[00:01] <satanx> coolthanks for the info
[00:05] <Joe> Hello, I am looking to install Xubuntu, it will be my first Linux based OS
[00:05] <Joe> I have a question on what I should download
[00:05] <genoobie> Joe, what's your hardware?
[00:06] <genoobie> oh and welcome!
[00:06] <Joe> I have found an old Dell Dimension 4600 and I am coming from nothing but Windows. I have 512 mb RAM and Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz and other than that, I have no idea what information is required haha
[00:06] <genoobie> seems ok
[00:06] <genoobie> you may want to consider lubuntu too
[00:07] <genoobie> what kind of video?
[00:07] <genoobie> although it will probably be fine
[00:07] <Joe> I was at an Ubuntu chat and they suggest Xubuntu as it should be able to handle it
[00:07] <Joe> Um one second let me check
[00:07] <genoobie> here a good comparison
[00:07] <genoobie> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Lubuntu_vs_Xubuntu
[00:07] <Joe> Is it the video card you are asking for?
[00:08] <Joe> *graphics card
[00:08] <genoobie> xubuntu looks good, looks better than lubuntu, but performance in lubuntu is prolly better
[00:09] <Joe> According to that my old tower meets the optimal specs for Xubuntu so I am probably just trying out Xubuntu first off
[00:09] <genoobie> yes, xubuntu is a tiny bit resource heavy on graphics versus say lubuntu
[00:09] <genoobie> fine
[00:09] <satanx> Joe, apt-get install unetbootin
[00:09] <Joe> I was in another chat earlier and they suggested Xubuntu to me and it's worth a shot
[00:09] <genoobie> satanx, he doesn't have any OS on there now
[00:10] <Joe> Correct, I formatted the hard drive
[00:10] <satanx> what os you useing atm joe?
[00:10] <Joe> On what I wish to install I have no OS installed
[00:10] <satanx> so blank drive atm?
[00:10] <Joe> Correct
[00:10] <genoobie> get 12.10 i386
[00:10] <genoobie> not the alternate install
[00:11] <Joe> Okay what is the difference between 12.04 alternate an d desktop?
[00:11] <satanx> you got another pc you can make a disk or something?
[00:11] <Joe> Yes, I can make a bootable flash drive
[00:11] <genoobie> get desktop
[00:11] <Joe> Desktop is the iso file?
[00:11] <genoobie> both are .iso files
[00:11] <genoobie> if your dell 4600 can boot from the USB then use that
[00:12] <satanx> id try freebsd imo
[00:12] <Joe> Ah what is the difference? Because I am not sure how much hard drive space I have as I had to dig out an old one
[00:12] <saltmiser> Cheri703, sounds ilke your 3D graphics hardware is either not supported correctly or is broken
[00:12] <genoobie> ugh freebsd has not much in the way of hardware support
[00:12] <saltmiser> genoobie, no that will run Xubuntu just fine
[00:12] <genoobie> saltmiser, yes, but for the install his cdrom is prolly older
[00:13] <saltmiser> I wouldn't worry about that
[00:13] <genoobie> meh
[00:13] <saltmiser> he only has to use the CDROM once
[00:13] <satanx> joe stay away from unity
[00:13] <genoobie> yes
[00:13] <saltmiser> yes
[00:13] <genoobie> no unity
[00:13] <saltmiser> away from unity
[00:13]  * saltmiser hisses
[00:13] <genoobie> so the alternate install may not be a bad option
[00:13] <Joe> Okay will do.
[00:13] <genoobie> if you don't mind text interfaces
[00:13] <genoobie> and nCurses
[00:13] <saltmiser> he does
[00:13] <saltmiser> he will
[00:13] <Joe> What is the difference between alternate and desktop install?
[00:13] <saltmiser> it will be scary
[00:13] <saltmiser> Joe use the desktop
[00:13] <saltmiser> the alternate install will ask you a bunch of questions that you'll have no idea how to answer
[00:13] <genoobie> doesn't desktop rely on unity for enviro?
[00:13] <satanx> 2nd that
[00:13] <saltmiser> not xubuntu
[00:14] <genoobie> oh
[00:14] <satanx> not for xubuntu
[00:14] <Joe> But the alternate requires less free space and I am not sure how much I have currently
[00:14] <saltmiser> Joe, you're going to format the entire hard drive
[00:14] <genoobie> interesting for lubuntu which is lighter, it uses unity
[00:14] <satanx> xubuntu uses xfce
[00:14] <genoobie> you'll have plenty of space
[00:14] <saltmiser> Joe, you have enough disk space
[00:14] <saltmiser> you have at least 4gb probably
[00:14] <satanx> but you can add w/e ui u wish
[00:14] <Joe> It already is formated. It's from an old Windows 98 computer though so I'm limited :p
[00:14] <saltmiser> joe, the installer will re-format it
[00:14] <saltmiser> specifically for linux
[00:15] <saltmiser> linux uses different file system formats than windows, especially
[00:15] <genoobie> everything is a file in linux
[00:15] <Joe> Okay I will try the Desktop version but if I do not have enough space I will try the alternate as well
[00:15] <satanx> joe, it you are a beginner linux useer... i would try ubuntu 10.04 first
[00:15] <genoobie> a mouse, that's a file
[00:15] <genoobie> :)
[00:15] <saltmiser> you will have enough space joe, do not worry
[00:15] <genoobie> nah
[00:15] <genoobie> 12.04 is prolly fine
[00:15] <saltmiser> satanx, stop playing satan that sounds ridiculous
[00:15] <Joe> I was suggested Xubuntu as it should run smoother on my Dimension 4600
[00:15] <genoobie> yes
[00:16] <genoobie> because ubuntu uses unity
[00:16] <saltmiser> Joe xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10
[00:16] <Joe> So 12.10 or 12.04 desktop version?
[00:16] <saltmiser> either version, doesn't matter
[00:16] <genoobie> it's heavy
[00:16] <satanx> saltmiser, what should i play?
[00:16] <saltmiser> I use 12.10 I think
[00:16] <genoobie> 12.10 has no problems here
[00:16] <Joe> Alright I'll try it with 12.10 first, thanks!
[00:16] <saltmiser> Joe, have it format the entire hard drive
[00:16] <genoobie> yes
[00:16] <saltmiser> blow the whole thing out
[00:16] <Joe> Will it ask me that during install?
[00:16] <saltmiser> yes
[00:16] <Mom_sex> saltmiser, better?
[00:16] <genoobie> will he need to make his own swap?
[00:17] <Joe> Okay I will indeed do that. Thank you
[00:17] <saltmiser> no
[00:17] <saltmiser> autopartition will
[00:17] <genoobie> or will the install take care of that
[00:17] <genoobie> ok
[00:17] <saltmiser> lol
[00:17] <saltmiser> I remember when I used slackware for the first time
[00:17] <Joe> I must go for now, hwoever I should have time to install it within the week. Thank you for the asistance!
[00:17] <saltmiser2> there
[00:17] <genoobie> I remember partitioning for each /etc, /var and /tmp
[00:17] <genoobie> it was ridiculous
[00:17] <saltmiser> yeah
[00:17] <saltmiser> freaking openbsd
[00:18] <genoobie> you had to reinstall all the time so you wanted to keep data on another partition
[00:18] <saltmiser2> whats wrong with bsd?
[00:18] <timm> 2 questions:1. is there a way to change the clock to an hour ahead? 2. everytime i close my netbook and it goes to sleep I need to restart Xubuntu, is there any way to fix this? I am on am aspire one acer netbook.
[00:18] <saltmiser2> timm goto poweroptions
[00:19] <timm> okay ,saltmiser2
[00:20] <genoobie> bbl
[00:20] <saltmiser2> er.. power mannagerment is what they call it
[00:21] <timm> so i want to put when laptop lid closes suspend? salmiser2
[00:22] <saltmiser2> yes
[00:22] <timm> okay thanks.
[00:22] <timm> and then for the clock
[00:22] <saltmiser2> one min
[00:23] <timm> okay thanks
[00:24] <saltmiser2> im not sure about that might need new applet, you need to google that
[00:24] <saltmiser2> still looking
[00:24] <timm> I just got it
[00:25] <saltmiser2> right on good
[00:25] <timm> system>time and date
[00:25] <timm> from the main menu
[00:25] <Nerkshank> good to know
[00:26] <timm> yup
[00:26] <timm> i guess this is how you learn
[00:30] <Nerkshank> yep
[00:32] <Nerkshank> question: why cant i upgrade to 12.XX
[00:32] <Nerkshank> say i need to make cd?
[00:34] <Nerkshank> please help http://pastebin.com/8ehSwXGW
[01:03] <timm> nerkshank, no idea
[01:03] <xubuntu807> hello
[01:04] <Boom_Farmer> Nerkshank: It's looking for the CD because it thinks you're wanting to upgrade from a CD. Is there an option to do a network upgrade?
[01:04] <Boom_Farmer> Or to upgrade from the Internet?
[01:05] <xubuntu807> having trouble connecting to protected next
[01:06] <xubuntu807> networks
[01:07] <xubuntu807> can anyone help me
[01:07] <xubuntu807> this started a couple days ago, after a update
[01:09] <xubuntu807> anyone??
[01:09] <saltmiser> jmm
[01:09] <Boom_Farmer> What sort of "protection" do they employ?
[01:09] <saltmiser> well I don't use any of that
[01:09] <saltmiser> and indeed, what do you mean by protected?
[01:10] <Nerkshank> Boom_Farmer, you were right cd-repositry was checked 4 some reason
[01:10] <xubuntu807> wpa1/2
[01:13] <timm> xubuntu807,can you connect to the same network on the LAN?
[01:14] <xubuntu807> I can, and I can also connecct when the network is open.
[01:14] <timm> hmm
[01:15] <timm> can you change the type of security on the network?
[01:15] <timm> and see if that works, xubunutu807
[01:16] <timm> xubuntu807
[01:16] <xubuntu807> Ill try that.
[01:17] <timm> and double check that you've got the right password
[01:17] <Joe> I have a quick question about Xubuntu. I read in Ubuntu there is an option to test and not install the OS. Does Xubuntu offer this as well?
[01:18] <xubuntu807> Okay.
[01:19] <timm> joe, yes if you burn it to a disk or flash drive it offers that opion
[01:19] <Boom_Farmer> Yes, there are Xubuntu Live distributions, if you get the Desktop LiveCD or live thumb drive ISO.
[01:19] <Joe> Okay, thank you. And I have been looknig around and it seems quite simple to dual boot Xubuntu and Windows Vista, is that correct?
[01:19] <xubuntu807> Hmm... Now it's saying that my wireless card is not managed.
[01:20] <Boom_Farmer> Usually.
[01:20] <Nerkshank> lol you got vista still
[01:20] <Joe> This is an old PC, I also ahve 7 and 8\
[01:20] <Joe> I am looking to alternatives to my even older that ran Xp :p
[01:20] <Nerkshank> i got a brand new hp i dont use it you want it
[01:21] <Joe> The 12.10 torrent download on the Xubuntu website offers the tes twithout install?
[01:21] <Nerkshank> ersion
[01:22] <timm> joe, the hardest part of running a daul boot of windows and ubuntu is resizing the windows storage partion
[01:22] <Nerkshank> what is cmd to how linux version?
[01:22] <Nerkshank> show*
[01:22] <Boom_Farmer> To resize the Windows partition, boot into Windows and use Windows' tools to resize it.
[01:22] <Joe> Why is it difficult?
[01:23] <Boom_Farmer> Nerkshank: either `cat /etc/issue` or `uname -a`
[01:23] <Joe> Okay thank you
[01:23] <Nerkshank> uname ty
[01:23] <timm> boom_farmer, I had a hell of a time resizing mine.
[01:24] <timm> turrned out my partion was corrupt
[01:24] <frustratedtech> have to disable pagesys files first
[01:24] <Nerkshank> Boom_Farmer, its easy
[01:24] <frustratedtech> remove those then resize, then add them back
[01:24] <Nerkshank> you got windows loaded rigtht now?
[01:25] <Nerkshank> ill walk u throught
[01:25] <genoobie> urgh
[01:26] <genoobie> has anyone used the alternate install?
[01:26] <genoobie> anyhow the question is this
[01:26] <genoobie> I had a linux on /sda3 that I want to blow out
[01:26] <genoobie> I want to install xubuntu over it
[01:27] <genoobie> what's the difference between "resuse partition" and use "entire partition"?
[01:27] <Nerkshank> entire willl wipe everything
[01:27] <genoobie> will wipe everything in the partition?
[01:27] <genoobie> because that's OK
[01:27] <Nerkshank> yes
[01:27] <genoobie> I'm blowing out sda3 anyhow
[01:28] <genoobie> what does "reuse" do then?
[01:28] <Nerkshank> might try and recover some files
[01:28] <genoobie> okay, gotcha, nah, full wipeout would be fine
[01:28] <Nerkshank> if u want to wipe are fresh install to entire
[01:29] <genoobie> would it reuse sda2 as my swap that I already ahve set up
[01:29] <Nerkshank> i would make a 2nd swap for your new partition
[01:29] <Nerkshank> 2-5gs or so
[01:29] <genoobie> huh?
[01:29] <genoobie> why?
[01:30] <Nerkshank> how many hhd u working with?
[01:30] <genoobie> one
[01:30] <genoobie> only one OS at a time
[01:30] <genoobie> the other is a windows OS
[01:31] <Nerkshank> you might beable to get by with the one swap... dont qutoe me on that tho
[01:31] <genoobie> do I want the bootable flag on or off
[01:32] <Nerkshank> you have efu bios?
[01:32] <Nerkshank> efi*
[01:32] <genoobie> not sure
[01:32] <genoobie> what is efi bios?
[01:32] <genoobie> I don't think so...
[01:32] <Nerkshank> make it bootable and grub should find windows for dual boot
[01:32] <Unit193> !uefi
[01:34] <Nerkshank> best to find a guide to help u install
[01:35] <timm> i manged to do a dual boot last night, took me till 3:30AM
[01:36] <Nerkshank> dod you install linux first then windows>
[01:36] <Nerkshank> always install linux over windows
[01:37] <timm> linux over windows, turned out my main partion was corrupt
[01:37] <timm> i go it delt with
[01:37] <Nerkshank> ya can be a pain
[01:38] <Nerkshank> microsoft hates linux
[01:41] <timm> In my opion linux is better
[01:42] <timm> like i got so much support last night
[01:42] <timm> service you cant get with windows
[01:48] <Boom_Farmer> timm: You can get that service for Windows, it'll just cost you money.
[01:48] <timm> but not that fast.
[01:48] <timm> you come on here you get help in like 5 minutes
[02:05] <satanxx> is there like a hardware manager for xubuntu... id like to see if my gtx660m driver is up to date
[02:06] <Boom_Farmer> satanxx: Try XFCE Menu > Settings > Additional Drivers
[02:08] <satanxx> no such options
[02:12] <Boom_Farmer> Which version are you using? run `cat /etc/issue` in a terminal.
[02:13] <Cheri703> satanxx: additional drivers is in the "software sources" screen on xubuntu
[02:13] <Cheri703> so settings > software sources > additional drivers tab
[02:13] <Cheri703> on 12.10 at least
[02:18] <satanxx> !list
[02:19] <Boom_Farmer> So is that why people say !list on joining.
[02:24] <timm> Boom_Farmer, what type of computer you on?
[02:25] <Boom_Farmer> timm: Xubuntu 12.04, probably upgraded to 12.04 from 11.10 by dist-upgrade, Intel i5 with discrete graphics.
[02:26] <timm> desktop, or laptop?
[02:27] <Boom_Farmer> timm: Yes.
[02:27] <timm> it was an either or question
[02:28] <Boom_Farmer> Both. It's a laptop, but it spends most of its time plugged into the wall and an external monitor.
[02:30] <timm> oh, im on my netbook(xubuntu of course) never run this fast on windows ive got skype open and  playing a video with only 73% RAM used up Boom_Farmer
[02:31] <Boom_Farmer> 73% of how much?
[02:31] <timm> 1 gig
[02:31] <Boom_Farmer> I'm using about 4 GB (3.5GB RAM and then a bit of swap) but then I've had web browsers open for three days.
[02:32] <timm> XD why
[02:32] <Boom_Farmer> Because that's my use case? My computer idles overnight. And I use open tabs as reminders of projects.
[02:34] <satanxx> so.... i got a nvidia gtx660m... i cant find correct drivers any suggestion?
[02:34] <satanxx> i got 16g mem :p
[02:36] <Boom_Farmer> satanxx: The latest Nvidia driver should work for you. Your card is listed as supported on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-310.32-driver.html
[02:37] <Boom_Farmer> Alternately, just plug your card info in here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[02:57] <xubuntu762> Hello, I currently have a problem in which I cannot connect to any wifi networks, regardless of security. This happened after I installed updates a few days ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[02:57] <Boom_Farmer> Is upgrading from XFCE 4.8 to 4.10 in 12.04 as simple as adding a ppa, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade? http://it-diary.com/tutorials/install-xfce-4-10-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin/
[02:57] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu762: Can you see the networks?
[02:58] <xubuntu762> I can see the networks, Boom_Farmer.
[02:58] <Boom_Farmer> Do you currently have passwords listed for those networks? You might try deleting the setting for a network and re-adding it.
[02:59] <xubuntu762> I do. deleting...
[03:01] <xubuntu762> I had no results after re-adding.
[03:01] <Boom_Farmer> Is it saving the settings correctly?
[03:02] <xubuntu762> I would assume so; I never had a problem with it before.
[03:03] <Boom_Farmer> open the settings dialog and check that things like the authentication and inner authentication match what you know about the network.
[03:05] <xubuntu762> Alright, I have entered everything I know about the network...
[03:11] <xubuntu762> Still nothing...
[03:41] <Boom_Farmer> "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[03:41] <Boom_Farmer> Make sure you saved the changes, then reboot and see if the changes stuck.
[03:42] <xubuntu762> I have tried that. Even trying a USB wifi adapter doesn't work.
[03:43] <Boom_Farmer> Change the settings to something you know is wrong, save them, and reboot. See if those changes stuck.
[03:43] <Boom_Farmer> I'm wondering if the permissions are being saved.
[03:45] <xubuntu762> Okay, I will try that.
[03:47] <xubuntu762> The changes carried through.
[03:48] <xubuntu779> how do I check what version of xubuntu I have?
[03:48] <Jeff_Williams> Hello i jsut installed linux for the first time :)
[03:52] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu779: In a terminal, run: cat /etc/issue
[03:52] <Jeff_Williams> i also need help xubuntu wont update any apps
[03:53] <Boom_Farmer> Jeff_Williams: How are you trying to upfate?
[03:54] <Jeff_Williams> the update manager
[03:55] <Jeff_Williams> ok its staring to do something
[03:55] <xubuntu016> hello im running an aspire one acer netbook and im wondering if i can dim the screen on it and how
[03:55] <xubuntu016> on xbuntu
[03:55] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu016: Do the Fn+whatever keys work?
[03:56] <Jeff_Williams> ok it told me to re start
[03:56] <xubuntu016> olny for audio
[03:56] <xubuntu016> only*
[03:56] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu016: Is there a small sun-like object in your bar?
[03:57] <xubuntu016> nope.
[03:58] <Boom_Farmer> Right click on the bar, click "Panel", "Add New Items", "Brightness plugin", "Add"
[03:59] <xubuntu762> Any headway on the wifi problem? I wonder if it happened because of a recent update...
[03:59] <xubuntu016> i dont see a brightness plugin or anything like that
[04:00] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu762: There's a chance. Check for more updates?
[04:01] <xubuntu762> Everything is up to date, Boom_Farmer.
[04:04] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu016: sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies, then look again.
[04:04] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu762: I don't know what to tell you, then. Take it to ubuntuforums, perhaps. I'm not a dev, just a user.
[04:05] <xubuntu762> Alright, thanks anyway.
[04:05] <Boom_Farmer> Sorry I couldn't help you.
[04:05] <Boom_Farmer> When you make your forum post, write down _everything_ you tried, to save you time.
[04:06] <xubuntu762> Okay, thanks for the tip. At least ethernet works...
[04:07] <Jeff_Williams> ok my i ask can i just do sudo apt-get install skype to download and install skype im still pretty new to this
[04:12] <xubuntu016> Boom_farmer, from terminal?
[04:14] <xubuntu016> installing
[04:17] <xubuntu016> boom_farmer, nothing
[04:44] <Jeff_Williams> help i cant open .jars it doesn't even have "Allow executing file as a program" in properties help D:
[04:45] <Cheri703> 1. Install the Java runtime environment if it is not already installed. 2. Double click on the jar file or use the command line java -jar <myjarfile.jar> (will only work for executable jar files. Not all jar files are executable)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> i got this Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.checkHeadless(GraphicsEnvironment.java:173)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:477)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:419)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.<init>(LauncherFrame.java:20)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.main(LauncherFrame.java:167)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at net.minecraft.MinecraftLauncher.main(MinecraftLauncher.java:13) Yes im trying to play mine craft :P
[04:54] <Boom_Farmer> Jeff_Williams: Is this a fresh install of Minecraft?
[04:59] <Jeff_Williams> yes it is
[04:59] <Boom_Farmer> Try this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
[05:01] <Jeff_Williams> Yes it worked ty :)
[05:01] <Boom_Farmer> \o/
[05:02] <Jeff_Williams> Now i can punch trees and mine diamonds :P
[05:03] <Jeff_Williams> Minecraft runs alot better on linux :)
[05:06] <Jeff_Williams> Yay for linux
[05:07] <Jeff_Williams> im glad 2013 is the year for linux
[05:15] <Boom_Farmer> Jeff_Williams: You may also want to look into Optifine, for performance and other enhancements: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-147-optifine-hd-b6-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and-much-more/
[05:16] <Jeff_Williams> True i should get optifine it will prob make it so i can record mc also :)
[08:48] <Aknot> If i install enlightenment. Will it know to use EFM when using e17 and thunar when using xfce? And if i have torrents downloading can i continue them when switching between e17 and xfce
[08:55] <moetunes> yes and depends on the torrent client
[08:58] <Aknot> transmission
[09:00] <Aknot> And if i download bunch of themes and icons, do they work on both? or do i have to download them separately
[09:00] <qasim> hi
[09:03] <ochosi> Aknot: afaik E17 uses its own toolkit (i.e. neither Gtk nor Qt), so i don't think our themes would work there
[09:03] <Aknot> but ive watched videos on utube where he uses gtk 3 stuff
[09:04] <qasim> can anyone tell me how to play blue ray videos..... i have vlc but it doesnot work properly with bue rays
[09:04] <ochosi> Aknot: right, well you can ofc use gtk apps in a qt context or even in enlightenment, but i was referring to any E17 native stuff (if there is any, i have no clue really)
[09:06] <Aknot> okok
[09:16] <gnomefreak> he left :(
[09:40] <Juan_Moreno> hi. i dont know why but since today no sund is being hearded. neither in audio or video. yuesterday was ok, but today nothing happens. youtube doesnt work, players, videos online/offline. my volume control seems to be ok. what can happened? thanks 4 helping.
[09:40] <Juan_Moreno> "no sound" i wish to say
[09:44] <TheSheep> Juan_Moreno: check if it's not muted
[09:44] <TheSheep> Juan_Moreno: start xfce4-mixer and check both your hardware device and the pulseaudio playback
[09:46] <Juan_Moreno> xfce4-mixer?
[09:46] <Juan_Moreno> i have pulse audio voume control
[09:47] <Juan_Moreno> i've dl it
[09:47] <Juan_Moreno> let me see
[09:53] <Juan_Moreno> nothng happened
[09:56] <Juan_Moreno> TheSheep, nothing happened. dont know why, man. yesterday was everything okay. but today no sound. even on or offline, even video, audio or youtube sites for ex... dont really know what to do ..
[09:57] <Juan_Moreno> TheSheep, nothing is muted, i have checked and unchecked somethings , change again and nothing..
[12:07] <Aknot> On youtube, if i use firefox its fine, but with chrome everything looks like its very bad quality. With kubuntu and chromium i didnt have this problem
[13:24] <xubuntu427> can someone help me
[13:24] <xubuntu427> ?
[13:24] <xubuntu427> i wanna install win xp and xbuntu
[13:24] <GridCube> !dualboot | xubuntu427
[13:24] <xubuntu427> i have raw ntfs 150 Gb
[13:25] <xubuntu427> on acer aspire one
[13:25] <GridCube> xubuntu427, the installer ask you if you want to install alongside your other os, then takes care of all the work, just be sure to backup important data before starting
[13:26] <xubuntu427> there is no data :)
[13:26] <xubuntu427> only 150 Gb unpartitioned
[13:26] <xubuntu427> now im asking how to divide?
[13:26] <xubuntu427> 50:50?
[13:27] <xubuntu427> half ntfs and half fat32?
[13:27] <knome> depends on your needs. do you need to share files a lot? how much are you going to use windows and xubuntu?
[13:28] <xubuntu427> im trying to learn to use linux
[13:28] <xubuntu427> windows is for media and arduino
[13:29] <knome> how much would be enough space for your windows installation?
[13:31] <GridCube> if its xp 30gb its more than ennough
[13:32] <xubuntu427> what os is better to install first?
[13:32] <GridCube> xp
[13:33] <xubuntu427> ok
[13:33] <GridCube> xubuntu427, read the links i pasted you
[13:33] <xubuntu427> im reading
[13:34] <xubuntu427> xbunt and ubuntu is no diference?
[13:35] <knome> xubuntu427, in this case, no difference
[13:35] <GridCube> ^^^ what knome said
[13:37] <xubuntu427> can xbuntu read ntfs partition?
[13:37] <GridCube> yes
[13:45] <xubuntu427> so i decided... ill make 60 Gb windows partition and install windows.
[13:45] <GridCube> if you are making partitions now, make already the swap partition too
[13:46] <GridCube> give it twice your ram minimum
[13:48] <xubuntu427> im makeing them with windows installer
[13:48] <xubuntu427> i dont think ill be able to do more than 1 for windows
[13:48] <GridCube> that wont work good though
[13:48] <xubuntu427> ?
[13:48] <xubuntu427> why?
[13:49] <GridCube> because windows doesnt play well with other OS's
[13:49] <GridCube> you should make you partition with gparted, or from windows use a third party partitioning tool
[13:50] <xubuntu427> i have nothiong on computer
[13:51] <xubuntu427> all i have is 1x usb win xp
[13:51] <xubuntu427> and 1x usb xbuntu
[13:51] <GridCube> well, that should do it then :)
[13:51] <GridCube> the xubuntu one does have gparted on it
[13:51] <GridCube> :D
[13:51] <xubuntu427> hehe
[13:52] <torax> just wondering about swap, that it should be twice your ram
[13:56] <xubuntu427> so i make another usb drive with ubuntu and i make partitions
[13:57] <xubuntu427> so they look like this?  C: 58Gb , D: 90, E: 2Gb (swap)
[13:58] <holstein> to windows?
[13:59] <holstein> i wouldnt use windows to create the linux partition
[13:59] <holstein> i would use gparted from a live CD
[13:59] <holstein> or, just make free empty space in windows if you prefer and use the installer to create the partitions
[13:59] <xubuntu427> so i just run windows instalation and make one partition 60 gb install windows?
[14:00] <holstein> xubuntu427: depends on what you want
[14:00] <torax> xubuntu427: you can make all the partitions in live CD
[14:01] <GridCube> xubuntu427, as said, use gparted from the xubuntu installer first, then just let windows install in its partition
[14:01] <holstein> if you are new to linux, i would just make free space and let the installer just use the empty space
[14:06] <xubuntu427> jeah, i tried that, and it just installed over windows :)
[14:06] <holstein> xubuntu427: it?
[14:07] <holstein> xubuntu427: "it" just does what you ask.. if you ask the installer to use the entire disk, it will
[14:07] <xubuntu427> yeah, i marked alongside option
[14:07] <holstein> xubuntu427: what are you trying to do?
[14:07] <xubuntu427> dual boot xbuntu/win xp
[14:08] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[14:08] <xubuntu427> i have 150 gb unpartitioned
[14:08] <holstein> xubuntu427: i usually just install windows, first, leaving empty space, then install linux
[14:08] <holstein> if windows is already installed, i just shrink the ntfs partition to reclaim the space
[14:09] <holstein> xubuntu427: you might have a scenario with grub didnt "see" or "find" the winows install.. i usually run 'sudo update-grub' and all is well
[14:09] <xubuntu427> i wanted to do that but someone said that i better do partitions with gparted
[14:09] <holstein> xubuntu427: theres a different in "it just installed over windows", and "grub didnt automatically make a windows entry
[14:10] <holstein> xubuntu427: sure... what i would *not* do, is make linux partitions with windows
[14:10] <xubuntu427> so my windows are still somwhere?
[14:10] <holstein> xubuntu427: i dont know what your system is like, but if you didnt install over the ntfs partition, then its there
[14:10] <holstein> the installer did what you asked it to do
[14:11] <holstein> !grub is a nice resource
[14:11] <holstein> !grub
[14:11] <Pici> holstein: will ignore
[14:11] <knome> Pici, :)
[14:12] <holstein> Pici: sorry.. i joined to say i had messed that up :)
[14:12] <xubuntu427> !
[14:12] <xubuntu427> !grub
[18:42] <Grandpa_smasher> hey
[18:44] <Grandpa_smasher> im haveing wifi problems AR9484 aetheros, cant resolve servers 1/2 the time... is this driver or dns issue that can be fixed?
[18:44] <Grandpa_smasher> AR9485 i mean
[19:11] <craigbass1976> I shut the lid on my laptop.  When I open it back up, the password window is VERY dim.  AFter I type in the password, all of XFCE is dim.  If I go to a new login, that screen is bright, but once I login in agian I'm back at the dim password screen
[19:21] <craigbass1976> However, if I log out (using the dim screen after I've unlocked it) things are fine when I come back into a fresh XFCE.  Anyone run into this?  It used to happen to me every once in a while, but the girl who owns the laptop now seems to have it happening more often.
[19:23] <tim___> hi whats a good music program to just listen to music with?
[19:27] <tim___> anyone?
[19:30] <skellat> tim___: VLC
[19:35] <craigbass1976> tim___, yes, vlc.
[19:47] <sobiwankenobi> hello i was wondering if anyone could help me figure out some issues i am having with the xubuntu install
[19:48] <sobiwankenobi> anybody online?
[19:48] <pAt__> sobiwankenobi, don't ask to ask, pls just ask and wait patiently and see if somebody will answer.
[19:51] <sobiwankenobi> just checking pat, not to familiar with irc
[19:52] <pAt__> ok, no problem sobiwankenobi
[19:52] <pAt__> just explain your problems in detail and wait a while
[19:58] <sobiwankenobi> sure, i am attempting to install xubuntu 12.10 in virtualbox on my windows 7 machine. the installation runs smoothly until I reach the point where I need to create my user name and password. at this point i cannot type anything into the fields. i am able to use the mouse just fine, but the keyboard does not work
[20:23] <Cheri703> sobiwankenobi: perhaps make sure virtualbox is capturing the keyboard properly?
[20:28] <the_guy> Im looking for a good music playing program that will organize a big volume of music and allow me to edit the tags
[20:28] <Cheri703> Might check out amarok? I like it. :)
[20:29] <the_guy> ill try that :)
[20:30] <sobiwankenobi> thank you for the suggestion, vbox says the keyboard is captured, judging by the icon on the bottom right, but when i run the live session of xubuntu from the iso i cannot use the keyboard either so clearly there is a disconnect somewhere
[20:30] <Cheri703> hmm...at the top right do you have the accessibility icon? like a blue circle with a  white guy in it?
[20:31] <Cheri703> might be able to turn on the on-screen keyboard to get through the setup then troubleshoot from there?
[20:31] <sobiwankenobi> that would be great
[20:31] <sobiwankenobi> its not on the top but perhaps i can find it in the launcher
[20:31] <Cheri703> ah, yeah, if it's live booted first
[20:32] <Cheri703> it'd be accessories > onboard
[20:32] <Guest17345> how do I access xubuntu documentation?
[20:32] <Cheri703> if it's laid out how it is once installed
[20:32] <Cheri703> or under "accessibility" if you have that
[20:32] <Cheri703> but the keyboard is called "onboard"
[20:32] <sobiwankenobi> ok great thanks a lot cheri
[20:32] <Cheri703> sure!
[20:34] <sobiwankenobi> you are a hero, the onscreen keyboard works hopefully i can fix the real problem once xubuntu is fully installed
[20:34] <Cheri703> \o/
[20:34] <Cheri703> good luck!
[20:35] <Guest17345> how do I add a directory to my PATH?
[20:35] <Guest17345> i'm reading alot of contradictary information on internet when it comes to xubuntz
[20:36] <Guest17345> some places it says add to .profile
[20:36] <Guest17345> on others it says at to bashrc
[20:36] <Unit193> You can add PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin  to .bashrc for example, or just export it.
[20:36] <the_guy> cheri703, one other question any idea how to get me screen brightness adjustment back on an aspire one acer netbook?
[20:37] <the_guy> my*
[20:37] <Cheri703> that one is out of my league :) I just switched to xubuntu from vanilla ubuntu on thursday. Some stuff I can help with, others not quite. ;)
[20:37] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  what does   echo $SHELL   return in a terminal ?
[20:38] <the_guy> okay.
[20:38] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, bin/bash
[20:38] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  I'd use .bash_profile then
[20:39] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, where can i find the file?
[20:39] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, Is the syntax PATH=$PATH:(directory)?
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  if it's not in /home/you then you can make it yourself
[20:40] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  I use   [[ -d ~/.bin ]]     && PATH=~/.bin:"${PATH}"
[20:42] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, thanks you wouldn't know any book or page that would teach me how to understand this exacly because i'm very unfamiliar with the bash environment etc?
[20:43] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, the code you gave me is shell script right, would that be a good place to start actually learn shellscript?
[20:43] <Guest17345> or if anyone else has some answer sorry well_laid_lawn don't want to jump all over you with questions
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345: see if this gets you started -  http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/start
[20:45] <Guest17345> thanks man
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> a shell script is just a file with terminal commands in it that is made executable
[20:47] <Guest17345> ok
[20:50] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, this is the directory, you think you could just write down how you would do it, for me? : /usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux
[20:52] <Guest17345> i'm sorry i'm just completly unfamiliar with these commands and I hate writing something without understanding a minimum about it
[20:53] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  sure. something like   [[ -d /usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux ]] && PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux:"${PATH}"
[20:53] <well_laid_lawn> you'll have to logout and back in to check if edits to .bash_profile are working
[20:54] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, awesome thank you very much
[20:55] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[20:55] <skellat> BOOOOOO
[20:55] <Guest17345> yes it works
[20:55] <skellat> Librarians should not have this sort of power in the United States
[20:56] <skellat> Dang it, wrong screen
[20:56]  * skellat runs away sheepishly
[21:10] <chrisc___> How do I mount an nfs directory to a directory /logs if there are active processes writing data to the directory? Would I need to init to a different level or maybe kill the processes, rename the folder to save current data, then mount the nfs to /logs, then restart? Would this work?
[21:19] <TheSheep> chrisc___: no need for that
[21:19] <TheSheep> chrisc___: the processes that have open handle for files in the underlying directory will just still have those handles open
[21:20] <TheSheep> chrisc___: and will write to those files as if nothing happend
[21:20] <TheSheep> chrisc___: and the when they try to open new files, they will open the ones from the mounted directory
[21:21] <TheSheep> chrisc___: usually you can send them the USR1 signal to make them close their log files and reopen them without terminating them
[21:21] <TheSheep> (depends on the program though)
[21:21] <chrisc___> I used logs as an example. In fact the proceses are bro, elsa, tcpdump, and some others.
[21:22] <TheSheep> well, as long as they not close and repone the files, they will just have the old files open
[21:22] <TheSheep> reopen*
[21:23] <chrisc___> I still don't follow. The FAQ of the application says that logs are stored in /nsm and that two ways to store on a different mount point are to 1) mount a separate drive to /nsm or 2) make /nsm a symlink to the new logging location.
[21:24] <chrisc___> Method 2 in the FAQ says that to avoid AppArmor issues there needs to be mods madein the usr.sbin.mysqld & tcpdump files copying the nsm line. But I can't find the nsm line in the files. So...
[21:24] <chrisc___> How do I perform method 1?
[21:24] <TheSheep> I have no idea about apparmor
[21:24] <TheSheep> never needed to mess with it
[21:24] <chrisc___> neither do i ;)
[21:25] <TheSheep> !apparmor
[21:25] <TheSheep> perhaps that will have any helpful information :(
[21:25] <chrisc___> But I've done nfs mounts before but never to directory that is actively being used.
[21:26] <TheSheep> chrisc___: it doesn't matter, it just works
[21:26] <TheSheep> chrisc___: like, it covers up that directory, but anything that had anything open there still keeps it
[21:26] <chrisc___> Ok. going at it now
[21:32] <sobiwankenobi> all i have to say is virtualbox is very sketchy software
[21:35] <torax> how so ?
[21:42] <sobiwankenobi> i have just had a lot of difficulty installing xubuntu in it
[21:48] <torax> sobiwankenobi: I have never had any problems installing anything in virtualbox
[21:52] <sobiwankenobi> idk what the problem is, but the keyboard stopped working mid install
[21:53] <knome> got to agree with torax, i've installed xubuntu times and times in vbox, and haven't had any problems
[21:53] <sobiwankenobi> maybe i just need to try it again
[21:54] <sobiwankenobi> when you guys created the vm the first time did you choose "ubuntu" as the operating system?
[21:55] <Cheri703> sobiwankenobi: what is the host OS?
[21:55] <Cheri703> I prefer VMware player whenever I can use it
[21:56] <Cheri703> also are you using the virtualbox that is completely free or the one you download from the virtualbox site?
[21:56] <Cheri703> that can make a difference
[21:57] <knome> Cheri703, only with usb and 3d support
[21:57] <knome> Cheri703, usb should work anyway, not just high-speed - that isn't the reason why keyboard is not working
[21:59] <Cheri703> I always had a variety of issues with vbox when I used the completely free version. Not just usb and 3d support. Just a variety of things that were glitchy. I still avoid vbox as much as possible, but I have to use it for work sometimes. On my home machines I opt for VMware Player instead. The ONLY issue I've had with it was when the linux kernel updated and I had to patch VMware Player. Beyond that it has been basically seamless use for a few
[21:59] <Cheri703> years now.
[22:00] <sobiwankenobi> host os is windows 7
[22:00] <knome> Cheri703, have you installed the guest additions?
[22:00] <Cheri703> yeah, I'd say try VMware player (it doesn't exist for mac, that's why I asked)
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> is VMware player free?
[22:01] <Cheri703> knome: yes, I tried literally everything I could and it still had issues. solving my problems from a long time ago isn't the topic at hand, getting sobiwankenobi a working Xubuntu VM is :)
[22:01] <Cheri703> yeah
[22:01] <Cheri703> yeah it's free
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> ok
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> i will try that out
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> thanks guys
[22:12] <sobiwankenobi> so far the installation process with vmware player is much smoother
[22:12] <Cheri703> \o/
[22:12] <sobiwankenobi> but im not counting my chickens till they are hatched lol
[22:16] <Cheri703> heh
[22:19] <Manny> Hi everyone - I need some assistance
[22:20] <sobiwankenobi> whats up manny
[22:20] <Guest15981> I am trying to download Xubuntu onto a 128G Flash drive
[22:21] <Guest15981> I have the torrent and downloaded uTorrent as the client
[22:21] <sobiwankenobi> ok, what is the problem
[22:23] <Guest15981> it says Error: Writetodisk: Access
[22:23] <Guest15981> in the uTorrent client
[22:24] <torax> Guest15981: please note there are other good torrent clients that are not adware.
[22:24] <torax> transmission for example
[22:24] <esph> transmission is very nice
[22:24] <Guest15981> ok so this will work better than uTorrent?
[22:25] <esph> works on all the major platorms (I think), too
[22:25] <torax> well, id say anything works better than software that installs ads without asking me
[22:25] <esph> platforms*
[22:25] <Guest15981> is it the client that I am using or did I download it wrong?  I saved the client to the flash drive, should I have saved the client to the PC?
[22:25] <Cheri703> Guest15981: you might try downloading the iso to your hard drive first
[22:26] <Guest15981> Ok thank you
[22:28] <sobiwankenobi> cheri, xubuntu 12.10 is up and running on vmware! thanks so much
[22:29] <esph> So I've got a new laptop here with a small mSATA SSD piggy-backing on a regular spinny drive, and I was wondering what y'all would think is the best way to utilize that fast storage (24GB worth)
[22:29] <esph> (I'm in the process of installing, btw. just got to the partitioning part)
[22:33] <torax> hmm, maybe use the 24 GB as / and the regular hdd as /home
[22:34] <torax> if 24GB is enough as / for you
[22:37] <knome> ssd should really be used as /
[22:37] <knome> that way you'll benefit the most out of it
[22:37] <esph> torax: this was my original thought, but I've also seen discussion about using it as a cache (which is how windows would use it)
[22:38] <knome> esph, how much ram do you have?
[22:38] <esph> 8GB
[22:38] <knome> do you think you'll ever need that?
[22:38] <knome> i mean, are you going to do operations that constantly require max. possible (over 8GB)
[22:39] <esph> knome: I mean like the kind of "smart cache" that windows would do with this SSD (there are linux utilities that offer similar functionality)
[22:39] <esph> putting some frequently used programs and data there, or whatever
[22:40] <knome> i believe if you mount the SSD as / and the HDD as /home, the smart cache utilities will use the SSD anyway
[22:41] <esph> They would have less freedom over what to put there in that case, though, since I've taken up at least half of the space by doing that
[22:41] <Cheri703> sobiwankenobi: awesome!
[22:41] <Cheri703> Glad to hear it :)
[22:42] <esph> but if you think putting root there is easily the best use, then I'll go for that
[22:42] <knome> that will speed up booting and running applications a lot
[22:42] <esph> right
[22:42] <knome> i'd definitely do that at least :)
[22:47] <entreri> hey there, I'm trying to install Chromium from Ubuntu Software Center, but I can't press the "Install" button, it just does nothing. Any ideas why ?
[22:50] <torax> entreri: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[22:52] <entreri> torax: sorry but I've asked from USC...
[22:53] <entreri> I want to fix my broken Ubuntu Software Center...
[22:53] <esph> knome: do I need to use the advanced partitioning tool to accomplish this?
[22:54] <knome> esph, probably, since you have two disks
[22:54] <esph> hmm, ok
[22:54] <esph> haven't been able to find a good guide for it
[22:54] <Cheri703> entreri: whenever something is behaving oddly like that, my first step is to reboot and try it again, just to make sure something else isn't affecting things
[22:54] <knome> esph, if you have questions, feel free to ask here
[22:55] <esph> I've partitioned several drives from the command line, but I'm not really sure what I should do here
[22:55] <knome> command line?
[22:55] <esph> shell
[22:55] <esph> *
[22:55] <esph> w/e
[22:55] <entreri> Cheri703: Well I did not reboot since I updated so I should try that
[22:55] <knome> esph, there should be an advanced tool with a gui
[22:55] <knome> esph, or are you using the alternate installer?
[22:56] <esph> regular installer
[22:56] <esph> I've seen the gui partitioner
[22:57] <entreri> Cheri703: but yeah, my "Install" button is greyed
[22:58] <esph> using the utilities I've used in the past, I'd know how to make sure / and /home ended up in the right places, but I'm not sure I'll do it right using this. I'm probably worrying to much, though.
[22:58] <knome> esph, if you don't have any data to lose, then you should just try :)
[22:58] <esph> I'm also not sure if the laptop will accept /boot being on the mSATA drive or not
[22:58] <knome> why not?
[22:58] <esph> sometimes they can be silly like that
[22:59] <esph> but I guess I'll try it
[22:59] <knome> esph, good luck!
[23:00] <esph> knome: thanks
[23:02] <esph> knome: does the bootloader that comes with Xubuntu need fat32?
[23:02] <esph> also, what size is it
[23:02] <knome> no, doesn't need fat. don't know about the actual size
[23:03] <esph> So, everything can be ext4 then?
[23:03] <knome> yes
[23:03] <esph> ok, cool
[23:11] <entreri_> hello, so the install button in "Ubuntu Software Center" is greyed out, I know what is the problem but I don't know how to solve it. The problem is that I would be able to install a software from USC if I have a "working internet connection", I'm connected with Bluetooth PAN and it seems that USC thinks I'm not connected to the internet, any ideas how to fix that ?
[23:22] <GridCube> entreri, its a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/911706
[23:22] <GridCube> entreri, just use synaptic
[23:26] <entreri> GridCube: thanks, nice to know it's high priority
[23:28] <GridCube> but really entreri just use synaptic or plain old apt-get