[00:00] NoTchTesT: if your looking for just basic, quick edits, clip a bad segment, re-align audio to video, that sort of stuff.. I recommend OpenShot, it's not very featureful, but it's pretty good [00:03] complete one [00:04] gartral [00:07] NoTchTesT: take a look at Cinelerra.. it's got a hell of a learning curve, but it's very powerful, if not very "pretty" === Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy [00:15] is there any way to get like 4 rakaracks [00:15] going [00:15] and only certain fequencys go to each [00:15] so I can get tone to midi to play chords [00:18] lol [00:45] Try with jackrack and some filter plugins. [00:49] Which irc-chat program would you recommend for simple, easy use, minimalistic space-usage and automatically connects to so an so channel? [00:55] sirriffsalot: quasselll [00:58] FloatingGoat, thanks! What do you think of the ootb xchat? [00:58] Ootb in terms of ubuntu studio that is [00:58] out of the box? [01:23] FloatingGoat, yeah [01:23] well i dont know [01:23] out of the box xchat is very basic, I had to get help on how to do certain things like saving channels and nicks etc [01:23] quassell just does i [01:23] it* [01:24] its very user friendly [01:25] FloatingGoat, goodie. So what makes you use xchat? If you are [01:26] Im not using anything [01:26] but if I were it would be quassell [01:26] You're just on the web? [01:26] in the web* is more appropriate perhaps ;D [01:27] yeah haha [01:29] ill brb === FloatingGoat_ is now known as FloatingGoat [01:30] there [01:30] now im good [01:30] Welcome back [01:30] Hehe [01:30] im on quassel now [01:31] Why haha [02:14] idk [02:35] Why does the start menu contain two launchers for Brasero (Video Production and Media Playback)? [02:50] idiot proofing my guess. you can use Main Menu (alacarte) to change that if you wish [02:53] ug, Ladi system tray doesn't seem to like starting a studio when jackd is or was running >.> [02:58] works if I kill jackd though [02:58] which is functional, so I'll take it [03:17] sirriffsalot, I think Brassero is on more than one menu because it fits two workflows. [03:18] Len-nb, yeah.. figured as much, felt somehow insulted by it though, hehe [03:19] I can inderstand. [03:20] There have been a few times though I have installed new software and made 4 or 5 tries looking for the thing in the menu. [03:21] tuples, jackd or jackdbus? [03:22] Laditray probably is trying to start jackdbus, it can't if jackd is running [03:22] Len-nb, I see. But the same applies to the interminable links to the ubuntu software center in the out of the box ubuntu studio 12.10.. [03:22] Len-nb, I mean.. come on? [03:22] Len-nb, they are in every single category! Haha [03:23] Each of them shows software relevant to the place where it is. [03:23] Even with a DVD sized ISO we can't include all the SW we want people to know about. [03:23] Really, I did not notice that.. Either way it is a tad bit too much in my opinion. At least I can remove it:) [03:24] Not every category, all ours though. [03:24] (plus office) [03:24] Len-nb, by the way, if I try to start jackd2 right after login it goes without a hitch, but if I have been using flash, vlc, or something like that, it fails. Is there any script you recommend I run to kill any process(es) that would prevent jackd from starting? [03:25] That is a pulseaudio bug. Fix is on the way. Are you using qjackctl to start jack? [03:26] (there is a workaround) [03:26] Qjackctl [03:26] But I've removed everything pulseaudio.. hehe [03:26] I stick to alsa [03:27] Hmm.. I am still seeing a pulseaudio o.O [03:27] Then I am not sure. Maybe GS doesn't release the device. [03:27] How could this be? [03:27] If I do $ ps -A that is [03:27] :) [03:28] Aaah [03:28] The gstreamer plugin [03:29] If PA is running that is it. [03:29] The GS plugin should release as soon as it is finished it's stream [03:30] Well it's curious.. I've removed the audio server.. [03:30] What the hell.. [03:30] PA respawns [03:30] Pulseaudio is installed [03:30] I removed it! [03:30] This is spooky [03:30] I recently did this though http://jackaudio.org/routing_flash [03:31] Would any of those packages include the re-installation of pulseaudio? [03:31] sirriffsalot, sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio* [03:31] cfhowlett, yeah.. was considering it. But now that things work as long as I can get jack up and running.. would this create other problems? [03:33] sirriffsalot, There is a work around for that problem if you like. [03:33] sirriffsalot, jack calls on PA for quite a few things so I'd think twice before purging/removing [03:33] Yeah, if I just kill the pulseaudio process I can start jackd [03:33] Len-nb: jackd and jackdbus are running [03:33] can't he just kill it in jack? [03:33] irc, that is what i did [03:34] Len-nb, what would that be? add the killall pulseaudio -9 command on the start of qjackctl? [03:34] I kill jackd, then start it in ladi with start studio [03:34] which seems to work [03:35] pulse audio configs set jack jack_out and in as default sinks [03:35] No. in the second tab there is room for scripts. [03:35] the one that runs just before jack starts can be: [03:36] pasuspender -- sleep 5 & [03:36] Makes pulse give up the port long enough that jack can grab it. [03:42] hmm [03:42] would that maybe explain why i have issues trying to patch calf plugins into the signalflow when i launch jack? [03:42] i don't run any script and simple don't enable the dbus [03:44] Len-nb, would you mind explaining that command in a little more detail? [03:46] What part are you missing? [03:47] pasuspender tells PA to release all the HW ports while it runs whatever is after the -- [03:47] sleep 5 runs for 5 sec (1 is enough on my setup) [03:48] during that time jackdbus starts and is able to grab the ports it wants. [03:48] Then pasuspender quits and pulse tries to grab whatever ports are available [03:49] the ports jack has are not available [03:49] as soon as jack stops and releases the ports it has pulse grabs them. [03:51] Oh, and the & tells pasuspender to run background so jackdbus can start in FG. [03:54] len would there be anything i could do to maybe get jack rack and/or calf to work nice with idjc and jack? [03:54] anytime i try and run them and patch them in i get all skippy and such [03:54] Should just work... [03:54] that is what i thought [03:54] Hmmm [03:54] maybe just my resource deprived machine then [03:54] Could be. [03:55] Have you watched cpu use with top? [03:55] The % in the jack window is just DSP not the whole machine cpu use. [03:55] my cpu use is almost always through the roof when i try that sf [03:55] not too bad with just jackd and idjc [03:56] but as soon as i add jackrack or calf... whamo [03:56] What machine? [03:57] P4 dual core 2.4 GHz on a waspd65 mobo with 2GB RAM [03:58] pretty old [03:58] That should work though. [03:58] What plugin are you using in jackrack? [03:58] i forget the command to check the kernel [03:58] i think it is the lowlatency though [03:59] * Len-nb has a 10 year old P4 2.4g machine. [03:59] uname -a [03:59] nope generic kernel [03:59] Len-nb, feel free to upgrade that box any day now! [04:00] I have mixed 16 tracks so far with no problem... why spend money? [04:00] len, don't recall specifically but was trying compressors [04:00] and it didn't seem to matter [04:00] any compressor and it did the same with calf [04:01] I haven't played with compressors much [04:01] Mostly I have done eq, reverb and box emulation. [04:01] reverb seems to work just fine [04:02] more or less, just looking for a compressor to save a step post processing with the live streams [04:03] but not too pressing, the G5 does the post production in about 30% less time [04:03] Most of the effects I add are for mixdown not tracking, so I set the latency higher. [04:04] (-p 1024) [04:04] i use this one with audacity for post production work [04:04] I track at -p 64 [04:04] http://theaudacitytopodcast.com/chriss-dynamic-compressor-plugin-for-audacity/ [04:04] just don't try the bass boost in it [04:05] How could you not use it... OK. [04:06] the developer is no more and, as of the last release, the bass boost was experimental [04:06] kids to bed brb [04:12] what latency are you using? [04:12] (in jack) [04:13] whatever the default is [04:13] i end up with 46.4 msec according to jackqt [04:13] I think 1024... sounds bout right [04:13] yup [04:13] just opened it [04:13] that is frames/period [04:14] Yes [04:14] realtime enabled [04:14] does jack tell you it actually started RT? [04:15] * Len-nb doesn't remember if jack can start RT with a generic kernel or not. [04:15] JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10 [04:15] Jack: Create non RT thread [04:16] Len-nb, sounds reasonable :) thanks for explaining! [04:17] sirriffsalot: len rawks don't he [04:17] JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 77 is what I get [04:17] Np [04:17] Hope it helps. [04:18] Lumpy, haven't heard his music, if any, but he sure is helpful and thorough :) [04:18] well i haven't heard his music either [04:18] Mostly quiet. [04:18] but thanks to him and others here [04:18] people can hear my stream [04:18] :) [04:18] The last bit I did had no drums even. [04:19] I am i bit more rowdy on stage though. [04:21] I enjoy the interaction between players and audience. [04:21] I find it hard to translate that to studio. [04:24] maybe i just didn't try the right compressor [04:26] jack says it is rolling in RT [04:27] i dunno len... seems fine now [04:28] running jackrack, two meterbridge, idjc, and only at 22% [04:28] Are you running pulse bridged in? [04:29] running calf compressor LADSPA, tried SC4, SC3 at different times during this chat and the most i have hit is 26 % [04:29] no [04:29] Or any audio from pulse? [04:29] i haven't tried that since holstein and you suggested killing it via dbus [04:30] i have no idea what i am doing different than on the previous attempts [04:30] OK, how are you adding ... I have forgotten whats called again [04:30] the program you use instead of skype [04:30] that wouldn't be it [04:30] it is teamspeak 3 [04:31] and i pull that in via another machine through my eternal mixer [04:31] ya that. I wouldn't think it would be just whatever you use to get into jack. [04:31] so as far as sf goes it is just line in [04:31] Ah. [04:31] although i would like to get that patched in as voip eventually [04:31] Good way to save cpu. [04:32] also is there any way to get jackdmp anymore? [04:32] or jack2 [04:32] something for multiprocessors? [04:32] jack2 = jackdmp [04:32] jack2 uses one thread for audio and two more for other things. [04:33] cpu went up to 32% when i connected to the stream but that is still nothing significant [04:34] nice to see it can work but i sure would like to know why it didn't on the previous two attempts [04:34] no xruns or anything this time [04:34] * Lumpy turns on logging [04:35] the DSP load isn't even 10 % [04:36] 0 xruns in 15 minutes of rolling (not all of those minutes connected to the stream) [04:36] not that being connected to the stream should really matter [04:36] it is behaving nothing like it did on my last two attempts [04:37] I'm less than 20% Streaming your audio from internet->audacious->pulse->jack->compressor-jack out. [04:38] latency 16ms [04:39] atom powered netbook running at 800mhz most of the time. [04:39] 6.34 msec according to status here [04:39] i am not connected to the remote server but that should be mute [04:40] my internal sound interface can't go that low. [04:40] -p128 is as low as jack will start. [04:40] i am going line in --> meterbridge -->jackrack --> meterbridge--> idjc [04:41] and i am using a SB live PCI for my card [04:42] i dunno [04:42] it seems just fine now [04:43] maybe it knows when i am live.. heh [04:44] and looking at the meters, listening through the cans, the compressor is deffinitely working [04:45] looks like you solve another problem for me len [04:45] how did you do that? [04:46] haven't the faintest. [04:46] how do i save this as a session? [04:46] i never did figure that one out yet [04:47] i never wanted another compressor until they changed idjc around [04:47] I have never been that good with sessions either [04:49] I am surprised IDJC doesn't support plugins natively. [04:50] I guess they feel they don't need to with all the stuff jack supports. [04:50] it had compression in some of the older builds [04:50] a nice one actually [04:51] i think i might use patchage to save the setup [04:51] it is all there nice and perty when i launch it [04:52] Sounds good. [04:52] that might not work either though [04:52] with the way meter bridge launches [04:53] but it will give me a nice schematic [04:53] oh boy... now i am getting excited [04:53] if i can keep the load this low [04:54] jack.plumbing might work. [04:54] i can pull my DX7 and DR5 into it [04:54] never heard of jack.plumbing [04:54] is that in by default or do i need to add it [04:54] jack.plumbing comes with jack.tools. [04:54] have to add it. [04:55] my GF is going to kill you len.. since you fixed this you know i am not going to bed anytime soon [04:55] :P [04:55] it runs as a deamon and connects things according to a rules file. [04:56] uses regular expressions for matching. [04:56] synaptic or terminal to add [04:57] either... sudo apt-get install jack.tools [04:57] I figured it must be getting late over there. [04:57] she is already passed out [04:58] she didn't make it through the news even [04:58] after midnight.... [04:58] she had her hand amputated and suffers bad from phantom pains [04:58] she was having a bad night tonight [04:58] 1 am in two minutes [04:58] I have heard of that. [04:59] installing tools via synaptic [04:59] My Yf is taking nursing right now sees a lot of things. [05:00] i was a medic.. i saw more than enough [05:00] She has been doing volunteer at the hospital for years [05:00] I can imagine [05:01] wait, you have autotune in studio now? [05:01] * Lumpy is gonna be a singer now.. heh [05:01] so how do i launch tools? [05:01] For about three releases at least [05:01] tools are all commandline. [05:02] type jack. and then hit tab for a list [05:02] well that is one of the down sides of studio... all the menus, you can just miss stuff [05:02] not a complaint, just sayin [05:02] I agree though. [05:03] Just think, without qjackctl, jack itself is CLI too. [05:03] nice... what is .dl, and .udp [05:03] .udp doesn't work well use netjack instead [05:04] dl dsp loader [05:04] i am giong to have to read up on these tools a bit [05:04] man jack.dl [05:04] looks like i need to create a config file or two before i can run plumbing [05:04] yes. [05:04] maybe another day... ;) [05:05] yeah, i will likely bork it if i try it in my current state [05:05] but, this looks like the exact ticket i want [05:06] i am going to put a postit on the monitor (screen) to remember to export my package list [05:07] looking at the man for plumbing though [05:07] if you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.raring [05:07] it will show you what we add on purpose. [05:08] Some of those things pull in other packages we don't expect. [05:08] the only thing that i see as any type of challenge would be the way meter bridge names each meter by it's process [05:08] but i am sure that is not much of a challenge [05:09] That is what regular expesions are for. [05:10] they allow you to spec a part of the name instead of all of it. [05:10] yeah but i am running two instances [05:10] the only way i tell em apart is by PID [05:10] use meterbridge -n first [05:10] and -n second [05:11] type meterbridge --help [05:11] * Lumpy puts n00b hat on [05:11] i wonder if i can do the same in idjc [05:11] (invalid but it prints usage anyway.) [05:12] man meterbridge works too [05:13] i just discovered that myself [05:13] isn't cli a lovely thing? [05:13] and i already answered another quesiton i was going to ask [05:13] * Len-nb started linux on slackware .8 or so al cli [05:13] i used to have a tshirt that said real hackers don't use mice [05:14] i still have one somewhere that says i void warrneties [05:14] wth is a jellyfish phase meter? [05:14] ?? [05:15] one of the meterbridge options [05:15] and if meterbridge can do ppm why did i install jmeter [05:15] or wait did i on this machine [05:15] ys but ?? anyway, IDK [05:17] Does -c 4 give 4 meters? [05:18] i am missing something when i type the command [05:18] type literally what you want me to try [05:19] or maybe we have to define each meter in the column [05:21] Ya, the default command line is: [05:21] /usr/bin/meterbridge -t vu alsa_pcm:playback_1 alsa_pcm:playback_2 [05:22] nice [05:22] real totally awesome nice! [05:22] i almost shouted loud enough to wake the kid and GF [05:23] so if you were to spec the the connections you wanted on the command line it should connect on start [05:23] Start with that number of meters [05:24] -c 2 would put 4 meters in two columns of two meters I think [05:26] len you rawk [05:26] thank you so much [05:26] and i can start it with ppm [05:27] so if i get the plumbing set up right... it would not take much to do a script shortcut right on the desktop to launch the entire kit and kaboodle [05:28] i bet ya i could launch idjc, meters, jack and even the folders i use to pull audio files from all in one shot [05:30] and you are dead on with the -c [05:30] try meterbridge -c 2 -t vu -n mybridge alsa_pcm:playback_1 alsacm:playback_2 alsa_pcm:playback_3 alsa_pcm:playback_4 [05:30] you prolly have [05:30] and so long as i set the plumbing up right, it would solve any PID issues and have the meters set where i want em [05:32] nicer yet [05:32] you really want me to shout and wake the kid eh? [05:32] :P [05:32] ;-) [05:33] On linux audio user there are a couple of blind guys who record music all CLI [05:33] They use nama [05:34] (LAU is a mailing list) [05:34] how do i sign up for that one [05:34] I have learnt a lot from LAU [05:35] i get a few audacity centric mailing list ones [05:36] you know, if i brush up on the cli, i bet you it would be pretty simple to launch everything, on the right workspace even, with one shell script [05:36] http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user [05:37] I don't know if xfce is good with doing the workspace thing. xvwm (I think) does [05:38] i have had no issues with the workspaces in xfce [05:39] I don't know if you can set up for certain apps to start in certain workspaces [05:39] i usually launch the jack stuff on one, set the meters to always on top and always on visble, and idjc and folders on another (I have two screens per workspace and four workspaces total) [05:39] well that would be easy enough to work about, [05:39] just do two short cuts [05:39] launch one [05:40] switch workspaces, and launch the second [05:40] as long as the first one launches jackd [05:40] fvwm (not xvwm) lets you default an app to always start in one workspace. [05:40] it should be seamless [05:40] Ya. [05:41] is fvwm installed with studio by default [05:41] No, fvwm is old school. [05:41] i have been autolaunching xfce since the day after i installed this 12.04 build [05:42] kk [05:42] before the first kde or gnome. [05:42] so if i installed it would it show as one of the options in the menu [05:42] wait is that what fedora uses? [05:43] There is still active development on fvwm. But I don't know if it would even see the system menu. [05:43] fedora prolly uses kde. [05:43] well i could still launch into terminal and just launch it there though [05:43] that is one of the nice things about nix [05:43] you can really tweak it [05:43] i haven't used fedora in ages [05:44] nor slackware for that matter [05:44] I never really wormed up to redhat. [05:44] currently i use mint, debian, lubuntu, xubuntu, tango and studio [05:44] I ran slackware from .8 to 12 [05:45] i think 9 is about where i left slack [05:45] and no, i did not care for redhat or BSD much [05:45] but they are great for servers [05:46] I was running SW on my server, but it is now ubuntu. [05:46] the only time i ever played with BSD was for a server in fact, for a church i attended [05:46] i like ubuntu server, though i still get lost in it because, until october, we used centos [05:46] our church doesn't do much with the internet [05:47] The pastor is facebook happy :P [05:47] * Len-nb doesn't use facebook [05:47] so even with us opening and closing and opening and closing all those meters [05:48] opening and closing all those compressors [05:48] 1 hour and 27 minutes rolling [05:48] 4 xruns total [05:48] I have more than that [05:48] the largest .095 msec [05:49] * Lumpy would still like to know what we fixed [05:49] My wireless gives me about 1 xrun per minute [05:50] If I unload the kernel module for my wireless I have no xruns. [05:50] No internet or chat either :) [05:51] if i load the nvidia kernel, which i don't think we can anymore, i would have gobs and gobs of em [05:51] Gotts go, time to spend time with my wife. :D [05:51] but arandr seems to work just fine without em anymore [05:51] i gotta get some sleep but i will let you know how this works out [05:52] thanks [05:52] from what i see it is going to be great [05:52] bye [05:52] thanks === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [06:14] How do I change the system wide fixed width font in Ubuntu Studio and why is this not made ridiculously obvious in the GUI? [06:15] googled this all over [06:15] i can change the font for some things in Appearance but not the system wide fixed width font [06:16] need to increase font size so i can read the terminal [06:16]