=== IboS_ is now known as IboS [05:35] does lubuntu have templates? [05:36] What type? [05:36] thedoctar: for what? [05:38] in pcmanfm, when you right click under the menu create new... [05:38] when I was using gnome, nautilus would have files located in ~/Templates in that menu [05:43] http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010#Add_Custom_File_Actions.2C_.22Send_to.22.2C_and_.22Create_New_Files.22_to_popup_menus_of_PCManFM.2FLibfm I'd guess a no? [05:45] Or http://www.mail-archive.com/pcmanfm-develop@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00471.html indicates it may be. :P [05:46] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3397302&group_id=156956&atid=801867 [05:46] it says here resolution:fixed for the feature request [05:47] but the templates thing doesn't work for me [05:47] I was wondering whether it was because the feature didn't exist or whether something is wrong with my computer [05:50] I'd test it if I had one. [05:51] if you had what? [05:59] themaster: I'd try asking in #lxde [06:10] okay === IboS_ is now known as IboS [13:33] should i be trying to start stuff upon login by using ~/.config/openbox/autostart ? tried it yesterday and nothing happened [14:01] How can i tell lubuntu not to hibernate, suspend or anyting like that, when i close the lid of my laptop? [14:01] Any help on this is kindly apreciated :) [14:02] i've found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid [14:02] but it need gconf, is there a solution for lxde too? [14:08] oh... it seems i found myself the answer looking in the menu :P for power settings [15:24] How do i change language of my Lubuntu installation? / or install language packs. The guide says Preferences->language support. but there is not a such voice in the menu [15:39] hi [15:40] powermi: hi [15:40] need help installing LUBUNTO on a powerPC [15:40] how can i get help? [15:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads/ [15:40] did you check this out? [15:41] yes [15:41] but cant find my problem [15:41] what kind of help do you need? what are you having trouble doing? [15:42] just try to install Lubuntu 12.10 on powermac g4, and afeter booting in live cd and charge the status bar in the blue screen there is a fast message coming saying : Stopping sistem [15:42] and few works more, but its to quickly to read [15:44] did you try the alternate install cd? [15:44] no, whats the diference? [15:44] now i am downloading it [15:46] it just has a blue/white install base for users that can't run the regular live cd. I always just skip to using it, because as I've found a faster install ttime [15:47] so you preffer aternate install? [15:47] is easy for a noob too? [15:47] i would do 12.04 [15:48] or older... ppc support will not be improving [15:48] 12.04 better than 12.10? [15:48] powermi: "better" is a matter of opinion.. you might find the ppc support better in 12.04, or 10.04 [15:49] ill try alternate 12.04 [15:49] lets see [15:49] thanks a lot [15:49] very helpfully [15:49] I run alternate 12.04 on one netbook, and 12.10 on another [15:49] both lubuntu [15:50] i like to try the live CD's.. i like to see the desktop first before installing [15:50] but the alternate iso's can be helpful too if you have issues [15:51] but its suppose that 12.10 shlould be better than the 04? [15:51] isnt it= [15:51] ? [15:51] powermi: "better" is a matter of opinion.. and hardware support [15:51] powermi: no.. nothing about 12.10 is "better" [15:51] the packages are newer... its newer.. its more recent [15:52] ok, i understand [15:52] powermi: if you need something from 12.10, you need to run 12.10.. otherwise, PPC support is going away... so you might have better luck with an earlier, arguably more supported release [15:52] fow a low end mac, do you recomend other linux distro? [15:52] powermi: actually, PPC support is not "going away".. its gone.. its not officially supported [15:53] powermi: i dont run X on mine [15:53] works great as a commandline only machine... a headless server [15:53] i recommend moving away from that hardware for a destkop ASAP [15:54] sorry but love my PPCs [15:54] especially these days when you can dig a comparable PC out of the trash [15:54] is a great arquitechture [15:54] powermi: you can, and most do... and they were great [15:54] powermi: again.. im not saying they are "bad" [15:54] powermi: im saying they are not supported [15:55] powermi: you will only have more and more trouble using them as desktop machines, and these days, you can dig comparable PC's out of the trash [15:55] ubuntuserver runs great on them [15:56] powermi: what are the specs on your ppc? [15:56] G4 [15:56] 773 mhz, 2 Gb RAM [15:56] lot os SATA disk and IDE [15:57] i have a stack of PC hardware comprarable to that that is going to the donation station [15:58] me too, have some PCs "better" than mi PPC [15:58] and give them away [15:58] i would choose a 12.04 LTS and try and get it up and running, and enjoy the EOL of that hardare.. or try running ubuntuser [15:58] thanks a lot mate [15:58] ppc support is not getting better.. it will only get worse [15:59] i'd set up a headless server like our resident guru suggested, I recently set up a server with lubuntu 12.10 through an ubuntu server install dual core, 8gb ram. It depends on what works for you. I was told it was a piece of crap, but is rock solid [16:02] mysteriousdaren: i can still get a lot done on my dual core with 8 gigs of ram... [16:03] is a powerPC? [16:03] no, but I recently installed lubuntu 12.10 on a ppc a few weeks ago, used the alternate install [16:04] ok tnaks [16:05] hostein: what are you running in it? [16:09] just music a torrent server [16:09] and use it for backup [16:10] powermi: you should be good to go [16:11] ? [17:47] how can I install (from cli) all packets that their name start with the same prefix, like packet0.10- ? [17:47] sudo apt-get install packet0.10-* does not work.. [17:49] vasilakisfil: i dont see those in the repos.. did you add a PPA? [17:49] haha its just an example [17:49] actually I want gstreamer0.10-* [17:51] sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-* looks like its going to work for me.. whats the error? [17:52] ➜ ~ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-.* [17:52] zsh: no matches found: gstreamer0.10-.* [17:52] oops sorry [17:52] anyway even without the dot I get the same error [17:53] vasilakisfil: do you have errors with sudo apt-get update ? [17:53] only gstreamer0.10-. worked for me [17:53] what errors should I have ? [17:53] vasilakisfil: none, ideally [17:54] Actually I don't have any error [17:54] vasilakisfil: im just trying to sort out why you are not able to use the wild card as i am [17:54] maybe due to zsh shell [17:54] you have bash I suppose ? [17:54] what did i do? i typed 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer', i hit the tab key... i used what was returned to create the wildcard i wanted [17:55] hyperair: i dont use zsh [17:55] ? [17:55] vasilakisfil: some talk of wildcards includes zsh here http://www.linux-mag.com/id/1528/ [17:55] hyperair: sorry... vasilakisfil ^^ [17:56] i don't use zsh either [17:56] my zsh is configured to refuse execution of the command when * is unexpanded. [17:56] so when i really need to pass * in as an argument, i use \* [17:57] perhaps that's what you need? [17:58] yeah \* works fine [17:59] oh and another thing [18:00] what are the chances i would accedentally ping hyperair for a relevant query :) [18:00] in lubuntu\s default imag viewer images are getting "chopped", is this a known bug ? [18:00] hah [18:00] vasilakisfil: chopped? [18:00] vasilakisfil: feel free and take a screenshot... [18:00] holstein: :-) [18:00] yeah good idea [18:02] http://postimage.org/gallery/26gs2508/e49ca613/ [18:02] weird [18:02] it happens 70% of the times [18:02] does that do that when not maximized? [18:03] well randomly but more often when I move forward to another image (or backwards) [18:03] so let me be clear on your answer: if the window is not maximized, does it do that at all? [18:03] I will install ubuntu's default image viewer to see what is happening there [18:04] it does it randomly which means even if it is not maximized or if I explicitely maximize the window [18:05] vasilakisfil: i can only say it doesnt do that for me [18:05] hehe [18:05] yeah i don't have that problem either [18:05] have you searched launchpad for a relevant bug? [18:05] vasilakisfil: i would try a few things... check for and apply upgrades... try as a different user (to remove your user config from the equation) try live CD's of whatever you might have sitting around.. try other graphics drivers [18:06] vasilakisfil: also, trying other image viewers as you suggeste [18:08] ok [18:13] only live usb remains to check [18:14] sounds like a new bug to fill [18:14] whether or not we have the problem, you do! [18:14] anyway, another image viewer is the only case in which images are shown properly [18:16] ok I will try live usb now.. [18:18] any idea why someone trying to boot to a live CD of lubuntu would get stuck on first loading screen - never makes it to installation/setup [18:18] ? [18:19] Flazer: sure... hardware support [18:19] Flazer: i would try nomodeset and the apci options [18:20] Hi! I'm trying to get my girlfriend's asus eee pc to be a little snappier with Lubuntu. Question: why is it slower from the hard drive than the live session? [18:20] hello all [18:20] anybody got any experience running lubuntu on a xSeries 235 Server [18:21] bparticle: configuration... the live was on USB and the install is on a spinning disc maybe.. [18:21] The live session is perfect, impressive really. And then I installed it, and nothing, absolutely nothing advanced... :( [18:21] I know. is there any special way to handle the hard drive? [18:21] bparticle: you can install to usb. maybe the hard drive is bad [18:22] bparticle: that's got an actual hard drive and not an ssd? [18:22] As that's the main difference I'm looking in that direction, but I'm hardly an expert [18:22] rpatton: should be just like running on any hardware...i would probably not run any X on a server, but you can, and LXDE would be a nice choice [18:22] I don't know really... it's the eee pc 1201ha. I should check that [18:22] bparticle: i would just check for and apply upgrades. maybe just give it some time.. [18:23] a LOT of time, believe me! Not really an improvement to Windows 7; hehe [18:23] nope it's a hard drive [18:23] weird [18:23] sata, too. shouldn't be too slow. [18:23] bparticle: i use ubuntu's routinely on EEE's [18:24] ditto that ‡ [18:24] oops [18:24] bparticle: i dont have any issues like you are reporting.. the constant is the hard drive [18:24] I tried the 12.10, and I heard 12.04 is a little faster, so that's my next move [18:24] bparticle: you could install to usb and test [18:24] darn i forgot the unicode for uparrow :) === lubuntu is now known as vasilakisfil [18:24] hey in live distro its ok [18:24] bparticle: 12.10 and 12.04 are similar in speed [18:24] one question is this: how are you measuring its speed, bparticle ? [18:24] damn [18:24] but I haven't updated it yet [18:25] bparticle: one could be noticably faster than the other depending on hardware support [18:25] 2gb of memory-- you should be blazing [18:25] by waiting for the cursor to advance when I move the mouse [18:25] it just sticks [18:25] bparticle: yikes [18:25] bparticle: what do i suggest? look for and apply upgrades... test the hard drive [18:25] bparticle: im on a comarable machine now.. and its not stickin.. and it doesnt stick when you are not using the hard drive [18:25] you should check resource usage. maybe you have something running and you don't realize it's hogging up resources. [18:26] comparable [18:26] i've run it on 512mb of memory and had no problems XD [18:26] nmon is a nice tool to see whats up.. i know my machine gets laggy due to the hard drive.. but not as bad as you report [18:26] so what would u run on a server [18:27] well, at least it all sounds hopefull [18:27] rpatton: what do you want to do with it? :) [18:27] rpatton: ubuntuserver... or minimal.. just not a desktop environment.. but LXDE is nice if you want/need X on a server [18:28] I'm just restarting into 12.04, crossing my fingers [18:28] bparticle: i would just do a test.. should take an hour or so, then you'll know [18:28] i dont know any cmds so i need the Graphical interface [18:28] rpatton: then, try lubuntu live, and see if it works for you [18:29] trying that now [18:29] i'd say a lot of services that you'd use on a server only use terminal so you should probably learn the CLI… [18:30] yeah.. wont hurt to have LXDE running, but thats not what you'll be doing if you are indeed running a server [18:30] if you are using a server as a desktop machine, then go for it [18:30] no live not working either [18:30] either way, lubuntu does what it does, and does it well [18:31] rpatton: you can try the same options i suggested above.. nomodeset, and the apci options [18:31] rpatton: what sort of machine are you using? [18:31] @holstein how do I use nmon? [18:32] 19:20 < rpatton> anybody got any experience running lubuntu on a xSeries 235 Server [18:32] bparticle: i did 'sudo apt-get install nmon' then i typed 'nmon' and ran the monitor for what i wanted to monitor [18:32] man nmon ← :) [18:33] rpatton: what exactly is happening that it's not working? [18:33] if its a blank screen its likely some graphics driver issue that 'nomodeset' would work out [18:34] @holstein: ok, and are there particular figures I am interested in? Or something that I can report back here, or on the forum? [18:34] i can't tell what the gpu is on that thing [18:34] bparticle: look at maybe cpu and memory usage and if anything is using a major portion of it [18:34] bparticle: i should think you are interested in wht figures relating to "why is my girlfriends computer running slow" [18:35] great, that gets me on the way :) [18:35] bparticle: i think its fair to start with the hard drive, since the live CD is not using the hard drive, and i have literally 4 of those machines with no such issues [18:35] but I must say, so far 12.04 looks far snappier than 12.10! [18:35] bparticle: from usb? [18:35] no, hard drive [18:36] bparticle: could be a driver related to that hardware from 12.10 i suppose [18:36] i dont run 12.10 on anything other than for testing here and there [18:36] of course then I still have to fix the video thing. I had to restart lightdm [18:36] what "video thing"? [18:37] ehm. the gma500 thing [18:37] started with a black screen [18:37] i believe the technical term is thingy [18:37] exactly [18:37] !thingy [18:37] 1037 [ubottu(ubottu@ubuntu/bot/ubottu)] Sorry, I don't know anything about thingy [18:38] :) [18:38] hello [18:38] poulsbo driver, this netbook has a history of bad suport for its video hardware [18:39] ew [18:39] another unrelated question. I want to use cairo dock and it's asking me if I want to enable openGl. What is the best option performance wise? [18:41] hey patton [18:41] bparticle: http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class00/hunter/V.A.html [18:41] I'm not interested in exploding moving around icons with lots of whistles and bells, just want a nice launcher and dock, minimal but stylish [18:41] rpatton: what exactly is happening that it's not working? [18:41] if its a blank screen its likely some graphics driver issue that 'nomodeset' would work out [18:41] that's what you missed when you timed out [18:42] bparticle: i would try other composition options.. such as not having compositing [18:42] bparticle: that is a *key* difference as well.. the live USB has no compositing.. if you enable and hack 3d support on unsupported hardware, that could also slow things down [18:42] bparticle: i would try *not* using that dock [18:43] with teh gma500 did you look at this page? does this help any? [18:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo [18:44] I set up xcompmgr with cairo-dock in the live session and that worked brilliantly actually [18:45] bparticle: and in the install that was "slow" ? [18:45] i use xcompmrg as well, when its not crashy [18:45] @Doc_exe: yes that helps, I found that page. thanks [18:45] holstein: speaking of compositing, have you tried that new compton ppa? [18:45] its not loading anything [18:46] wxl: not yet... i read it over, and got distracted [18:46] wont boot into any OS [18:46] rpatton: any os? it being what? [18:46] holstein: been kind of curious about it [18:46] @holstein: the one that was slow, I didn't install anything, since the mouse didn't get even move properly [18:46] xSeries 235 Servers [18:46] rpatton: are you having any drive activity? [18:47] i got green lights on all hdds and cd dvd drives are working [18:47] dont know how i can verify activity [18:48] rpatton: you don't have an LED to signal drive activity? that's strange. i don't think i have a computer of any kind anywhre that lacks that. [18:48] bparticle: then, im still voting on the hard drive, or a package update, or lack of that created an issue [18:48] rpatton: what do you mean, no os is booting? [18:48] rpatton: what are you trying to boot? and how? [18:49] strangely, the 12.04 seems to work flawlessly [18:49] rpatton: might want to check available ram? since it makes a ram drive when booting up? [18:50] Doc_exe: that's a good call as it seems they inheriently come with 512 if i read correctly. still i can't see why that would keep it from at least booting grub. [18:50] i've had some low-ram machines that had trouble running ubiquity, but no problems with booting into the live environment. [18:50] rpatton: does the alternate install work? [18:50] rpatton: also, if this is a machine that just showed up, you might want a diagnostic disc such as the ultimate boot cd.. run some tests [18:51] i dont know what you mean by "no os boots" but if the hardware is bad, linux wont fix it [18:53] know where i can get a boot disk ? [18:53] rpatton: to boot what? [18:54] rpatton: i just suggested a disk that "boot".. the lubuntu iso boots as well [18:54] two of the 4 drives have an orange light as well as the green [18:54] rpatton: i would remove the drives and test a live CD [18:54] http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ [18:54] orange isn't a friend to anyone in the world of computers rpatton [18:54] usually, when i get a machine it that i know nothing about, i remove the drives and test the hardware [18:55] hahahahh Doc_exe [18:55] i test the ram, and listen to the fans and powersupply.. then i might put the drives in one at a time and test them [18:55] ultimate boot cd is a nice swiss army knife of tools [18:55] i like to do that so at anytime i can force the power off and not break anything [18:57] so remove all HDD and try to boot from cd [18:57] rpatton: no. do what makes you feel comfortable.. im just saying what i do with machines that i know nothing about [18:57] rpatton: another idea is i could trade you some functional desktop machine i have with your choice of software installed on it for that finnicky server XD [18:58] rpatton: you have a lot of variables there, and you are assuming "no os boots".. you could have bad memory, or *anything* [18:58] bad burn on disk [18:58] keyboard issue [18:58] etc. [18:59] should just give it to me. [19:13] hola [19:13] need help, [19:15] just intalled Lubuntu on a powermac g4 (powerpc) [19:15] but cant boot after this [19:15] just appears a white screen like no SO installed on [19:30] ATI MACH64 is coming up as the video controller in the config/setup utility [19:30] with 8128kb of memory [20:07] darn powermi [20:07] always leaving [20:10] rpatton: i see a bunch of old posts talking about problems with that video controller [20:10] that may be your caveat [20:12] Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in Xorg.conf may fix it [20:13] and here's the official bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-mach64/+bug/1077975 [20:13] Ubuntu bug 1077975 in xserver-xorg-video-mach64 (Ubuntu) "MACH64 video driver crashes with Mach 3D Rage Pro" [Undecided,New] [20:21] so if its a 12.10 bug will 12.04 work ? [20:22] not necessarily, but it's worth a shot [20:22] like i said there have been problems with that controller for several years now [20:22] whether or not they're show stoppers, i don't know [20:22] at the very least you can confirm that it IS broken in 12.04. [20:22] oops [20:22] 12.10 i mean [20:24] and how can i try that fix thats listed on the bug the No accel [20:24] just follow the instructions [20:24] i would say that its confirmed [20:25] of course if you can't boot at all, booting into rescue mode is kind of problematic :/ [20:25] that also assumes the system is installed [20:25] ya thats what i was wondering [20:26] so you could install the system probably by alternate install [20:26] but if i were you i'd try 12.04 first [20:26] so is there anyway to change drivers? [20:26] wouldnt hurt [20:26] not likely that will work well :) [20:37] thanks for the help ttyl [20:37] rpatton: good luck === negaduck_ is now known as negaduck === Noskcaj is now known as Noskcaj_afk