[05:11] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn and others
[05:42] <jrgns> Morning Kilos, all
[05:42] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:15] <superfly> ohi
[06:22] <Kilos> hi superfly maiatoday 
[06:22] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[06:23] <maiatoday> Sorry I missed your hi the other day
[06:24] <Kilos> np girl i forgive you! hehe i know you are busy
[06:24] <superfly> hiya maiatoday
[06:24] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:25] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[06:31] <magespawn> morning all
[06:32] <inetpro> good morning
[06:35] <maiatoday> hi magespawn inetpro
[06:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:35] <inetpro> wb maiatoday
[06:35] <magespawn> hey maiatoday inetpro Kilos
[06:35] <maiatoday> :)
[06:36]  * Kilos peeks but sees no pro
[06:39] <inetpro> ai!
[06:39] <Kilos> lol
[06:39] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[06:40] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[06:40] <inetpro> ek het mos gegroet?
[06:40] <superfly> aloha magespawn
[06:40] <Kilos> ai
[06:40] <magespawn> hey superfly
[07:19]  * staticrat waves hallo
[07:19] <Kilos> hi staticrat 
[07:19] <Kilos> hi henkj Tonberry-vaio zeref 
[07:19] <staticrat> hello kilos
[07:19] <magespawn> new peeps?
[07:19] <staticrat> im new :)
[07:20] <Kilos> you new here staticrat ?
[07:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:20] <magespawn> then you are most welcome staticrat
[07:20] <staticrat> awesome thx :)
[07:20] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself?
[07:20] <Kilos> what you do and that os you use etc
[07:21] <staticrat> I'm a network administartor
[07:21] <staticrat> and been using linuxmint 14 since yesterday :)
[07:21] <Kilos> and before?
[07:22] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[07:22] <Kilos> staticrat, where are you situated?
[07:22] <staticrat> ubuntu 10.4 tls
[07:23] <Kilos> we have another mint user here too Squirm 
[07:23] <staticrat> limpopo and you kilos?
[07:23] <Kilos> pa staticrat  you far north
[07:23] <staticrat> well hello squirm then :)
[07:23] <staticrat> yip
[07:23] <Kilos> i think he uses mate on mint to make it gnome2
[07:24] <staticrat> if we not melting away then we flooding away
[07:24] <Kilos> i have used mate on 12.04
[07:24] <Kilos> yeah weather has gone crazy hey?
[07:25] <staticrat> also using MATE this side....could not decide between cinnamon KDE or MATE
[07:25] <Kilos> anyway this is the channel where the brains lurk
[07:25] <staticrat> just closed my eyes and clicked one LOL
[07:25] <Kilos> lol
[07:25] <staticrat> i have brains
[07:25] <staticrat> i think
[07:25] <staticrat> :)
[07:25] <Kilos> hehe
[07:26] <Kilos> we got dev guys and python experts and other helpful peeps 
[07:26] <staticrat> so what gets discussed on this channel?
[07:26] <Kilos> and me
[07:26] <Kilos> im the greeter bot
[07:26] <Kilos> most things linux
[07:26] <Kilos> and weather
[07:26] <Kilos> and the odd farming tips etc
[07:27] <Kilos> and family matters
[07:27] <magespawn> staticrat: everything from ubuntu, almost all flavours, vet advice, recipies
[07:27] <staticrat> "a man can never be a man, if he doesnt have family"
[07:27] <Kilos> go magespawn my fingers are tired
[07:27] <staticrat> cool
[07:28] <Kilos> well said
[07:28] <staticrat> so only 3 talking in a room of 32
[07:29] <Kilos> others are working
[07:29] <staticrat> well i should too :)
[07:29] <Kilos> but when one has any problems  you explain the prob as clearly as you can then wait
[07:30] <staticrat> cool, does that just cover linux based or say if I have a problem on my network, would i ask here or on another channel?
[07:31] <Kilos> the guys here can normally help with that too when they have time
[07:31] <staticrat> thats cool, hopefully in time I would be able to assist someone else here then....I'll add the channel to my list :)
[07:31] <Kilos> lotsa guys here do large companies 
[07:32] <Kilos> how did you find usafter so long on ubuntu
[07:32] <staticrat> well truth is ....
[07:33] <staticrat> I been playing with linux more than actually using it as my prefered OS
[07:33] <Kilos> ouch
[07:33] <staticrat> i know
[07:33] <staticrat> but I do feel a change in the wind :)
[07:33] <Kilos> superfly, inetpro say hi to staticrat 
[07:34] <inetpro> uh?
[07:34] <Kilos> here everyone uses linux first then the other stuff after
[07:34] <Kilos> we have another network guy, yay
[07:34] <staticrat> guess i got it backwards then
[07:34] <Kilos> lol
[07:35] <inetpro> staticrat: hi and welcome to #ubuntu-za
[07:35] <staticrat> cool, thx inetpro
[07:36] <inetpro> staticrat: just stick around here, Kilos will make you famous
[07:36] <Kilos> the pro is very clever too staticrat for an old man that is
[07:36] <inetpro> lol
[07:36] <staticrat> not sure if I would want to be famous....
[07:37] <Kilos> he is just rambling
[07:37] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:37] <Kilos> its the age you know
[07:37] <Kilos> Maaz, hmm...
[07:37] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[07:37] <inetpro> Maaz: thinking
[07:37] <Maaz> Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason so few engage in it. - Henry Ford
[07:38] <Kilos> hehe
[07:38] <staticrat> lol
[07:38] <Kilos> it hurts the brain
[07:38] <staticrat> i want surgery to remove the nerves that causes pain, that way i can think all day long
[07:38] <Kilos> staticrat, we have maaz who is our resident bot written by locals
[07:38] <Kilos> python
[07:39] <staticrat> and maaz can do what
[07:39]  * inetpro goes to hide in a corner to do some thinking
[07:40] <Kilos> Maaz, help
[07:40] <Maaz> Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[07:40] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[07:41] <Kilos> i dont know if you can install ibid on mint but its worth a try
[07:41] <Kilos> then you setup youre own bot
[07:41] <staticrat> i will check it out
[07:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:41]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:42] <staticrat> for now i have to be gone, need to setup a projector in the boardroom....sound like fun :)
[07:42] <Kilos> nice meeting you have a good day
[07:43] <staticrat> until later then, nice meeting you as well
[07:44]  * staticrat away doing something else in need of less brain power
[07:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:45] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:45] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:46] <superfly> inetpro: I can still smell you thinking
[07:46] <Kilos> rofl
[07:46] <Kilos> wood or rubber burning
[07:48] <Tonberry-vaio> that's just wrong
[07:49] <Kilos> whats with the -vaio Tonberry-vaio 
[07:50] <Tonberry-vaio> i'm on my laptop and my pc is still on irc
[07:50] <Tonberry-vaio> on some servers at least
[07:50] <Kilos> yeah i mean has it got a meaning
[07:50] <Tonberry-vaio> the laptop is a sony vaio
[07:50] <Kilos> ah
[07:51] <superfly> Tonberry-vaio: use a distributed IRC client then
[07:53] <inetpro> eish!
[07:54]  * inetpro forgot what he was thinking
[07:54] <Kilos> aw thats age
[07:55] <Kilos> i asked the weed for a link to who does what in the dev team and when i got there had forgotten why
[07:55] <Tonberry-vaio> too lazy to set up a bouncer
[08:32] <staticrat> looking for vga driver for dell studio 1550
[08:54] <Kilos> progress inetpro . ian is running 12.04 kde with all the other stuff working in virtual box
[08:58] <inetpro> Kilos: what other stuff?
[08:59] <Kilos> win7 and all the hand/palm/fingerprint scanners and security monitors
[09:02] <inetpro> ai!
[09:02] <Kilos> he cant get linux software for the hardware
[09:14] <Kilos> ai!
[09:14] <Kilos> (glipper:4681): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent.
[09:15] <Kilos> must one run glipper with sudo?
[09:27] <Kilos> hmm... forgot no one here uses unity
[09:39] <Kilos> wb drussell 
[09:40] <Kilos> been on holiday?
[09:44] <drussell> Kilos: hehehe I wish ;o)
[09:44] <Kilos> the locals there are always on holiday. only the foreign peeps work
[09:49] <Kilos> oh inetpro i spoke to 8ta. they dont have the unrestricted goodie voda does, but told me they can speed up your net speed if you are online and fone and go through it with them
[09:50] <Kilos> got another 8ta sim last night so will fone soonish and let you know the outcome
[10:10]  * staticrat waves hello
[10:10] <Kilos> wb staticrat 
[10:10] <Kilos> did you get drivers?
[10:10] <staticrat> hey thx
[10:10] <staticrat> nope not yet
[10:11] <Kilos> http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/Product/vostro-1550
[10:11] <staticrat> now messing around on mint, trying to figure out how to remove the separator from the favorite menu
[10:11] <Kilos> you want for mint. so linux drivers
[10:11] <staticrat> yes
[10:11] <staticrat> i will check out this link
[10:12] <Kilos> i didnt check if its for linux
[10:12] <staticrat> i see it does have a download for ubuntu 10.10
[10:12] <staticrat> not sure if it will work with mint
[10:12] <Kilos> Maaz, google linux vga drivers for dell 1550
[10:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Graphics card for dell vostro 1550 window 7 - drivers - windows-7" http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/35517-63-graphics-card-dell-vostro-1550-window :: "Drivers for notebook Dell Vostro 1550 - DriverPack Solution" http://drp.su/drivers/notebooks/?v=Dell&m=Vostro%201550&id=57053&l=en :: "Vostro 1550 - Drivers & Downloads | Dell United States"
[10:13] <Maaz> http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/Product/vostro-1550 :: "Dell Vostro 1550 Drivers Windows 7 :…
[10:13] <Kilos> whew
[10:13] <staticrat> brb
[10:15] <staticrat> the reason i was looking for one is when I connect a projector to my notebook my display changes to 1024x800
[10:16] <Kilos> all for win7
[10:16] <Kilos> eish
[10:17] <staticrat> win7 no help, need for linux mint 14
[10:17] <Kilos> Maaz, google del 1550 drivers for mint 14
[10:17] <Maaz> Kilos: "Bug #991680 “[SOLVED]Huawei E220 and E1550 can't connect on ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/991680 :: "2011- 2012 MINT 11-20 ENCLOSURE - GSA" http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/fas/Stroup_20112012MINT1120ENCLOSURE.pdf :: "The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 10 KDE: User Input" http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1550 :: "Debian User Forums • View
[10:17] <Maaz> topic - [SOLVED] ATI driver problem with ..." http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t…
[10:18] <Kilos> sjoe hang around. maybe one of the guys will have an idea
[10:18]  * staticrat hanging around for ideas :)
[10:18] <Kilos> hehe
[10:19] <staticrat> i feel dumb today
[10:19] <Kilos> what maaz cant find for me i ask here for help
[10:19] <Kilos> but
[10:20] <Kilos> if the netbook thing works and only changes when you plugin the projector it might be some settings you gotta change
[10:21] <staticrat> think so as well but did see that when I connect the projector I cant change the resolution
[10:22] <staticrat> not that big of an issue, this is just for learning purposes. you know  - knowing how to fix this for future reference
[10:22] <Kilos> ah
[10:22] <staticrat> first i need to get used to this workspace thing
[10:23] <staticrat> :)
[10:23] <magespawn> i think there is a setting under displays where you can specify two different resolutions one for each display
[10:23] <Kilos> look here and see what they say
[10:24] <Kilos> http://community.linuxmint.com/hardware/view/1158
[10:24] <superfly> staticrat: which graphics card?
[10:27] <staticrat> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 graphics
[10:28] <superfly> staticrat: using the proprietary drivers, or the open source ones?
[10:28] <staticrat> open source I think
[10:29] <superfly> then just use the built-in screen tool to set up your resolutions
[10:30] <superfly> I don't use Gnome, so I can't help you with anything Gnome specific, but I've done it tons before in KDE
[10:30] <staticrat> i will give it another bash just now....will feedback results
[10:31] <inetpro> Kilos: better 8ta speeds? Sounds nice. Let me know the results.
[10:31] <Kilos> will do inetpro 
[10:32] <Kilos> waiting for friday to put new 2+1 in
[11:29]  * staticrat is back
[11:30] <Kilos> fixed?
[11:30] <staticrat> nope :(
[11:30] <Kilos> ai
[11:30] <staticrat> very weird to me
[11:31] <staticrat> once projector is connected it displays the second workspace but no app is displayed when moving it towards the workspace
[11:32] <staticrat> when I enable to mirror my display it then causes my notebook monitor to display at a lower resolution 
[11:33] <Kilos> did you install the ati driver?
[11:33] <staticrat> i did but no luck with that as well
[11:34] <Kilos> has mint got a goodie called additional drivers
[11:34] <staticrat> not as far as I know
[11:34] <Kilos> where do you plug the projector in? usb
[11:35] <Kilos> i never seen that
[11:35] <staticrat> no via VGA
[11:35] <Kilos> ah
[11:36] <staticrat> perhaps I should test with HDMI
[11:37] <staticrat> no matter I will play around some more, whats happening here today?
[11:38] <Kilos> everyone saltmining
[11:38] <Kilos> except me
[11:38] <staticrat> lol
[11:39] <Kilos> someone will comeup with another suggestion some time
[11:40] <Kilos> i know nothing about what you are doing
[11:40] <magespawn> i am not sure where it is under unity, but under monitors somewhere allows you to cahnge the settings
[11:40] <Kilos> he is on mint magespawn 
[11:40] <Kilos> hiya
[11:40] <staticrat> menu > control centre > monitors
[11:41] <staticrat> and the guys at #linuxmint-chat is not as friendly as you peeps are
[11:41] <staticrat> did not even get a response :(
[11:41] <Kilos> no other channel matches with #ubuntu-za
[11:42] <staticrat> perhaps i should reload my pc and try ubuntu
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:43] <Kilos> its different now to when you tried
[11:43] <staticrat> LOL - using mint but looking towards ubuntu users for support
[11:43] <Kilos> have you looked at kubuntu
[11:43] <staticrat> think i ran a liveCD some time ago
[11:44] <Kilos> the guys here help any linux person
[11:44] <Kilos> with kde you have 2 experts here
[11:44] <Kilos> the fly and pro
[11:44] <staticrat> they are?
[11:44] <Kilos> they live on kubuntu
[11:44] <Kilos> superfly, and inetpro 
[11:45] <staticrat> nd u?
[11:45] <Kilos> i have it on another drive but im learning too
[11:45] <staticrat> you using gnome?
[11:46] <Kilos> actually quite lekker when you get to understand it a bit
[11:46] <Kilos> im on unity
[11:46] <Kilos> ubuntu 12.04
[11:46] <Kilos> LTS
[11:46] <Kilos> ubuntu has moved from gnome to unity
[11:47] <staticrat> well i am not mr current affairs so when was this move? last ubuntu i used still ran on gnome
[11:47] <Kilos> 18 months ago or so
[11:47] <Kilos> since 11.04
[11:47] <Kilos> i think
[11:48] <staticrat> ah 
[11:48] <inetpro> staticrat: so you have two VGA outputs?
[11:48] <Kilos> but even unity you can get used to
[11:48] <Kilos> there the pro
[11:48] <inetpro> eh
[11:49] <staticrat> no just one inetpro
[11:49] <inetpro> ahh, you wanted output on the laptop as well as on the big screen?
[11:49] <Kilos> a netbook is a lappy thing hey?
[11:49] <inetpro> many times it also depends on the projector
[11:51] <staticrat> no I would just like to change the display settings on my notebook monitor when the projector is connected. Who uses 800x600 today
[11:52] <superfly> staticrat: most projectors are way behind screens
[11:52] <inetpro> projectors come with different resolutions 
[11:52] <superfly> they've only *just* started bringing out widescreen projectors
[11:53] <staticrat> and I got one of those, actually pretty cool. EPSON EB-95
[11:53] <inetpro> Kilos: a netbook is smaller than a laptop
[11:53] <staticrat> who invented a netbook?
[11:54]  * staticrat giving a opinion
[11:54]  * inetpro loves the netbook
[11:54] <superfly> staticrat: so is your notebook's screen becoming 800x600 ?
[11:54] <inetpro> baught one for my wife some time ago and she's still using it
[11:55] <superfly> *bought
[11:55] <inetpro> IIRC it was even two years ago
[11:55] <staticrat> inetpro: tablet or netbook
[11:55] <inetpro> superfly: correct, thanks :-)
[11:55] <inetpro> staticrat: netbook
[11:55] <staticrat> superfly: yes  it does
[11:55] <inetpro> one of those R1999 Acer specials
[11:56] <staticrat> I remember those did they not come pre-installed with some linux distro
[11:57] <inetpro> staticrat: not sure what it was, first thing I did was to install Kubuntu
[11:57] <staticrat> lol
[11:57] <inetpro> she's now running on Unity but still prefers KDE
[11:57]  * inetpro should change that at some point
[11:58] <staticrat> ubuntu or kubuntu /me looking at downloading one of the two
[11:59] <Kilos> they both say kubuntu
[11:59] <staticrat> i like mint but have to be honest. There too much of a 'microsoft' feel to it
[12:00] <Kilos> if you got fast uncapped internet get both
[12:00] <Kilos> then you can see what you prefer
[12:00] <superfly> staticrat: so just go to system settings -> monitors and resolutions and check that your screen resolution is correct
[12:00] <staticrat> im in limpopo? they steal the lines faster than you can download
[12:00] <Kilos> lol like here. 3g is costly though
[12:01] <staticrat> superfly: I did but once the projector is connected I cannot change the screen resolution 
[12:01] <superfly> xrandr
[12:01]  * staticrat thinks he need to re-establish what he know about linux
[12:04] <Kilos> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xrandr
[12:04] <Kilos> see what they say
[12:04] <Kilos> only one i saw
[12:04] <staticrat> thx
[12:04] <Kilos> superfly, you will need to help him nearly like me
[12:05] <Kilos> oh staticrat have you upgraded
[12:05] <staticrat> upgraded?
[12:06] <Kilos> you know how to use a terminal?
[12:06] <Kilos> where you type in commands
[12:06] <staticrat> yes I am familiar with using the terminal
[12:06] <staticrat> lol
[12:06] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[12:07] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:07] <Kilos> then watch data run
[12:08] <Kilos> does mint use apt-get and aptitude?
[12:08] <staticrat> apt-get
[12:08] <Kilos> ok check for update/upgrades
[12:08] <staticrat> some index files failed to download
[12:09] <staticrat> after running sudo apt-get update
[12:09] <Kilos> some or did it get some?
[12:09] <staticrat> they have been ignored or old ones used instead
[12:09] <Kilos> Squirm, ping
[12:09] <Kilos> ok
[12:09] <Kilos> you have an update manager
[12:10] <Kilos> do you see it in system
[12:10] <staticrat> yeah but it says the same message. started this morning but just didnt have time to look into it. 
[12:10] <Kilos> system admin
[12:11] <Kilos> normally thats internet connection or your repo is down
[12:11] <staticrat> the sudo apt-get upgrade finished 
[12:12] <Kilos> what did it get?
[12:12] <Kilos> too fast to see?
[12:12] <staticrat> lol
[12:12] <staticrat> yeah
[12:12] <Kilos> hehe
[12:12] <staticrat> was about to say loads of things moving fast
[12:12] <Kilos> did it say how much was downloaded
[12:13] <Kilos> should say fetched xx meg in so much time
[12:13] <staticrat> might have ... I closed the window before reading the results...
[12:13] <Kilos> ai
[12:13] <staticrat> i know 
[12:14] <Kilos> how fast is your internet there
[12:14] <Kilos> normally the diffs between a clean install and the first upgrade is 100's of megs
[12:14] <staticrat> well I have 4MB UC/US line
[12:15] <Kilos> it didnt want to reboot to complete the upgrade?
[12:15] <staticrat> well i did that yesterday via the update manager and it downloaded about 250MB 
[12:15] <Kilos> ah
[12:15] <staticrat> no
[12:16] <staticrat> but there is a few things that annoys me with mint (or it could be the user)
[12:17] <Kilos> superfly, inetpro advice on whether to get kde or unity and what release
[12:17] <Kilos> our mint user isnt talking
[12:18] <staticrat> the 'hot corner" to which between workspaces doesnt work
[12:18] <staticrat> *switch
[12:19] <Kilos> ive never seen mint staticrat so im lost there
[12:19]  * staticrat downloading ubuntu 12.04.1 desktop 32bit
[12:19] <Kilos> ok thats what i got
[12:20] <Kilos> but i need help too
[12:20] <staticrat> kilos: me either that why i installed to see how mint works.
[12:20] <Kilos> so bare with me
[12:20] <Kilos> lol
[12:20] <inetpro> staticrat: your best option is to try things for yourself
[12:20]  * inetpro prefers Kubuntu
[12:20] <staticrat> inetpro: exactly :)
[12:20] <inetpro> I have never used Mint but know some people who like it
[12:21] <magespawn> inetpro i have found that Kubuntu is the biggest learning curve coming from the other os
[12:21] <inetpro> but as far as I am aware even with Mint you have the option to run your choice of window manager
[12:22] <staticrat> well I used to run ubuntu and fedora 
[12:22] <inetpro> magespawn: that is probably because Unity is scaled down 
[12:22] <inetpro> magespawn: they leave the average user with little choice 
[12:22] <inetpro> you can't customise as many things as with KDE
[12:23] <Kilos> unity isnt bad staticrat 
[12:23] <magespawn> kde give TONS of choice
[12:23]  * inetpro loves choice
[12:23] <Kilos> lol
[12:23] <staticrat> kilos: we will soon find out - the next time we chat I will be running ubuntu :)
[12:23] <Kilos> kde doesnt bloep
[12:24]  * inetpro hates having to sit in one corner all day
[12:24] <Kilos> staticrat, how do you get here
[12:25] <staticrat> pidgin
[12:25] <Kilos> ai
[12:25] <Kilos> install xchat
[12:25] <Kilos> not xchat-gnome
[12:25] <inetpro> Why Linux Does Not Suck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfLqLK7VdQY
[12:25] <Kilos> ai die busie weer
[12:25] <Kilos> buisie
[12:26] <staticrat> does xchat comes default with ubuntu?
[12:27] <Kilos> nope you type in sudo apt-get install xchat
[12:27] <staticrat> thx
[12:27]  * staticrat reloading notebook - away with mint
[12:27] <Kilos> after sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:28] <Kilos> and also sudo apt-get install aptitude
[12:28] <staticrat> ok guys see you soon
[12:28] <Kilos> pidgin is for gtalk and msn and mxit
[12:29] <Kilos> imo
[12:30] <Kilos> who remembers where the link is to the unity guide
[12:31] <Kilos> http://docs.unity3d.com/Documentation/Manual/UserGuide.html
[12:31] <Kilos> methinks
[12:33] <superfly> Kilos: no, that's to Unity3D, a game engine
[12:38] <magespawn> isn't mint based on ubuntu?
[12:39] <Kilos> ai
[12:42] <Kilos> what ever happened to sflr
[12:48] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org/sites/default/files/unity-5-10-0-final-pdf.pdf
[12:48] <Kilos> is that it
[12:48] <magespawn> by the by for ingress, i never got an invite, just downloaded the app and used my google account to login\
[12:50] <Kilos> haha ingess is taking over here
[12:50] <Kilos> you all gonna be rich land owners
[12:57] <magespawn> apparently i am resistance
[12:58] <superfly> magespawn: really?
[12:58] <superfly> (not for resistance, but for no invite)
[12:59] <magespawn> yes or at least i did not see one 
[12:59] <superfly> magespawn: submit portals all over hluhluwe, and then go capture them when they are approved :-)
[13:00] <magespawn> still going through the training
[13:09]  * staticrat is back
[13:10] <staticrat> man have there been changes in ubuntu or what
[13:12] <magespawn> superfly how do you see portals
[13:12]  * magespawn goes to google
[13:14] <magespawn> a few staticrat
[13:14] <staticrat> well i do like the look
[13:14] <staticrat> now let the exploring begin
[13:15] <Kilos> lol wb staticrat 
[13:15] <staticrat> thx kilos
[13:15] <Kilos> i think this gives you a book
[13:15] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org/sites/default/files/unity-5-10-0-final-pdf.pdf
[13:16] <Kilos> the bar on the left is your launcher
[13:16] <staticrat> sweet
[13:16] <Kilos> top is the dash
[13:16] <staticrat> ok
[13:16] <Kilos> in dash you type ter and get a terminal
[13:16] <Kilos> or ctrl + alt + t
[13:17] <staticrat> cool was looking for terminal as soon as i logged in
[13:17] <Kilos> hehe
[13:17] <Kilos> i struggled in the beginning
[13:18] <Kilos> have you updated/upgraded?
[13:18] <staticrat> yeah done that
[13:18] <staticrat> got xchat
[13:18] <Kilos> try this one too
[13:18] <staticrat> run update and still busy with upgarde
[13:18] <Kilos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:18] <staticrat> *upgrade
[13:18] <Kilos> ah
[13:19]  * staticrat will not close the window after upgrade.
[13:19] <Kilos> my one didnt do a full upgrade till i did dist-upgrade
[13:19] <Kilos> at the bottom of the launcher you have workspace switcher
[13:20] <Kilos> i use one for xchat
[13:20] <Kilos> you can open more terminals
[13:21] <staticrat> well this workspaces works for me :)
[13:21] <Kilos> also in launcher there is a terminal icon which will open the terminal you are using on the workspace you are on
[13:21] <Kilos> i use 10
[13:23] <staticrat> do you place the terminal in the launcher or is it there by default
[13:23] <Kilos> it is there
[13:23] <Kilos> black square
[13:23] <Kilos> maybe far down
[13:23] <Kilos> i remove all the libre office stuff
[13:24] <Kilos> right click remove from panel/launcher or something
[13:24] <Kilos> every new app you have running will show there
[13:25] <Kilos> and flash when somethiong happens
[13:25] <staticrat> cool 
[13:25] <Kilos> or as with xchat put the number of messages you have received
[13:25] <staticrat> what mail client do you use?
[13:25] <Kilos> i use evolution
[13:26] <Kilos> dont like thunderbird
[13:26] <staticrat> ok, good support for exchange?
[13:26] <superfly> magespawn: ingress.com/intel
[13:26] <Kilos> whats exchange?
[13:27] <magespawn> superfly my screen keeps going black maybe a bug, shows the scanner but nothing else
[13:27] <staticrat> I am a windows user. That is where my money comes from, thanks to Bill Gates I have a job
[13:27] <staticrat> Microsoft Exchange Server
[13:27] <Kilos> lol
[13:27] <Kilos> shame
[13:28] <Kilos> try evolution if it dont work then we find something else
[13:28] <staticrat> yip the way I see it is that MS created a "dodgy OS" and there needs to be someone to solve the problems
[13:28] <staticrat> or try
[13:29] <Kilos> i dont know about that stuff but evolution works with gmail hotmail yahoo etc
[13:29] <Kilos> so who knows if it works with microstinks
[13:30] <Kilos> also evo can make its own backup folder for future installs
[13:30] <staticrat> I will find out for you and let you know. I still need to support MS systems
[13:30] <Kilos> you can still
[13:30] <Kilos> lost of the guys here work on ms pcs as well
[13:30] <Kilos> have no choice
[13:31] <staticrat> well like a famous man once said: I like choice
[13:31] <Kilos> but ms help needs to be discussed on another channel as its kinda off topic here
[13:31] <Kilos> lol
[13:31] <staticrat> not going to ask MS help here
[13:32] <staticrat> but I am going to annoy you all with ubuntu help
[13:32] <Kilos> for other os help you can ask on my channel
[13:32] <Kilos> np
[13:32]  * staticrat gives evil laugh
[13:32] <magespawn> staticrat: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=321450&p=1868662
[13:32] <Kilos> im here most of the day when not cooking or looking after sheep and fowls
[13:33] <Kilos> unity is actually very usable
[13:33] <Kilos> and 12.04 is stable
[13:34] <staticrat> thx magespawn
[13:35] <magespawn> superfly: seems to be working now
[13:35] <staticrat> kilos: you got sheep?
[13:36] <Kilos> my sister has
[13:36] <magespawn> you make that sound like a disease of affliction
[13:36] <Kilos> i look after them when they are at work
[13:37] <Kilos> lol
[13:37] <magespawn> s/of/or
[13:37] <staticrat> lol
[13:37] <Kilos> chops on the hoof
[13:37] <staticrat> ribs
[13:37] <magespawn> ingress: all your data will be ours
[13:38] <Kilos> you watching the upgrading staticrat ?
[13:39] <Kilos> i like watching it do stuff
[13:39] <staticrat> yeah im watching it
[13:39] <Kilos> interesting if you can keep up
[13:40] <staticrat> its done
[13:41] <Kilos> that was quick
[13:41] <Kilos> ok sudo apt-get install aptitude
[13:41] <staticrat> no
[13:41] <Kilos> ?
[13:41] <staticrat> that took like 15min
[13:41] <staticrat> i thinl
[13:41] <Kilos> thats quick
[13:42] <staticrat> oh
[13:42] <staticrat> :)
[13:42] <Kilos> nappy moves
[13:42] <Kilos> netbook lappy
[13:42] <staticrat> what is aptitude
[13:42] <Kilos> its like apt-get but better
[13:42] <staticrat> cause it's done
[13:43] <staticrat> do I use diff command in terminal then
[13:43] <Kilos> ok now you use aptitude to install
[13:43] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install xchat evolution
[13:43] <staticrat> oh i.e. sudo aptitude install <something>
[13:44] <Kilos> does your shutdown button glow red?
[13:44] <staticrat> no should it?
[13:44] <Kilos> glow/show
[13:44] <Kilos> do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:45] <Kilos> it goes red when it wants to rebbot to complete upgrading
[13:45] <Kilos> reboot
[13:45] <staticrat> cool
[13:45] <staticrat> its done
[13:46] <staticrat> no red button though
[13:46] <Kilos> np
[13:46] <Kilos> if you click it does it show you need to reboot
[13:46] <staticrat> nope
[13:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:47] <Kilos> never mind
[13:47] <Kilos> ok what else you wanna do
[13:47] <staticrat> go home
[13:47] <staticrat> :)
[13:47] <Kilos> lol
[13:47] <Kilos> ok
[13:47] <Kilos> does nappy go home with you?
[13:47] <staticrat> well i finish at 4 and yes nappy does
[13:48] <magespawn> superfly looks like the enlightened are losing
[13:48] <Kilos> ah the guys are here most of the night
[13:48] <Kilos> i sleep early normally
[13:48] <staticrat> need some time to check out ubuntu, but I will be online again later tonight. 
[13:48] <Kilos> cool
[13:49] <Kilos> go well
[13:49] <staticrat> thx
[13:49]  * staticrat wishes everyone a great evening 
[13:52] <Kilos> hopefully another satisfied customer
[13:52] <Kilos> hehe
[13:55]  * Squirm pokes around the channel
[13:56] <Kilos> hmm... you lost a mint customer
[13:56] <Kilos> we converted him
[13:58] <inetpro> well done Kilos!
[13:58] <Kilos> you serious?
[13:58] <inetpro> Maaz: Kilos ++ [for professional support services]
[13:59] <Kilos> aw ty inetpro 
[14:01] <Kilos> i was waiting for someone to say aptitude doesnt have cow power
[14:14] <Kilos> cant charl on the lists unplug the eth0 and do his install then connect again?
[14:27] <Kilos> hmm... heres a tool for converting media formats and says it has a built in youtube downloader
[14:27] <Kilos> mmediac
[15:00] <magespawn> how to write app for ubuntu starting in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:00] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[15:01] <magespawn> classroom timetable here http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html
[15:02]  * Kilos gone to see. got 100m till friday morning hehe
[15:08] <magespawn> later all
[15:08] <Squirm> bye
[16:04] <inetpro> Kilos: wat het van smile geword?
[16:04] <Kilos> ?? inetpro seker verlief geraak
[16:04] <inetpro> ai!
[16:04] <Kilos> lol
[16:04]  * inetpro soek sy hulp
[16:05] <Kilos> miskien het ek sy epos addy, sal kyk
[16:07] <Lionthinker> Kilos, apologies about just disappearing  yesterday
[16:07] <Kilos> np Lionthinker 
[16:07] <Kilos> saw you at the classroom
[16:14] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[16:14] <Kilos> gekry?
[16:41] <Lionthinker> thanks
[16:41] <Lionthinker> when's next loco meeting
[16:44] <Kilos> 18th feb
[16:47] <Kilos> all info is normally in the topics bar at the top
[16:47] <Kilos> on xchat anyway
[16:48] <Kilos> i spose quassel too
[16:48] <inetpro> Lionthinker: you have something to discuss?
[16:48] <inetpro> Kilos: wat gekry?
[16:49] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[16:49] <Kilos> ai ek sukkel
[16:49] <Kilos> pm toe
[16:49] <inetpro> lol
[16:49] <Kilos> is jy oppie selfoon
[16:50] <Kilos> ai pong en verdwyn
[16:50] <Kilos> sigh
[16:51] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[16:51] <inetpro> ek is hier
[16:51] <Kilos> pm man
[16:52] <inetpro> ahhh
[16:52] <inetpro> skuus man
[16:52] <Kilos> wil jy my epos addy he weer
[16:54]  * inetpro het soveel as moontlik inligting nodig oor Bulimie in Afrikaans
[16:54] <inetpro> that ^^ is for a school task
[16:54] <Kilos> watgebeur daar?
[16:54] <Kilos> ai
[16:55] <inetpro> Kilos: skuus, ek was gou weg vir aandete
[16:55] <Kilos> np
[16:56] <inetpro> ek wonder of die volgende webtuiste die moeite werd is om in te skryf: 
[16:56] <inetpro> http://www.takevirskole.co.za/
[16:56] <inetpro> R500 vir 12 maande
[16:56] <Kilos> ai
[16:56] <inetpro> ek is sommer vies vanaand
[16:57] <Kilos> hoekom?
[16:57] <inetpro> in die ou dae het al die skole goeie biblioteke gehad
[16:57] <Kilos> ja
[16:57] <inetpro> jy kon enige onderwerp maklik studeer
[16:57] <Kilos> daar is ook die stad se biblioteke
[16:58] <inetpro> nou is daar net sommige mense wat weet hoe om die inligting op die netwerke te vind
[16:58] <inetpro> ander betaal daarvoor
[16:58] <inetpro> en die res het niks 
[16:58] <inetpro> eintlik die meerderheid het nie 'n benul nie
[16:58] <Kilos> ja
[16:58] <Kilos> ek gaan eet gou
[16:59] <inetpro> lekker eet oom
[16:59] <Lionthinker> inetpro, yeh I'm thinking about the Consumer protection avenue as a way to do something about the lack of Ubuntu computers for sale and redmond's dominance
[16:59] <inetpro> yikes!
[17:00] <inetpro> Lionthinker: looks like you have some frustrations to get rid of?
[17:00] <Lionthinker> nope, just followed the email lists frustrations but prefer to do something than to sit and complain
[17:00] <Lionthinker> thought it could be an agenda point
[17:02] <inetpro> Lionthinker: add it as point 6 on teh agenda at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/535/detail/
[17:02] <inetpro> the*
[17:03] <inetpro> the current 6 will become 7
[17:04] <inetpro> Lionthinker: are you a registered ubuntu-za user on launchpad?
[17:13]  * staticrat_m waves hello
[17:15] <staticrat_m> Hav to say ubuntu is treating me well
[17:16] <Kilos> lol thats goos staticrat_m 
[17:16] <staticrat_m> On me mobile get it lol
[17:16] <Kilos> unity is quite nice once you got the basics down
[17:17] <Kilos> ya
[17:17] <staticrat_m> The pdf was very useful but not done with it yet
[17:17] <staticrat_m> Thx
[17:18] <Kilos> Lionthinker, try get some more of the lists guys that were involved to also come here
[17:18] <Kilos> especially for the meeting but anytime is good
[17:18] <Kilos> yw
[17:18] <staticrat_m> Am i missing something
[17:18] <Kilos> you okes and your mod cellfones
[17:19] <Kilos> you still need to join our mailing list staticrat_m 
[17:19] <Kilos> become part of our community
[17:20] <staticrat_m> Really ? I will join with my other UN
[17:20] <Kilos> whats a UN?
[17:20] <staticrat_m> Username
[17:20] <Kilos> ah
[17:20] <Kilos> you okes
[17:21] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:21] <staticrat_m> Had to install the vga driver
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[17:21] <Kilos> yes but unity gives you the choice of additional drivers
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: it's linked above
[17:22] <staticrat_m> I saw
[17:22] <staticrat_m> Made it rather easy
[17:22] <Kilos> yeah it does when its automatic hey
[17:22] <inetpro> staticrat_m: welcome back
[17:22] <staticrat_m> Ubuntu 1 mint 0 lol
[17:22] <staticrat_m> Ty inetpro
[17:23] <Kilos> you most likely will need to reinstall everytime they do big upgrades
[17:23] <Kilos> kernel upgrades i think
[17:23] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[17:23] <Kilos> well inetpro 
[17:23] <staticrat_m> Yeah why
[17:24] <staticrat_m> But then again there is a backup utility
[17:24] <Kilos> here by me everytime something updates i go back to that 800x640 screen resolution
[17:24] <inetpro> reinstalls are very rarely necessary
[17:24] <inetpro> Kilos: then you are doing something wrong
[17:24] <Kilos> tell my unity that inetpro 
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> ya upgrading
[17:24] <inetpro> ai!
[17:25] <Kilos> oh ya staticrat_m that deja-dup backup works well
[17:25] <staticrat_m> Yeah i shall test it tomorrow
[17:26] <Kilos> but if your graphics driver goe swith upgrading you just type additional drivers in dash and it goes to the job again
[17:26] <Kilos> i used it from 10.10 to get 10 workspaces here
[17:27] <staticrat_m> Busy busy ek se
[17:28] <Kilos> i battle with the minimising thing like winsucks so i have a workspace for each app i run
[17:28] <Kilos> ai android died
[17:28] <Kilos> inetpro, haai
[17:28] <Kilos> hoe werk die bossie met xmonad
[17:29] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[17:29] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/114728/how-to-use-xmonad-a-tiling-window-manager-for-linux/
[17:30] <inetpro> Kilos: vir wat stress jy nou oor sulke goed?
[17:30] <inetpro> gebruik jy xmonad?
[17:37] <Kilos> hi magtie Vince-0 
[17:37] <Vince-0> Hi
[17:37] <Kilos> nee man ek wou sien hoe werk hy
[17:38] <Kilos> maar jy sien net cli's
[17:38] <Kilos> waar is al die goed op jou desktop
[17:45] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man, as jy eers begin reg werk het jy't nie iets anders as cli nodig nie
[17:45] <inetpro> of nie veel anders
[17:46] <Kilos> ai
[17:48] <Kilos> tumbleweed, how did you tweak xmonad? is all you see cli's?
[17:48] <Kilos> no gui?
[17:48] <Kilos> ai
[17:49] <Kilos> like how do you know if i mention your nick? does the prompt say Kilos calling
[17:57] <Kilos> or sudo play movie
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: wil jy xmonad laai?
[18:04] <Kilos> ek wou did probeer ja
[18:04] <inetpro> ai!
[18:04] <inetpro> hoekom?
[18:04] <Kilos> mmar nie met als cli nie
[18:04] <Kilos> vinniger
[18:04] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:05] <Kilos> as dit hierdie goed kan teel is dit goed
[18:05] <Kilos> maar ek moet sien wat is wat
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: jy't so pas begin gewoond raak aan unity
[18:06] <inetpro> ek sou aanbeveel dat jy so bietjie aanhou daarmee
[18:06] <Kilos> lol ja ek weet maar a change is as good as a holiday
[18:06] <Kilos> ok
[18:06] <Kilos> en kde ook
[18:06] <Kilos> moenie vergeet nie
[18:06] <Kilos> en maverick
[18:06] <Kilos> en server
[18:06] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:07] <Kilos> raak net bietjie dearmekaar partykeer
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:08] <Kilos> deurmekaar
[18:08] <plustwo> o/ hi all
[18:08] <Kilos> hi plustwo wb
[18:08] <plustwo> yo yo Kilos...
[18:09] <Kilos> you like a major lurker hey?
[18:09] <Kilos> hehe
[18:09] <Kilos> 6 months at a time
[18:09] <plustwo> kindof...
[18:09] <plustwo> hehe
[18:09] <plustwo> inetpro: lo
[18:10] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:10] <inetpro> plustwo: waar val jy uit die bus uit
[18:10] <inetpro> goeienaand
[18:10] <plustwo> uit die lewende bus af
[18:10] <inetpro> lol
[18:11] <plustwo> hehehehe...
[18:13] <inetpro> plustwo: het jy in die klaskamer gaan kuier?
[18:14] <inetpro> Current Session in #ubuntu-classroom: Testing with Autopilot - balloons, thomi
[18:14] <plustwo> inetpro: ja meneer...
[18:14] <inetpro> ahh
[18:14] <plustwo> my kop is nou bietjie seer...
[18:14]  * inetpro wonders what that is all about
[18:15] <inetpro> plustwo: het jy balonne opgeblaas?
[18:16] <plustwo> nee, lol
[18:16] <Kilos> inetpro, het jy die glimlagger ge epos
[18:16] <plustwo> it's developer's week on the classroom...
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: jaja
[18:17] <Kilos> oh thats where the weed is
[18:17] <Kilos> i saw his nick there
[18:17] <plustwo> hmmmm ....
[18:18] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:18] <Kilos> i tried to get that quickly but it didnt download
[18:18] <Kilos> just said it will download soon for hours
[18:18] <Kilos> grrr
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:19]  * inetpro can smell the coffee already
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro, did you get quickly downloaded
[18:19] <plustwo> Maaz: hi
[18:19] <Maaz> Hello plustwo
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not in the classroom
[18:20] <Kilos> sigh
[18:20] <Kilos> this was hours ago with the writing ubuntu apps
[18:21] <inetpro> my job is just to make peeps aware of these things
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <plustwo> quickly is quite good, i used it a few times trying my hand at development
[18:22]  * inetpro ran out of time on sysadmin alone a long time ago, no time for development
[18:22] <Kilos> looks abit easier than vim
[18:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[18:22] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:22] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:22] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[18:22] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:22] <inetpro> zeref: wb
[18:23]  * plustwo wrote a dvd library app some weeks ago
[18:24]  * inetpro sits back and enjoys a fresh cup of coffee and rusks
[18:26] <plustwo> if one want to suggest a topic for the ubuntu-classroom, where would one send it to or to who?
[18:28] <superfly> ubuntu-classroom-chat I think
[18:28] <plustwo> ok, will give it a try.
[18:28] <plustwo> superfly: thank you
[18:29] <Kilos> maybe these guys will know too
[18:29] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/application-development
[18:36] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[20:21] <Vince-0> read about ProjectSunrise
[20:21] <Vince-0> http://pastebin.com/8fJbajpc
[20:21] <Vince-0> Africa / ZA hacktivism it seems a bit weak
[20:23]  * Squirm yawns
[20:23] <Squirm> night all
[20:23] <Vince-0> cya