[00:01] attente, ok, so I have some kind of issue here where gnome-settings won't load any panels, and also won't exit. if I click on the x, the window disappears for a second but then pops right back up, and if I try to click on any of the panels, none of them load [00:06] attente, `killall gnome-settings-daemon` made it go away... [00:08] attente, also, not reproducible. awesome [01:50] eep. === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [02:37] attente, does that sound like it could have been caused by your thing? not even sure what caused it [02:42] robru: i'm somewhat doubting it [02:42] attente, yeah, no idea. I was fiddling with deja-dup at the time, maybe it's mterry's fault ;-) [02:43] heh, enough blame to go around i suppose === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [04:58] Good morning [05:28] pitti: hi!! [05:28] pitti: coming to brussels? [05:28] heya desrt [05:28] desrt: I am, yes [05:29] cool :) [05:29] today or for the weekend? [05:30] desrt: Saturday morning only, I still have some stuff here this week [05:39] desrt: you are at the hackfest already? [05:40] ya [05:40] well [05:40] in the hotel now, a bit jetlagged [07:50] hi, does canonical have any plan to use mutter ? [07:53] sil2100: hi, quick question, could you paste the fixed code from yesterday in #ibus, where you were trying to get signals from ibus? I'm wondering if I could use something similar for unit testing my ibus engine :) [07:55] bochecha_: sure! [08:28] hey desktopers [08:41] hey seb128 ! [08:47] robru, hey "the man who never sleeps" ;-) [08:47] seb128, I wish that were true ;-) [08:47] More like "the man who sleeps at inconvenient times" ;-) [08:48] hehe, been there! ;-) [08:56] hello europeans! [08:56] your timezone is lovely!! [08:58] desrt, hey, glad you enjoy it ;-) [09:01] morning [09:06] Laney, hey, how are you? [09:07] seb128: Good thank you; just burning a 12.04 CD for a friend who had her Windows go belly up yesterday ;-) [09:07] how are you? [09:08] I'm good thanks [09:18] morning folks [09:28] I have set Chromium as default browser but Thunderbird is still opening web pages with Firefox. Is this a known bug? [09:32] update-manager correctly opens links with chromium though. === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ [10:14] good morning [10:15] chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? [10:15] seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks [10:15] how are you? [10:16] I'm good thanks [10:16] chrisccoulson, what are you hacking on today? ;-) [10:17] not sure just yet :) [10:17] do you have a work queue lined up already? ;) [10:19] chrisccoulson, there is a good pile of items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-arm-reduce-footprint [10:19] chrisccoulson, it's self service, feel free to grab some ;-) [10:35] hmmm, someone down my road must be stealing my bandwidth [10:35] only 5,075kB/s today [10:45] chrisccoulson http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html ? [10:45] chrisccoulson, do FF tests need more than 4GB of hard disk space? [10:46] jibel, they shouldn't do [10:48] chrisccoulson, to run the tests locally, checkout lp:auto-package-testing [10:49] jibel, thanks, taking a look now [10:49] chrisccoulson, there is a document USAGE.md that explains how to setup a sandbox and run the tests [10:50] chrisccoulson, basically once you've prepared the testbed you start the tests with: bin/run-adt-test -a amd64 -r raring -p ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa [10:50] and you wait === larsu is now known as Guest15091 [10:57] jibel, thanks. i'll give that a try [11:08] c++ symbols files are just pain [11:08] don't use .symbols with it... [11:09] that might be the correct solution ;-) [11:09] pkgkde-symbolshelper to the rescue [11:10] oh yeah, is that good? [11:10] i use it for libmozjs, although i have to admit, mbiebl did most of the work to set that up [11:11] and i can't remember off the top of my head how to do it, but it's quite simple [11:11] http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html [11:12] but but but... my amazing shell pipeline to demangle and sed it all into a working state [11:12] * Laney tries it :P [11:17] cyphermox, how the heck did you find out about the -J option for getty ? it doesnt seem to be documented anywhere (manpage, --help etc dont show it) [11:21] Laney, chrisccoulson: the most annoying part is when the mangling is slightly different between archs and your amd64 made .symbols fails the build on armfh [11:22] Laney, chrisccoulson: I think didrocks played with pkgkde-symbolshelper by then for unity stuff and just gave up at the end, there was always issues [11:24] seb128, yeah, i guess it's easier for libraries that don't change their public symbols a lot [11:25] jibel, if i provided test results in junit xml, would jenkins show failures without my test suite having to exit with a non-zero exit code? [11:30] chrisccoulson, publication of junit test results is not enabled for autopkgtest, but that's something we could add. [11:31] chrisccoulson, if FF testsuite already generates junit result files, I can do it for your PPA [11:32] jibel, i think there is only 1 test suite that currently is able to do that. i'd need to add support for the others [11:37] seb128: Is there any update on fixing bug 1105102 ? [11:37] Launchpad bug 1105102 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "dconf-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_builder_add_value()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1105102 [11:37] psivaa, no, is it an important issue? is that breaking any user? [11:38] psivaa, I see it in a guest session on login, it slows a bit login for new users but should break anything after that? [11:39] seb128: No. Only that its impacting a lot of users and it occurs regularly. [11:39] psivaa, how impact them (out of apport ui showing)? [11:41] * ogra_ hugs cyphermox ... just compiled brcm-patchram-plus from the NEW queue and my BT devices all seem to work fine ! [11:42] seb128: well I meant that it's being seen by a lot of users, i dont know how it would 'impact' for continuous usage though [11:43] psivaa, in any case it's a known issue and high on our list, desrt said he would look at it but he's travelling/at an hackfest this week [11:44] seb128: ok. thank you. [11:45] yw [11:48] jibel, ok, i need to implement junit support for the reftest and mochitest test suites. that shouldn't be too difficult to do [11:48] we'll get there eventually :) [11:50] chrisccoulson: what test runner are you using? [11:51] chrisccoulson: if you need junit output, and its python, there is a library I wrote - junitxml, in ubuntu or on pypi [11:51] chrisccoulson: if you have subunit, just pipe through subunit2junitxml [11:54] lifeless, ah, it's not using any standard test runner. it's the upstream firefox tests, which are all fairly mozilla specific [12:13] ogra_, ok i'll get you a new kernel with that third patch on [12:14] thx ! === jhernandez is now known as jhernandez|lunch [12:24] gema, fyi, i'm about to upload some finer grained config for cpufreq for the nexus7 today, you might want to do some comaprative measuring i guess :) [12:25] ogra_: ack, how do I go about that? [12:26] run whatever measurements you ran already and compare if the consumption is less or not ? [12:26] dunno ... [12:40] ogra_, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/master-next-nexus7/linux-image-3.1.10-9-nexus7_3.1.10-9.24~masternext201301301226_armhf.deb [12:44] apw, thanks, also could we switch from g_serial to g_composite with the next upload ? i have a tester in #ubuntu-arm who claims it works fine for him and we want serial as well as networking (for transfering files) on the OTG port [12:44] ogra_, i have no idea how to do that :) [12:44] apw, thats USB_CDC_COMPOSITE instead of USB_G_SERIAL [12:45] in the config [12:45] ogra_, i can get you a kernel with that to test, how can i test it [12:45] or ... can you test it :) [12:46] you should be able to use "screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200" from a PC when connected via USB ... and at the same time you should also see a usb0 device on that PC when connected [12:46] and yeah, i can indeed test it :) [12:46] usb0 of type 'network' in this case [12:46] right [12:46] that gadget driver porovides both at the same time [12:47] so in the future we could have a samba setup on the nexus so poeple can excange data [12:47] and at the same time still have serial debugging consoles [12:49] so as it is i do not have anything on ACM0 is that expected ? [12:49] hit enter [12:50] still nothing [12:50] hmm [12:50] works here, though i heard from people that had to log in blind [12:51] ogra_, is that ttyGS0 on the other end [12:51] right [12:51] you should see a getty in your processlist [12:52] one thats rather going wild atm (just uploaded a fix for it) [12:53] root 31119 1 0 09:42 ttyGS0 00:00:00 /sbin/getty 115200 ttyGS0 [12:53] root 31119 1 0 09:42 ttyGS0 00:00:00 /sbin/getty 115200 ttyGS0 [12:53] doesn't seem to be unhappy, not doing anything either [12:54] oh i have an ACM0 and ACM [12:54] ACM1, i wonder what 0 does [12:54] ACM0 is not my nexus, who knows what it _is_ [12:56] heh, intresting [12:56] probably a modem in your machine ? [12:57] ogra_, not one i know about ... but hey [12:57] heh [12:58] ogra_, ahhh it is my entropy key [13:08] ogra_, _COMPOSITE does not seem to exist [13:10] USB_CDC_COMPOSITE ... its a choice (radiobutton like) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:10] > Device Drivers │ [13:10] │ -> USB support (USB_SUPPORT [=y]) │ [13:10] │ -> USB Gadget Support (USB_GADGET [=y]) │ [13:10] │ -> USB Gadget Drivers ( [=y]) [13:10] thats what i get in editconfig searching for composite [13:10] ahh i missread, wazzock [13:10] u was kii [13:10] was looking for G_ [13:11] ah, heh [13:11] i wish we could build that as modules [13:12] but sadly the tegra hacks prevent us [13:12] so CDC_COMP... =y is needed, =m is not enough ? [13:13] right, somehow the power supply and battery drivers are tied deeply into the gardget code [13:13] and they require =y [13:14] sigh ... [13:14] with the right exports they could probabally all move =m [13:14] but ... [13:15] apw, testing the patch from above now ... what i just notice is that "Energy when full" in upower seems to be reset every boot instead of using a fixed value from the battery [13:15] so the 100% are actually a totally variable value [13:15] i suspect thats the reason for the jumpy behavior [13:16] apw, every bit that becomes a module gets me nearer to be able to pull plymouth into the initrd ... having them =m would be awesome [13:17] ogra_, why does it prevent plymouth? space ? [13:17] yep [13:18] my bootimg cant be beigger than 8M (kernel+initrd+header) [13:18] currently the kernel is 4.5M [13:18] and plymouth would turn my initrd into another 4.5M pile [13:26] ogra_, ok that does work, i get a TTY and USB0, but it really upsets NM [13:27] ogra_, network manager tries to connect to it immediatly [13:27] ogra_, is that really what we want to happen by default ? [13:27] nm is just cylcing over and over trying to connect [13:28] apw, well, it shouldnt do any harm to your existing connections and we can quieten NM by shipping some default IP setup on the nexus side i think [13:29] ok it does seemed to have given up finally after like 3 attempts [13:31] ogra_, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/master-next-nexus7/linux-image-3.1.10-9-nexus7_3.1.10-9.24~masternext201301301314_armhf.deb [13:31] ogra_, that should have the gadget change and the other battery thing (3rd patch) [13:31] great [13:31] ogra_, seems to work ish here [13:32] battery ? [13:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1093543/comments/24 [13:32] Ubuntu bug 1093543 in linux-nexus7 (Ubuntu) "Battery status behaves erratically" [High,Confirmed] [13:32] see my last comment [13:32] ogra_, that i ahve little idea how to test [13:32] i guess i found the issue [13:32] not sure yet who is at fault though [13:33] so if you reboot with a flat battery you get a teeny battery [13:33] ogra_, i may have seem a similar symptom on my laptop now i think about it [13:33] * ogra_ wonders when he will have worn out his boot partition on the n7 ... [13:33] if the battery is really empty it seems to be not-present for a bit [13:33] apw, right, it is always at 100% after boot [13:33] no matter how empty it is [13:33] ogra_, shorly before you order another one [13:33] heh [13:33] s/one/two [13:34] well, i bet others dont flash ten kernels a day [13:34] no, even i am averaging 5 [13:34] oh NM is back, it thinks it should retry, so i am getting OSDs [13:34] lovely [13:34] yeah [13:35] i guess we can just "ifconfig down usb0" on boot on the n7 [13:35] you can fire it up on demand === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:35] mru [13:36] have i mentioned i hate unity's focus handling [13:37] ogra_, indicator date-time is killing my N7 [13:37] datetime ? [13:37] how that ? [13:37] it may be just being shown cause the load is 14 on here [13:37] apport is now killing it [13:37] ps aux|grep evo [13:38] check if thats the old lightdm bug [13:38] nothing, but then it logged me out too [13:38] lightdm used to spawn an evo data-server process for its session in the past (though thats supposed to be fixed) [13:38] wow [13:38] havent had such stuff heer yet [13:38] *here [13:40] ogra_, ok it 'recovered' and is behabing normally now [13:40] ok [13:40] ogra_, and ifconfig usb0 down, removed "RUNNING" from my desktop and NM now things there is no cable [13:41] ifconfig usb0 down on the N7 end [13:41] ok, i'll add a, upstart job to keep it off on boot [13:41] swwet [13:41] ogra_, if you could test that kernel for me, and if you are happy i may well upload it [13:41] ogra_, unless you have anytyhing else you can think of [13:42] then we can have a user session upstart job later so you can switch filesharing via USB on and off in the UI :) [13:42] ogra_, oh, i guess we are waiting on the testing for the battery part too, ie. does it produce anything else [13:42] no, but it doesnt do any harm either i think [13:42] i'd say just upload away [13:42] i will be so popular, 3 kernels in 24 hours, and all with half the buildds dead [13:43] haha [13:43] well, we should poke our managers to have the next sprint prepared together with IS :) [13:43] yeah [13:44] ogra_, so i'll hold this till you check the gadget change works to your satisfaction [13:44] usb0 works fine :) [13:44] trying screen now [13:45] "indicator-datetime-service" closed unexpectedly, your computer does not have enough memory ... [13:45] so it cannot report it [13:46] have you been running anything that could eat all your ram ? [13:46] apw, serial is fine too [13:47] ogra_, that was a fresh login after rebooting to install the kernel, so nothing running other than the normal session bits [13:47] strange [13:47] something i recon i see about one login in 5 [13:47] ie that one is hugly longer than the others [13:47] though i am also cursed, if somethign can blow up, it will for me [13:50] chrisccoulson, seb128, Laney: pkgkde-symbolshelper is quite a help, but it's still painful [13:50] I am finding that [13:51] not sure again if I would mozjs again with symbols [13:51] given that they apparently change the soname with each release anyway :-) [13:52] Laney: I think Russ did a pretty good write-up of symbols files for C and C++ libraries [13:52] it just feels terribly brittle [13:53] I can make sure it works for the arches I have access too, but it will undoubtely fail to build on all the others [13:53] Laney: well, the idea of pkgkde-symbolshelper is to automate the process [13:53] of downloading the build logs and keeping the file updated semi-automatically [13:54] yep [13:54] still feels wasteful [13:54] found http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2012-01/008.html [13:55] yeah, that's the one [13:59] robru: Awake. Kid stuff for the next bit, then I'm back to get Panda working. I'm not sure I have a valid image file, or if I'm even dd-ing i correctly (udev may be getting in the way and reassigning devices halfway through). [13:59] AFK BRB LOL [13:59] qengho: robru: There's a valid raring daily today [13:59] Sweet. [14:04] sigh, -ETOOMANYRANDOMTESTFAILURES [14:04] what have i let myself in for? [14:05] jibel, i get less, but different test failures when i run it locally ;) [14:06] and now a pass on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ without me changing anything :) [14:06] ogra_, ok uploading now === dpm_ is now known as dpm__ === dpm is now known as dpm-laptop === dpm__ is now known as dpm [14:36] ogra_: for -J I went to look at the code [14:37] yeah, it doesn't seem to be documented, though I think --noclear might be equivalent [14:37] really evil that thats not documented anywhere [14:37] hehehe [14:37] I looked because I didn't understand what the characters it was writing were supposed to do [14:38] so while in the code... might as well look at the options right ? :) [14:38] cyphermox, do you see my question to stgraber in #ubuntu-devel backlog ? you might have a clever idea too (better than mine at least) [14:39] hmm [14:39] tbh, I'm not sure [14:39] oh [14:39] seb128: aren't you archive admin? [14:39] cyphermox, I am, why? [14:40] could you please review brcm-patchram-plus in the raring queue? [14:40] cyphermox, did that some hours ago? [14:40] ah sorry [14:40] no worry ;-) [14:40] I hadn't been fast enough to open up firefox to that page yet ;) [14:40] thanks! [14:40] yw! [14:41] ogra_: did you update ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 for it too? [14:41] cyphermox, i added a recommends [14:42] cool [14:42] so tomorrow's image is going to really rock :) [14:48] is there a way to tell metacity to always give focus to any windows that open? [14:49] i suspect at least some of these random firefox test failures are windows not getting focus :( [15:28] Hi guys is this the right place to query getting a new app into default apps like say an rss reader? [15:35] Hah. I have a directory, "/nonexistent". That seems like a bad sign. [15:37] qengho: interesting. i think that's the ~ of some system users... [15:38] I can imagine that leaking out of a package build [15:38] mtime 2012, owned by (current user) memcache. So werid. [15:39] Sorry, 2010, not 2012 [15:39] maybe some postinst script creating the memcache user accidentally forgot to use the supress-homedir-creation flag [15:40] desrt: You're probably right. That's ~memcache for true. [15:40] does it have the skel contents? [15:40] I feared I had written some test that needed a ENOENT for some weird reason. [15:41] No skel, desrt. [15:43] desrt, hey, any news of that dconf segfault? the qa guys are nervous about it, really... [15:43] Laney: do you have much confidence in that raring armhf daily you mentioned? [15:44] I haven't used any of the armhf dailies [15:44] the raring^ [15:44] but it is /supposed/ to work ... [15:46] Laney: Mine doesn't boot it. The daily from ~10 days ago at least splashed and dumped me to a cramfs shell, but this looks like it's not even bootstrapping. [15:46] desktop? how are you trying to interact with it? [15:47] Laney: interact? This early, I plug it in and watch the lights. [15:48] like, you have it connected to a monitor via HDMI/DVI and a keyboard/mouse? [15:48] I have HDMI and USB rotational drive and USB keyboard attached, usually, but I tried unplugging all. [15:49] I plug the SD card into this computer and see two partitions that look sane. [15:51] * Laney shines ogra_'s logo into the sky [15:51] yes ? [15:51] ogra_: hi. [15:51] ogra_: I'm trying to boot a raring image on a Pandaboard. I'm not having much luck so far. [15:52] ogra_: Do you know of a good image, first? [15:52] hm, i havent booted a panda since a while, how/where does it hang ? [15:54] seb128: lemme look [15:56] hey bryce, RAOF or mlankhorst , gema has a rather annoying bug. Any of you able to look at it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1015183 [15:56] Ubuntu bug 1015183 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent mouse events for Acer T231H multitouch monitor" [Medium,In progress] [15:57] ogra_: I have a SD card in the SD slot. I got image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-armhf+omap4.img.zsync [15:57] time for some exercise, be back in ~1h [15:57] zsync checksummed to verify. [15:57] right, and you dd'ed that to the SD [16:00] ogra_: yes. dd appeared to work. That image mounts and looks normal-ish on this computer. [16:00] ogra_: on Panda, which I got splash screen and cramfs shell with another image, now gets solid hearbeat and SD-access lights at power-on. [16:01] quenwell, sounds like the kernel hangs [16:01] qengho, ^^^ [16:02] ogra_: or never bootstraps at all, yes? [16:02] qengho, iÄm sure ppisati in #ubuntu-kernel would like to know about that, since he just works on the porting of the kernel to devicetree [16:03] * qengho is off to find The Wizard. ... [16:18] bryce seems it wasn't the right bug before. Gema meant this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068994 [16:18] Ubuntu bug 1068994 in ubuntu-nexus7 "button1 gets stuck after a while" [Critical,Confirmed] [16:19] yeah, thats our worst one [16:19] (not only gemas :) ) [16:21] seb128: remind me the bug again? [16:21] desrt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/+bug/1105440 [16:21] Ubuntu bug 1105440 in d-conf (Ubuntu) "dconf-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_trusted()" [High,Confirmed] [16:21] (I assume) [16:33] seb128: is there a way that i can download the source package for this without being on raring? [16:34] i start to wonder if it's some case of vendor patching gone wrong... [16:34] just change your deb-src lines in sources.list [16:34] ah. true. [16:34] and run apt-get update [16:34] with ubuntu-dev-tools installed; pull-lp-source raring [16:35] oh that new fashined stuff, yeah [16:35] *fashioned [16:35] back in your chair, grandpa. :P [16:35] * ogra_ hobbles away [16:54] seb128: got it [16:55] seb128: dconf-service goes crashy crashy if you send it a change request containing zero keys to change [16:55] something during login is doing that, i guess [16:55] would love to find out who/what does that [16:55] meanwhile, this should obviously be fixed [17:13] desrt, great, any hint on how to find whatever send that change? [17:14] jasoncwarner: well it would really help to test latest stack from raring first :) [17:16] seb128: making a patch now [17:17] seb128: would be nice to dconf-blame to see who is sending this broken request [17:17] after the fix... [17:19] desrt, will do [17:19] desrt, thanks! ;-) [17:20] network at the hackfest is not so good :( [17:21] http://www.fpaste.org/SDSa/ [17:22] qengho, hey, just woke up. [17:22] qengho, fortunately I read the scrollback before my internet died just now [17:22] seb128: ^ plz test [17:23] dinner time for us. bye. [17:26] robru: I'm going to try the 10.04 now. [17:26] qengho, lucid? really? [17:27] Sorry. No no no. 12.04 [17:27] ahhhh ok ;-) [17:29] qengho, what were you saying about udev switching devices out from under you? I didn't realize that was possible. Can that happen without an underlying hardware plug/unplug event? [17:31] robru: It happens. I watch it with "udevadm monitor". [17:31] desrt, will do, enjoy dinner [17:34] qengho, surely there's a way to verify that the image was copied correctly? [17:35] dd it off, perhaps. [17:35] robru: also, this machine mounts it fine. [17:36] qengho, the only trick is that it's a 650MB image and an 8GB SD card... I'll have to look up how to tell dd to only grab x many bytes, with x = the original image size.... [17:37] I can truncate. [17:37] erm [17:38] ogra_: do you know of a 12.04 armhf image that should work? [17:38] verey released image works [17:38] *every [17:38] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/12.04/release/ [17:38] core isnt an image [17:39] and you realyl should only use it for building images around it or for development chroots [17:39] its is completely unconfigured ... largely the same you get running debootstrap [17:39] (there arent even any networking bits in it) [17:39] I used the "pre-installed desktop image" here for my pandaboard without any issues (remarkably straightforward): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ [17:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP [17:40] (hasnt been updated for 12.10, but the procedure is the same as for 12.04) [17:41] sarnold, lots of images on that page... should I be looking at omap3 or omap4? [17:41] oh, no, i'm lying, 12.04 was still preinstalled [17:41] 12.10 is just like an x86 iso [17:41] robru: omap4 for pandaboard [17:41] ogra_: so, the 12.04 preinstalled result will run on the SD card. [17:42] qengho, definitely [17:42] we dont relesase stuff that doesnt work ;) [17:42] (we do release stuff that has bugs admittedly though) [17:43] ogra_: well, hardware doesn't necessarily work with everything. Just asking. [17:47] qengho, just make sure to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall === dpm-laptop is now known as dpm [18:03] qengho, latest raring image not working for me; same failure: shows bootsplash, then screen loses signal / powers down, pandaboard gives heartbeat continuously but nothing happens. [18:04] robru: that sounds familliar, all except no signal. I was getting cramfs shell. [18:05] robru: I have heard that we should abandon R for now and use P. [18:05] qengho, I'm not really familiar with the cramfs shell... but during bootsplash I can hit 'esc' on my keyboard and witness that various booting steps are happening, but then right when you expect lightdm to show up, I get nothing instead. [18:05] qengho, yeah, flashing P now [18:13] qengho, yeah, so that precise-preinstalled image doesn't boot on my pandaboard. all I get is two solid lights. [18:13]