=== azeam is now known as azeam_afk [00:38] hello? [00:38] anybody here? [00:38] !anybody [00:38] A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [00:40] anyone know why i can't install flash? [00:40] once i've downloaded it on xubuntu 12.10 [00:40] i did " sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [17:49] can I change font color of text in panel [17:49] only by modifying your gtk-theme [17:49] if panel is in alpha color [17:50] well how can I have ambiance working on xubuntu [17:50] sry, g2g [17:50] ok [19:47] hi [19:47] need help, pls. [19:48] filantropus: sure, just ask and one of the volunteers will help [19:52] Anyone having issues with bluetooth on 12.10? [19:55] my keyboard works fine, my headset hates the world, but it was like that in vanilla ubuntu on 12.04 and 12.10 [19:55] *bluetooth on both of those btw [19:55] Anyone have thoughts on this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921687 [19:58] seems i cannot use a bluetooth connection. [19:58] mainly trying to connect my iphone5 to bluetooth. [20:13] Cheri703: I'd check with GridCube when he comes around, but he may not know. Would it be an option to autohide it? [20:13] I tried that, but it is REALLY hard to hit the right spot to make it pop out when you're balancing between two screens [20:13] Also, for the way I'm wanting to lay things out, non-hidden would work best [20:19] also: a thanks to whoever included the ZOMG Ponies! Theme for notifications. I have EVERYTHING on a dark background/light text theme now (including chrome and quassel), and the GIANT pink with yellow comic sans notifications are kind of perfect so I don't miss things. :) It is a bit startling to have an email notification take up a quarter of the screen, but that's probably good. :D [20:20] Cheri703: plus the comic sans font, just perfect [20:20] yeah [20:21] you can easily make your own, you know [20:21] I am like "do de do de do worky work work OMGWTF?!?!" "oh...an email" [20:21] eh, this works :) [20:21] I downloaded a theme from xfce-look [20:21] personally I like the policy of checking the e-mail twice a day [20:22] at 10 am and at 15 [20:22] that + hacker vision extension for chrome, dark theme for quassel, happy eyes :D [20:22] I work from home doing support, so I am always connected [20:24] im a support guy too :D [20:25] I'm more on the customer support side than the technical support (at least at this job) :) [20:25] I do a bunch of other stuff too [20:26] I do server support. So gotta deal with clients more often than I please :D [20:26] heh [20:26] rebooting to see if I can get autokey working again, back in a bit. [20:30] ok back [20:42] Xubuntu 12.04 with new netbook after two days of frustration with windoze. Whoohooo! :) [20:43] 1GB Ram, will check how much mobo will support but how much Ram will xubuntu support? [20:44] enough [20:46] Not really helpful? [20:47] i have the display brightness that don't work with fn key in xubuntu [20:47] in theory 64 bit OS can support 16EB of memory [20:47] howto fix? [20:47] the audio volume works instead [20:47] toxicsgz: more than a netbook will support [20:47] or other things [20:47] !pae [20:47] To use more than ~3.2GB RAM on a 32bit system you can install the PAE-enabled kernel. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE for more info [20:47] but brightness no [20:47] OK torax thx, I doubt a netbook mobo will support nearly that so I am in the clear :) [20:48] ^^ and thats just for more than 3gb's on 32bit systems toxicsgz [20:48] For some reason after a reboot, the application icons aren't showing up on my panel [20:48] Yep as i thought thx all, wn't put more than 2 in anyway. [20:48] even if I change themes [20:49] Cheri703: i would test as a new user to remove your config from the equation [20:49] (I just installed xubuntu yesterday, so I'm still playing with it) [20:49] ok [20:49] toxicsgz: you likely cant [20:49] good call [20:51] hrm, if I change theme and log out and back in, they're back [20:52] Will play fr a week or two but interested to know if users install xubuntu on mid to high end desktops. RUnning linux mint 13 currently but liking xubuntu a lot in to days. [20:52] toxicsgz: More than you can afford :) According to AskUbuntu: A LOT! (Actually 2^64) but because of hardware limits and real world computers the limit is around 1TB ( 1024GB RAM) [20:53] toxicsgz: xubuntu is freely available to anyone, and its a good match with most any system, so its used really anywhere [20:53] :) I think 2 GB will suffice for my netbook purposes. [20:53] Hmm! Might consider this for my desktop also :) [20:53] toxicsgz: I ran 2gb ram on my main workstation with xubuntu. [20:53] : [20:53] I simply had no need to upgrade. [20:54] Because it was blazingly fast. [20:54] Linux devs are weird that way. [20:54] Some things hang with just 1GB so two is a must. [20:54] They dont assume resources are endless and that there is no need to make everything as bloated as possible. [20:55] It used to be that good code used as little as possible. [20:55] i use both.. i wouldnt say "a must" but its nice [20:55] depends on what you are doing.. my netbook with 2gb's rarely needs/ uses 1gb [20:56] HD video hANGS A BIT [20:56] i doubt the ram will help with that [20:56] ram doesnt make the system any faster [20:57] hMM! YOU MAY BE RIGHT THERE [20:57] sorry caps [20:57] I mean HD stream [20:57] but same I guess [20:57] holstein: Can if it's swapping out like crazy. ;) (Mine does that, had to try a couple things to make it work better) [20:58] I think the CPU struggles more than the Ram [20:58] sure, but i doubt thats the case when playing a vid [20:58] Using all the ram isnt necessarily bad. [20:58] but, you can test.. and try for youself toxicsgz [20:58] It depends what it's doing with it. [20:58] RAM is meant to be used. [20:58] Hello, I'm having trouble with Firefox 19 opening Thunar Preferences instead of Thunar [20:58] Swapping sucks, though. [20:58] Unless you have ssd in which case it wont matter much, usually. [20:59] Well thx for the input, new xubuntu user very happy :) [20:59] But tweak to noswap, but then it might just freeze ;) [20:59] Ah! I like th SSD idea :) [20:59] (so dont do that) [21:04] So uh.. my preferred applications are set to Thunar, but it opens the preferences for some reason. [21:07] Nothing_Much: it? [21:08] Anyone familiar with poking around in theme settings to try to figure out why my the window button icons vanished? [21:08] *Firefox [21:09] Or anyone have a deviant art account they'd be willing to use to post a comment and ask about it? (I don't really want to create one >_<) [21:09] Cheri703: i just use well supported themes, that just work [21:10] well, yeah [21:10] but this one is PERFECT other than the icons not showing up :s [21:10] you can always just borrow the elements and/or ideas and make your own [21:10] Cheri703: i would say that is not perfect then [21:10] lots of changes with gtk going on... hard to tell [21:11] yeah, I might try modifying one that came with xubuntu [21:13] The shimmer themes will be the most compatible, Albatross is pretty good as is Blackbird for darker themes. [21:24] this is...DARK. http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/ACID-280889262 not just outlines dark, everything dark [21:24] my eyes are much happier with this + hacker vision extension in chrome [21:28] i like this one a lot: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/beautiful-mediterraneannight-gtk-36.html [21:28] ooo, I will try it, thanks :) [21:33] not *quite* as dark, but still good! and my icons are back! Thanks koegs! [22:05] brightness control dont work on my xubuntu on my notebook someone can help me? [22:19] MoL0ToV: on the keyboard, correct? [22:20] i would look into graphics drivers.. i would ask yourself just how important this is.. i would try live CD's and see if something "just works" and see what is making it work [22:23] if i add the applet on the panel that control the bightness i can change it [22:23] but not via function keys [22:23] fn+f5 fn+f6 [22:27] all I need to do now is get the panels functioning properly on the edges between my monitors and I will be a happy camper :) [22:28] MoL0ToV: do those keys do other things? like are they not matching up with the assigned shortcut that's printed on the keyboard? [22:29] is all ok but brightness [22:29] what model of notebook? [22:30] MoL0ToV: well, its not the brightness then, its the function keys on your keyboard [22:31] MoL0ToV: brightness is fine, and you *can* control it [22:31] MoL0ToV: i would search by the model # of your maching and see if anyone has the function keys working [22:32] http://askubuntu.com/questions/13000/keyboard-function-keys-do-not-work [22:32] hey guys, is Xubuntu as easy to use as Ubuntu or more complicated like Lubuntu ? [22:32] http://askubuntu.com/questions/233312/how-to-make-keyboard-backlight-fn-buttons-work-in-samsung-series-9 might be helpful too [22:32] heliocentrique: i dont find lubuntu more complicated [22:32] heliocentrique: complicated can be a matter of opinion [22:32] heliocentrique: if you come from gnome2, you will find it easy to use xubuntu [22:32] heliocentrique: fire it up live and see if it meets your needs [22:33] heliocentrique: if you are looking for main ubuntu/unity, then just use it [22:34] holstein: the package manager on Lubuntu is more complicated than Software Center IMO, Ubuntu lags too much on my netbook and I need a very user-friendly OS (like OSX or Windows) [22:34] I tried Lubuntu in the past and it seems uncompleted, so I was looking at Xubuntu. I have limited data that's why I ask before downloading [22:35] heliocentrique: lubuntu *is* ubuntu, so you can install and use the package manager of your choice, same as with xubuntu [22:36] heliocentrique: I just switched to xubuntu yesterday. I really like it. I've been using regular ubuntu for a while, and it was fine, but xubuntu seems way more customizable [22:36] and all of my normal stuff runs fine. [22:36] holstein, is a asus k56c [22:37] MoL0ToV: thats how i would search then... asus k56c ubuntu function keys.. also, i might just not bother since you can adjust the brightness, and i find that if that is going to be easy, its working out of the box [22:38] also the touchpad is bad [22:38] there are a touchpad that goeas also over the 2 buttons.. [22:39] so when you click, ch pointer moves and you click out of the place.. [22:39] bad?.. if the hardware is bad, linux wont fix it [22:39] you can try other drivers.. i usually test with live CD's.. its an easy way to use other kernels temporarily and test hardware support [22:40] ok thx [22:40] bye [22:41] holstein, were you in here earlier when I posted a link to the issue I'm having with panels? [22:43] Cheri703: the issue with the theme, i thought [22:50] that was one issue, I have another :) [22:50] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921687 [22:54] i just use one panel [22:54] you can do whatever you like im sure.. i would look into maybe just running a different panel [22:54] maybe tint2 [22:54] maybe that would be worse.. not sure [22:54] I don't know if it's a bug or just some setting a dev could change [22:54] it's something about the middle being treated as floating [22:55] what [22:55] whats the problem Cheri703 ? [22:55] Cheri703: its more of a "feature" :) ..but you can get what you want, im just not sure how [22:55] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921687 [22:55] GridCube: bascially seperate panels per screen on dual head [22:55] basically: vertical panels along the inner edge between two monitors are treated as floating vs edge [22:55] so when I maximize they go under instead of butting up against it [22:56] and that is the opposite of what I want [22:56] oh.. maybe im mis-understanding [22:56] separate panels are possible [22:56] you want the panels to be over the windows? [22:56] no [22:56] Cheri703, how its your set up¿? [22:56] maximisedwindows going under makes the panels going over [22:57] basically, if I put a panel on the outer edges, when I maximize the window, it doesn't go under it, it goes up against the edge. if I put them on the inner edges, the window goes under it and there's no way for it to be treated as solid [22:57] GridCube: I have two 24" monitors [22:57] I'm running xfce 4.12 [22:57] Cheri703: its going to be all about the nomencature for your search queries [22:58] yeah, I spent some time looking last night [22:59] the settings for an "outer" panel and an "inner" panel will be identical, but it still treats the "inner" panels like they're floating instead of edge [22:59] are you sure they are touching the "center" [22:59] ? [22:59] sure, but me nor google will understand what you mean by outer and inner [22:59] yeah GridCube [22:59] holstein: I was looking for all sorts of stuff about edge panels and multi-monitors [23:00] im not sure that the dual head matters [23:00] it does [23:00] edge panels work fine [23:00] as expected [23:00] i would take that out of the equation and try on one screen [23:00] my set up is different so i cant help you, sorry, i use a combination of vga/hdmi and it has its oddieties [23:00] it is only the edges in between them [23:00] they work fine holstein [23:00] Cheri703: then just do it the same [23:00] GridCube: right now I'm vga/dvi, next week I'll be dvi/hdmi [23:00] holstein: I did! I set them up identically and it still behaves this way [23:01] I spent a few hours poking at it last night [23:01] im my case, you can only have different panels and each monitor is treated a whole different screen [23:01] but the pointer can move around both [23:02] hmm...mine is set up in displays as "x monitor is to the left of y monitor" and "y monitor is to the right of x monitor" so xubuntu is recognizing them as two separate monitors [23:02] Cheri703: i would take screen shots or whatever would help describe "this way" [23:03] basically "make a floating panel, see how it behaves when you maximize a window" "make an edge panel, see how it behaves when you maximize a window" "when the panel is on the edge between two monitors it behaves like a floating panel instead of an edge panel" the end. [23:03] I can do screenshots if necessary [23:06] Cheri703: that is the difference though, i thought [23:06] Cheri703: if you move them, they change.. that should be the case on one monitor [23:06] each monitor has 4 edges [23:06] even when set up as a dual monitor setup [23:06] but, i would have to set this up first hand, and i can.. and will.. but i cant now [23:06] so as a dual-monitor thing, I should have 8 edges to use as edge panels [23:06] I have 4 [23:06] I want 8 [23:07] because I want the left edge of the right monitor and the right edge of the left monitor to be places I can mount a launcher panel [23:07] ah, your using an expanded desktop between both monitors right now [23:07] and have them behave as edge panels with regard to maximized windows [23:07] not mirrored [23:07] so...I guess? [23:08] but I still want panels [23:08] :) [23:10] so you have 2 panels now and want to add more? [23:10] as said you can have panels for each just add new ones and send them to the proper screen [23:10] I have one right now, I'd like to have a total of two, one on each monitor on the inner edges between them [23:10] creating them is NOT the issue [23:11] their behavior is the issue [23:11] I can make 80 panels if I want [23:11] I get that [23:11] ok, screenshot time, hang on a few minutes [23:11] but wait, wait wait, im being confused right now... what version of xfce are you using? [23:11] 4.12 [23:11] so I could have the monitors non-mirrored [23:12] the problem is not with the panels.. nor with anything [23:12] but thats not the official version for xubuntu bro [23:12] you want the inner edges to be "edges" [23:12] and they are not [23:12] * frustratedtech seems i can mount a panel on the inner edge [23:13] frustratedtech: yeah, they can be there [23:13] now maximize a window [23:13] i have them on the inner edge aswel, im using 4.10 [23:13] the window goes under [23:13] I can uninstall 4.12, but my understanding was that it wouldn't support the dual monitors without it [23:13] Cheri703: i have one of those on my xfce rig.. and it works fine [23:13] its not in the inside edge [23:14] holstein: is it on the outside edge? [23:14] Cheri703: i have dual head on the stock [23:14] weird [23:14] Cheri703: correct [23:14] if the panel its unticked on "reserve space on the borders" it will be floatin [23:14] its on the outside edge, and i have ^^ that setting [23:14] I see [23:14] GridCube: it acts the same both ways [23:14] I tried it [23:14] its not the case here [23:14] frustratedtech: do you see what I'm saying? [23:14] alright, let me uninstall 4.12 [23:14] yeah, could be your version [23:15] yes, the window is below the panel [23:15] thats wonderful lol i like it [23:15] IT IS SO ANNOYING! [23:17] yea, so panel can be on one screen and maximize under but when you max on the other screen with no added panel it has blank space [23:17] yurp [23:19] seems that you found a bug [23:19] are you running 4.12 or 4.10? [23:19] frustratedtech: ^^ [23:19] 4.12 isn't out yet, not even preview 1 is. [23:19] I'm on 4.10 [23:20] * Cheri703 is running 4.12 [23:20] So I see the same thing as you [23:20] so if it's doing the same behavior it's not the fault of 4.12 [23:20] correct [23:20] so then I might not bother trying to revert [23:20] because I have no idea how to do that without killing something :) [23:21] Cheri703: If you need to revert, ppa-purge is a very handy tool! (Maybe not for this, but others) [23:21] yea, i'd say its just a bug with xfce4-panel [23:21] Can you take a screen shot and file a report? [23:21] Unit193: I know nothing about that, I will google [23:22] !ppa-purge [23:22] To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [23:22] nice! [23:24] if you click always on top for that window, it will go OVER the panel [23:24] but same issue on other monitor with the blank space [23:24] yeah [23:25] sooo...I might break something with this, so if I disappear, that's why [23:25] doing ppa-purge [23:26] I figure if I'm going to file a bug, I'll do it against the current version [23:26] yes, it would be optimal [23:28] frig. now I got it so it wont do the space on the other monitor [23:29] yet, it will still be above the expanded window [23:32] Yep, that for sure broke something [23:32] I'm on laptop now [23:32] trying to recover desktop >_< [23:34] try this [23:34] sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [23:35] I did. it said "unmet dependencies" "recommend x program but not installed" and then stopped [23:35] so...yeah [23:36] something about held broken packages or something? [23:36] I'm trying to "repair broken packages" but my other thought is to install the 4.10 ppa and see if that sorts things out [23:36] once I give up on this [23:55] for the record, this is why I installed 4.12 in the first place: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html [23:57] http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ Number 5. [23:58] yeah, but I wanted it natively, which 4.12 does [23:58] and apparently the same issue arises anyway! as far as panels [23:59] because if I'm telling it via arandr that it's one big screen, then I can understand it thinking it's a floating panel, if it's built in to xfce 4.12 that it is recognizing and treating as separate, then it should do what I want [23:59] so maybe I'll just go back to 4.12 and file the bug there