[18:24] morning [19:20] morning [20:29] thumper: nice response to that that openchat email [20:29] ibeardslee: thanks, I tried to stay reasonable [20:29] morning [20:30] although I did have to laugh a bit about the bit where he said canonical could install a package to control your webcam and record you having sex to make porn movies for the amusement of canonical employees [20:30] I don't think any of us have time for that :) [20:30] where am I missing this entertaining mail? [20:30] ajmitch: nzoss-opencat [20:30] chat [20:30] windows 8 - a video something [20:30] turned into ubuntu bashing [20:30] sounds typical [20:32] I see the main person instigating that is a local [20:33] yep [20:33] you should sit down & have a chat with him after codecraft some time, it could be entertaining :) [20:34] yeah... or I might just end up getting angry [20:34] probably [20:36] just reading your reply now [20:44] morning [20:56] hi mwhudson [21:17] mwhudson: sorry [21:17] lifeless: np [21:18] lifeless: i shouldn't reply to fb when cranky in the morning because a baby isn't sleeping [21:18] mwhudson: that will be a while then :) [21:19] heh [21:20] lifeless: although right after i posted that, she went so sleep for so long that i was late into the office this morning so... [21:45] it seems unlikely you could record *any* very useful video by turning on people's webcams [21:46] you'd get a lot of footage of people staring at screens [21:46] perhaps it'd work for a porn website for people turned on by ceilings [21:46] or nose picking [21:57] olly: heh [22:09] thumper: ok, I see now that I should not read my dunlug email [22:09] :) [22:10] I unsubscribed from dunlug after the last lot of unty bashing [22:10] monday morning & I want a stiff drink [22:10] and I'm not a fan of a number of recent changes, but still... [22:10] mwhudson: :) [22:19] olly: i was drinking coffee when i read that dammit [22:22] there are a number of people with gripes about unity, on the whole it does the job for me. And certainly the 'how dare someone monetise their work' comments are a bit arse. As are the "I'll go to distro $x" and Distro $x is built on Ubuntu [22:23] who was it who made the "that's it! i'm switching to arch" t-shirts? [22:26] ibeardslee: but it's ubuntu without the evil bit set that they're moving to [22:32] mwhudson: we should so get some of those printed [22:33] i think it was a bit of an omg ubuntu meme for a while [22:33] is omg ubuntu still a thing? [22:34] it seems to not have dns currently [22:35] ;; ANSWER SECTION: [22:35] origin.omgubuntu.co.uk. 29 IN CNAME origin.omgubuntu.co.uk. [22:35] UM [22:38] I'm not seeing a CNAME [22:39] just an A record also with a 30 sec TTL [22:40] yeah, it works now [23:00] i think unity has suffered from being pushed into prime time too early [23:00] people form an impression from when they first use something, and that tends to stick around [23:02] it's a difficult choice, because pushing things out to the masses helps get a lot of people bashing away at them and shaking out issues [23:02] it might have worked out better to have it available but not the default desktop for a couple of releases, but that's in the past now [23:03] it is for unity, though it's something to think about whether one can learn from [23:03] by the time precise rolled round unity was fairly usable, or people had learned to put up with it :) [23:03] how's wayland going heh heh [23:05] it'll be ready any day now [23:07] I have an answer to that, but I'm not allowed to say :) [23:09] whatever it is, people will complain [23:10] I think that's one thing we can be sure about :) [23:11] on the whole people don't like change [23:11] that's what you need to change [23:12] ibeardslee: but they don't like the current situation either! [23:12] so you have to change just the things _they_ care about [23:12] but everyone cares about different things [23:13] on the whole, people like to complain [23:13] +1 insightful [23:15] mwhudson: the current situation is a change ;) [23:15] but I think ajmitch does nail it [23:15] on the plus side, if they're complaining, they probably actually care [23:16] if you made a major change and there was no response, that'd not be a very good sign [23:18] this is true [23:20] some of the LCA tweets seem to be covering the same thing (Bdale's keynote) [23:21] https://twitter.com/henaredegan/status/295671279955099648 [23:21] * thumper is missing LCA [23:21] ajmitch: you are there? [23:22] no I'm not [23:22] although I think part of the difference is that "want it to work the way I used to use it" [23:22] * ibeardslee isn't there either [23:23] * mwhudson comes across a link to http://xkcd.com/178/, randomly [23:45] i'd click that link, but i'm not really into pokemon...