[03:03] bah [03:03] Riddell: seems like that FUSE patch in kde4libs causes alot of issues [03:03] see bug 313888 [03:03] bug 313888 in Tunnel Manager "tunnelrunner exit due to ssh kill is not detected" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313888 [03:04] erm [03:04] kde bug 313888 [03:04] KDE bug 313888 in general "Solid::Device( "/org/kde/fuse/run/vmblock-fuse" ).parent() returns same device, causing infinite loops in Amarok (ivan/* kdelibs branches)" [Major,Confirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313888 [04:15] Riddell: I've removed the patch and uploaded [06:32] morning all [06:45] hey jussi [06:46] highvoltage: good morning Mr Carter [07:43] hey jussi, highvoltage [07:43] ssup [07:44] good morning shadeslayer [07:44] * jussi notes highvoltage went to bed [07:45] heh [07:50] wtf [07:51] vlc is just skipping over 80% of the song [07:51] so is amarok [07:59] as does ... chrome O_O [08:08] shadeslayer: ahh I remember something like that in the past... on amarok [08:09] I think that file is corrupted [08:09] well that would explain it... [08:09] lol [08:10] yeah, playing other files works [08:11] iirc, it was playing files over networks last time that was the iddue [08:12] you know you are tired when this happens... [08:12] jussi@Albatross:~$ sudo apt-get upday [08:12] [sudo] password for jussi: [08:14] :D [08:14] jussi: how's elodi? [08:14] shadeslayer: doing well, turned 1 the other week [08:15] oh ... Belated happy birthday to her! [08:15] :D [08:35] good morning [08:40] hi soee [09:10] problem with mtp on 13.04 [09:10] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/28/plasma-desktopc29846.png [09:10] and it doesn't find the package [09:11] samba still doesn't work ... [09:43] btw [09:43] does it make sense to add a page to the installer asking the user to choose a browser? [09:44] Peace-: what pops that question? [09:47] shadeslayer: that would need a short pro/con list integrated so people can actually make an educated choice [09:48] why? I'd say that list rekonq/chromium/firefox [09:48] most people would know about those [09:48] if they don't, stick with the default [09:48] ( which will be rekonq ) [09:50] as microsoft got forced to add a browser choice I guess it's fair to have one [09:50] question is where to put it [09:50] after the page where we ask if the user wants to install codecs [09:50] the only customization currently is the third-party checkbox at the beginning [09:50] right [09:50] we add 3 huge icons [09:50] because people like huge icons [09:50] hm, true. Needs to be before the installation start, which is after partitioning === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:51] right [09:51] it also needs to check if the user is connected to the network [09:51] which brings us to [09:51] wifi support in the installer [09:52] * shadeslayer is checking out ubiquity to check how difficult this is going to be [09:52] wasn't that only hanging on insufficient developer time? [09:52] then there's also the webcam stuff that the gtk ui of ubiquity has [09:52] yofel: dunno, but I'm compiling a list of features I want to work on next month [09:52] what for? user logo? [09:52] yep [09:53] gtk - has wifi page. The base controller is network aware and can tell plugins/pages whether or not there are internetz. [09:53] seems fairly trivial [09:53] ( just from reading the webcam plugin ) [09:53] xnox: cool :) [09:53] xnox: I'm going to need all the help I can get to implement this :P [09:53] yofel: I'm also thinking of doing this in QML xD [09:54] ack [09:54] that's the way to go with qt5 anyway [09:54] xnox: do you think that if I write a page to choose a browser, that's going to be accepted? [09:54] or would that go against some sort of design or sth [09:54] though porting ubiquity to qml is probably something for post-14.04 [09:55] *nod* [09:55] but I don't want to use .ui for new stuff [09:55] better to just write it in QML [09:56] sure, if the looks aren't too different, go ahead [09:56] shadeslayer: i am really confused why one would want to choose a browser, considering that we are not forced by law (yet) and it's a waste of space on the CD (majority will pick default/first and the other one will be removed by ubiquity at cleanup) [09:56] i just has to fit into ubiquity overall [09:56] yofel: right [09:56] xnox: oh I don't plan on including the browser on the CD [09:56] shadeslayer: my position here is that sort of thing should be done on first-login instead. [09:57] xnox: it's like the restricted codecs [09:57] you can tick off "I also want to install Firefox/Chromium" and we add that to the list of things to be installed [09:57] shadeslayer: it's nothing like resticted codecs (which we are not allowed on the CD). Unless you are trying to offer Chrome/Opera?! [09:58] xnox: I meant in terms of implementation [09:58] it *would* be like that [09:58] shadeslayer: out of scope, make the installation longer, confusing & technical. You are free to do it in the qt frontend =) [09:58] xnox: that's what I was asking about :P [09:58] but gtk frontend will not be having that ;-) [09:58] right [09:59] it's just that our users are asking for this [09:59] because our current default browser is not up to the mark [09:59] I wonder if we can switch to chromium by default [09:59] oh wait, not in line with our cycle [10:02] xnox: btw how do you test new stuff in ubiquity? [10:05] lubuntu uses chromium by default. [10:05] I see [10:06] * shadeslayer will ask lubuntu devs how their experience has been [10:06] shadeslayer: depends, usually I boot a VM into installer. stop lightdm, stop ubiquity, pkill -9 X, download/patch individual files, and start ubiquity again. [10:06] bah :P [10:06] sounds like alot of work [10:06] (where start is literal $ start/stop are literal) [10:07] it's safe. [10:07] okay [10:12] shadeslayer: how much does plasma active need that fuse patch? [10:12] I don't remember, I can't find the IRC logs I saved [10:13] I'll ask in #active again [10:15] Riddell: shadeslayer: pa3 will still work.. [10:19] good thing we added it earlier in the cycle rather than later .... [10:19] Riddell: btw I also have bodega packaging, but all of it needs descriptions and reviewing [10:20] I can't think up of a good description ... so haven't uploaded it anywhere [10:22] shadeslayer: that's the PA software shop thing? [10:22] yep [10:24] shadeslayer: there's your description :) [10:24] bodega : "PA software shop thing" [10:29] shadeslayer: i have a nexus tablet 7 and when i have installed kio-mpt i was able to browse nexus with usb cable [10:29] shadeslayer: after that i got that pop [10:30] wtf i have a different nick === sem_ is now known as Peace- [10:30] shadeslayer: ^ sem was me [10:30] righto [10:30] I see [10:31] Peace-: check if you have kio-mtp installed? [10:31] i have [10:31] if it is, then that shouldn't pop up [10:31] infact i can browse [10:31] but ...when i click on a video it says that i need mtp stuff [10:31] sounds like a bug in qapt? [10:31] so i searched like it says [10:31] 0.o [10:31] and it did not find the package [10:32] shadeslayer: i guess no [10:32] shadeslayer: cuz dragon player can't play file from nexus [10:32] instead vlc can [10:32] i guess that dragon player needs some package to play file from mtp devices [10:32] kind of [10:32] but i have even tried to install mtp-tools+ [10:32] and nothing is changed [10:33] Peace-: make sure you have the requisite gst plugins [10:33] gst-{good,bad,ugly} [10:33] Peace-: what's the video format? [10:33] i guess mov ? [10:33] h264 codec [10:33] for sure [10:34] ok shadeslayeri will try to investigate better [10:34] install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly [10:34] should work after that [10:39] shadeslayer: btw the idea to ask which browser user want install is good [10:48] rperier: new nick? [10:52] Riddell: yeah it's more professional ;) [10:53] shadeslayer: no it doesn't work http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/28/plasma-desktopa29846.png [10:54] wtf [10:55] shadeslayer: i have already installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-base [10:55] right [10:55] but it seems it suck ;D [10:55] yeah [10:55] something else is wrong [10:55] bah :D [10:55] shadeslayer: but with vlc works fine [10:56] dragonplayer again sucks [10:56] yeah pgst is buggy [10:56] Peace-: apachelogger probably has a better idea [10:56] shadeslayer: well there is not a problem shadeslayer i mean i use vlc [10:57] but at least you know that there is some problem about mtp and dragonplayer and qapt [10:57] right [10:57] it's not about mtp, it's some weird problem between dragon and pgst and qapt [10:57] ya [10:57] even samba has again a problem [10:58] i have tried samba on windows and nexus kuibunt can't use samba correctly [10:58] you mean kubuntu on the nexus can't access samba? [10:58] shadeslayer: look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5sW2Xr7f5Q [10:58] timeout on server [10:59] oh lord jesus [10:59] :D time to eat :D [10:59] bb [11:14] Are Qt packagers around? [11:14] Or should I talk to here or on #debian-* channels? [11:14] * xnox is after Qt5 and not duplicating packaging work [11:15] (there are now a couple of Qt5 PPAs and a Debian ITP and I just want Qt5 in the archive) [11:16] xnox: I think you should talk to fabo [11:16] yofel: thanks. [11:19] xnox: it's going to be uploaded to experimental (today on in the next couple of days) [11:19] xnox: packaging is done and up-to-date on git.debian.org [11:19] fabo: awesome! I've now searched for you around to realise it's you doing it everywhere ;-) [11:20] not me, we're a team ;) [11:20] fabo: any help needed? [11:20] there are the PPA(s) from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers too if you're impatient [11:20] xnox: at this point, not much. it has been well tested. we're pretty happy with the result [11:21] xnox: you'll need new qt4 packages to co-exist with qt5 [11:21] tsimpson: I'm impatient to stop using that repository & start pointing people to the archive =) [11:24] shadeslayer: mmm maybe samba is fixed on rarin [11:24] i just checked again [11:24] fabo: as far as I can see, once ready. You will be able to sync/upload it everywhere in Raring, won't you?! And then i can chase up Archive Admins to fast track new binary packages through ubuntu new queue. [11:25] Peace-: awesome [11:25] I'd rather not wait for Debian New Queue delay. [11:25] * shadeslayer rages at phonon + python being under documented [11:25] xnox: that's the plan [11:25] fabo: ;-) awesome. [11:34] i need to check better this story of samba [12:31] shadeslayer: hm? [12:31] Peace-: ^ [12:31] apachelogger: see http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/28/plasma-desktopa29846.png [12:32] apachelogger: Phonon has undocumented python bindings [12:32] ( separate issue ) [12:32] shadeslayer: I think it has two undocumented python bindings [12:32] one in pyqt and one in pykde [12:32] the pyqt ones are somehwat documented if lacking features [12:32] the pyKDE one is non-existent [12:33] apachelogger: btw. what's the status of kpythonpluginfactory in raring? or what's needed to get the kcm stuff working again? [12:33] took me an hour to figure this much out : http://paste.kde.org/658196/ [12:33] we're slowly nearing feature freeze and I would like to have it working before that so we can look for alternatives if needed [12:34] apachelogger: i was using my nexus 7 tablet and i have installed kio-mtp , i clicked on a video and dragon player was starting then i got http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/28/plasma-desktopa29846.png [12:34] apachelogger: and it did not find any package to install [12:34] apachelogger: so i open it with vlc and it worked without problems [12:34] apachelogger: btw shadeslayer has said to install gstremaer ugly betty and good ;D but i did already i t [12:35] oh [12:35] ohhhhh [12:35] Peace-: *maybe* kio-mtp/libmtp just doesn't support playing video files yet? [12:35] iirc previews didn't work either [12:36] shadeslayer: mm vlc worked ? [12:36] oh good point [12:36] Peace-: enotsupported [12:36] apachelogger: not supported on gst? [12:36] streaming from KIO is not supported in phonon [12:36] it works sometimes [12:36] it doesn't others [12:36] that is why it is not supported [12:36] ah [12:37] apachelogger: it's ok but ... why qapt asks to find stuff ? [12:37] because you are trying to stream from KIO [12:37] :D ok for me there is not problem dragon player is already removed [12:37] with vlc works fine [12:38] vlc does not use kio? [12:38] i dunno i clicked on dolphin open with vlc and it worked [12:38] it copies the file [12:38] yes, because vlc does not use kio! [12:39] ah [12:39] because vlc's desktop file is not shit [12:39] :D [12:39] because vlc is not shit [12:39] vlc rocks [12:39] I can't say the same for dragon :P [12:39] dragonplayer is not shit [12:39] never used [12:40] i mean untill today [12:40] then i even removed it :D [13:01] apachelogger: ping? [13:04] xnox: question, if I read this correctly, do I just add a PageKde class to ubiquity/plugins/ubi-webcam.py along with a ui file and it'll pop up in the installer? [13:05] shadeslayer: it should. You will need some webcamy widget (as for gtk we wrote our own using Gtk). [13:06] shadeslayer: also check if webcam makes sense at all. [13:06] on gtk side it sets the user account avatar to that picture. [13:06] I don't know if KDE has user account avatars or shows them to the user at all. [13:06] xnox: for the first, I wrote this very small program that does it : http://paste.kde.org/658238/ [13:06] As the alternative to webcam picutre one can choose one of the stock images. [13:06] and yes, we have lightdm kde which does show it [13:06] as well as the kicker [13:07] awesome. lightdm on the ubuntu side doesn't show pictures =/ [13:07] heh :) [13:07] that phonon snippet looks good =) [13:07] *nod* :P [13:09] xnox: the gtk implementation seems a bit ew [13:10] shadeslayer: i don't think at the time there was a webcam widget at all. [13:10] shadeslayer: do you know if there is one now? [13:10] we could port it.... [13:10] not that I know of, nope [13:10] sorry, I don't follow gtk development that closely :P [13:11] shadeslayer: note that a videoplayer is comprised of a videowidget and an audiooutput, I do not thin you'll need an audiooutput [13:11] oic [13:11] apachelogger: I don't think I'll be using the exact same code anyway [13:11] there is libcheese-gtk-dev, not sure if it has python bindings and/or available on the cd already. [13:12] I'll probably embed the videowidget [13:12] shadeslayer: yeah, just pointing it out ;) [13:12] into a ui file [13:12] :) [13:12] usb-creator with flashing nexus7 images just got uploaded into ubuntu. [13:12] i am not expecting for kde frontend to break, but i didn't test it. [13:13] and also i didn't add the UI to the kde frontend to have support for flashing nexus7 images. [13:13] actually it has some bugs that need to be looked at anyway [13:15] I just noticed that there's a newer version of rekonq 2.1. Will it reach quantal backports? Also Ktorrent is still at 4.2 in the official repos and 4.3.1 is already available. Any plans to backport it? [13:16] hmm, I really need to do an upstream health script [13:16] thanks petersaints, we'll get those done [13:16] tks RIdell [13:17] Riddell: is the python3 port of usb-creator-kde complete? [13:17] xnox: it's needing you to test it :) [13:17] * xnox , by accident, didn't upload it [13:18] xnox: you accidently didn't upload it? [13:18] correct =) [13:18] Riddell: well ./bin/usb-creator-kde shebang wasn't changed to python3, but now I am installing python3-pykde4 to test it. [13:18] thanks [13:20] Riddell: surprisingly the theming is nice. It almost looks like a GTK app. [13:21] I wonder if a few icons can be remapped to gtk icons and then the two would be like the same. [13:21] it's the Qt way [13:21] no unity integration in the doc, no icon, no progress =( [13:22] but i guess, usb-creator-kde doesn't care about that ;-) [13:24] xnox: no surprise there, Qt put in a lot of effort to making it integrate into gtk environments [13:24] shame the opposite doesn't happen [13:25] xnox: oh I see you're making changes for nexus7 is usb-creator, any UI in that? [13:25] i think it did at one point. [13:26] Riddell: the gtk frontend, checks for fastboot backend and then it does some changes to the UI: updates some strings, skips showing .iso (.img only), add legal text button & poop-up. And that's about it. [13:26] some pointless columns are hidden in the tree view. [13:27] there is an upstart job to poop-up usb-creator, when nexus7 is inserted. And currently that is shipped in the -gtk package, but can move into -common when kde frontend is ready as well. [13:28] heh [13:29] xnox: turns out the phonon gst backend we have in the archive cannot save snapshots :P [13:29] we need a new phonon gstreamer release [13:29] 8-) [13:30] nono [13:30] ? [13:30] what we need is someone to QA a new release so that I can make that happen [13:31] you have a new pgst release lined up? [13:31] doing the release is a no-brainer, getting it QAd is apparently a half a year task [13:31] lol [13:31] I have releases of both bakends lined up since dec 7 [13:31] I even asked kde-testing to do QA [13:31] no dice [13:31] give me the tars, I'll make a package and someone here can test [13:31] so here we are almost 2 months later, still no release in sight :P [13:32] shadeslayer: you saw my QA document :P [13:32] oh [13:32] shit [13:32] not that [13:32] before you do phonon q/a tell me what's needed to get python kcms working again - or where to look (i.e. KPPF or pykde) [13:32] * shadeslayer runs away [13:32] it is a requirement to build that crap from source and run like 300 test cases [13:32] yofel: tell me where my pykde source is [13:33] pull-lp-source pykde4 raring [13:33] though I think I have those on my other pc, so I won't get to them before this evening [13:33] yofel: I have a patch [13:33] gimme so I can Q/A that later [13:33] CANNOT DO [13:34] * yofel steals patches from fedora in the meanwhile [13:34] upstream it actually [13:34] Riddell: installed fine using python3 \0/ [13:35] that is actually why I lost it, I was looking for a way to contact upstream and then got distructed by something or someone [13:35] *distracted [13:35] trololo [13:35] that's what reviewboard is for? [13:35] no [13:35] reviewboard is for us to waste time [13:35] xnox: awooga, will you upload at some point or shall I? [13:35] because people are afraid of gerrit [13:36] just like bugzilla is for us to waste time [13:36] becasue people are afraid of jira [13:36] huh, why? [13:36] Riddell: i'll do it, now. [13:36] (jira) [13:36] Riddell: usb-creator - the most active upstream project of today! Two new releases in a single day =) [13:39] yofel: because it is not free sofware [13:40] xnox: does ubiquity simply copy the image to ~/.face ? [13:40] erm [13:40] ~/.face.icon [13:41] oh btw [13:41] kde uses .face [13:41] nope [13:41] dude [13:41] ~/.face.icon [13:41] Check it for yourself [13:42] who was using .face then? [13:42] gnome? [13:42] someone was using .face [13:42] .face is deprecated [13:42] shadeslayer: was that changed in .10 then? [13:42] iirc xdg specified ~/.face [13:42] nope [13:42] iirc ~/.face.icon has been there for a couple of releases now [13:42] before that, I didn't notice it [13:42] nono [13:42] see [13:42] as in, I didn't bother checking [13:43] the reason in quantal lightdm does not show the nice pictures [13:43] Hi folks [13:43] is because lightdm uses accountsservices or something which uses .face.icon [13:43] wheres all the kde stuff uses .face [13:43] hmm [13:43] well .. it's face.icon now [13:43] which is all that matters [13:43] all good then [13:43] hooray for standards [13:44] standards ftw [13:44] * xnox has no idea what it really does, nor have I tested that it still works. [13:44] heh [13:45] bbiab [14:03] you know, can someone make me something awesome... I want a pattern unlock as an option for my sudo password when it is used graphically (like the unlock pattern on an android phone...) [14:05] jussi: that'd require someone to know pam, which I think no one on the team does ;) [14:06] apachelogger: :( [14:50] shadeslayer: ping [14:50] pong [14:50] * jussi pms [14:51] you pms? === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro === ximion is now known as ximion-afk === ximion-afk is now known as ximion === jono is now known as Guest10241 === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk [16:49] rick_timmis: hello [16:49] rick_timmis: you're after a business card? [16:49] Mamarok: are you going to fosdem? [16:50] Riddell: no, unfortunately not [17:07] should we have kio-mtp installed by default? [17:08] shadeslayer: you packaged it ^^ [17:08] yes [17:08] Riddell: with one caveat [17:08] we need to upload a new libmtp9 with the updated device list before feature freeze [17:11] that's only in raring? [17:13] yeah [17:13] you can get it from the experimental ppa [17:14] for quantal ... I don't think I've updated the snapshot for precise [17:17] ah thanks [17:27] shadeslayer, yofel: any idea what phoenix_firebrd's e-mail is? [17:27] ah go it [17:27] heh :) [17:29]