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| infinity | xnox: Do you have a full d-i checkout you can grep for me? | 16:30 |
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| infinity | cjwatson: Or you? | 16:30 |
| xnox | infinity: sure. | 16:30 |
| * infinity is trying to figure out what evil perpetrates the /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy hack. | 16:30 | |
| xnox | hmm.... | 16:31 |
| * xnox has debian d-i checkout and only partial ubuntu one. grepping debian one. | 16:31 | |
| infinity | Debian should be fine, it comes from there. | 16:31 |
| infinity | It was tbm who added it long ago, apparently. | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | I do | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | base-installer IIRC | 16:32 |
| infinity | But damned if I can sort out what component. | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 16:32 |
| infinity | Ah-ha. Thanks. | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | My memory of d-i is a pretty good grep substitute :) | 16:32 |
| infinity | It's a bit disturbing, really. | 16:32 |
| infinity | Do you remember things like your parents' names, or your own shoe size? | 16:32 |
| xnox | base-installer/library.sh | 16:32 |
| xnox | cjwatson: beats ack-grep --shell driver-policy | 16:33 |
| infinity | Right, so THAT's the source of the "crypt root no workie on ARM" bug. | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | infinity: birthdays are always the killer for me ... | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | thank google for calendars | 16:34 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Going to v-done my initramfs-tools upload after some back and forth with a user. | 16:34 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Who installed in expert mode on x86 and intentionally chose 'dep'. :P | 16:34 |
| infinity | cjwatson: So, he's all fixed up now. | 16:34 |
| infinity | cjwatson: And the ARM portion of those bugs is this base-installer default, not initramfs-tools. | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | fair enough | 16:35 |
| infinity | I wonder if I should bother changing the base-installer thing, or just tell QA to preseed the value they want. | 16:36 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Feel free to promote that one whenever. We need it to not regress cryptroot on the lts-quantal kernels. | 16:40 |
| infinity | (Or any early boot keyboard support) | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | which, initramfs-tools? | 16:41 |
| infinity | Yeah. | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | bug 1066376 is still open in raring, I see | 16:41 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1066376 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "keyboard doesn't work to enter password with panda and encrypted partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066376 | 16:41 |
| infinity | Lies. | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | Ah, heh, OK :) | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | Promoted | 16:42 |
| infinity | It was reopened when it failed to fix the ARM issue, which is actually the base-installer thing. | 16:43 |
| infinity | So, yeah. Tasks twiddled, all good now. | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | sigh ... bug 1109029 | 16:44 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1109029 in udev (Ubuntu) "Depend on linux-initramfs-tools" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1109029 | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | do we plan to ever support dracut ? | 16:44 |
| infinity | Some day, we may bend to the pressure and switch. That day isn't today. | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | yeah, and surely not this release | 16:45 |
| xnox | I think the day we run upstrat in initramfs is closer. | 16:45 |
| xnox | I think the day we run upstart in initramfs is closer. | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | though i guess we'll inherit from debian here nontheless | 16:45 |
| infinity | maks is getting closer to throwing his hands in the air and ditching initramfs-tools upstream and joining the dark side. | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | shudder | 16:45 |
| infinity | xnox: I'm still really not sure I grasp the drive for event-based-initramfs. | 16:46 |
| infinity | I mean, if initramfs had to do anything more complex than "mount a filesystem", maybe. But the whole point is to get in and out as quickly as possible. | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | well, execpt that they arent anymore for just mount filesystem | 16:47 |
| infinity | I have a feeling it's one of those specs that started out as a drunken joke. | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | +a | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | you have decryption crap, lvm, raid ... | 16:47 |
| xnox | infinity: true. So it's to fix the bug of arbitrary nested filesystems case, e.g. lvm's LUKS and RAID-1+0 | 16:47 |
| infinity | ogra_: Eh, I dunno. The primary prupose is still to find and mount root. | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | evil console setups with cyrillic utf-8 | 16:47 |
| infinity | ogra_: crypt, lvm, raid, is all just finding and mounting root. | 16:48 |
| xnox | but I'm not sure what else we need it for. | 16:48 |
| infinity | xnox: I'm not sure I even understand how any of that needs upstart. We have udev. | 16:49 |
| ogra_ | infinity, well, thats for the day when we move the rootfs into initrd ;) | 16:49 |
| infinity | Besides, every time the initrd grows, ogra_ loses hair. | 16:50 |
| ogra_ | haha, yeah | 16:50 |
| xnox | infinity: so the problem with udev is timeouts. you cannot launch get_luks_password() and wait for to return. | 16:50 |
| infinity | xnox: But you can ask udev to launch it for you when all the bits are in place. | 16:50 |
| xnox | because udev have something like 30s timeout & there was something of udev not being able to communicate with plymouth/tty | 16:50 |
| ogra_ | "Marking as high as this bug makes dracut impossible to install." | 16:51 |
| infinity | xnox: Layering upstart on top of udev when your entire usecase is "waiting for devices" is adding complexity where you don't need it. | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | *sigh* | 16:51 |
| xnox | infinity: true. | 16:51 |
| infinity | xnox: udev's really, really good at waiting for devices and triggering on events. | 16:51 |
| xnox | yeah, not so good at waiting for user input and/or have global timeout, e.g. "i give up we have broken system" | 16:51 |
| xnox | aka no root found.... | 16:52 |
| infinity | That's okay, mountall is a little TOO good at that. :P | 16:52 |
| xnox | infinity: but I see your point, we can totally make this work with udev alone and enough tinkering. | 16:52 |
| xnox | infinity: =DDDDDDDDDD | 16:52 |
| * infinity shakes his fist at complaints about /tmp every third boot. | 16:52 | |
| infinity | I DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE /tmp YOU SILLY THING. | 16:52 |
| xnox | yeah, I'm confused about those /tmp. | 16:53 |
| ogra_ | get one then ! | 16:53 |
| xnox | slangasek is not in this channel.... | 16:53 |
| infinity | xnox: Good, then we can talk smack. | 16:53 |
| xnox | hehe =) | 16:53 |
| xnox | infinity: this channel is logged mind you ;-) | 16:53 |
| infinity | Sure, but then it's delayed smack. | 16:54 |
| xnox | "Lately, dracut gathered the ability to use systemd as process 1 in the initramfs. [3]" | 16:55 |
| infinity | Yeah, I'm not sure that makes it a good idea. | 16:55 |
| infinity | (I'm not saying it's an awful idea either, but it's unnecessary bloat on some platforms we happen to be paying lots of attention to lately) | 16:55 |
| xnox | there is also an os-release file specific to initramfs vs real-system | 16:56 |
| infinity | xnox: Yes, I noticed that. Signs that your implementation may be broken. | 16:59 |
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