=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:33] lol [01:33] if you do "forgot password" on rswww.com, and you don't have an account, it sends you a blank form email [01:34] "hello , your username is ." [08:23] Morning [08:25] o/ [08:35] Hullo earthlings one and all! [08:36] greetings oh TheOpenSourcerer one [08:36] :-) [08:37] moo [08:40] ack [08:55] morning people of earth this is your gimp : solarcloud_3srcn [08:56] Anyone into fishing ?? http://www.indiegogo.com/finaddictz/x/2125880 [08:57] $100k for fishing !!! [09:03] nice work if you can get it [09:07] did anyone else have their update manager (in raring) wait for user interaction today? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1108695 [09:07] Ubuntu bug 1108695 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "When dpkg-exec runs during an upgrade and requires user interaction, nothing is done to make the user aware of this." [Undecided,New] [09:14] Morning [09:19] morning daubers === lantizia is now known as Lantizia [10:17] If I see this, against what should I be filing a bug? http://avi.co/stuff/empathy_enter_account_settings.png [10:17] It doesn't look like it's part of empathy. Which reminds me, is there some other way to give empathy my Jabber details? I'm running low on working XMPP clients :) [10:18] gnome-online-accounts [10:18] IMO [10:19] Ah, now that I've uploaded a screenshot it's working... [10:19] ubuntu online accounts [10:19] well, it's getting one step further, now it's just refusing to maintain a connection.... [10:19] which is heavily forked [10:19] from gnome online accounts [10:20] Why do I need to "Authorise Ubuntu to access [my] Jabber account"? I just want Empathy to be able to use it. Or is that what it means? [10:20] Ah, even if I try that it disconnects and helpfully tells me "No reason specified" [10:21] at least it is honest [10:21] There's a huge number of problems that I'm having in 13.04 that were solved in about 2004. I'm really unconvinced by some of this 'progress' [10:21] computers are basically terrible [10:23] they used to be a good deal better. I'm a bit miffed at being in 'that' camp, but I'm really trying to work out what's better now... [10:24] http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html [10:24] good morning everyone, [10:24] Oh yeah, I still thing Gnome 3 was one big excuse to not fix NetworkManager [10:28] encrypted filesystems! That's one plus side. And the search-orientated DE is good, but it's a bit bad that Unity's broken alt-f2 a bit [10:28] computers are terrible [10:31] yeah, but they're made by people. They can't help but do what they're told, the poor things [11:23] Ahoy hoy [11:27] Morning all [11:50] popey: You reading the reading hackspace mailing list by any chance? [11:51] daubers: yeah [11:51] fun [11:51] popey: Tell me about it. I seriously should just throw a django forum together that also works as a mailinglist [11:52] Don't really want to get involved in that argument though [11:57] popey: Also, interesting fact. Reading Hackspace 2.0 may have a coworking area [11:57] interesting [11:58] Though there are some logistical and financial issues to overcome with relation to it [11:58] I can't remember if it was you or AlanBell that was interested in coworking spaces === gwd_ is now known as gwd-laptop [12:42] ok thanks [12:45] uhm [12:47] hows everyone ? [12:47] Amazing! [12:47] Actually, mildly annoyed at computers in general, but I've had a lot of coffee [12:47] computers are rubbish, they'll never catch on [12:48] +1 [12:48] lets all go and live in a commune in the forest [12:48] ooh, yes [12:48] I mean, if all these problems were fixed I wouldn't really have a job, but if *some* of them were fixed I'd have an easier one :) [12:49] I've made two saucepans of soup today and chicken n veg stir fry for 6 dinners [12:49] turns out not sleeping leads to cooking [12:49] i rediscovered old school rap music today [12:49] and only mildly frustrated at housemate for breaking washing machine and going ohh don't you just press the button harder [12:49] *wallop* no you don't [12:49] been rocking out to Big Daddy Kane. [12:50] popey: link? [12:50] spotify [12:50] czajkowski: that sounds super tasty, although the not-sleeping is always bad news [12:50] popey: ah I dont use that [12:50] to youtube [12:50] you need a chopstick to press in the hole that once was the button [12:50] its totally not PC [12:50] anyone use OBDII readers on their car to get diagnostic and other fun stuff? [12:51] wifey uses chopsticks to scratch her arm now it's in a plaster [12:51] mungbean: i heard someone talking about it recently.. might be marxjohnson or lauracowen [12:51] I hope ones that won't break :( [12:51] none have yet [12:51] also she should be careful not to break / irritate the skin [12:51] kind of bad if that happens underneath a cast [12:51] i borrowed one off a mate but didn't do the full job [12:51] not sure if my car or not [12:51] I used a 30cm ruler when I had my leg in plaster [12:52] seems to be a minefield, like finding out how to install CM on your phone [12:52] was a bit underwhelmed after installing android 4.1.2 on my tablet ..same as before mostly [12:52] lornajane: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/296239169741668352/photo/1 [12:52] was on CM9 previously [12:53] pffft, CM is so yesterday.. all the cool kids are putting Ubuntu Phone on their Android devices ;) [12:53] czajkowski: cooking is therapy, and that really does all look great :) [12:54] yup just waiting on a mate to pop over so we'll either have vegetable soup the larger one, or some butternut squash which I've gone mad on lately [12:54] jerusalem artichoke soup [12:54] it's the best. make it make it MAKE IT [12:55] corned beef hash time! [12:55] lornajane: how about we make it and box you up in it :) [12:55] not a lover of corned beef [12:55] ooo, not had corned beef for ages [12:59] would love ubuntu on my tablet [12:59] more ideal than the phone tbh [13:00] which tablet? [13:00] the HP one? [13:01] yesh [13:01] with ubuntu on it i could get a keyboard and have more powerful device than a big phone [13:02] I think you're describing a netbook [13:02] heh [13:03] what i really like is the asus transformer [13:04] overrated [13:04] +1 [13:04] running ubuntu 13.01 touchy terrapin would be great use case and would be my future laptop replacement [13:05] mungbean: get a nexus 7 plus the nice metal clip on keyboard if you want something like that [13:05] I have the thinkpad X220T with touch screen and swivel, it's nice [13:06] popey: u have a trnasformer right? [13:07] mungbean: i did, but not anymore [13:08] mungbean: http://bit.ly/VPXNob this one [13:09] davmor2: i've seen similar cases for ipad but none for my touchpad [13:09] need to test the TP with my friends ipad one [13:10] but yes, i like this [13:11] current tablet du jour here is the nexus 7 [13:12] I also have a SmartQ T20 and iPad 1. [13:16] * popey hugs Myrtti [13:21] whee, after a year watching locale error messages, I now finally decided to get rid of it [13:26] cool [13:27] I get an RPC error at shutdown, but havn't looked into whether I can get rid of it yet, as I don't look at the screen during shutdown very often. [13:28] yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay [13:28] You know when you lose those dongles that come with wireless mice? [13:28] I just dug an HP xe4100 laptop out of a drawer and there's one I've been looking for, in the USB port [13:28] there are wireless mice with dongles? [13:28] \o/ [13:28] there are [13:28] heh, nice one [13:28] most have them [13:28] why don't they just use Bluetooth, though? [13:29] ecause it's less faff not to, I'd guess [13:29] because bluetooth eats batteries [13:29] and you have no guarantee the device has bluetooth, so why not ship a dongle [13:29] this is exactly why I like my peripherals wired, they're harder to lose [13:29] (these aren't bluetooth) [13:29] i dont think this laptop has been booted in ~2 years [13:29] i have a wireless mouse thats not bt [13:29] some other hfreq [13:30] My presenter mouse has a tiny dongle that fits inside it. Other than that most things I have are wired, apart from my Apple trackpad, which is Bluetooth [13:31] heh, this windows xp partition has Firefox 3.5.15 on it [13:31] blast from the past [13:31] "v.3.5.15, released October 27th, 2010 [13:31] " [13:31] I wish I'd never given away my tiny mouse, it was rather handy for presnetations [13:31] guess what the first popup was when I connected it to the net was? [13:32] popey: Antivirus update? [13:32] you are using page with some insecure content? [13:33] install chrome? [13:33] nope [13:33] it looks like you're writing a letter? [13:33] hah [13:33] install ie8 [13:34] your browser is out of date? [13:34] well, thats try dwatkins and it did tell me when i opened ff, but what's the first thing that nagged me on windows login? [13:34] your OS is not legal? [13:34] haha, no [13:35] and I am offended you think it might be! ☺ [13:35] "You appear to be using an ancient and unsupported proprietary operating system, would you like to purchase Windows 8 or just download Ubuntu for free?" [13:35] windows changes its mind sometimes [13:35] popey: You're on XP still stupid install windows 8 now? [13:35] yeah, hardware changes can force a relicense [13:35] true dat [13:36] i used to use this daily on my commute, cracking little laptop [13:39] protip: windows 8 upgrade prices will more than double in 2 days' time [13:40] if you think you'll ever want it, buy today, not next week [13:40] \o/ [13:43] until the end of jan, win8 pro upgrades are £24.99 if downloaded. not 100% sure what the UK price will be on friday, but if the US pricing is an indication, then £125 [13:44] this is, of course, how microsoft have been able to claim to investors that they sold a record number of win8 licenses in 2012q4 [13:46] have an interview in a few minutes, since my job is going away to be replaced by a very simlar looking one :S [13:46] also, if you buy Windows 8, get the Windows Media Centre upgrade before 31st Jan for free [14:03] popey: did we get to the bottom of what the first popup was? [14:03] you did not [14:04] popey: there are updates this system will restart in 10......9..... [14:04] nope ☺ [14:04] popey: I still think it was av updates :D [14:06] nope [14:10] popey: No wait it was the anti virus annoucing you had a virus [14:16] popey: new hardware because it found the mouse [14:18] nope [14:18] popey: BSOD [14:18] your resolution is set to a default abysmal value? [14:18] I should put you out of your misery ☺ [14:19] this is fun ;) [14:19] ok [14:19] Come play "How Many Errors Can A Windows Machine Have?" on #ubuntu-uk.... [14:19] popey: minecraft has an update [14:19] hah, no way this can run minecraft [14:19] did it install the driver for the hard disk? [14:20] no new hardware [14:20] or simply tell you it had to reboot... [14:20] "just finished installing something, now reboot, even though you just did that" [14:20] popey: windows was not shut down properly did you want to report the issue? [14:22] it wasn't anything to do with windows itself [14:23] popey: 2010 you say was it a calendar popup for the lucid release party? [14:23] Steam is offline [14:23] haha [14:24] yeah steam recommends the use of Ubuntu would be the other one :D [14:24] "mplayer couldn't download an update, the website has been compromised" (I get this on my home PC) [14:24] davmor2: that would be amusing [14:25] popey: You have 3,000,000 unread messages in your inbox? [14:26] an advert for viagra? [14:26] bet if I post it on twitter someone will get it instantly ☺ [14:27] yeah, twitter has more users :-p [14:27] hah [14:28] so it wasn't a message from Windows [14:28] was it a message from an application? [14:29] popey: windows messenger couldn't connect or it has updated to skype [14:33] popey: there are possibly more windows users on twitter too :D [14:36] popey: would you like to join Google+? [14:39] are we even close, popey? [14:43] dwatkins: join G+? [14:43] I'm on it [14:44] popey: Was it you're using that ubuntu again aren't you and then xp strops off in a huff? [14:44] you're all wrong ☺ [14:46] popey: apparently you are late for the recording of UUPC season 3 episode 6? [14:51] popey: true, but you might have a secondary gmail account which you hadn't already G+ified [14:51] so, how wrong are we, popey? is it an application? [14:53] usually first nag messages are adobe, java, windows update, [14:53] and antivirus [14:53] all within 2 mins of boot :( [14:53] which is why my wife moved to ubuntu [14:54] it'll be the java 7 update with the complete breakage then I bet [15:02] Can't get a straight answer for this through trivial searching - monthly cost for a web host with 500Mbit/s bandwidth? [15:10] awilkins: a friend of mine linked me to this recently: http://www.lowendbox.com/ [15:10] finally davmor2 gets it [15:11] tada [15:11] popey: mungbean pointed me in the right direction [15:11] awilkins: this list might also be useful: http://www.top10webhosting.com/ [15:12] Heh, people throwing around requirements like "200 people should be able to download 500MB in less than 30 minutes simultaneously" === AndroUser is now known as twinsenx [15:17] has anyone got home server and setup a file creating/modification rule based on the existing Linux POSIX permission? [15:18] e.g. all the family member have read access to others folder, and all the file created or copied to the file server [15:18] will have default group [15:18] so all the others can read it [15:35] i have discovered that the usefulness of support you get in irc is related to your username. if you are called guest58585 then generally people are a bit ruder [15:38] bet you get faster answers if your name is "claire" [15:38] and probably more patronising ones [15:38] yaeh [15:39] present company excepted of course [15:41] bigcalm: so are you now officially a cat owner now ? [15:42] i am on sunday [15:42] caaaaaat [15:44] I'm a surrogate Skye/Sky owner I think, I have to show every image to my wife so keep up the good work popey :) === beetle_ is now known as woollyHat [16:26] davmor2: you could get your own cat ;) [16:28] MartijnVdS: we are in a block of council property between 2 main roads so it would have to be a house cat which we don't think is fair plus all the cleaning, plus the budgie plus if it got out it would likely get killed by the foxes/road/traintrack etc etc [16:29] davmor2: ok, that makes sense :) [16:35] Just for anyone interested #trisquel-dev , is having it first meeting in ages at 5pm UTC about the free O/S http://www.mail-archive.com/trisquel-devel@listas.trisquel.info/msg00671.html [16:35] what is it? [16:35] trisquel. [16:36] what is it? [16:36] www.trisquel.info [16:36] I already have a distribution for my home system [16:36] fine. [16:44] Seen this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3158 [16:44] 15,000 linux computers ;-) [16:44] good news :) [16:44] TheOpenSourcerer: + course materials [16:44] yeah [19:25] evening all [19:26] evening AlanBell [19:27] anyone tried broadway recently, which is putting gtk applications into a browser? [19:32] no, first time i have heard if it. [20:45] * AlanBell is upgrading to Raring [20:59] Hmm, anyone here familiar with sixaxis? I'm having issues [20:59] I plug my controller in, run sudo sixpair, it detects my controller, then I run sixad --start, it says press the PS button now, which I do [20:59] and then..nothing happens [21:03] Azelphur: any landlord news sir? [21:04] daftykins: a little, he finally sent out a plumber for the boiler and got that sorted, still leaving pretty much everything else however [21:05] =/ [21:05] not even any comments on it? [21:05] I pointed out the door on the washing machine was broken, so he said he'll just take the washing machine away today and I'll buy a new one, which was "nice" of him [21:05] but then he didn't even turn up to take it away, >.< [21:05] what a todger [21:05] nope [21:06] still got all the same issues pretty much, still ignoring everything [21:06] =[ [21:06] but at least he came out for the boiler so we are one step in the right direction, if I can just get him to sort out a letterbox I'll be happier [21:06] he shall be the first to die in our new world [21:06] not having a letterbox is frustrating as hell [21:07] you order something online, but you don't know when it's coming because most things are 3-5 days, you miss the delivery and they can't put the note through the door so you can't go and collect it. [21:08] why haven't you got one [21:08] how come [21:10] the simpler things [21:10] like a laptop without a battery [21:10] Klettbar: landlord keeps saying he'll do it and then doesn't [21:10] :< [21:10] they should sell bateeries and build laptops around them [21:11] maybe you can do it yourself and get a refund [21:11] proposing that you can [21:11] yea, we was going to go for legal advice on monday, but he turned up with a plumber on monday and actually made some progress [21:11] the plumber was really nice, the landlord had only scheduled him to fix the boiler [21:12] but I explained how I had a leaking radiator and tap that the landlord was being so troublesome about, so the plumber did those too (yay) [21:13] Azelphur: neat :D [21:14] my boiler had him stumped for ages, he took the entire thing apart and had to read the manual before we figured out what was going on [21:14] apparently after 19 hours it disables itself and doesn't turn on again unless you do a reset procedure [21:14] and because the radiator leaked, it depressurised and turned the thing off, by the time I figured out that it was off, 19 hours had already passed I guess [21:15] * AlanBell is on raring [21:15] plumbing is serious stuff [21:15] indeed \o/ [21:16] but yea, stuff is going wrong faster than it's getting fixed [21:16] welcome to houses [21:16] :/ [21:16] there's a pipe on the side of the building that has burst due to the cold weather now, it spews out water [21:16] funny enough right on top of the previous problem where the gutters are broken [21:17] so it's like, double waterfall [21:17] :O [21:17] what kind of pipe? [21:17] I'm not sure exactly, its not constantly flowing, maybe a drain from a sink or something. [21:18] you got any pics? that place sounds... rundown [21:18] I got a fun pic of the most recent issue [21:18] the oven went supernova [21:19] have you found out where the main valve is [21:19] to stop all input water in in case of [21:19] i knwo what i mean [21:19] I put some burgers in there, used an eggtimer so I knew what was going on, first 10 minutes were fine, over the next 5 minutes it literally turned into a smoke machine and filled the entire room [21:20] https://www.dropbox.com/s/icrftpaljdo5vvq/2013-01-28%2014.44.55.jpg?m [21:20] Klettbar: stopcock yeah :) [21:20] Klettbar: nope, perhaps I should do :P [21:20] whoa [21:20] first thing [21:20] teh save ass stopcock [21:20] that looks like some tiny ducting above the extractor fan, if that is one [21:21] how long did that take to clear? D: [21:21] daftykins: when I moved in the previous tenants had left a frying pan full of fat/oil in the oven, we cleaned it out properly, but I figure they somehow got oil inside the oven, so when the oven reaches full temp, boom. [21:21] a few hours. [21:21] a trap :( [21:21] indeed [21:22] perhaps to punish the sucky landlord [21:22] literally it did all that in a matter of minutes, I was coming down and checking on it every 5 minutes [21:22] what the best second hand laptop buy deal on ebay [21:22] is [21:22] changing topic [21:22] Klettbar: look for dell refurbs, there's lots on there that are pretty cheap and have warranty. [21:22] i've heard bad things about electronics on ebay [21:22] also, you might want to check the dell outlet, same thing. [21:23] I buy a lot of electronics from ebay [21:23] they say dell is not that reliable [21:23] Klettbar: you can quite safely find anyone to say anything is unreliable. [21:23] especially with laptop, everyone has a brand they hate [21:23] ranking [21:23] ^ +1 [21:23] panasonic [21:23] if you look for bad press you shall find [21:23] toshiba? [21:23] ibm? [21:23] i like hp [21:24] buying laptop is liek getting a girlfriend [21:24] you shoudl li? [21:24] no no [21:24] panasonic are sturdy but look a bit too cold [21:47] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21252362 [21:47] that's pretty ^_^ [21:58] same old same old from this pov (west coast ireland, pretty dependable blanket cloud coverage) [21:59] ah yeah you were in the Galway area weren't you? [21:59] yeah [22:00] there was a similar one last winter I think. and again the same great 'shield wall' of cloud [22:00] i'm in Guernsey so no snow here :< [22:01] I'm just jealous. I miss having seasons [22:01] hehe [22:01] is it that bad constantly over there? [22:02] it's pretty consistent. we tend to get a clearer spell around easter, and usually another in the summer [22:02] ouch [22:02] but I believe our driest month of the year is still 15 days precipitation [22:02] wow, how does anyone stay anything but miserable there? [22:03] alcohol :D [22:03] XD [22:04] you just get used to it I guess. like when I was in michigan, 4 months of snow was normal. 4 days cripples the UK, but when it's normal, you just ignore it and carry on [22:05] Anyone know how to get dualshock3's working in Ubuntu via bluetooth? [22:05] yeah i bet it's a laugh seeing the UK 'coping' :) [22:05] Azelphur: i see you tried xbmc which would've been my idea, i think some of those lot use the PS3 controllers as remotes, maybe the xbmc forum has something? [22:06] otherwise i was sure directhex or popey had played with one at some point on Linux perhaps 0o [22:06] daftykins: yea, I've tried lots of documentation and following guides and am just not getting anywhere :< [22:06] not I [22:06] I have GC and PS2 controllers on my PC [22:06] ooh-err, i tells a lie - apologies [22:06] ☺ [22:06] hehe [22:07] frustrating because sixpair sees it, but sixad won't see me pressing the PS button. [22:07] how wude [22:07] indeed [22:09] computers eh, sometimes i wonder why we bother ^_^ [22:09] i had a python-based driver for the ps3 remote (not pad) [22:15] ah-har [22:20] * solarcloud_3srcn ate too many chips tonite. Computing now seems pointless to him. Please encourage solarcloud_3scrn to get back on his little horse..... [22:23] we should all go and live in the forest [22:23] http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2013/01/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii/ [22:25] wow [22:26] very interesting read [22:26] and sad [22:28] I wonder if Radio would have corrupted them, if they'd had one ?? [22:30] There is a guy in czech that lives like that ... http://dudmanovi.cz/#&panel1-3 [22:55] tame the noble savage! [22:55] omg landscape why are you causing such regular disk activity =| [22:58] 'The family's principal entertainment, the Russian journalist Vasily Peskov noted, "was for everyone to recount their dreams."' - dreams can be pretty spectacular, though [22:58] I wonder if that's the case if you've been isolated from the world for four decades, though. [22:58] "i dreamed we had 940 lbs of potatoes. it was good." [22:59] ;) [22:59] haha, perhaps spectacular to them [22:59] i'd imagine they're far more creative than mine [22:59] i often dream of IM conversation =| [22:59] i see the text move upward as if watching a screen [22:59] I don't even remember my dreams very often, but some people I know have vivid dreams with exciting adventures. [22:59] daftykins, you're dreaming right now! [22:59] daftykins: that's not a dream, you just fell asleep on the keyboard ;) [23:00]