| Bluefoxicy | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-puppet-devel/2013-January/007378.html | 00:07 |
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| Bluefoxicy | Hmm micah says "If we upload 3.0.2 to experimental would that be useful for Ubuntu?" | 00:07 |
| Bluefoxicy | TheLordOfTime: You here? | 00:08 |
| TheLordOfTime | Bluefoxicy, slightly distracted migrating 10GB of databases from MSSQL -> MySQL | 00:08 |
| TheLordOfTime | sup? | 00:08 |
| Bluefoxicy | Debian is still carrying an old Puppet in Sid because they're frozen for Lenny, but they have a newer 3.0 package in git and they have raised that they can upload newer packages to experimental without causing trouble with the feature freeze at Debian | 00:09 |
| Bluefoxicy | is any of this helpful to Ubuntu for pulling newer packages? ubuntu seems to inheret the package from Sid, which is well out of date. | 00:09 |
| TheLordOfTime | no offense for this really-evil statement, but why should I care? | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | ah | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | lag. | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | um... | 00:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | (in fact, was out of date when 12.10 was released, but 12.10 was in feature freeze) | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | last i checked... | 00:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | asking about general release cycle, inheritence from Debian, and politics :) | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | hmm... | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | !info puppet raring | 00:10 |
| ubottu | puppet (source: puppet): Centralized configuration management - agent startup and compatibility scripts. In component main, is optional. Version 2.7.18-1ubuntu1 (raring), package size 20 kB, installed size 110 kB | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | if it were in universe i'd say ask the MOTUs, i usually deal with universe thingies | 00:10 |
| TheLordOfTime | note: i'm not dev nor motu | 00:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | ah | 00:11 |
| Bluefoxicy | I thought you might know, nobody else seems to be around. | 00:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | well... | 00:11 |
| Bluefoxicy | and I am entirely peripheral and have no idea what I'm doing :D | 00:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | i know for UNIVERSE, you have to explicitly request a sync from Experimental | 00:11 |
| Bluefoxicy | I'm just trying to make other people do what I want :D | 00:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | but i dunno if that applies to main as well | 00:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | devs would know | 00:11 |
| Bluefoxicy | nod. I'll find out elsewhere then. | 00:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | yeah sorry i can't be of more help | 00:12 |
| Bluefoxicy | np | 00:12 |
| Bluefoxicy | I was just trying for a fast answer anyway | 00:12 |
| * TheLordOfTime checks something | 00:12 | |
| TheLordOfTime | Bluefoxicy, erm... | 00:13 |
| TheLordOfTime | if it were my call i'd say reject a sync request... its an RC that's in experimental: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/puppet | 00:13 |
| TheLordOfTime | but again i'm not MOTU, Dev, RElease Team, or otherwise | 00:13 |
| * TheLordOfTime has no say in the matter | 00:13 | |
| TheLordOfTime | but i tend to err on the side of caution so... :P | 00:13 |
| Bluefoxicy | TheLordOfTime: no, there's an RC in experimental | 00:14 |
| TheLordOfTime | that's what i said? | 00:14 |
| Bluefoxicy | but they're asking if pulling 3.0.2 into Debian experimental would help | 00:14 |
| TheLordOfTime | who's asking where? | 00:14 |
| Bluefoxicy | since I want 3.0.2 in Ubuntu, but Debian Sid carries 2.7.18, and Ubuntu typically syncs from Debian | 00:14 |
| TheLordOfTime | who's asking where about putting 3.0.2 from git to experimental? | 00:15 |
| Bluefoxicy | Who's asking => I actually pinged the debian devel list asking about getting Puppet 3.0.2 into Debian because they had 2.7.18 and I want Puppet 3 in Raring | 00:16 |
| Bluefoxicy | Getting 3.0.2 into Raring by telling the Ubuntu devs "there are packages in the Puppetlabs repo go get them" doesn't seem like a great strategy | 00:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | Bluefoxicy, i'd suggest that you start by getting them to put it into Experimental | 00:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | first. | 00:17 |
| Bluefoxicy | nod. | 00:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | before asking to see if it can get into Ubuntu Raring | 00:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... Y U SO EVIL MSSQLDB! | 00:17 |
| * TheLordOfTime goes to beat the migration software with a stick | 00:17 | |
| Bluefoxicy | That <Bluefoxicy> Hmm micah says "If we upload 3.0.2 to experimental would that be useful for Ubuntu?" | 00:17 |
| Bluefoxicy | was the question | 00:17 |
| Bluefoxicy | lol | 00:17 |
| Bluefoxicy | TheLordOfTime: I hear that everyone may be abandoning MySQL soon. | 00:17 |
| Bluefoxicy | Fedora might throw it out in 2013. It's been proposed with no objections. | 00:18 |
| Bluefoxicy | SuSE is considering it, but currently in feature freeze. Next version of OpenSuSE. | 00:18 |
| Bluefoxicy | Debian as well, but nothing's come of it--feature freeze. | 00:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | you should read your privmsgs | 00:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | and stop beating a dead horse from yesterday | 00:18 |
| Bluefoxicy | Forgot I said that yesterday | 00:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | you did | 00:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | i think it was in -devel or somewhere | 00:22 |
| * TheLordOfTime doesn't have logs though | 00:22 | |
| * TheLordOfTime yawns | 00:22 | |
| micahg | Ubuntu has been discussing that for a few cycles now, the biggest problem seems to be a clean migration path | 00:47 |
| micahg | well, that and the lack of a clear replacement | 00:47 |
| micahg | (excluding postgres :)) | 00:47 |
| Bluefoxicy | the discussion seems to be mainly aimed at MariaDB, which is just a mysql fork | 00:48 |
| Bluefoxicy | I've been using percona but they share source code | 00:48 |
| Bluefoxicy | MariaDB now has XtraDB from Percona for example. Percona doesn't yet have Maria Aria | 00:48 |
| micahg | precona, drizzle, mariadb, there's no clear leader...that's contributing to the stagnation of everyone else remaining on MySQL | 00:49 |
| Bluefoxicy | ah | 00:49 |
| Bluefoxicy | it's more of an issue of too many choices then :) | 00:49 |
| Bluefoxicy | Fedora seems to have decided on MariaDB, so has SuSE. My guess is that MariaDB being an open source project (like postgresql) and Percona being a product (like MySQL under MySQL AB and Oracle) is making MariaDB more attractive. | 00:50 |
| Bluefoxicy | Debian has discussed it a few times but it goes nowhere. Methinks they are too busy in feature freeze to bother with that. | 00:51 |
| Bluefoxicy | In any case it's happening and I'm trying to figure out when and which way. The problem is none of the actors seem to know at this point :| | 00:52 |
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| gnomefreak | anyone notice in Gnome3/Unity there is no working screensavers. It seems with the introduction with Gnome3 and Unity we lost a lot of things we can no longer customize a lot of things | 05:01 |
| gnomefreak | i thought one of linux gimmick was tha tyou can customize it to your liking | 05:03 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: I thought that gdm/lightdm were supposed to take over that function, I also thought that wasn't planned until GNOME 3.8 | 05:49 |
| bjsnider | screensavers are meaningless these days, so why maintain code that is meaningless | 05:51 |
| micahg | bjsnider: it's the screen lock component that I believe he's asking about (please correct if I'm wrong) | 05:55 |
| bjsnider | i thought he was talking about screensavers | 05:56 |
| bjsnider | he's been complaining about them for a couple of days | 05:56 |
| bjsnider | as in wanting a screensaver | 05:56 |
| micahg | he said screensaver, I interpreted lock, but that could just be my tiredness :) | 05:57 |
| bjsnider | lock works in gnome 3.6 i think | 05:57 |
| bjsnider | i have a lock option here | 05:57 |
| micahg | ah, well, in that case, I'd suggest XScreensaver :) | 05:58 |
| bjsnider | i'm using gdm/gnome-shell | 05:58 |
| bjsnider | micahg, can that still be shoehorned in? is that codebase still getting upstream work? | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: i havent found a way to do it yet.there isnt a dialog for screensavers, hell there are only likr 4 themes you can choose from | 06:03 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: xscreensaver is still maintained, it's just fighting with gnome that you'd have to worry about | 06:03 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, you did want a screensaver and not screen lock right? | 06:03 |
| gnomefreak | i have no way to set a screensaver. there is no dialog(has nothing to do with lock that i can tell | 06:03 |
| gnomefreak | correct | 06:04 |
| bjsnider | yeah but he wondered if you were asking exclusively about the lock feature and it sounds to me like you want a screensaver | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | i want a screensaver i hate not having one | 06:05 |
| gnomefreak | and it has been closer to 6 moths or so (complining) | 06:05 |
| bjsnider | jbicha, i can't get gnome-settings-daemon to run right on this system. is there a problem with it in gnome 3.6 that you know about? | 06:06 |
| bjsnider | i've got the one from the ppa if it has the latest | 06:06 |
| micahg | we're also 5 versions behind for xscreensaver | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | it just seems to me that gnome doesnt want us to have a way to customize, that defeats some of the reason is so great is that you can change things were as winblows allows you to change some things | 06:07 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/has-gnome-3-decided-that-people-shouldnt-want-screen-savers/ | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | we are on gnome 3.6 already? | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: thanks | 06:08 |
| bjsnider | 3.8 is coming up. development is at 3.7 | 06:08 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: which ppa? | 06:10 |
| bjsnider | gnome 3 | 06:10 |
| jbicha | as long as you're not using the gnome3-staging ppa, g-s-d 3.6 should be working | 06:11 |
| bjsnider | but really, it's been a problem since october. it often fails to start at boot time | 06:11 |
| gnomefreak | is it saying that xscreensaver will work? | 06:12 |
| bjsnider | right now, alt+f2 does't work and gvfs-monitor-dir also doesn't work | 06:13 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, i don't think screensavers are ever coming back | 06:15 |
| micahg | your best shot is probably xscreensaver | 06:17 |
| micahg | but depending on how hard GNOME makes integration, it might not work | 06:18 |
| bjsnider | or he could write his own screensaver app from scratch | 06:20 |
| micahg | I tend to not encourage NIH thinking | 06:20 |
| micahg | Xubuntu uses Xscreensaver | 06:21 |
| bjsnider | i wonder if the latest source code would be easier to integrate than the one that's 5 versions out of date | 06:23 |
| micahg | yeah, 5.20 is in the Debian git repo, I guess the maintainer is waiting for wheezy to release | 06:24 |
| * micahg will see about getting that in raring | 06:24 | |
| gnomefreak | wheezy is debian experimental or beta? | 06:28 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: your up late | 06:30 |
| bjsnider | wheezy is testing | 06:37 |
| bjsnider | not experimental or unstable per se | 06:37 |
| gnomefreak | oh ok | 06:39 |
| gnomefreak | did Debian ever bring over Unity? | 06:39 |
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| sbivol | Hi, I have a strange issue on Kubuntu Raring - opening a magnet link renders the desktop unusable, with Xorg eating 100% CPU (sorry for cross-posting) | 10:11 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 13:43 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hi BluesKaj | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | Hey MrChrisDruif | 14:56 |
| MrChrisDruif | How's it going BluesKaj ? | 14:57 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ugh, too many people with nicks starting with bl... | 14:58 |
| BluesKaj | just fine thanks , MrChrisDruif , and how'ew you doing ? | 14:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | Pretty good actually. Today wasn't as active as the last couple of days (we're on snow sport vacation in Germany) | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | MrChrisDruif, skiing ? ..I miss it , but my knees won't let me ski anymore :( | 15:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | Damn, that's awful. But snowboarding actually for me =) | 15:09 |
| BluesKaj | by the time 'boarding caught on my skiing days were already history ..it's been 25 yrs , and i'm too old to start over anyway | 15:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hmm, you're a lot older then I imagined ^_^ | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | yup , been retired for 14 yrs | 15:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | Now you've made me really curious about your age O.o | 15:20 |
| BluesKaj | I'm 69 | 15:28 |
| BluesKaj | what's the gnome /unity equivalent to system settings>startup&shutdown on KDE ? | 15:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | Startup and shutdown? If you tell me what it does precisely I might be able to tell you. | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | one can add scripts and apps to start apps/daemons at startup , like dropbox for example | 15:33 |
| BluesKaj | one has to add a script dropboxd to startup and shutdown to load the app and daemon sometime in the boot process | 15:35 |
| BluesKaj | on kde | 15:35 |
| BluesKaj | there's a guy in #ubuntu who's dropbox daemon just keeps dying | 15:36 |
| BluesKaj | I haven't run gnome/unity in along time | 15:36 |
| BluesKaj | maybe I should add the ubuntu-desktop as an option , but i don't need all the gtk apps which will dupe what I already have | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | or just stop trying to help on #ubuntu ...it' s becoming more difficult since unity was introduced | 15:43 |
| MrChrisDruif | I should know this. | 15:43 |
| MrChrisDruif | In Gnome it's Alt+F2 then gnome-session-properties | 15:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Not sure for Unity (haven't run THAT in about a year already) | 15:44 |
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| BluesKaj | thanks , MrChrisDruif | 15:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | No prob. | 15:44 |
| BluesKaj | MrChrisDruif, it's not biggie , just an icon that's acting up , dropbox seens to work ok for him | 15:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | Good to hear =) | 15:58 |
| BluesKaj | dropbox on kde is a little trickier , but it's solid once installed | 15:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | Dropbox is super simple on gnome | 16:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | Fedora or Ubuntu, both are just a few clicks away from installing. | 16:02 |
| BluesKaj | on kde , one has to add the daemon to the startup sequence , which the install procedure doesn't do for some reason | 16:04 |
| BluesKaj | the install procedure is quite simple now , just that one little step that hasn't been written | 16:08 |
| Walther | Hi again! It seems compiz doesn't function anymore as intended - i lost my virtual desktops | 16:11 |
| Walther | Anyone else with this issue? | 16:12 |
| Walther | Also, it seems like I have subpixel smoothing wrong or something if I run compiz --replace & | 16:14 |
| FernandoMiguel | where did the multi desktop go? | 17:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | I seem to only have one now :S | 17:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | some how, I've been reduced to 1x1 instead of the stock 2x2 :S | 17:28 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: System Settings>Appearance>Behavior | 17:37 |
| jbicha | stock *is* 1x1 now | 17:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | jbicha: went with compiz :) | 17:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | oh is it? | 17:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | what's the rational for the change? | 17:38 |
| jbicha | bug 868423, it's too confusing for people not expecting it and it's really a power user feature | 17:38 |
| ubottu | bug 868423 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - Workspace switcher should not be in the Launcher by default" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868423 | 17:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | LOLOLOL | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | oh come on.... | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | even windows 7 has 2 desktops | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | OSx had them for ever | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | and every mobile OS has them | 17:39 |
| jbicha | windows 7 does not | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | it has two | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | click on the bottom corner | 17:39 |
| jbicha | that's just "show desktop" | 17:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | from the little use I gave it , it allowed me to have two set of apps open and switch between them | 17:40 |
| jbicha | android doesn't have workspaces, it has all apps fullscreen with the ability to switch between them | 17:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | true | 17:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | still.... | 17:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | confusing? :S | 17:41 |
| jbicha | at least they made an easy button to turn workspaces back on | 17:41 |
| jbicha | it's confusing if you accidently click the workspace switcher (or even worse, accidently hit the key combination that makes all your apps disappear) | 17:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | jbicha: they did? even with your instructions, I can't find it :S | 17:43 |
| jbicha | personally I don't use workspaces as the cost/benefit ratio is too high for me so far ;) | 17:43 |
| FernandoMiguel | at work, I had two LCDs and 4 workspaces. all full | 17:43 |
| FernandoMiguel | AFAIK clicking on the launcher bar will make you jump to the workspace that has the app open | 17:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | unless it's chrome and the window is minimized... in that case good luck getting it back | 17:44 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-13-04-adds-new-launcher-options | 17:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | I should file that bug too :| | 17:44 |
| jbicha | Unity has too much junk in the launcher by default, I'm glad that there's one less item there | 17:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | I don't have the apperance menu :\ | 17:45 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: install gnome-control-center-unity | 17:46 |
| jbicha | that's new for raring | 17:47 |
| FernandoMiguel | shouldn't ubuntu-desktop metapackage pull that? | 17:47 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: unity recommends it | 17:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | what's the *proper* way to drag icons on the launcher? | 17:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | I seem to be able to do it sometimes | 17:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | $ apt-cache policy unity | 17:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | Installed: 6.12.0daily13.01.25.1-0ubuntu1 | 17:49 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Is anyone else experiencing an issue with Middleclick + Alt + Drag to resize windows? Mine doesn't seem to grab the right window for focus about 1/2 the time... but I also got a new mouse so I'm not sure if the issues are related. | 18:54 |
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