20:13] LP Bug 1105411 [20:13] Launchpad bug 1105411 in apache2 (Ubuntu) "apache2 default conf file contains Listen directive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1105411 [20:14] bugs usually need to be confirmed before we triage, but i agree on the low importance [20:14] * TheLordOfTime sets the bug as Low Importance [20:14] It's low priority because it's effectively meaningless housekeeping minimizing the configuration [20:14] agreed, which is why i set it :) [20:17] bluefoxxx, which releases are affected? [20:17] all of em? [20:17] 12.10 last I looked [20:17] I stumbled over it trying to deploy puppetmaster-passenger from a puppet module [20:18] couldn't figure out how to get port 80 closed [20:18] manager stumbled over the same issue in RHEL6 a few hours ago because Apache was binding to 80 and breaking another server software ;p [20:18] sounds like upstream issues? [20:18] (I guess it affects RHEL/Fedora too) [20:19] if its in Ubuntu its likely in Debian, *checks debian BTS to see whether this is filed there* [20:19] well, the location is in httpd.conf in RHEL and ports.conf in Ubuntu, but it's probably in Ubuntu because it's in Debian [20:19] hence why I asked if I should test this in Debian and file there earlier, which I don't have time to do at the precise moment and which requires me to figure out where to get a Debian install ISO :) [20:21] i'd file in both Ubuntu and Debian then. i usually file in ubuntu first and triage it up to Debian where necessary, and sometimes all the way to upstream :P [20:22] ports.conf from SID: http://paste.kde.org/656618 [20:22] so feel free to bug them [20:22] * TheLordOfTime triages to Debian [20:23] yofel, is it inconceivable to keep Debian packages in git? [20:23] like, the build tree, sans the source code [20:23] uh, I think the debian folks do that [20:23] I don't remember, but i thought that the source of a deb file was without any source code, and that it knew where the code came from, got the tar.gz, extracted it, built, packaged, etc. [20:23] is that still correct? [20:23] yofel, 2.2.22-12, right? [20:23] (what you found it on) [20:24] yofel, cool, I should find their git server so I can just read through stuff there :) [20:24] bluefoxxx: not really, a normal debian source package is source+packaging as it doesn't need a VCS at all [20:24] yofel, it's notable that the Listen 443 thing is broken in newest httpd anyway [20:25] but there is a git plugin I believe that does exactly what you're saying [20:25] I think. SOmething is. [20:25] Like, SSL won't inherit SSL configuration directives from the global space in virtualhost anymore, which is funny. It broke our Web server here when I tried to migrate it. 8) [20:25] but I know awk [20:25] TheLordOfTime: 2.2.22-12 yeah [20:25] which is Unix kungfu [20:26] * yofel solved *that* with c&p as he only had one host there [20:26] but yeah, I did notice that -.- [20:28] bluefoxxx: I think you're looking for http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-apache/apache2.git;a=summary btw [20:28] seems to be the full source too though [20:29] excellent [20:32] i shall return, i have to disappear because of reboot :/ [20:47] yofel, bluefoxxx, bug sent to debian. Debian Bug 698967 has been linked to the Ubuntu bug. [20:47] Debian bug 698967 in apache2 "apache2 default conf file contains Listen directive" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/698967 [20:48] (The LP bug is LP Bug 1105411) [20:48] Launchpad bug 1105411 in apache2 (Ubuntu) "apache2 default conf file contains Listen directive" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1105411 [20:51] * TheLordOfTime goes off to beat his head into the wall because of Windows being stupid. [21:12] bluefoxxx, still here? [21:34] TheLordOfTime, barely [21:35] TheLordOfTime, messing with a media server on CentOS6 [21:35] bluefoxxx, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698967 [21:35] Debian bug 698967 in apache2 "apache2 default conf file contains Listen directive" [Minor,Open] [21:35] Cannot wait for CentOS7 [21:35] bluefoxxx, well if you can divert your attention [21:35] someonie responded on the debian bug [21:35] because for a few days, RHEL will not be so much of a pile of crap. [21:36] TheLordOfTime, from what I can tell the Listen directive is completely unneeded at all [21:36] if you have email you can respond :P [21:36] ok [21:37] email 698967@bugs.debian.org to respond. you may want to point out if you're the poster of the ubuntu bug too [21:37] since all i did was "triage" it to debian [21:39] TheLordOfTime, I must have missed something somewhere. Trying to figure out what I did. [21:39] :) [21:40] TheLordOfTime, I think I'm completely wrong :( [21:41] Apache listens on whatever it's told to listen on, whether or not there is actually a virtual host listening there. It doesn't cry that you have a VirtualHost listening on another port that it's not listening on, doesn't open the port, and will cry if you're not listening on any ports. Blah. [21:43] bluefoxxx, so... notabug and i should have it invalid'd in debian and invalid it in ubuntu? :P [21:43] * TheLordOfTime yawns [21:43] apache, while being a server package, isn't on my list of favorite packages :P [21:45] probably. [21:54] responded [22:14] made a fool of myself now [22:15] :P [22:17] bluefoxxx, don't forget to mark that on the debian bug as well, 698967@bugs.debian.org :P [22:17] i replied to the debian bug [22:17] i should probably put something on the launchpad bug [22:17] or not do this crap while I'm doing 40 other things at work [22:17] someone already did on the lp bug [22:17] :P [22:17] I have too much negative karma to make mistakes :| [22:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1105411/comments/2 <-- you? [22:17] Ubuntu bug 1105411 in apache2 (Debian) "apache2 default conf file contains Listen directive" [Unknown,New] [22:20] bluefoxxx, i'm going to assume that comment was yours. [22:20] DA [22:20] i'm forwarding to debian, with the suggestion to mark it as invalid or similar. [22:25] i think it got there by way of e-mail to the list [22:25] ... [22:25] I have no idea what I did, all I know is I saw an e-mail and I hit reply. [22:26] TheLordOfTime, just send them 'nevermind, end user is incompetent' [22:26] that should get the point across [22:29] :P [22:29] doesn't matter. [22:29] i've already sent the message along :) [22:29] we tend to be nicer than just "INCOMPETENT! " [22:29] :P [22:34] bluefoxxx, i suggested that they close the bug as won'tfix or notabug. [22:34] they did so :) [22:34] and i politely suggested that :)