[09:33] ricotz, have you had any problems with monitor not going in to power saving/sleep? [09:33] only works when I force dpms with xset ;( [11:40] darkxst, seems not happening here too, just the "screensaver" turns on [15:27] ricotz, yeh, i have tried 3 different nvidia blobs and without xorg-edgers, nothing fixes it [15:27] wonder if its a bug in g-s-d [15:29] darkxst, yes, this is for sure g-s-d/g-c-c [15:40] ricotz, I guess I will investigate further tomorrow, there have been a heap of patches to the g-s-d power module, the last few weeks [15:41] darkxst, this is a problem with a runtime dependency on systemd [15:48] hmm ok [18:12] hi guys, if i want to beta test a bit i guess i have to upgrade from an installed 12.10 as there are no images of 13.04 yet? i ask bc i do not run 12.10 :) [18:14] ricotz: do you know if there's a path forward for ubuntu + systemd (even if mainstream ubuntu doesn't use it)? [18:35] atrus: the Ubuntu Foundations team doesn't want systemd in the Ubuntu repositories at this time, I suppose people could start a PPA if they want [18:39] ivanovnegro: you're welcome to try building your own image, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/iso-build-script [18:41] thanks jbicha [18:41] i am a debian guy, so did not found info but i see the home page is in work [18:55] special things for the new release? [18:55] looks fine so far what was included in 12.10 [18:55] vanilla, like that [19:06] ivanovnegro: we're using Ubuntu Software Center & Software Updater instead of the gpk tools by default in 13.04 [19:06] thanks, saw it right now, seems, good, package kit is meh :) [19:06] and gnome-panel is no longer included by default [19:06] will use only apt anyway [19:07] no need for the panel [19:07] here :) [19:07] we may use firefox instead of epiphany by default but I wanted to see how that would affect .iso size first [19:07] also good ;) [19:07] nice nice [19:08] there's a similar question about libreoffice instead of abiword/gnumeric but I'm less sure about that [19:09] so far, nice plans i have to say [19:09] sure, i use libre [19:09] shell runs nicely on my old intel lappy [19:09] but still 3.4 on sid [19:10] both 12.10 and 13.04 use 3.6 (although 3.6 is a bit more complete in 13.04) [19:10] that is the thing, 12.10 would be already an improvement for me :) [19:11] getting wheezy out the door is important of course [19:12] i know [19:12] but gnome on sid is sometimes tough for me [19:12] perhaps 3.8 will show up in unstable this spring instead of trying to push 3.6 there [19:13] wow [19:13] wait, you are in gnome debian, right? [19:14] that's not official, just a guess because wheezy still looks a month away and it might be easier to skip a transition [19:15] yes I help merge some of the Ubuntu stuff to Debian [19:15] ok ok [19:16] nice to talk to you and thanks for the info [19:16] will play a bit with the remix [19:16] i like what i see [19:17] off to go outside [19:19] * ivanovnegro is away: Away [20:53] ricotz, jbicha, my monitor power saving issues are fixed in g-s-d master, can we put a snapshot somewhere [21:08] darkxst, hmm, let's see [21:18] darkxst, will push it to ricotz/staging [21:18] ok [21:19] luckily it "only" needs newer gnome-desktop [21:19] darkxst: I think we would want a git snapshot of gnome-control-center then as it's good to keep those 2 in sync [21:20] jbicha, yes true [21:20] g-c-c has a few more dependencies, I wasn't sure how to package the libwacom update [21:20] jbicha, libwacom should be up2date now [21:20] we could revert the libwacom changes until we figure that out though... [21:21] was there an even newer release already? [21:22] oops I meant colord [21:22] I knew it was one of those panels I don't use ;) [21:24] i see [21:25] I should ping RAOF about it [21:26] yeah, please do if there is a new release [21:26] Requested 'colord >= 0.1.27' but version of colord is 0.1.23 [21:26] ;) [21:28] yeah 0.1.28 is the latest, maybe the problem was I needed a newer colord-gtk which is already fixed, I'll try building it again [21:41] ok it was that the patches didn't apply cleanly and I didn't know how to handle it [21:41] robert_ancell was the last to touch it so maybe he can fix it [22:05] jbicha, looks like a greater packaging change [22:05] but you can disable all packages [22:06] sure we can build w/o the patches for now for the PPA but it would be nice to just get the new version into raring directly [22:06] jbicha, what i am saying is the patches are obsolete or upstreamed [22:07] but you will need a libcolord-common package [22:07] for the new files [22:07] usr/share/colord/* [22:07] usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.freedesktop.ColorHelper.gschema.xml [22:08] and one new header usr/include/colord-1/colord-session/cd-session.h [22:14] jbicha, i guess i can push that package to staging too [22:18] ricotz: sure go for it [22:18] I wasn't sure about whether Ubuntu wanted those sane patches but whatever [22:20] jbicha, will be here https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+packages [22:22] gnome-desktop3 dropped a symbol so there might be another soname bump, or they just going to ignore it while this symbols wasnt suppose to be exported at all [22:33] jbicha, i won't upload g-c-c, i don't have time and some patches needs a refresh [22:37] darkxst, so does it work? [22:38] oh its built already? I will test [22:38] ;) [22:38] no g-c-c though [22:46] Wasn't there a Ubuntu 12.04 of this version?, and if so is it a Long Term release? [22:47] And is there a torrent for it? [22:48] http://ubuntu-gs-remix.sourceforge.net/p/home/ [22:48] See it says 12.04 [22:49] ricotz, yeh works [22:49] r4y, that was a different project [22:49] Ah, sorry I didn't know [22:49] Thank youfor the help [22:50] ricotz: ok I'll look at that tonight, thanks [22:51] darkxst, good [22:51] r4y, gnome-shell should work fine on the normal ubuntu 12.04 [22:51] jbicha, alright [22:52] jbicha, will put a tarball here http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/g-c-c [22:52] You mean the Ubuntu 12.04 with nity that has installable gnome-shell?, because I didn't like it [22:53] r4y, yes [22:53] r4y, change theme to 'Adwaita' [22:53] LOL, I am running Ubuntu 10.04 right now [22:55] http://imagebin.org/244727 [22:56] Nothing special but that's my current setup I like [22:58] r4y, I guess you might like the new classic mode that is coming then in g-s 3.8 http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-classic-not-classic-all/ [22:59] I should bookmark just in case TY for the link [23:00] derivatives often opt out of LTS-length support [23:02] What about that command?, I mean is it usable in the normal Ubuntu 12.04? [23:02] Or? [23:03] r4y, no [23:04] OK, so I would use the Ubuntu GNOME Shell Remix for this then? [23:05] Wait a minute [23:05] you said this is a different project [23:05] is this project without the word shell? [23:06] yeh [23:06] I don't understand the difference though [23:07] but classic mode is very new and still under development, if you are the type that sticks to LTS releases, then its probably best to wait [23:08] When you say wait, do you mean for normal Ubuntu 14.04 when it is released? or? [23:08] I am sorry, lol [23:10] OK< wait for classic to get better, not for Ubuntu 14 I am guessing [23:10] r4y, yes atleast wait for gnome-shell 3.8 release [23:10] Ah, TY [23:13] I think I understand now, thank you very much for the help