| micahg | ok, pushed up a branch which should hopefully make amd64 precise ISO size again | 04:48 |
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| micahg | *alternates | 04:48 |
| Unit193 | Alternates? | 04:48 |
| micahg | yeah, precise had them | 04:48 |
| Unit193 | Just noted, my bad. | 04:48 |
| micahg | knome: which of the following should I drop from i386 on precise: de fr bn hi zh-hans ja, not sure if I should go by size of population since we might have a lot of users in europe | 04:54 |
| micahg | everything else should be ISO size in the morning | 04:54 |
| micahg | knome: hrm, did we want the backport kernel on our ISOs? | 04:56 |
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| knome | micahg, i'd say your call | 10:12 |
| knome | micahg, are you on the xubuntu-users mailing list? | 10:12 |
| ochosi | micahg, knome, mr_pouit: i know we've (kinda) discussed this several times (and i feel the ML is not the right place), but aren't you getting tired of fighting with iso-size for a few mbs all the time? /just_sayin | 10:18 |
| knome | yes, but i don't think keeping precise SRU iso's is a matter for discussion | 10:21 |
| ochosi | i'm not really referring to that (ofc that's what triggered my comment) | 10:21 |
| knome | you might be right that it's not worth to try to target a CD for 14.04 | 10:23 |
| astraljava | I suppose if you're not wanting to target users with hardware incapable of booting from other media than optical. | 10:24 |
| ochosi | astraljava: dvds are also optical | 10:25 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Ok, sorry. Yes, that's true. I should have included the "and with limited bandwidth." | 10:25 |
| ochosi | well yeah, but limited bandwidth means you better order a cd/dvd anyway | 10:26 |
| astraljava | But then of course it depends on how much larger you wanna go. | 10:26 |
| ochosi | not sure 800mb vs. 1000mb is really the straw that breaks the camel's neck | 10:26 |
| ochosi | i'd go for a 1gb image | 10:26 |
| knome | no, definitely not | 10:26 |
| astraljava | That much, not really, no. But when you let yourself loose, who's to say how rapidly it begins to increase. | 10:27 |
| knome | i am. | 10:27 |
| ochosi | astraljava: no reason to do that ;) | 10:27 |
| astraljava | No, not really. But it happens. :) | 10:28 |
| ochosi | knome: personally i'd consider trying out 1gb image-size with 13.10, as it's not lts we could gather some feedback and decide what's best for 14.04 | 10:28 |
| knome | ochosi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/S/ISOSizeTransition | 10:41 |
| Unit193 | If we do that, should document how to use plop with Xubuntu, so they can boot from cd/iso of plop, then flash drive. | 10:56 |
| knome | at least nobody is stopping anybody doing that :) | 10:57 |
| ochosi | we can also document how to install xubuntu on top of xubuntu-server/minimal | 11:59 |
| ochosi | eer | 11:59 |
| ochosi | ubuntu-server | 11:59 |
| knome | doesn't help those with low bandwidth though | 12:00 |
| ochosi | well at some point they'll have to download packages | 12:01 |
| ochosi | whether before installing or after installing isn't that important imo | 12:01 |
| knome | sure. but you can't download packages as a torrent | 12:01 |
| ochosi | true, but i don't see how that is different from getting updates later on | 12:03 |
| astraljava | Someone ought to write a plugin for apt to do that. | 12:03 |
| ochosi | not sure, maybe there is a way to combine mirrors in a torrent-y way | 12:05 |
| micahg | knome: not on xubuntu-users, I guess if we get the quantal backport stack for free, it's not bad | 18:21 |
| micahg | ochosi: well, I'm not the XPL | 18:22 |
| Noskcaj | is there any reason why the 13.04 installer still says 12.10 when loading? | 20:06 |
| mr_pouit | I forgot to bump the version in the xubuntu-text plymouth theme | 20:10 |
| mr_pouit | (done now, thanks, will be part of the next xubuntu-artwork upload) | 20:11 |
| Noskcaj | next question, why is there no installer background? | 20:11 |
| Noskcaj | at least in Vbox | 20:11 |
| Noskcaj | sorry to keep question spamming but, for a "light" distro, why does bug 1087409 exist? | 20:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "*buntu dailys take 3 minutes to get to the next screen if install mp3 is selected." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087409 | 20:17 |
| xnox | Noskcaj: do you happen to have graphics cards that require proprietary drivers? or can have them? | 20:21 |
| Noskcaj | xnox, why? | 20:28 |
| micahg | xnox: does ubiquity wait to download the extra stuff? | 20:32 |
| Noskcaj | xnox, i'm just running it in a VM, so will the info still help? | 20:41 |
| xnox | Noskcaj: sure. see my comment on the bug report. it's best to get the output from the user who saw 3 minute delay. | 20:42 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 20:43 |
| xnox | Noskcaj: above command is just a theory as to why the next step is delayed. | 20:43 |
| xnox | it takes 11 second to run on my machine =/ but I don't know if it's parallelised or not | 20:43 |
| Noskcaj | it's more sometimes, it just seems to be that it loads something fairly big then, rather than in the install | 20:44 |
| Noskcaj | xnox, done | 20:58 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: maybe change the version output to be lsb_release based/ | 21:04 |
| xnox | Noskcaj: that's quite special =) I'm struggling to figure out how long it took in total. something like 1m21s? | 21:10 |
| Noskcaj | ok, the bug is universal, but only shows up on slow machines, you can guess why | 21:11 |
| Noskcaj | that's roughly how long | 21:11 |
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| mr_pouit | micahg: yeah, I know I should do that (but there's always someone to notice the version number and report it here so it's fine =) | 21:43 |
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| ochosi | micahg: yeah i know you're not. just didn't feel like pinging only knome | 22:58 |
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