[06:25] just found a bug in 12.10, at least xubuntu amd64. when you make a program open in half the screen by dragging it to the top, pressing the maximise button maxes the top part of the window go above the screen [08:17] ping to anyone here [08:30] good morning [08:31] evening jibel [08:31] jibel: bonjour! [08:31] Hey pitti Noskcaj [08:31] jibel: FYI, I fixed the hanging xvfb and lost processes on rabisu this morning, so https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/ is getting blue again [08:32] are either of you guys able to run a daily install for me? [08:32] good morning [08:33] jibel: I just "damaged" all checksums in the data file, that ought to trigger a complete rebuild, right? [08:33] pitti, ah, good. I killed some stalled dbus processes yesterday evening, I'll need to add a proper cleanup after the runs [08:33] pitti, yes, it will [08:33] jibel: they all failed with "Xvfb: failed to start" because of the lingering Xvfb process [08:34] bug 1087409, please confirm outside of Vbox [08:34] bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "*buntu dailys take 3 minutes to get to the next screen if install mp3 is selected." [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087409 [08:34] pitti, yes, that's pretty common, about once a week [08:34] Noskcaj: there's not much to debug there, it's pretty clear what happens AFAIK [08:34] Noskcaj: same effect when you install it on a laptop with a broadcom wifi [08:35] there's a missing progress report UI from ubiquity [08:35] pitti, my issue is it only appears with the mp3 selected [08:36] Noskcaj: yes, that will trigger the "install additional/non-free drivers" functionality [08:36] the VB driver is not really non-free, but it's an UI design compromise [08:36] ok, just realised my fault, nvm [08:36] Noskcaj: well, not "your fault" really, it really does sit there for a while doing nothing [08:37] Noskcaj, lack of feedback is a UI bug IMO [08:37] Noskcaj: I'm just saying that this is "triaged" [08:37] * pitti adjusts [08:38] Noskcaj: bug updated [08:38] ok, ty === zequence_ is now known as zequence === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:31] jibel: we don't run libo upstream tests for raring any more, do we? [10:31] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/search/?q=libreoffice [10:31] and all of the four have a last build in November [10:31] jibel: or has that been entirely replaced with the bibisect stuff? [10:34] pitti, bibisect does't replace it and it's lower priority because they are run as part of the build in the PPA. [10:35] pitti, and I didn't have time to activate daily builds for raring yet [10:35] jibel: ah, ok; thanks for the heads-up! === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:52] pitti, is http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/auto-pkg-test.html#executing-the-test all we need to point a potential test case reviewer at? or do you feel we should add something there? or on a separate page on the wiki maybe? [12:16] hey dholbach [12:16] dholbach: that's the operational bits indeed; if that fails, it's definitively not ready yet, so it's a really good check [12:17] dholbach: it should also be "sensible" in the context of the package, of course (but that's true with anything you sponsor of course) [12:23] pitti, perfect, thanks [12:31] pitti, could you imagine doing a quick hangout to talk people through a test or two - we could do it in an "interview" format - we could do it earlier on Friday and then point people to the youtube link later on [12:38] dholbach: sure, let's try that [12:38] pitti, shall we pick a time already? [12:38] dholbach: I have a dentist appointment at 10:30; so earlier, or after 11:15 [12:39] will you be able to talk after the appointment? :) [12:39] yeah, it's no big deal :) [12:39] then let's do it afterwards - you might be more relaxed then :-P [12:40] I shall point out that hangouts are still working exceptionally bad, though [12:40] ok [12:40] so we might need to move to IRC [12:40] we can try it and if it fails, I can try to do it [12:40] or that [12:41] I would be a very poor substitute for TEH PITTI :) [12:41] well, so are hangouts :) [12:41] there's nothign I can point to :) [12:41] :-) [12:41] that was much easier IRL at UDS [12:42] yeah :) [12:42] dholbach: hey, can we try a hangout now? I'll try on my mobile [12:42] sure [12:42] let me invite you - just a sec [12:43] dholbach: ah, already invited you [12:43] ah ok [12:44] dholbach: can't hear you [13:25] greyback, did I see it correctly - you live in Berlin? :) [13:45] dholbach: correct [13:45] dholbach: I moved there about 3 months ago [13:45] greyback, very nice - I had no idea :) [14:11] morning everyone [14:12] hello! [14:12] how is your day going roadmr ? [14:12] cprofitt: fine so far :) yours? [14:14] It is going well for a first day back to work from being ill [14:14] lots of catching up to do === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [14:33] balloons: ping [14:33] or anyone else really [14:33] any advice on how to best schedule a meeting for a team that appears to be equally split by a 5-6 hour time difference? [14:34] I am using a doodle poll right now... [14:34] cprofitt, you mean on Ubuntu Friendly uh? [14:34] smartboyhw: yeah [14:34] trying to get UF to have some regular meetings [14:35] cprofitt, so if it has a 5-6 hour differece, set the later one at it's local time 16:00, and set the earlier one 10:00 [14:35] the one I am working on now is really just an initial meeting, but I truly believe some form of regular meeting keeps teams on-track [14:36] I was really looking to have one meeting not two different ones, but I guess having two could work [14:36] I had not considered that [14:36] cprofitt, how would it work? [14:36] on the poll I put two early evening GMT times and two early evening UTC times [14:36] I do not know... I thought that was what your suggestion was [14:38] smartboyhw: I assume you were not talking about having two different meetings, but how to list the options on Doodle? [14:39] cprofitt, I never used doodle:P [14:41] ah. [14:41] Doodle is just a poll system for trying to find the optimal meeting time [14:41] lets people vote on which time(s) they can meet. [14:41] cprofitt, just ask the guys who are interested in this first... [14:42] yep, that is what has been done. [14:42] just struggling with the idea of cutting half the team out of a meeting [14:43] the first set of responses only resulted in less than half the interested folks being able participate at any one time [14:43] perhaps setting up an asychronous system would work better, but I have not used too many of those. [14:44] most of those are most 'task' oriented and not discussion [14:44] phillw: ping you around? [14:44] cprofitt: indeed i am :) [14:45] thanks for voting so quickly in the poll [14:45] saves me forgetting to vote :) [14:45] you have any good ideas on how to ensure we get input from everyone despite the 5-6 hour time split in the team? [14:47] as you have the EP set up, it is a case of reminding people to put ideas on to it. [14:48] EP? [14:48] ether pad http://pad.ubuntu.com/sClb0uH2g8 [14:48] ah, yes [14:48] phillw, hmm getting a new life at packaging now:) [14:49] you have a suggestion already from me :) [14:49] thanks Phillw [14:49] smartboyhw: great :) Have you decided on a time for your session? [14:49] phillw, as you reminded me now, I will set it at 19th Feb 13:00 UTC [14:49] Final date:) [14:50] can you edit the wiki page and let Lyz know :) [14:50] phillw, ok [14:51] you may want to add to the wiki page that people will need an iso ! [14:52] phillw: was that directed towards me? [14:52] the wiki page and lyz? [14:52] UWN? [14:53] I do think the wiki page needs editing, but was not sure if it should be tackled before some things had been ironed out [14:56] cprofitt: no, sorry, it was for smartboyhw [14:57] finally nailed down the last -classroom time & date on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom [15:03] phillw: ok [15:03] good, glad you got classroom filled [15:03] sorry that with everything going on I could not do a session [15:11] cprofitt: a classroom can be done at any time. Just give the classroom people a poke whenever UF wants to hold one. They're a great way to get noticed :) [15:12] phillw, thx [15:47] phillw: yep, thanks [15:51] wow... I never realized that the UK got so little snow [17:29] thomi, you about yet [17:29] ? [17:41] balloons: I am now [17:41] *yawn* [17:42] balloons: what's up? [19:05] well, shoot.. I didn't say anything in here, but thomi and I just hosted an autopilot session for udw [19:10] haha [20:09] how thoroughly has the 12.04.1 ISO been tested? [20:09] for installation? [20:13] ??? [20:16] TLoT, prior to release we did a full workup [20:17] to what extent? [20:17] because https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/220961 seems to be occurring on this system [20:17] Launchpad bug 220961 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] ubiquity crashes instead of notifying the user of not enough disk space" [High,Triaged] [20:17] brand new 750GB drive [20:17] (apport triggered that) [20:18] i'm trying a reinstall to see whether the partition schema i set up is the cause [20:18] hmm [20:18] (shouldn't be!) [20:18] do you have logs from the install? [20:18] none that i can share [20:18] i'm not willing to divulge my information unless bugcontrol decides to wake up and answer my quesiton in -bugs [20:19] (the logs would contain password data) [20:19] TLoT -- no, it won't have that personal data in it [20:19] you can see what's in the logs anyways [20:19] balloons: the debug logs that apport were collecting said that it would have it [20:19] and you should/could check [20:19] so unless apport is LYING [20:20] but you didn't get that far did you? I mean to the user install [20:20] username choice [20:20] good question [20:20] it said "installing system" [20:20] and then went boom [20:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity [20:20] no time, i have to head out to a meeting [20:21] if it errors out again i'll be back [20:21] * TLoT will remain connected in lurkmode [20:21] TLoT, ok -- the logs are deifnitely helpful in this case [20:21] balloons: and you'll know if i get back, there'll be me raging at the computer. [20:21] whatever log(s) existed are likely being overwritten as we speak [20:21] it could very well have just been the partition setup i had [20:21] kk [20:21] but we'll see [20:22] * TLoT told it to not update as it goes, so... [20:22] * TLoT runs off [20:24] okay, that's... interesting [20:24] it seems to have resolved itself? [20:24] so... creating 3 partitions is too hard for it? [20:24] HUH? [20:24] * TLoT shrugs [20:24] back later === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [22:24] Hello ubuntu quality! I am installing raring into my desktop and something is wrong. [22:26] Hopefully, this is the right place to ask. First of all, i just installed raring straight from a daily image amd64. But after reboot, I see a blue screen called Memtest86. [22:27] epikvision, is the disc still in the system? [22:27] memtest86 is an option from the iso [22:28] No, it rebooted straight to memtest without the disc. [22:29] Now i see an exploding list of red and errors piling in mounds. [22:29] balloons It passed up to 46%. [22:30] epikvision, very odd [22:30] did you install to your physical machine? [22:30] you don't even get a boot menu? [22:33] Yes, although installation was perfect, it passed the intel boot splash screen, but it didnt make it to login screen. [22:47] * epikvision waves at balloons. [23:18] so epikvision I hope that takes care of your issues ;-) [23:18] glad you got raring going on your laptop [23:19] balloons I hope so too. I remember installing a daily build a while back, and i encountered the same error. [23:21] balloons, its ok! Multitasking can bring up some inevitable bumps. [23:21] :-) [23:25] Ok i filed it. LP #1110875 [23:25] Launchpad bug 1110875 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "After installation, raring build boots to memtest " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1110875 [23:26] /o\ [23:26] o.o [23:27] balloons, you may want to make a note somewhere that ubiquity may need to be beaten with a hammer - creating more than 2 partitions using the manual partitioner breaks things. [23:27] which is what caused the initial implodification [23:27] I know, it's strange. [23:31] thanks balloons for the reporting walkthrough! [23:32] TheLordOfTime, heh, back eh? [23:32] balloons, with a working system yes., [23:32] xnox is here, or hiding.. not sure.. but there is etheir a bug, or an explaination [23:33] indeed [23:33] we should settle it [23:33] can you wait about 10 minutes?/ [23:33] i am recovering data to incorporate for a reboot... [23:33] so... [23:33] * TheLordOfTime is rebooting inot the new working system [23:33] s/inot/into/ [23:33] i'm looking at the logs from epikvision's bug and I'm not seeing anything strange happening in the syslog yet... [23:55] and we're back :P [23:56] xnox: do you know of any bugs in ubiquity or otherwise which would cause the installer to say "insufficient space" during installation? perhaps if i have "Update software during installation" selected? [23:56] balloons: ^ [23:58] for example - if you have more ram than disk-space we incorrectly create massive swap and only 2GB '/' which is not enough to complete the install. [23:59] or otherwise passed the "have sufficient space check" but created '/' of 2GB