IveBeenBitI am having problems installing Ubuntu in a dual boot with Windows 7. The partition editor does not recognize any of my hard drives, and then the installer crashes.00:03
IveBeenBitHi, tronix00:10
IveBeenBitwell I run the installer. This is 12.10. And it gets to what I guess is called the advanced partition editor, where it is supposed to list all the drives attached so I can partition them00:13
IveBeenBitBut it does not show any of my drives00:13
tronnixgimme a quick rundown on what hardware and hardrives you're using, please, before we get too far00:14
IveBeenBitthen if I start clicking buttons the installer crashes00:14
IveBeenBitSays Ubiquity crashed or something? OK, hardware:00:14
tronnixI am assuming you're trying to install Ubuntu 12.10 from a DVD you've burned yourself?00:15
IveBeenBitLive USB that I downloaded. I even checked the md5 signature to make sure it wasn't corrupted00:15
tronnixI would boot up from the DVD and do a 'check media/check disc' before you continue any further00:16
IveBeenBitI had problems before with Ubuntu because I had all these fake RAID hard drive arrays. So I got another hard drive that is not in any part of a RAID array that I want to give the whole thing to Ubuntu00:16
tronnixfake RAID arrays?00:16
IveBeenBityeah - RAID through the bios / motherboard whatever00:17
tronnixdid you use unetbootin or something to make the live USB?00:17
IveBeenBitI think it was unetbootin. Hang on I can verify00:17
tronnixwhat mobo/chipset are you using? and what kind of h00:17
tronnixHDD set-up do you have configured?00:17
IveBeenBitmotherboard is gigabyte ga-z68XP-UD3. Z68 chipset. The drive I want to put Ubuntu on is on a Marvell chipset, a different one than the RAID array. I'm not sure if it makes a difference00:19
IveBeenBitFunny thing is, from the live USB I can browse all the drives no problem00:19
IveBeenBitHard drives now are like this:00:19
IveBeenBit1 320 GB + a 64GB SSD, which is used as a Windows chache drive. Those run through the Z68 or something. It's some hot shit idea that Intel came out with.00:20
IveBeenBit1 more 500 GB HDD that is on the other controller that is where I want to put Ubuntu00:21
tronnixyeah, the 64GB SSD is bvasically used with the 320GB to 'create' a hybrid HDD00:21
IveBeenBitYeah exactly.00:21
tronnixso, you want to install Ubuntu on the 500GB HDD?00:22
IveBeenBitI would love to00:22
tronnixand, just so I know I have the right frame of reference, when you completely boot up off the Live CD, you can see the drives just fine, but when you boot-up */into/* the installer, you can't see any of your drives?00:23
IveBeenBiteven the 320 GB in the fake raid array, I can go on there and look at files, load them up, etc.00:23
IveBeenBitsame with the 500 GB drive, which is actually formatted and has Windows on it00:24
IveBeenBitbut I want to erase it00:24
tronnixalrighty, to me, it sounds like whatever the driver is for your hardware/software RAID isn't being loaded up when it goes into the installer mode, but if you load it up completely as a live distro, the RAID driver is being loaded00:25
tronnixwhat windows are you running, and which drive is it on?00:25
tronnixand what are the drive speeds for the 320 and 500 GB?00:26
IveBeenBitWindows is on the 320 + 500 GB drive. I tried to throw out the 320 GB drive and run everything on the 500GB but some people in here told me it wouldn't work cuz of the RAID and I would have to segregate them00:26
IveBeenBitdrive speeds? I think both are 7200 RPM. Is that what you mean?00:26
tronnixis your windows partition cloned, or something? you have an identical backup?00:27
tronnixthat's close enough00:27
IveBeenBitSo the 500 GB still has Windows on it, but only cuz I didn't get around te erasing it yet00:27
IveBeenBitThe Windows installo I just did from the Installation DVD. No cloning.00:27
tronnixWould you happen to be able to find out the throughput of the drives? or know them off hand?00:27
tronnixhow much data do you have on the windows side that needs to be saved?00:28
IveBeenBitHmmm. the 320 GB is SATA 2.0 and 500GB is SATA 3.00:28
IveBeenBitNothing needs saved. I have backups on drives that are not attached.00:28
tronnixand I'm assuming that you have them connected to the appropriate ports on your mobo for maximum throughput?00:28
tronnixdo you know the partitioning format of the backup drives? FAT32 or NTFS?00:29
IveBeenBitI figure once I have the system running reliably I can put the data back.00:29
tronnixsoemthing like that00:29
IveBeenBitNTFS but it's not hooked up to the computer now00:29
tronnixmy recommendation to you would be to create a partitioning structure something like this:00:30
tronnixuse the 64GB SSD as your primary OS drive, for the fastest boot time00:30
tronnixbasically, you would create two partitions on it, one for windows, and another for ubuntu/linux00:31
tronnixand then, I would use the 500GB SATA3 with a theoretical maximum of 6Gb/s throughput as my /home partition for linux, and as the 'home library' or whatever for winblows00:32
tronnixstill here00:32
tronnixdid you time-out?00:32
IveBeenBityup I'm listening00:32
allan_Thanks. I didn't see you whisper until a moment ago. lol00:33
allan_not used to irc00:33
allan_I was wondering how to go about installing the linux version of steam.00:33
tronnixivebeenbit, do you feel comfortable using the 64GB SSD as your priary HDD for your OS's?00:33
tronnixehhh, that isn't something I'd be familiar with. never used steam00:34
IveBeenBitso you basically want me to drop the RAID/SRT altogether, put the OSes on the SSD and then carve up the 500 GB drive with partitions for Windows and Ubuntu00:34
allan_I keep getting an error from the terminal saying something about administration temporarily unavailible.00:34
tronnixWell, I know that the drive is certainly big enough for almost anything you'd want or need out of a linux box, and could leave enough room for a windows install, i would imagine, even with all of its bloat00:35
tronnixthat's a new terminal error for me; are you using the 'sudo' ommand?00:35
IveBeenBitI think the clean Windows install was 20 GB roughly.00:36
tronnixDamn, that's huge00:36
allan_yes, I am.00:36
tronnixcan you find/paste the error message exactly, please; alan_?00:36
IveBeenBitI just checked...it's about 30GB for just Windows, give or take a gig00:37
allan_uh, I can try. I'll have to look at the command I was using again.00:37
tronnixholy hell00:37
tronnixi'll be here00:37
tronnixin that case, I would probably use a 16-24 GB partition for Ubuntu, which is plenty big for plenty of prgram expansion00:38
IveBeenBitallan_: if you're in the terminal still, just keep hitting the up arrow until you see the command00:38
tronnixand then you could use the other 40-48 GB on the SSD for Windoze00:38
tronnixwould that be enough for the programs you normally install?00:39
IveBeenBitI think so.00:39
allan_wget http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb and then sudo apt-get install gdebi-core00:39
allan_that was the commands00:39
tronnixif it isn't, you could probably drop ubuntu's partition size down to 12GB, but I wouldn't want to go any smaller than that00:40
allan_but it wont show me the error00:40
tronnixallan_  what was the error message? your commands are correct00:40
tronnixtry runnig them again00:40
allan_ok, when I ran it again it spat out a ton of stuff. last line of it is setting up gdebi-core00:41
tronnixsounds like it's working, then00:41
allan_wtf lol00:41
allan_now how would I find the program itself...00:42
tronnixIveBeenBit, I would figure out how you want to partition the 500GB drive, if you'd want to use two 250GB partitions, so you have independent data files, or whether you'd want to create two smaller partitions, like 50GB or so, and partition the remaining 400GB with a FAT32 fs, and just keep all your downloads, movies, music on that, so your single copies woulc be available to both OS's from the same drive00:44
tronnixallan_ click on the ubuntu symbol in the top left toolbar, and type in 'steam'00:44
allan_I did but it only shows the steam.deb package00:44
tronnixhmmm, would the name of the program be something different, ;like 'play games online' or something?00:45
tronnixor do you see a reboot notification in your system tray at the top right?00:45
IveBeenBittronnix: Well, I have some 2TB drives where I keep the downloads, movies and music00:46
allan_and whenever I try to go and install through the software store, it stays invalid arcitechture but I am using the linux version00:46
tronnixexternal HDD's or on a NAS unit? are they USB or ESATA or something like that?00:46
IveBeenBitInternal, SATA 300:46
tronnixhow full are they?00:47
IveBeenBitnot very. of the 2 TB, maybe 800GB, tops, is used already00:47
IveBeenBitthey are duplicates...they were RAID mirroring before I took everything apart.00:48
tronnixthe reason I ask is because Linux does not officially support NTFS; but there are NTFS toolkits you can install from software-manager or synaptic, but they are alpha releases at best. NTFS support in linux is considered 'experimental' at best00:48
IveBeenBitOK so I will have to make all my drives FAT32?00:49
tronnixMy suggestion is to run your OS's off of the SSD for maximum speed, and to include a SATA3 partition as a part of your install and use it for your /home directory00:49
allan_i've also tried the commands sudo dpkg -i steam.deb00:50
allan_ and first typing sudo apt-get install -f00:50
allan_ and sudo gdebi steam.deb00:50
tronnixWindoze can't read anything off a linux-formatted parittion, though I think there may be some utilities available that can help00:50
tronnixallan_ without a print-out of the error, I am afraid I can't really help you; though you might try looking around in #ubuntu or another channel for another linux gamer - they'd know more about it00:52
IveBeenBitAlright. I have been at this for four days. I just want to get it over with. LOL00:52
IveBeenBitthis Linux stuff better be worth it00:52
tronnixFAT32 partitions are easily read by any OS, so if you use FAT32 for your data storage, you should be able to get at it from any OS you use, the downside is the files are slightly easier to break/fragemtn/etc00:53
tronnixI think it is, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder00:53
IveBeenBitis fat32 the one that limits the file size to 4GB or somethig?00:54
tronnixI would use an ext4 formatted partition for ubuntu's 'root' ( " / ") directory, and either ext3 or ext4 for the '/home' directory00:54
tronnixFAT32 has a 4GB file-size limit00:54
tronnixthe advantages of ext4 over ext3 is slightly bettter journaling capabilities, and a slightly increased access time, but you probably wouldn't be able to see it over anything less than an insanely huge networked database.....00:55
tronnixbut one advantage of ext3 over ext4 is that more OS's support/can read/write to ext3, like OS X or a recovery ISO on a thumbdrive00:56
tronnixyou can't really put your /home directory on a FAT32 parition because you'll get errors with your configuration files00:57
tronnixotherwise that's what I'd suggest00:57
IveBeenBitholy shit this is complicated. LOL.00:57
IveBeenBitbefore I do all this...00:57
IveBeenBitcan you suggest anything to get this working right now with the setup I already have? Which is 500GB just for Linux + 320/64SSD for Windows? Gparted does see all my drives. It's just the install program that doesnt00:59
IveBeenBitCuz I have seriously installed Windows about 8 times the past few days and ripped it all apart and started over00:59
tronnixone thing you */could/* do though after you've completed your install is to maintain your normal /home directory, and create pointers or links to folders on other drives/partitions for some of your sub-folders. Like your 'Movies' folder in your Ubuntu /home directory can be pointed to a video folder on say, your 2TB drive, so it creaes some illusion of transparency from the operator's perspective00:59
tronnixfor something like that, I would suggest running the live distro, and then trying to install to the 500GB HDD from inside the live distro, rather than trying to install from the boot-loaded installer program01:01
IveBeenBitI thought that was what I was doing?01:01
IveBeenBitI have the live USB running right now01:01
tronnixI know that you want it done now; I am just trying to suggest what I feel may be better for you in the lonager-run01:02
tronnixand its installer isn't working for you?01:02
IveBeenBityou are right. I'm getting impatient.01:02
IveBeenBitI put this much into it...may as well go the extra foot01:02
IveBeenBitWill you be around for a minute? I want to think this over, take some notes and may have some questions.01:03
tronnixbasically, what I am suggesting would be start-finish like this: you turn on your PC and you go /extremely/ quickly into the GRUB2 boot-menu, with one of your OS's listed as the default to boot to after a 10sec countdown01:03
tronnixi will be here01:04
IveBeenBitTHANKS for your time!!01:04
tronnixcontinuing on with an ex[erience description; when you boot into the Ubuntu OS, you'd have everything function as normal, like it's installed on one HDD, even though it would actually be incorporated over two drives01:05
tronnixyou'd click your home directory, which has all of the configuration files for the programs you run as your user, and sub-folders for movies, music, etc.... which could actually point/be linked to your folders on other HDD's, so any changes you make is saved to the original files, and those changes would be there when you're looking at it form the windows side01:07
tronnixI'm just trying to make sure that you're going to have the best experience with this overall01:07
tronnixit's a little bit more complicated to setup, but it IS worth it01:07
IveBeenBitif the Ubuntu portion of the SSD gets full, can we link over to an "overflow" partiton on another drive?01:08
tronnixI dual-boot Ubuntu Studio and Slackware; and I actually share my /home partition between the two Os's01:08
IveBeenBitBecause any applications I install on Ubuntu will get put on the SSD, yes?01:08
escottIveBeenBit, not easily01:08
IveBeenBitescott: nothing is easy LOL01:09
tronnixyes, the complete ubuntu install is ~8.5 GB, itself, and though I do lots of media editing, my OS doesn't really get much past 12 GB.01:09
escottIveBeenBit, you can take individual paths and put them on the other disk. for instance /var or /usr/share/games but you can't put /usr on the other disk and you cannot selectively put things in /usr/bin or /usr/lib on the other disk01:10
tronnixIveBeenBit, what you're talking about is soething that could easily be accomplished by using LVM, which is another sort of a pseudo-RAID contraption, but it would drastically complicate your install, make recovery via some rescue distro nigh impossible, and I haven't the foggiest idea how it affect windoze01:11
tronnixwhich is what I've been advising for you01:11
tronnix'/var' is a directory that has the capability to be a disk hog, and is something that you could relocate to another partition, and I always try to keep /home on it's own parition01:12
escotttronnix, IveBeenBit windows won't care about linux lvm or mdadm techniques because they dont mess with the hardware layout and are all below the partition level. the problem with fakeraid windows raid is that it is above the partition table at the device level01:12
IveBeenBitOK do you guys have google accounts? I'm making a spreadsheet to layout the disks and partitions so I know what to do even if you're gone01:14
tronnixyou can use sonicerotica to find me, I should be up in a little bit, and/or xxjanuslixx onAIM & yahoo01:15
tronnixThe more I've been thinking about this, IveBeenBit, the more I suggest to limit your ubuntu partition to 16GB. it's large enough for almost anything you'd like to do, and leaves enough room for your windoze01:16
tronnixI would make something like a 20 Gb partition and an 80 GB partition on your 500 GB SATA3, and then use those for additional directories when you install ubuntu.01:17
tronnixuse the 80GB as your /home dir, and you could use the 20 GB for your /usr/local directory01:18
tronnixplease pay attention when doing this through the installer, because these 3 partitions will be loaded up as ubuntu is booting the computer01:19
tronnixto you, it will be damn near invisible in the file-browser01:19
tronnixbut you will have all the storage you need for a long-term linux installation01:19
tronnixI would use the other 400GB of the SATA3 for a FAT32 partition for storage that's viewable, writeable, and executable by both windows and linux.01:20
escotttronnix, fat32 should not be executable by linux thats an insecure configuration01:21
tronnixadditionally, one of the first things I would do after completion of your ubuntu installation would be to locate the NTFS toolkits in software-center or synaptic and install them, though they're alpha/experimental at best01:22
IveBeenBitWhy is is that I can browse my NTFS disks with the live USB already?01:22
tronnixI've executed downloads from a FAT partition in Slackware 13.37. It isn't advised, but it is nevertheless possible01:23
tronnixI would imagine that they're included on live distros as most live-distro users would be runing them from a windows box. It would make sense to include them01:23
IveBeenBitAlso I have the 2TB drive for storage of data. My thinking was having the data on a separate drive would make backups really easy and I could just format my OS and reinstall anytime I want01:23
tronnixthat's exactly the purpose for having a seperate partition for your /home,01:24
IveBeenBitlike before I started this project, I just copied everything and didn't need to mess with combing through folders and all that01:24
IveBeenBitOK I see01:25
tronnixI've done similar things myself too many times to count, and I am very familiar with the kind of mess it can create. I still have about 1250 GB on my RAID server to sort through from the fiasco of my MacBook Pro dying01:25
tronnixI reinstalled it something like 6 times, with a seperate backup each time, and now my RAID server is something like half-full, though I know that most of that is really just duplicated items01:26
tronnixI've aso lost over a decade of material from not managing backups properly01:27
tronnixIveBeenBit, I am also thinking of making your data/long-term storage a bit more simple than it could be01:27
IveBeenBittronnix check your msg01:28
tronnixbasically, you have dedicatedd drives for your storage, and they're functional from any OS you use01:28
IveBeenBitOK Well I should save this chat so I can refer back to it01:31
IveBeenBitit's a lot to remember01:31
tronnixhow much RAM do you have?01:32
IveBeenBitI forget. How can I check from Ubuntu?01:32
IveBeenBit8 or 16 GB one of thos01:33
tronnixI wouldn't bother with a swap, in that case01:33
tronnixwith 8GB it's a small stretch, but w/o a doubt doable, and unquestioningly so with a 16GB RAM syste,01:34
escotti disagree. i always put swap01:34
IveBeenBitswap is for like virtual memory?01:34
tronnixThe only reason I maintain a swap drive with 8GB of RAM on my laptop is because I do audio editing, and some plugins can really use up memory01:35
tronnixswap = Windows virtual memory01:35
escottswap is disk backing for when memory usage exceeds physical ram01:35
IveBeenBitRight. I thought it was used for putting the computer in suspend also01:35
IveBeenBithow do I check my RAM in Ubuntu01:36
tronnixI have a memory monitor applet on my window manager, and even when editing media, I never touch swap space with 8 GB of RAM01:36
tronnixthere should be a hwinfo program; if not, sudo apt-get install hwinfo01:37
escottIveBeenBit, free -h01:38
tronnixif you have 16GB of RAM, I wouldn't worry about setting up swap on linux until programs start to use more system resources01:38
tronnixescott is correct in that almost every system has a swap partition, it is considered standard for every and any install of linux, but it is somewhat optional on higher-end systems if you're trying to accomplish something fancy01:40
IveBeenBitOK I have 8 GB01:41
escotttronnix, and im disagreeing with you01:41
IveBeenBitWell I have HDD space to burn, so I can afford a swap, even if it's rarely used01:41
escottin the end it depends on IveBeenBit's workload and how much he values the 8-16GB of disk he would need to have a swap disk01:42
IveBeenBitI will never miss that much hard drive space. Is the "standard" swap == the amount of RAM?01:43
tronnixI've been strongly suggesting that he repartition and reformat a 64 GB SSD HDD to use as /dev/sda for dual-booting ubuntu and windows01:43
IveBeenBitCan't I put the swap on the 500GB HDD?01:44
tronnixSwap space is ALWAYS set to match the amount of RAM in your system, except for very rare circustances01:44
tronnixyou could01:44
IveBeenBitOn the SSD it would get cramped, yes01:44
tronnixI have made soem suggestions via google dox for you01:44
IveBeenBitif it's on the HDD that's no problem01:44
tronnixa SATA3 drive as swap should give you the most minimal bump to performance possible01:45
tronnixFollowing these suggestions will make installation slightly more complicated, but will make using your system easier, a bit less worry-free, and should maximize cross-compatibility of your data files/music/movies/porn/etc/etc01:48
tronnixIveBeenBit: post-installation, I would explore some of the structure of linux operating systems to better understand what's going on under the hood, and to get a better grasp of how truly incredble linux is as an OS. You can run an ubuntu core, and change up your window-manager for a completely differnt experience without having to reinstall an OS01:51
escottIveBeenBit, swap on the SSD will if ever used shorten the SSD life. the disk is the best place for swap01:51
IveBeenBitRight. I will put it on the normal HDD01:53
tronnixAs an example, you can install gnome-session to use as your WM, which has a differnt feel than Ubuntu's default WM, Unity. You can use KDE for a more windows-like feel, with insane customizeability, or something like XFCE for a very light-weight WM, which would give you a blazingly fast user-experience01:53
IveBeenBitI'm typing you on Linux Mint XDE right now. It's an old netbook that ran really slow with Windows 701:54
IveBeenBitBut I have not really messed with it much to be honest01:54
tronnixFYI, I've run an up-to-date linux operating system on my Pentium-4 Desktop with 1Gb of RDRAM for audio editing01:54
tronnixI simply mimized my installed packages of my OS, and used a lightweight WM instead of one bloated, bulky one with all the bellss and whistles01:55
tronnixalthough on the P4, I did use a 2-4GB swap partition because some of the editing programs used some heavy-hitting plugins01:56
IveBeenBitYeah I think it's cool. I have a buddy that takes donated old computers and puts them together with old/worthless parts and then gives them to poor kids in the neighborhood. He uses the lightweight linux distros for thos systems01:57
tronnixTBH, I believe the best way to go about your setup would be to get everythign partitioned the way you want it right now using gparted on the live distro; install windows on it's designated partition of the SSD, and then get Ubuntu installed. GRUB2 should automagically detect and set itself up to dual-boot your windows OS and your Ubuntu OS without any major configuration from you, though you may wish to dive into that at a 02:14
BookPageis running 'env bash' basically the same as running /bin/bash ?03:30
escotttake that back, yes in some sense.03:33
escott"bash" is the same as "/bin/bash"03:33
escottand you arent doing anything with "env"03:34
BookPageright, but basically /bin/bash starts a new bash environment (as a child process?) and /usr/bin/env does?03:35
escottBookPage, env is intended to modify the environment by dropping variables03:36
escottbash can drop the environment and create a new one or use the existing or just add stuff03:36
escottsee the info page for bash regarding --login03:37
BookPageOooh, I get it now. Right, it has nothing to do with the new shell except for if you want to modify the environment *before* you run a given command from the current env03:37
BookPageI think that sentence lost sense at some point... But yeah, thankyou escott!03:38
geirhaBookPage: env will look for bash in PATH08:04
Dan1987Hi all, Ive just done an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 through the update-manager. All went well during upgrade but on first log-in i have no Unity Desktop. All i have is the background. Any advice on what i can do? Cheers10:31
tsimpsonDan1987: you'll probably have better luck asking in #ubuntu10:32
Dan1987Ok will do. Thanks tsimpson10:34
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BookPagehow come after I usermod -a -G newgroup myuser and then `id` I don't see the new group, even though it appended me to the group in /etc/group12:33
tsimpsonBookPage: it's applied at login, so you need to logout and back in (or just login again)12:50
BookPageoh thanks12:51
r4yI am lost, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 and I can't get online videos to play. I tried chrome but how where do I get pepper from?, or should I use flash?, I tried flash to no avail, but perhaps I missed something16:33
r4yI thought this was a Ubuntu 10.04 issue, but  I didn't remember reading that flash dropped support16:34
r4yI need shut eye, so I will leave this open so I can read what anyone has to say to help me out, thank you and sorry16:36
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IveBeenBitI am trying to copy a file in the Ubuntu GUI, but don't have permission to copy into that directory. Can anyone tell me the equivalent of "sudo" in the GUI?23:29
escottIveBeenBit, its better practice to drop to a terminal and do the copy there23:32
escott!gksudo | IveBeenBit23:32
ubot2IveBeenBit: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)23:32
IveBeenBitGreat, escott! Thanks for the link. I will read it before doing anything.23:33
escottIveBeenBit, theoretically you could run something like nautilus with root privs but its a bad bad bad idea23:33
escottnaut does a lot of things and likes to spawn a lot of background processes23:34
escottit would be very easy to forget to close those when you are done with the "sudo" activities23:34
escottand then you could break things by accident.23:34
escottbest practice is to open a terminal, and sudo cp /path/to/file /path/to/destination23:35
escott(on top of which you need to chown that file afterwards which is easier in terminal than in naut)23:35
IveBeenBitI see. The last thing I need is to start breaking stuff again. I finally got my Ubuntu system installed and running. You want to know why the installer didn't see my hard drives?23:35
escottsudo chown root:root /path/to/destination/file23:35
escottIveBeenBit, i assume it was related to your intel raid ssd stuff23:36
IveBeenBitRelated, yes...the drive I wanted to install to was part of a RAID array in the past, but I had taken it out of the RAID so I could put Ubuntu on it. Even though I deleted the array it left some shit on the hard drive that makes it so the installer didn't see the drive.23:37
IveBeenBitI had to type dmraid -E -r /dev/sdd then it worked perfectly23:37
IveBeenBitIn case anyone comes around here with the same question, now you know. ;-)23:38
IveBeenBit4 solid days of frustration solved with that command. Ha!23:38
IveBeenBitOK that link you sent doesn't say why gksudo is any better, just says to use it. But I get it...you're asking for trouble to mess around with root privileges in Unity. I'll use the command line.23:41
escottIveBeenBit, it does mention why23:42
escottThere are other times, though, when side effects can be as mild as Firefox extensions not sticking or as extreme as as not being able to log in any more because the permissions on your .ICEauthority changed. You can read a full discussion on the issue here.23:42
escottand various links in that sentence23:43
IveBeenBitI mean it doesn't tell you how gksudo is any different. It just says to use gksudo23:43
escotti dont know what all gksudo does but it does things to make sure that the gui applications dont mess with the users $HOME23:44
escotti think by copying ICEAuthority over to /root but i dont know for sure23:44
escottmy objections to root nautilus are additional objections beyond just gksudo23:44
IveBeenBitOK well thanks for the help. I will use the command line instead of drag and drop as root23:46
IveBeenBitWhile I got you here...a question about the man page when I type "man unzip." The synopsis says:23:49
IveBeenBitunzip  [-Z] [-cflptTuvz[abjnoqsCDKLMUVWX$/:^]] file[.zip] [file(s) ...]23:49
IveBeenBitwhat does the extra set of square brackets mean? In between z and a?23:49
escott~:>  unzip --help23:50
escottUnZip 6.00 of 20 April 2009, by Debian. Original by Info-ZIP.23:50
escottUsage: unzip [-Z] [-opts[modifiers]] file[.zip] [list] [-x xlist] [-d exdir]23:50
IveBeenBitso it separates the options from modifiers. One day I will learn the difference. Thanks.23:51
escottIveBeenBit, if you look at the modifiers it will make sense. modifiers only make sense in context with an option23:52
escottthe option is the main function, the modifier tweaks the behavior of the option23:52
escottso its like an option to the option23:52
IveBeenBitcool. that helps. I have been using Macs and Windows all my life so I have limited experience with CLI stuff23:54

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