[00:10] I am running Ubuntu 10.04 and am downloading Ubuntu 12.04 to put onto CD, what program do I use to burn it into CD?, I have always used Nero on Windows XP and I would like to not use Nero, lol. [00:10] Is a prgogram already installed for this? [00:12] I mean do I need to install ISO Master?, or is there a program already installed in Ubuntu 10.04 for this? [00:14] Ubuntu has been able to burn isos for as long as I can remember [00:14] you right-click the iso and choose "Burn to disc..." or something like that [00:15] Ah OK, I will see when the time comes. [00:15] Sounds like something I've seen before [00:16] Great, TY [00:16] Take care, bye [00:17] write to disc, but I have to halt my computer, then rehook up my CD writer [00:17] bye [01:21] I have a problem setting up dual boot on a machine that already has Windows on it. The first stage where it asks me to choose a place for boot loader installation, it only will show the live USB drive. It seems I cannot get to the hard disk that holds Windows [01:21] IveBeenBit, what version of windows? [01:22] Windows 7 [01:23] IveBeenBit, can you select "try ubuntu" with the live USB and run "sudo parted -l " and paste that to paste.ubuntu.com [01:23] 1 moment please. Thank you. [01:28] Sorry it took so long. I have a Dvorak keyboard and have to type in Qwerty without seeing the letters. HAHA. URL upcoming [01:29] paste.ubuntu.com/1571450 [01:29] IveBeenBit, why do you have partitions on your flash disk? [01:30] I don't know. I used unetbootin and installed an ISO on the flash disk. My guess is that unetbootin did it. [01:31] Or maybe I did months ago when I was messing with it. It could be my fault. [01:31] IveBeenBit, ok never used unetbootin... it also did it in the stupidest way imaginable [01:31] IveBeenBit, so when you go into the installer you dont see windows at all? [01:32] hang on I will go back to the installer so I can tell you accurately [01:32] IveBeenBit: i ran into that and realized mt usb was not formatted FAT32 [01:32] but ntfs [01:33] at the installer it has /dev/stb and under that .../stb1 and ...sdb5 [01:34] an the bottom is the drop down and I can choose dev sda, sdb or sdb1 [01:34] IveBeenBit, then it is seeing sda [01:35] IveBeenBit, but it doesnt list windows? perhaps it is booting efi. can you see if there is a folder /sys/firmware/efi or /sys/firmware/uefi [01:35] Right, but when I pick that, it does not change the selections at the top...still shows the graph of the USB's partitions [01:36] in sys/firmware there is only acpi and memmap [01:36] IveBeenBit, i dont remember all the steps in the installer is this after you selected "manual partitioning" or before? [01:37] before. I am trying to get to the part that lets me partition [01:37] It's the very 1st step after it tells you to make sure you have enough hard drive space. [01:37] is it trying to onstall the bootloadder while creating the usb? [01:37] back again, my mouse still not working I already discarded a hardware issue (it works on bios), so not sure what to do from here. [01:37] IveBeenBit, well the bootloader will be installed to the mbr so your original question about the bootloader is irrelevant to whether or not it shows windows partitions on that disk [01:38] I am using a 12.04lets version desktop [01:38] escott: so I should just tell it to install the bootloader at sda? [01:39] IveBeenBit, i thought the bootloader was after the partitioning... so im a bit confused as to what step you are at [01:39] you want to remote desktop into this thing? I just formatted everything so there's nothing personal on it [01:40] IveBeenBit, the bootloader would be installed to sda if you plan to install the system to sda. [01:40] but it's seriously the first screen after it says "make sure you have 5 gigs and are connected to the internet" [01:40] IveBeenBit, i could be wrong about the order in which it asks you things [01:40] I was planning to give Ubuntu its own partitions, and put the bootloader in there [01:41] IveBeenBit, pbr loaders are very fragile [01:41] But understand I am a linux dumbass and may be trying to do something stupid without realizing it [01:41] IveBeenBit, grub really doesnt like doing that you would probably have to do it all manually [01:41] I had a hard time with the usb-creator yesterday. i also did not have any DVDs. I ended up installing 11.04 on CD and upgrading onr distro at a time until I got to 12.10\\ [01:42] IveBeenBit, there is a difference between the "bootloader" and the second stage grub files and the boot files [01:42] Grub has given me big problems before. It broke Windows last time I tried to ise Ubuntu [01:43] Back then I had motherboard RAID installed but I reconfigured everything because Ubuntu doesn't like BIOS-driven RAID apparently [01:43] but it put grubs everywhere [01:43] IveBeenBit, they call it fake raid for a reason [01:43] so I was hoping to keep it segregated this time [01:44] IveBeenBit, the reason fakeraid support is bad is because its complete junk and most developers recognize that and don't have any interest in writing drivers for it [01:44] So I got rid of all the fake RAID arrays. The problem is I have one of these fancy motherboards that uses an SSD as a windows cache disk. So I have to tie the HDD and SDD together into a fakeraid [01:45] IveBeenBit, and thats not going to work. [01:45] SSD* [01:45] I was afraid you would say that [01:46] IveBeenBit, i would go buy yourself another disk and don't put it into any intel storage anything and use it properly [01:46] Right now I only have 1 HDD plugged in and no RAID activated. I was going to partition everything and install both OSes and then turn on the RAID and see if it breaks Ubuntu [01:46] IveBeenBit, you can google around and see if anyone has had success with that intel speed whatever, but i doubt it [01:46] IveBeenBit: their are some windows programs the mess with the MBR (eho knows why). For example Adobe Creative Suite [01:46] IveBeenBit, it will [01:48] Do you think I could put Windows on an entire separate HDD, tie that into the SSD with Fake RAID and give Ubuntu it's own HDD that is not in a RAID array at all? [01:48] IveBeenBit, supposedly its supported with dmraid 1.0.0-rc15 so you could try, but i would not [01:48] IveBeenBit, that is what i would [01:49] escott: what do you mean? "That is what I would" [01:50] IveBeenBit, have a disk outside the rapid storage array and use that to boot linux [01:51] OK. Well then I will have to put an old HDD into this badboy and start from scratch. I'll probably be back to bug you guys then. [01:51] IveBeenBit, the other thing that people sometimes do is put their bootloader and /boot directory on a thumb drive and then use whatever fakeraid stuff on their disks [01:51] IveBeenBit, that circumvents the "grub doesn't know what intel is doing" problem and puts it all on the shoulders of dmraid which has a better chance of working. i still would not trust intel rapid storage with my data though [01:53] I don't trust Intel RST with my data. All the data goes on a separate HDD but RST has been working well for me for a year. [01:53] Do you guys have an opinion on this: http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ [01:53] Or this: https://github.com/facebook/flashcache [01:55] BTW thank you very much for your time, guys. [01:55] IveBeenBit, if you have it in writeback mode then you are trusting it with your data [01:57] IveBeenBit, i would certainly trust an in kernel software implementation more. neither are in the ubuntu kernels at this time. bcache may make it into mainline at some point [01:57] escott: so I should just watch the update notes and see if bcache is ever included? Then maybe switch? [01:58] IveBeenBit, well you can't "switch" [01:59] IveBeenBit: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/08/28/2112208/some-windows-apps-make-grub-2-unbootable [01:59] i am sure they are not doinr it on purpose ;) [02:02] OK Well then I will start over. So the plan is: 1) Put Windows on its own HDD & fakeraid it to the SSD 2) Put Ubuntu on its own disk - no RAID. Anything else I should know? [02:05] if you have any questions fek free to ask them here. You may not get an immediattte response but we do check thr channel regularly [02:06] Thank you guys for the help! Let's see how this goes! [02:07] IveBeenBit: You can also ping our team members in #ubuntu-beginners-team . That is where we chit chat and take care of team business [02:07] IveBeenBit: best of luck! [02:07] what is the proper etiquette to do that so I'm not being intrusive? [02:08] just ask if dsomeone can herlp with issue X in #ubuntu-beginners [02:09] Good deal. Thank again. I'm Audi! [02:09] IveBeenBit: you can also join the the Neginners Team we are always looking for new members :) [02:10] currently the ter=am is open. The only prerequisite is that you want to help the community domehow [02:10] I will do it if I can ever get this marvelous OS to work on my computer! [02:11] hopefully se can help you do that [02:11] IveBeenBit: i will send you a PM w/ my email [02:12] OK nice. PM received === histo1 is now known as histo === bgs101 is now known as bgs100 === SteveRiley_ is now known as SteveRiley === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Guest93124 is now known as ryan1975 [20:24] Good day. I am looking for help understanding a piece of hardware on my Ubuntu desktop. [20:24] Am I in the right place? [20:26] I have a Planar touchscreen. The touch pointing device was working for a while, but it has stopped working. [20:32] how do I test it for a hardware issue? [20:38] could be complicated [20:38] you'd have to go to a supported operating system and driver [20:41] Someone else seems to have gotten the hardware working here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2082116&highlight=Planar+touchscreen [20:42] well, you had the hardware working, correct? [20:42] I had too, but now it is not working, and I do not know enough to troubleshoot HW vs. software. [20:42] i dont think its an issue of "can it work" [20:42] to troubleshoot the hardware, id want to have another one, and just swap it out [20:42] No. It is not an issue of can it work. I am trying to use "how it works" to determine why it stopped working. [20:42] have one working, and swap in the questionable one [20:43] OR, you'll need to go to what is supported [20:43] ryan1975: i disagree [20:43] ryan1975: if it was working, then it *can* work [20:43] its not working now, and you dont know why, and you are (and rightly so) trying to determine if its bad hardware [20:44] Yes. I agree that it can work. I wonder if I did something to the software to make it stop working. [20:44] the answer is not one you want to hear though, since it likely envolves installing a supported operating system [20:44] For example, I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10. [20:44] one the manufacturer supportes [20:44] ryan1975: try a 12.04 live CD [20:44] Hmm...I could try that. [20:44] if it worked in 12.04, it'll work with the 12.04 live CD, and you can decide what to do about it from there [20:46] Fair enough. If it does not work with the live CD. Test it on a Win7 laptop. [20:46] ? [20:47] ryan1975: if it doesnt work, i dont feel like you can assume the hardware is broken [20:47] The hardware is designed for Win7 according to the manufacturer. [20:47] Agreed. [20:48] Do you have a different recommendation if it does not work from a 12.04 Live CD? [20:49] I'm trying to come up with a list of things to try rather than a single task Do loop. [20:49] ryan1975: it'll be literally whatever you feel comfortable with based on what the manufacturer expects [20:50] what would i want? 2 devices.. one working.. swap in the broken one.. on whatever operating system [20:50] I understand. [20:51] Do you have a suggestion for tracking down potential software solutions? [20:51] The device shows up in lsusb as "Quanta Optical Touch Screen" under 12.10. [20:51] It did the same in 12.04 when it worked. [20:53] i usually try live CD's til something works, then i'll just search around.. searching "ubuntu" and "linux".. searching broad as possible [20:54] Thank you for your help. I'll go see what I can find. [23:18] I am having problems installing Ubuntu in a dual boot with Windows 7. The partition editor does not recognize any of my hard drives, and then the installer crashes.