[13:21] coxn: i usually go with whatever is at the goodwill [13:21] something on the quiet side [13:21] OR, something i can take some fans out of and not lose any sleep over it if it gets hot and dies [13:22] for my parents' media PC I got a Shuttle barebones kit from Newegg and added the requisite parts [13:22] using an SSD, the only thing making noise are the two fans in the case [13:40] i like the barebones or prebuilts for that [13:40] seems like they have quieter setups [13:40] better fan speed managment or something [13:40] when i just build one, they tend to be loud === jack is now known as wN