[00:01] coolthanks for the info [00:05] Hello, I am looking to install Xubuntu, it will be my first Linux based OS [00:05] I have a question on what I should download [00:05] Joe, what's your hardware? [00:06] oh and welcome! [00:06] I have found an old Dell Dimension 4600 and I am coming from nothing but Windows. I have 512 mb RAM and Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz and other than that, I have no idea what information is required haha [00:06] seems ok [00:06] you may want to consider lubuntu too [00:07] what kind of video? [00:07] although it will probably be fine [00:07] I was at an Ubuntu chat and they suggest Xubuntu as it should be able to handle it [00:07] Um one second let me check [00:07] here a good comparison [00:07] http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Lubuntu_vs_Xubuntu [00:07] Is it the video card you are asking for? [00:08] *graphics card [00:08] xubuntu looks good, looks better than lubuntu, but performance in lubuntu is prolly better [00:09] According to that my old tower meets the optimal specs for Xubuntu so I am probably just trying out Xubuntu first off [00:09] yes, xubuntu is a tiny bit resource heavy on graphics versus say lubuntu [00:09] fine [00:09] Joe, apt-get install unetbootin [00:09] I was in another chat earlier and they suggested Xubuntu to me and it's worth a shot [00:09] satanx, he doesn't have any OS on there now [00:10] Correct, I formatted the hard drive [00:10] what os you useing atm joe? [00:10] On what I wish to install I have no OS installed [00:10] so blank drive atm? [00:10] Correct [00:10] get 12.10 i386 [00:10] not the alternate install [00:11] Okay what is the difference between 12.04 alternate an d desktop? [00:11] you got another pc you can make a disk or something? [00:11] Yes, I can make a bootable flash drive [00:11] get desktop [00:11] Desktop is the iso file? [00:11] both are .iso files [00:11] if your dell 4600 can boot from the USB then use that [00:12] id try freebsd imo [00:12] Ah what is the difference? Because I am not sure how much hard drive space I have as I had to dig out an old one [00:12] Cheri703, sounds ilke your 3D graphics hardware is either not supported correctly or is broken [00:12] ugh freebsd has not much in the way of hardware support [00:12] genoobie, no that will run Xubuntu just fine [00:12] saltmiser, yes, but for the install his cdrom is prolly older [00:13] I wouldn't worry about that [00:13] meh [00:13] he only has to use the CDROM once [00:13] joe stay away from unity [00:13] yes [00:13] yes [00:13] no unity [00:13] away from unity [00:13] * saltmiser hisses [00:13] so the alternate install may not be a bad option [00:13] Okay will do. [00:13] if you don't mind text interfaces [00:13] and nCurses [00:13] he does [00:13] he will [00:13] What is the difference between alternate and desktop install? [00:13] it will be scary [00:13] Joe use the desktop [00:13] the alternate install will ask you a bunch of questions that you'll have no idea how to answer [00:13] doesn't desktop rely on unity for enviro? [00:13] 2nd that [00:13] not xubuntu [00:14] oh [00:14] not for xubuntu [00:14] But the alternate requires less free space and I am not sure how much I have currently [00:14] Joe, you're going to format the entire hard drive [00:14] interesting for lubuntu which is lighter, it uses unity [00:14] xubuntu uses xfce [00:14] you'll have plenty of space [00:14] Joe, you have enough disk space [00:14] you have at least 4gb probably [00:14] but you can add w/e ui u wish [00:14] It already is formated. It's from an old Windows 98 computer though so I'm limited :p [00:14] joe, the installer will re-format it [00:14] specifically for linux [00:15] linux uses different file system formats than windows, especially [00:15] everything is a file in linux [00:15] Okay I will try the Desktop version but if I do not have enough space I will try the alternate as well [00:15] joe, it you are a beginner linux useer... i would try ubuntu 10.04 first [00:15] a mouse, that's a file [00:15] :) [00:15] you will have enough space joe, do not worry [00:15] nah [00:15] 12.04 is prolly fine [00:15] satanx, stop playing satan that sounds ridiculous [00:15] I was suggested Xubuntu as it should run smoother on my Dimension 4600 [00:15] yes [00:16] because ubuntu uses unity [00:16] Joe xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10 [00:16] So 12.10 or 12.04 desktop version? [00:16] either version, doesn't matter [00:16] it's heavy [00:16] saltmiser, what should i play? [00:16] I use 12.10 I think [00:16] 12.10 has no problems here [00:16] Alright I'll try it with 12.10 first, thanks! [00:16] Joe, have it format the entire hard drive [00:16] yes [00:16] blow the whole thing out === satanx is now known as Mom_sex [00:16] Will it ask me that during install? [00:16] yes [00:16] saltmiser, better? [00:16] will he need to make his own swap? [00:17] Okay I will indeed do that. Thank you [00:17] no [00:17] autopartition will [00:17] or will the install take care of that [00:17] ok [00:17] lol [00:17] I remember when I used slackware for the first time [00:17] I must go for now, hwoever I should have time to install it within the week. Thank you for the asistance! === Mom_sex is now known as saltmiser2 [00:17] there [00:17] I remember partitioning for each /etc, /var and /tmp [00:17] it was ridiculous [00:17] yeah [00:17] freaking openbsd [00:18] you had to reinstall all the time so you wanted to keep data on another partition [00:18] whats wrong with bsd? [00:18] 2 questions:1. is there a way to change the clock to an hour ahead? 2. everytime i close my netbook and it goes to sleep I need to restart Xubuntu, is there any way to fix this? I am on am aspire one acer netbook. [00:18] timm goto poweroptions [00:19] okay ,saltmiser2 [00:20] bbl [00:20] er.. power mannagerment is what they call it [00:21] so i want to put when laptop lid closes suspend? salmiser2 [00:22] yes [00:22] okay thanks. [00:22] and then for the clock [00:22] one min [00:23] okay thanks [00:24] im not sure about that might need new applet, you need to google that [00:24] still looking [00:24] I just got it [00:25] right on good [00:25] system>time and date === saltmiser2 is now known as Nerkshank [00:25] from the main menu [00:25] good to know [00:26] yup [00:26] i guess this is how you learn [00:30] yep [00:32] question: why cant i upgrade to 12.XX [00:32] say i need to make cd? [00:34] please help http://pastebin.com/8ehSwXGW [01:03] nerkshank, no idea [01:03] hello [01:04] Nerkshank: It's looking for the CD because it thinks you're wanting to upgrade from a CD. Is there an option to do a network upgrade? [01:04] Or to upgrade from the Internet? [01:05] having trouble connecting to protected next [01:06] networks [01:07] can anyone help me [01:07] this started a couple days ago, after a update [01:09] anyone?? [01:09] jmm [01:09] What sort of "protection" do they employ? [01:09] well I don't use any of that [01:09] and indeed, what do you mean by protected? [01:10] Boom_Farmer, you were right cd-repositry was checked 4 some reason [01:10] wpa1/2 [01:13] xubuntu807,can you connect to the same network on the LAN? [01:14] I can, and I can also connecct when the network is open. [01:14] hmm [01:15] can you change the type of security on the network? [01:15] and see if that works, xubunutu807 [01:16] xubuntu807 [01:16] Ill try that. [01:17] and double check that you've got the right password [01:17] I have a quick question about Xubuntu. I read in Ubuntu there is an option to test and not install the OS. Does Xubuntu offer this as well? [01:18] Okay. [01:19] joe, yes if you burn it to a disk or flash drive it offers that opion [01:19] Yes, there are Xubuntu Live distributions, if you get the Desktop LiveCD or live thumb drive ISO. [01:19] Okay, thank you. And I have been looknig around and it seems quite simple to dual boot Xubuntu and Windows Vista, is that correct? [01:19] Hmm... Now it's saying that my wireless card is not managed. [01:20] Usually. [01:20] lol you got vista still [01:20] This is an old PC, I also ahve 7 and 8\ [01:20] I am looking to alternatives to my even older that ran Xp :p [01:20] i got a brand new hp i dont use it you want it [01:21] The 12.10 torrent download on the Xubuntu website offers the tes twithout install? [01:21] ersion [01:22] joe, the hardest part of running a daul boot of windows and ubuntu is resizing the windows storage partion [01:22] what is cmd to how linux version? [01:22] show* [01:22] To resize the Windows partition, boot into Windows and use Windows' tools to resize it. [01:22] Why is it difficult? [01:23] Nerkshank: either `cat /etc/issue` or `uname -a` [01:23] Okay thank you [01:23] uname ty [01:23] boom_farmer, I had a hell of a time resizing mine. [01:24] turrned out my partion was corrupt [01:24] have to disable pagesys files first [01:24] Boom_Farmer, its easy [01:24] remove those then resize, then add them back [01:24] you got windows loaded rigtht now? [01:25] ill walk u throught [01:25] urgh [01:26] has anyone used the alternate install? [01:26] anyhow the question is this [01:26] I had a linux on /sda3 that I want to blow out [01:26] I want to install xubuntu over it [01:27] what's the difference between "resuse partition" and use "entire partition"? [01:27] entire willl wipe everything [01:27] will wipe everything in the partition? [01:27] because that's OK [01:27] yes [01:27] I'm blowing out sda3 anyhow [01:28] what does "reuse" do then? [01:28] might try and recover some files [01:28] okay, gotcha, nah, full wipeout would be fine [01:28] if u want to wipe are fresh install to entire [01:29] would it reuse sda2 as my swap that I already ahve set up [01:29] i would make a 2nd swap for your new partition [01:29] 2-5gs or so [01:29] huh? [01:29] why? [01:30] how many hhd u working with? [01:30] one [01:30] only one OS at a time [01:30] the other is a windows OS [01:31] you might beable to get by with the one swap... dont qutoe me on that tho [01:31] do I want the bootable flag on or off [01:32] you have efu bios? [01:32] efi* [01:32] not sure [01:32] what is efi bios? [01:32] I don't think so... [01:32] make it bootable and grub should find windows for dual boot [01:32] !uefi [01:32] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [01:34] best to find a guide to help u install [01:35] i manged to do a dual boot last night, took me till 3:30AM [01:36] dod you install linux first then windows> [01:36] always install linux over windows [01:37] linux over windows, turned out my main partion was corrupt [01:37] i go it delt with [01:37] ya can be a pain [01:38] microsoft hates linux [01:41] In my opion linux is better [01:42] like i got so much support last night [01:42] service you cant get with windows [01:48] timm: You can get that service for Windows, it'll just cost you money. [01:48] but not that fast. [01:48] you come on here you get help in like 5 minutes [02:05] is there like a hardware manager for xubuntu... id like to see if my gtx660m driver is up to date [02:06] satanxx: Try XFCE Menu > Settings > Additional Drivers [02:08] no such options [02:12] Which version are you using? run `cat /etc/issue` in a terminal. [02:13] satanxx: additional drivers is in the "software sources" screen on xubuntu [02:13] so settings > software sources > additional drivers tab [02:13] on 12.10 at least [02:18] !list [02:18] satanxx: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [02:19] So is that why people say !list on joining. [02:24] Boom_Farmer, what type of computer you on? [02:25] timm: Xubuntu 12.04, probably upgraded to 12.04 from 11.10 by dist-upgrade, Intel i5 with discrete graphics. [02:26] desktop, or laptop? [02:27] timm: Yes. [02:27] it was an either or question [02:28] Both. It's a laptop, but it spends most of its time plugged into the wall and an external monitor. [02:30] oh, im on my netbook(xubuntu of course) never run this fast on windows ive got skype open and playing a video with only 73% RAM used up Boom_Farmer [02:31] 73% of how much? [02:31] 1 gig [02:31] I'm using about 4 GB (3.5GB RAM and then a bit of swap) but then I've had web browsers open for three days. [02:32] XD why [02:32] Because that's my use case? My computer idles overnight. And I use open tabs as reminders of projects. [02:34] so.... i got a nvidia gtx660m... i cant find correct drivers any suggestion? [02:34] i got 16g mem :p [02:36] satanxx: The latest Nvidia driver should work for you. Your card is listed as supported on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-310.32-driver.html [02:37] Alternately, just plug your card info in here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us [02:57] Hello, I currently have a problem in which I cannot connect to any wifi networks, regardless of security. This happened after I installed updates a few days ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [02:57] Is upgrading from XFCE 4.8 to 4.10 in 12.04 as simple as adding a ppa, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade? http://it-diary.com/tutorials/install-xfce-4-10-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin/ [02:57] xubuntu762: Can you see the networks? [02:58] I can see the networks, Boom_Farmer. [02:58] Do you currently have passwords listed for those networks? You might try deleting the setting for a network and re-adding it. [02:59] I do. deleting... [03:01] I had no results after re-adding. [03:01] Is it saving the settings correctly? [03:02] I would assume so; I never had a problem with it before. [03:03] open the settings dialog and check that things like the authentication and inner authentication match what you know about the network. [03:05] Alright, I have entered everything I know about the network... [03:11] Still nothing... [03:41] "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" [03:41] Make sure you saved the changes, then reboot and see if the changes stuck. [03:42] I have tried that. Even trying a USB wifi adapter doesn't work. [03:43] Change the settings to something you know is wrong, save them, and reboot. See if those changes stuck. [03:43] I'm wondering if the permissions are being saved. [03:45] Okay, I will try that. [03:47] The changes carried through. [03:48] how do I check what version of xubuntu I have? [03:48] Hello i jsut installed linux for the first time :) [03:52] xubuntu779: In a terminal, run: cat /etc/issue [03:52] i also need help xubuntu wont update any apps [03:53] Jeff_Williams: How are you trying to upfate? [03:54] the update manager [03:55] ok its staring to do something [03:55] hello im running an aspire one acer netbook and im wondering if i can dim the screen on it and how [03:55] on xbuntu [03:55] xubuntu016: Do the Fn+whatever keys work? [03:56] ok it told me to re start [03:56] olny for audio [03:56] only* [03:56] xubuntu016: Is there a small sun-like object in your bar? [03:57] nope. [03:58] Right click on the bar, click "Panel", "Add New Items", "Brightness plugin", "Add" [03:59] Any headway on the wifi problem? I wonder if it happened because of a recent update... [03:59] i dont see a brightness plugin or anything like that [04:00] xubuntu762: There's a chance. Check for more updates? [04:01] Everything is up to date, Boom_Farmer. [04:04] xubuntu016: sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies, then look again. [04:04] xubuntu762: I don't know what to tell you, then. Take it to ubuntuforums, perhaps. I'm not a dev, just a user. [04:05] Alright, thanks anyway. [04:05] Sorry I couldn't help you. [04:05] When you make your forum post, write down _everything_ you tried, to save you time. [04:06] Okay, thanks for the tip. At least ethernet works... [04:07] ok my i ask can i just do sudo apt-get install skype to download and install skype im still pretty new to this [04:12] Boom_farmer, from terminal? [04:14] installing [04:17] boom_farmer, nothing [04:44] help i cant open .jars it doesn't even have "Allow executing file as a program" in properties help D: [04:45] 1. Install the Java runtime environment if it is not already installed. 2. Double click on the jar file or use the command line java -jar (will only work for executable jar files. Not all jar files are executable) [04:47] i got this Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException [04:47] at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.checkHeadless(GraphicsEnvironment.java:173) [04:47] at java.awt.Window.(Window.java:477) [04:47] at java.awt.Frame.(Frame.java:419) [04:47] at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.(LauncherFrame.java:20) [04:47] at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.main(LauncherFrame.java:167) [04:47] at net.minecraft.MinecraftLauncher.main(MinecraftLauncher.java:13) Yes im trying to play mine craft :P [04:54] Jeff_Williams: Is this a fresh install of Minecraft? [04:59] yes it is [04:59] Try this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL [05:01] Yes it worked ty :) [05:01] \o/ [05:02] Now i can punch trees and mine diamonds :P [05:03] Minecraft runs alot better on linux :) [05:06] Yay for linux [05:07] im glad 2013 is the year for linux [05:15] Jeff_Williams: You may also want to look into Optifine, for performance and other enhancements: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-147-optifine-hd-b6-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and-much-more/ [05:16] True i should get optifine it will prob make it so i can record mc also :) === m00se is now known as Kehelekarakho === Kehelekarakho is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === moetuned is now known as moetunes [08:48] If i install enlightenment. Will it know to use EFM when using e17 and thunar when using xfce? And if i have torrents downloading can i continue them when switching between e17 and xfce [08:55] yes and depends on the torrent client [08:58] transmission [09:00] And if i download bunch of themes and icons, do they work on both? or do i have to download them separately [09:00] hi [09:03] Aknot: afaik E17 uses its own toolkit (i.e. neither Gtk nor Qt), so i don't think our themes would work there [09:03] but ive watched videos on utube where he uses gtk 3 stuff [09:04] can anyone tell me how to play blue ray videos..... i have vlc but it doesnot work properly with bue rays [09:04] Aknot: right, well you can ofc use gtk apps in a qt context or even in enlightenment, but i was referring to any E17 native stuff (if there is any, i have no clue really) [09:06] okok [09:16] he left :( [09:40] hi. i dont know why but since today no sund is being hearded. neither in audio or video. yuesterday was ok, but today nothing happens. youtube doesnt work, players, videos online/offline. my volume control seems to be ok. what can happened? thanks 4 helping. [09:40] "no sound" i wish to say [09:44] Juan_Moreno: check if it's not muted [09:44] Juan_Moreno: start xfce4-mixer and check both your hardware device and the pulseaudio playback [09:46] xfce4-mixer? [09:46] i have pulse audio voume control [09:47] i've dl it [09:47] let me see [09:53] nothng happened [09:56] TheSheep, nothing happened. dont know why, man. yesterday was everything okay. but today no sound. even on or offline, even video, audio or youtube sites for ex... dont really know what to do .. [09:57] TheSheep, nothing is muted, i have checked and unchecked somethings , change again and nothing.. [12:07] On youtube, if i use firefox its fine, but with chrome everything looks like its very bad quality. With kubuntu and chromium i didnt have this problem === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [13:24] can someone help me [13:24] ? [13:24] i wanna install win xp and xbuntu [13:24] !dualboot | xubuntu427 [13:24] xubuntu427: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [13:24] i have raw ntfs 150 Gb [13:25] on acer aspire one [13:25] xubuntu427, the installer ask you if you want to install alongside your other os, then takes care of all the work, just be sure to backup important data before starting [13:26] there is no data :) [13:26] only 150 Gb unpartitioned [13:26] now im asking how to divide? [13:26] 50:50? [13:27] half ntfs and half fat32? [13:27] depends on your needs. do you need to share files a lot? how much are you going to use windows and xubuntu? [13:28] im trying to learn to use linux [13:28] windows is for media and arduino [13:29] how much would be enough space for your windows installation? [13:31] if its xp 30gb its more than ennough [13:32] what os is better to install first? [13:32] xp [13:33] ok [13:33] xubuntu427, read the links i pasted you [13:33] im reading [13:34] xbunt and ubuntu is no diference? [13:35] xubuntu427, in this case, no difference [13:35] ^^^ what knome said [13:37] can xbuntu read ntfs partition? [13:37] yes [13:45] so i decided... ill make 60 Gb windows partition and install windows. [13:45] if you are making partitions now, make already the swap partition too [13:46] give it twice your ram minimum [13:48] im makeing them with windows installer [13:48] i dont think ill be able to do more than 1 for windows [13:48] that wont work good though [13:48] ? [13:48]