| * mpt wonders what the design for bug 668846 should look like | 17:31 | |
| ubot5 | bug 668846 in software-center (Ubuntu) "No obvious error when Software Centre can't install due to Synaptic being open" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668846 | 17:31 |
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| mpt | “Software Updater can’t continue until Synaptic exits.” ( Cancel ) ( Wait ) | 17:34 |
| mpt | ...can’t install or remove software until… | 17:35 |
| mpt | “Ubuntu Software Center can’t install or remove software until apt-get exits.” | 17:35 |
| mpt | that could work ... probably only after a delay, though, so it doesn't come up because of an incidental check for updates | 17:37 |
| mpt | and auto-close if the problem solves itself | 17:37 |
| * mpt starts sketching | 17:37 | |
| xnox | synaptic is crazy thought in between finishing applying changes and reloading cache it intermittedly releases lock & acquires it again. If one happens to run apt-get update at that time the two deadlock =) | 17:45 |
| * xnox used to use to much CLI and GUI together. | 17:45 | |
| xnox | mpt: are the earlier "Web login" comments, about wifi hot-spots that ask you for email-address and such? | 17:46 |
| * xnox has technical way to implement it. I was thinking to publish it as an app. | 17:46 | |
| mpt | xnox, yes | 17:48 |
| mpt | xnox, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#captive-portal | 17:48 |
| xnox | mpt: is anybody coding that? | 17:51 |
| xnox | e.g. in the installer we already are doing connectivity check against a known document http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html | 17:52 |
| xnox | which should have md5sum 4589f42e1546aa47ca181e5d949d310b | 17:52 |
| mpt | xnox, I did that design only yesterday, so I doubt anyone's started yet. :-) It's part of <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-connectivity-checking>, but the work items are vague about who would implement it. | 17:52 |
| mpt | Ooooo. | 17:53 |
| mpt | xnox, so that installer code could become part of the network-manager implementation? | 17:54 |
| xnox | yeah. | 17:54 |
| mpt | (Probably needs porting from Python to C or something, right?) | 17:54 |
| mpt | Lorem ipsum, ha | 17:55 |
| mpt | Somebody wasn't trying to save bytes there | 17:55 |
| mpt | To save the world's bandwidth, we should run a collision contest to find a shorter string that has the same md5sum! | 17:55 |
| xnox | =)))))))))) juju deploy md5sumcolider | 17:58 |
| xnox | that's awesome idea, apart from other people might be checking other checksums, or byte by byte. | 17:58 |
| xnox | [ "`wget -q http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html -O - | md5sum`" = "4589f42e1546aa47ca181e5d949d310b -" ] && notify-send "Full internet connection" || notify-send "Offline or captive portal" | 17:58 |
| xnox | mpt: ^ that's a one liner implementation for the check. Obviously it needs to be run / triggered on becoming online. | 17:59 |
| xnox | mpt: python / c / any language can grab a file of internets & check it's checksum ;-) | 18:00 |
| mpt | "Get me one file of your finest internets. Neat." | 18:03 |
| xnox | ... and i shall check if you gave me a rotten one ;-) | 18:03 |
| xnox | mpt: the most silly thing about captive portals, is that some of them don't require one to login at all - just open it & look at advertisement. E.g. Virgin WiFi on the underground, after the first login, simply auto-redirects you to a ad. | 18:06 |
| xnox | So one can try opening any page in the background to see if it's enough to establish connection ;-) | 18:06 |
| mpt | xnox, yes. In that case this dialog would open and then close itself after 30 seconds ... which is probably too long | 18:07 |
| xnox | mpt: it's reasonable to try this hack without pooping anything up, and if it fails then poop up the OpenZone dialog. | 18:08 |
| mpt | xnox, as in make two HTTP requests and discard the first? | 18:09 |
| mpt | That could work. | 18:09 |
| xnox | yeah. | 18:09 |
| xnox | we may need to store state (some of these dialogs show remaining paid for time) but that can be future work. | 18:10 |
| mpt | Now that I think about it, there are also some portals that let you browse a few sites, but you have to log in to get the Web in general | 18:11 |
| mpt | What if those few sites are actually what you want? | 18:11 |
| mpt | the dialog would just stay open, unclosable | 18:12 |
| mpt | Maybe we want a "Cancel" button as well as the "Disconnect" button | 18:12 |
| mpt | The problem being that they'd do the same thing 99% of the time | 18:13 |
| xnox | the point is that we should hide it, but keep a launcher icon in the launcher or the menu item in the network indicator to get back to the portal. | 18:13 |
| xnox | (not just quit and discard) | 18:13 |
| xnox | we don't know if anyone wants to go back to them or not, but if they do, they should be able to, as long as they are still connected to that network. | 18:14 |
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