[00:07] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-puppet-devel/2013-January/007378.html [00:07] Hmm micah says "If we upload 3.0.2 to experimental would that be useful for Ubuntu?" [00:08] TheLordOfTime: You here? [00:08] Bluefoxicy, slightly distracted migrating 10GB of databases from MSSQL -> MySQL [00:08] sup? [00:09] Debian is still carrying an old Puppet in Sid because they're frozen for Lenny, but they have a newer 3.0 package in git and they have raised that they can upload newer packages to experimental without causing trouble with the feature freeze at Debian [00:09] is any of this helpful to Ubuntu for pulling newer packages? ubuntu seems to inheret the package from Sid, which is well out of date. [00:10] no offense for this really-evil statement, but why should I care? [00:10] ah [00:10] lag. [00:10] um... [00:10] (in fact, was out of date when 12.10 was released, but 12.10 was in feature freeze) [00:10] last i checked... [00:10] asking about general release cycle, inheritence from Debian, and politics :) [00:10] hmm... [00:10] !info puppet raring [00:10] puppet (source: puppet): Centralized configuration management - agent startup and compatibility scripts. In component main, is optional. Version 2.7.18-1ubuntu1 (raring), package size 20 kB, installed size 110 kB [00:10] if it were in universe i'd say ask the MOTUs, i usually deal with universe thingies [00:10] note: i'm not dev nor motu [00:11] ah [00:11] I thought you might know, nobody else seems to be around. [00:11] well... [00:11] and I am entirely peripheral and have no idea what I'm doing :D [00:11] i know for UNIVERSE, you have to explicitly request a sync from Experimental [00:11] I'm just trying to make other people do what I want :D [00:11] but i dunno if that applies to main as well [00:11] devs would know [00:11] nod. I'll find out elsewhere then. [00:12] yeah sorry i can't be of more help [00:12] np [00:12] I was just trying for a fast answer anyway [00:12] * TheLordOfTime checks something [00:13] Bluefoxicy, erm... [00:13] if it were my call i'd say reject a sync request... its an RC that's in experimental: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/puppet [00:13] but again i'm not MOTU, Dev, RElease Team, or otherwise [00:13] * TheLordOfTime has no say in the matter [00:13] but i tend to err on the side of caution so... :P [00:14] TheLordOfTime: no, there's an RC in experimental [00:14] that's what i said? [00:14] but they're asking if pulling 3.0.2 into Debian experimental would help [00:14] who's asking where? [00:14] since I want 3.0.2 in Ubuntu, but Debian Sid carries 2.7.18, and Ubuntu typically syncs from Debian [00:15] who's asking where about putting 3.0.2 from git to experimental? [00:16] Who's asking => I actually pinged the debian devel list asking about getting Puppet 3.0.2 into Debian because they had 2.7.18 and I want Puppet 3 in Raring [00:16] Getting 3.0.2 into Raring by telling the Ubuntu devs "there are packages in the Puppetlabs repo go get them" doesn't seem like a great strategy [00:17] Bluefoxicy, i'd suggest that you start by getting them to put it into Experimental [00:17] first. [00:17] nod. [00:17] before asking to see if it can get into Ubuntu Raring [00:17] ... Y U SO EVIL MSSQLDB! [00:17] * TheLordOfTime goes to beat the migration software with a stick [00:17] That Hmm micah says "If we upload 3.0.2 to experimental would that be useful for Ubuntu?" [00:17] was the question [00:17] lol [00:17] TheLordOfTime: I hear that everyone may be abandoning MySQL soon. [00:18] Fedora might throw it out in 2013. It's been proposed with no objections. [00:18] SuSE is considering it, but currently in feature freeze. Next version of OpenSuSE. [00:18] Debian as well, but nothing's come of it--feature freeze. [00:18] you should read your privmsgs [00:18] and stop beating a dead horse from yesterday [00:18] Forgot I said that yesterday [00:22] you did [00:22] i think it was in -devel or somewhere [00:22] * TheLordOfTime doesn't have logs though [00:22] * TheLordOfTime yawns [00:47] Ubuntu has been discussing that for a few cycles now, the biggest problem seems to be a clean migration path [00:47] well, that and the lack of a clear replacement [00:47] (excluding postgres :)) [00:48] the discussion seems to be mainly aimed at MariaDB, which is just a mysql fork [00:48] I've been using percona but they share source code [00:48] MariaDB now has XtraDB from Percona for example. Percona doesn't yet have Maria Aria [00:49] precona, drizzle, mariadb, there's no clear leader...that's contributing to the stagnation of everyone else remaining on MySQL [00:49] ah [00:49] it's more of an issue of too many choices then :) [00:50] Fedora seems to have decided on MariaDB, so has SuSE. My guess is that MariaDB being an open source project (like postgresql) and Percona being a product (like MySQL under MySQL AB and Oracle) is making MariaDB more attractive. [00:51] Debian has discussed it a few times but it goes nowhere. Methinks they are too busy in feature freeze to bother with that. [00:52] In any case it's happening and I'm trying to figure out when and which way. The problem is none of the actors seem to know at this point :| === Jikan is now known as Jikai === Jikai is now known as Jikan [05:01] anyone notice in Gnome3/Unity there is no working screensavers. It seems with the introduction with Gnome3 and Unity we lost a lot of things we can no longer customize a lot of things [05:03] i thought one of linux gimmick was tha tyou can customize it to your liking [05:49] gnomefreak: I thought that gdm/lightdm were supposed to take over that function, I also thought that wasn't planned until GNOME 3.8 [05:51] screensavers are meaningless these days, so why maintain code that is meaningless [05:55] bjsnider: it's the screen lock component that I believe he's asking about (please correct if I'm wrong) [05:56] i thought he was talking about screensavers [05:56] he's been complaining about them for a couple of days [05:56] as in wanting a screensaver [05:57] he said screensaver, I interpreted lock, but that could just be my tiredness :) [05:57] lock works in gnome 3.6 i think [05:57] i have a lock option here [05:58] ah, well, in that case, I'd suggest XScreensaver :) [05:58] i'm using gdm/gnome-shell [06:00] micahg, can that still be shoehorned in? is that codebase still getting upstream work? [06:03] micahg: i havent found a way to do it yet.there isnt a dialog for screensavers, hell there are only likr 4 themes you can choose from [06:03] bjsnider: xscreensaver is still maintained, it's just fighting with gnome that you'd have to worry about [06:03] gnomefreak, you did want a screensaver and not screen lock right? [06:03] i have no way to set a screensaver. there is no dialog(has nothing to do with lock that i can tell [06:04] correct [06:04] yeah but he wondered if you were asking exclusively about the lock feature and it sounds to me like you want a screensaver [06:05] i want a screensaver i hate not having one [06:05] and it has been closer to 6 moths or so (complining) [06:06] jbicha, i can't get gnome-settings-daemon to run right on this system. is there a problem with it in gnome 3.6 that you know about? [06:06] i've got the one from the ppa if it has the latest [06:07] we're also 5 versions behind for xscreensaver [06:07] it just seems to me that gnome doesnt want us to have a way to customize, that defeats some of the reason is so great is that you can change things were as winblows allows you to change some things [06:07] gnomefreak: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/has-gnome-3-decided-that-people-shouldnt-want-screen-savers/ [06:07] we are on gnome 3.6 already? [06:08] micahg: thanks [06:08] 3.8 is coming up. development is at 3.7 [06:10] bjsnider: which ppa? [06:10] gnome 3 [06:11] as long as you're not using the gnome3-staging ppa, g-s-d 3.6 should be working [06:11] but really, it's been a problem since october. it often fails to start at boot time [06:12] is it saying that xscreensaver will work? [06:13] right now, alt+f2 does't work and gvfs-monitor-dir also doesn't work [06:15] gnomefreak, i don't think screensavers are ever coming back [06:17] your best shot is probably xscreensaver [06:18] but depending on how hard GNOME makes integration, it might not work [06:20] or he could write his own screensaver app from scratch [06:20] I tend to not encourage NIH thinking [06:21] Xubuntu uses Xscreensaver [06:23] i wonder if the latest source code would be easier to integrate than the one that's 5 versions out of date [06:24] yeah, 5.20 is in the Debian git repo, I guess the maintainer is waiting for wheezy to release [06:24] * micahg will see about getting that in raring [06:28] wheezy is debian experimental or beta? [06:30] micahg: your up late [06:37] wheezy is testing [06:37] not experimental or unstable per se [06:39] oh ok [06:39] did Debian ever bring over Unity? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:11] Hi, I have a strange issue on Kubuntu Raring - opening a magnet link renders the desktop unusable, with Xorg eating 100% CPU (sorry for cross-posting) [13:43] Hi folks [14:56] Hi BluesKaj [14:56] Hey MrChrisDruif [14:57] How's it going BluesKaj ? [14:58] Ugh, too many people with nicks starting with bl... [14:58] just fine thanks , MrChrisDruif , and how'ew you doing ? [14:59] Pretty good actually. Today wasn't as active as the last couple of days (we're on snow sport vacation in Germany) [15:06] MrChrisDruif, skiing ? ..I miss it , but my knees won't let me ski anymore :( [15:09] Damn, that's awful. But snowboarding actually for me =) [15:13] by the time 'boarding caught on my skiing days were already history ..it's been 25 yrs , and i'm too old to start over anyway [15:14] Hmm, you're a lot older then I imagined ^_^ [15:16] yup , been retired for 14 yrs [15:20] Now you've made me really curious about your age O.o [15:28] I'm 69 [15:31] what's the gnome /unity equivalent to system settings>startup&shutdown on KDE ? [15:32] Startup and shutdown? If you tell me what it does precisely I might be able to tell you. [15:33] one can add scripts and apps to start apps/daemons at startup , like dropbox for example [15:35] one has to add a script dropboxd to startup and shutdown to load the app and daemon sometime in the boot process [15:35] on kde [15:36] there's a guy in #ubuntu who's dropbox daemon just keeps dying [15:36] I haven't run gnome/unity in along time [15:42] maybe I should add the ubuntu-desktop as an option , but i don't need all the gtk apps which will dupe what I already have [15:43] or just stop trying to help on #ubuntu ...it' s becoming more difficult since unity was introduced [15:43] I should know this. [15:44] In Gnome it's Alt+F2 then gnome-session-properties [15:44] Not sure for Unity (haven't run THAT in about a year already) === jack is now known as wN [15:44] thanks , MrChrisDruif [15:44] No prob. [15:58] MrChrisDruif, it's not biggie , just an icon that's acting up , dropbox seens to work ok for him [15:58] Good to hear =) [15:59] dropbox on kde is a little trickier , but it's solid once installed [16:02] Dropbox is super simple on gnome [16:02] Fedora or Ubuntu, both are just a few clicks away from installing. [16:04] on kde , one has to add the daemon to the startup sequence , which the install procedure doesn't do for some reason [16:08] the install procedure is quite simple now , just that one little step that hasn't been written [16:11] Hi again! It seems compiz doesn't function anymore as intended - i lost my virtual desktops [16:12] Anyone else with this issue? [16:14] Also, it seems like I have subpixel smoothing wrong or something if I run compiz --replace & [17:27] where did the multi desktop go? [17:27] I seem to only have one now :S [17:28] some how, I've been reduced to 1x1 instead of the stock 2x2 :S [17:37] FernandoMiguel: System Settings>Appearance>Behavior [17:38] stock *is* 1x1 now [17:38] jbicha: went with compiz :) [17:38] oh is it? [17:38] what's the rational for the change? [17:38] bug 868423, it's too confusing for people not expecting it and it's really a power user feature [17:38] bug 868423 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - Workspace switcher should not be in the Launcher by default" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868423 [17:39] LOLOLOL [17:39] oh come on.... [17:39] even windows 7 has 2 desktops [17:39] OSx had them for ever [17:39] and every mobile OS has them [17:39] windows 7 does not [17:39] it has two [17:39] click on the bottom corner [17:40] that's just "show desktop" [17:40] from the little use I gave it , it allowed me to have two set of apps open and switch between them [17:40] android doesn't have workspaces, it has all apps fullscreen with the ability to switch between them [17:41] true [17:41] still.... [17:41] confusing? :S [17:41] at least they made an easy button to turn workspaces back on [17:42] it's confusing if you accidently click the workspace switcher (or even worse, accidently hit the key combination that makes all your apps disappear) [17:43] jbicha: they did? even with your instructions, I can't find it :S [17:43] personally I don't use workspaces as the cost/benefit ratio is too high for me so far ;) [17:43] at work, I had two LCDs and 4 workspaces. all full [17:44] AFAIK clicking on the launcher bar will make you jump to the workspace that has the app open [17:44] unless it's chrome and the window is minimized... in that case good luck getting it back [17:44] FernandoMiguel: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-13-04-adds-new-launcher-options [17:44] I should file that bug too :| [17:44] Unity has too much junk in the launcher by default, I'm glad that there's one less item there [17:45] I don't have the apperance menu :\ [17:46] FernandoMiguel: install gnome-control-center-unity [17:47] that's new for raring [17:47] shouldn't ubuntu-desktop metapackage pull that? [17:49] FernandoMiguel: unity recommends it [17:49] what's the *proper* way to drag icons on the launcher? [17:49] I seem to be able to do it sometimes [17:49] $ apt-cache policy unity [17:49] Installed: 6.12.0daily13.01.25.1-0ubuntu1 [18:54] Is anyone else experiencing an issue with Middleclick + Alt + Drag to resize windows? Mine doesn't seem to grab the right window for focus about 1/2 the time... but I also got a new mouse so I'm not sure if the issues are related. === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat