[00:00] all three urls? [00:00] Xorg, lspci, and lsmod? [00:00] sure if you want, but i'd probably just pull out the relevant lines from the lspci and actually include that text in the bug description [00:01] or include all three but explain you have a savage-ix or whatever the heck the dumb thing is called XD [00:02] urgh, what are the relevant lines from the lspci?? [00:05] oh hold on [00:05] nm [00:05] I think I got it, [00:05] just the VGA compat controller [00:05] just put that right in the bug report [00:06] sorry for the message [00:06] figured i'd flood you and nott the whole channel :) [00:07] genoobie: you can keep the rest of the convo going here [00:08] oaky [00:08] okay I mean [00:08] the wireless isn't working either [00:08] I figured I give that a go in the live CD [00:08] hold [00:09] or should I install 1st...holding [00:09] do you have ethernet? [00:09] yes [00:10] then i'd go ahead and install with ethernet [00:10] working too :) [00:10] okay [00:10] but first [00:10] lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4 [00:10] in the live? [00:10] let me know what's after the 14e4 [00:10] yep [00:10] now the terminal window is still in "ubuntu-bug blah" [00:11] should I ctrl c? [00:11] no [00:11] hrm [00:11] just open a new terminal [00:11] or a new tab in the same terminal [00:11] the bug says reported in launchpad [00:11] then yeah you can kill it [00:12] see, I wish I had the skills to update the driver file to fix the problem :) [00:12] well we all have our limits XD [00:12] 4320 [00:13] wweird [00:13] but the lspci reports 4306 [00:13] those are diffeent [00:13] don't worry [00:13] but you need b43legacy [00:13] okay, another bug report? [00:13] nono [00:13] broadcom chips are ALWAYS a problem [00:13] heh [00:14] there's a whole page on the ubuntu wiki for it [00:14] yay ready for the install [00:14] this usually takes about an hour [00:14] sudo apt-get install firmware-b43legacy-installer [00:14] needs to be restarted [00:14] do that after the install [00:14] uh wait [00:14] like when you're in the installed thing [00:15] will running in a more minimal x-enviro help the computer stream video? [00:15] because even though I'm gradually migrating over to linux [00:16] xp pro still runs pretty well on this machine [00:16] probably more of a ram issue than anything [00:16] and I happen to have the license. [00:17] I can hard shut down the machine now, right? [00:17] when you're done installing [00:17] well xp can stream it same hardware. [00:17] and dare I say full screen almost smooth... [00:17] :) [00:18] I've got 50 gigs [00:18] I'll probably set aside 25 for lubuntu and 25 for experimental [00:18] antix, bodhi, etc. [00:19] or 35 lubuntu and 15 experimental...doesn't really matter I'll never get close to those limits anyhow... [00:21] every now and then i try a new os [00:21] mainly i like lubuntu [00:22] arch is a close second [00:24] yeah, I had some problems with arch [00:25] don't want to update the installer [00:25] arch seems pretty customizable [00:25] I like apt-get [00:25] do not download updates while installing, correct? [00:26] fluendo mp3 player?? [00:26] sure, why not. [00:26] but I want to avoid updates, correct? [00:27] yep [00:30] I've not been reading as I've been out, and also fixing issues, but if it's one package you can set a hold on it. [00:32] i already said that, mr. old news [00:45] wxl, why not a big fan of puppy or bodhi? [00:55] puppy i find kludgy and bodhi's enlightment is just not my favorite desktop environment [00:55] genoobie: ↑ [01:00] ugh [01:00] screen is black [01:00] install appears dead [01:00] wtf [01:00] I didn't step away for but a minute [01:01] hdd light is not on [01:01] argh [01:01] c'mon. [01:07] should I give it one more shot? [01:09] I picked lubuntu because it seemed light [01:09] argh [01:09] it might be ubiquity [01:09] i had a hard time installing on a low-ram machine recently [01:10] i had to resort to using the alternate installed [01:10] installed/installer [01:11] I like lubuntu very much but suddenly it started to ask root password simply to connect to wlan [01:11] what went wrong? [01:12] :O [01:12] now there's a new one [01:12] what version are you on kektal ? [01:12] 12.10 all updates [01:12] 64bit [01:12] wow [01:14] Unit193: didn't we used to, like 2 versions ago, have a problem with passwords for wifi? [01:18] ugh, seriously I have to download my 4th iso? [01:18] another coaster... [01:18] you need rws genoobie :) [01:18] rws? [01:19] re-writeable discs [01:20] heh [01:21] just reading on a forum about anti-x [01:21] based on peanut linux [01:21] looking for something that I can "grow" into [01:22] been a while since I've used linux, is 20gb root still considered plenty? it's filling awfully fast [01:25] welllllllllll i'm headed home [01:26] i'll be back later tho [01:26] best of luck to you genoobie [01:26] sorry i couldn't be of more help kektal but yes 20gb is enough [01:27] thanks for all the help wxl [01:28] if anything I learned pastebinit [01:29] wxl nvm [01:36] kektal: Do you have it selected to allow all users to use the settings? [01:37] genoobie: AntiX is Debian testing based, was mepis. [01:37] Unit193: dunno, where to see? [01:39] It's a checkbox in the network settings. [01:41] Unit193: yes it is *available* once connected to all, but connecting to other wlans require root password every time [01:42] as well as trying to edit any network settings, === IboS_ is now known as IboS [04:49] genoobie: you all fixed yet? [04:50] nah [04:51] trying a debian install [04:51] it's rough too [04:51] and somehow the debian I picked has the 2.6 kernel [04:51] wtf [04:51] this is all goofed [04:52] wxl, lubuntu is lxde correct? [04:53] yeppers [04:53] I mean I can always change that later [04:53] you gave up on lubuntu for some reason? [04:53] wxl would I really expect much better performance out of debian [04:54] nah, I was waiting for lubuntu to download [04:54] well remember ubuntu's upstream is debian [04:55] so there's not too much difference [04:55] I could try and trim it if I felt like it [05:03] I'm thinking what I should do is give up on this crappy hardware :) [05:05] well that's a thought [05:05] given that i STILL have a powerbook g3 ppc that i plan on putting lubuntu on, i probably can't back you on it though :) [05:08] remember the 12.04 lubuntu failed in "desktop" without reasonable cause [05:08] ya [05:08] and this is why you started downloading the alternate, yes? [05:09] yes [05:09] in the meantime I had a debian distro around [05:11] was thinking that xfce might be a bit lighter still [05:11] my experience dictates otherwise [05:20] have you ever upgraded a *nix OS? [05:21] hell yes [05:21] reliable? [05:21] as a general rule [05:21] my lubuntu on one machine is 11 [05:21] i tend to run pretty bleeding edge and i rarely have problems [05:21] it keeps asking to go to 12. [05:21] i'm running 13.04 daily (well, as of about a week ago) on an amd64 laptop with <512mb ram [05:21] I have an NAS for all my mission critical data [05:22] cie [05:22] er [05:22] nice [05:22] my rule of thumb is clean install with each upgrade [05:22] so i can reinstall w/o a prob [05:22] therefore i'm usually 2 releases behind [05:22] :P [05:22] i usually do-release-upgrade [05:22] hah [05:34] /join ##freebsed [05:34] oops [05:41] still installing [05:42] * wxl begins installing on a virtual x86 w/ 512mb of ram [05:43] wxl, what for? [05:43] genoobie: testing, always testing [05:43] wxl: you have so much time for activities....aka testing [05:44] so what is your motive here.. [05:44] mysteriousdaren: presently tho that's not always the case [05:44] genoobie: hopefuly help the next release work :) [05:45] wxl: good man [06:11] holy [06:12] i'm not that good [06:12] : [06:12] er :O [06:13] at least the splash screen is up longer... [06:14] wxl, openbox is just another DE correct? [06:14] window manager [06:14] but yes [06:14] before I do anything else [06:15] I want to take care of that hold [06:15] HO [06:15] you have an install [06:15] excellent [06:16] error [06:17] operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area [06:17] sudo echo? [06:17] hm [06:17] sudo dpkg more likely [06:17] okay [06:17] got the $ [06:18] now I can update freely [06:18] last thing [06:18] brb [06:24] okay [06:24] now I am talking to you from inside my install finally [06:24] I am happy [06:24] ooooo [06:24] and you've learned a lot along the way [06:24] now go my son, and spread the gospel according to lubuntu :) [06:25] so the only other thing I'd like to address is the wireless [06:25] the b43legacy [06:25] I'd rather not use the additional drivers thing because that froze in xubuntu [06:25] don't see why I'd expect much different here atm [06:25] so to do it manually... [06:25] oh it should work fine [06:25] unless there's another bug of some kind [06:26] well [06:26] I wouldn't be shocked [06:26] so you say skip the manual steps [06:26] just use the additional drivers tool? [06:26] nope [06:26] hold [06:27] sudo apt-get install firmware-b43legacy-installer [06:30] or I should say the restricted drivers tool [06:30] btw this is much smoother than 11 on a higher powered machine [06:30] I like it [06:30] nice, got a crash [06:30] probably b/c of updates [06:30] should I update first? [06:30] yeah prolly a good idea [06:31] sudo apt-get update? [06:31] yeps [06:37] okay wlan card lights are on [06:38] configuring... [06:45] okay [06:45] I am going to update... [06:47] seems like it would have to do a partial upgrade 1st [06:48] ? [06:49] seems like there'd be a hierarchy to some upgrades [06:49] this lubuntu seems better than 11 [06:50] if you're on package x and the next available is z, you don't have to get y first [06:50] if that's what you mean [06:50] well because of deps you'd think so pkgs would have to be installed first [06:51] but maybe aptitude takes care of all that [06:51] it does [06:51] hrm there's a new kernel [06:52] I also get a bit scared when the logout / login happens b/c there's a display shift [06:52] and it goes a bit nutty [06:52] I think, uh og [06:52] don't sweat it [06:53] ok [06:53] going to install flash and see how it works in chromium [06:54] then I've got one more laptop to install this on and all laptops will be lubuntu [06:54] tx for all your hard work [06:54] np [06:54] what is gnome-shell? [06:54] nm I'll read about it === pAt_ is now known as Guest31099 [07:54] hey wxl [07:54] are you still here? [08:06] genoobie, i doubt he is, why do you need him? [08:08] well, I can't get stupid flash to work [08:08] was wondering if he had any tips (in chromium) [08:09] genoobie, i assume you have install the restriced extras already [08:09] nope [08:09] you mean flash-player> [08:09] apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras [08:10] it will help, could fix it [08:11] okay [08:11] installing via synaptic [08:11] it says it wants to remove ffmpeg [08:11] just let it? [08:12] Noskcaj, then once the restricted extras are installed reinstall flash player? [08:13] genoobie, sure, you can reinstall ffmpeg later if it maters, it should put flash in [08:13] worst case, just install chrome [08:13] wait, the restricted extras pkg puts in flash player? [08:13] yup [08:14] oh eff [08:14] I am looking at the details window of synaptic and I have to agree to some M$ eula [08:14] any way to do this from synaptic? [08:15] urgh [08:15] wish I did this at cli [08:15] do it then, run the command [08:16] strangely, lubuntu isn't in the ubuntu software center [08:16] what will happen with synaptic? [08:17] idk, you try and work that out, i will get the repo's for flash [08:17] hrm [08:18] brb [08:25] hey Noskcaj [08:25] genoobie, nice link for you here, http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/10/to-do-list-after-new-installation-of.html , it includes the install instructions for flash, among other things. [08:26] rock on man [08:26] :) [08:26] one of these things should fix your issue, otherwise install chrome from that link [08:27] Noskcaj, i installed 12.04, does that still apply? [08:27] re: fresh install [08:27] should do, i will check but those repos should still work [08:28] okay [08:31] http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/06/what-to-do-after-new-installation-of.html for 12.04, should be the same [08:37] cool that rocks [08:37] np [08:48] hrm [08:48] installing without verification? [08:48] ok [08:51] brb [08:51] i have to go anyway, bye [08:51] bye [08:51] tx again [10:27] I ma new to lubuntu and unix systems and having some problems. When I do a shutdown I get some instructions on the screen just before it goes dark. Is there somewhere these instructions are stored so I can look at them with the computer on? [10:41] agura: are they instructions or just some information? [10:42] if they say things like "unmounting filesystems...done" they are just letting you know how the shutdown is going [10:43] They are instructions to fix this and fix that... [10:44] The problem is they are so fast and I don't really understand yet what they mean... [10:49] phone video camera ;-) [10:50] if it's after the local filesystem is unmounted, no logging can happen [10:52] OK, I thought of taking a picture but wondered if there was another way... Thanks. I will be back once I can work out what it wants me to do. === l057c0d3r_ is now known as l057c0d3r [14:41] wxl: well [14:41] I fought most of the night [14:41] I still couldn't get flash to work on chromium (although in 11 it worked almost out of the box) [14:42] I installed both firefox and chrome and neither one worked [14:42] (with flash) [14:43] besides those browsers are so heavy for that older hardware I probably couldn't stream video anyhow [14:43] so I am opting (I think) to go with puppylinux [14:43] if I change my mind later, I'll be back.... [15:16] I did some updates on my laptop today and it would no longer boot properly. It told me that it could not start the xserver. How to I restore my computer back to before the update. [15:36] I recently updated my laptop and the update seems to have messed up my computer. It was telling me that my hard drive had errors and I needed to run the command fsck. I ran the command and now I can see me desktop background and it has the terminal in the upper left corner but I cannot see any thing else. What do I need to do? === 16SAAVUOB is now known as Moewe [17:28] Does anyone have any experience with lxrandr for video out on a laptop install? [17:29] I can seem to figure out how to disable display mirroring [17:30] jpice: try arandr if you want more than just on/off and resolution control [17:30] Is that different from xrandr? [17:31] it's a graphical front-end to xrandr [17:32] arandr always works for me, on supported graphics hardware [17:33] Worked great. Thanks [17:39] Does arandr / xrandr support the mirroring of displays at different resolutions? I.e., my laptop displays at 1366 x 768, and display at 1920x1080, but I would like the screens to look identical [17:40] can you change your monitor output to 1266 x 768? [17:41] 1366... [17:41] right click on it in arandr [17:44] That's what I thought to do, but for some reason, it only allows me to output HDMI at 1920x1080 [17:45] I guess it's possible the monitor Im using only supports 1080p (It's a projector). [17:54] you could play with xrandr --scale? [17:55] try "xrandr --output HDMI-0 --scale 0.71x0.71" [17:56] where HDMI-0 is the output === AlanChicken is now known as alanbell === alanbell is now known as AlanBell [20:11] /msg -im Jukka-PekkaKervinen this is the cheapest one that fulfills that criteria. pretty affordable, really http://is.gd/RH4Xpg [20:11] grr [20:11] sorry [20:12] Good one. [20:12] yeah well [20:22] wxl: hey [20:23] Noskcaj: could not get anythin to work [20:23] anything that is... [20:23] ok, i'm out of ideas then. maybe put chrome on? [20:23] tried still nothing [20:24] genoobie: that's a good idea Noskcaj mentioned. chrome has its own flash. NOT chromium. [20:24] besides chrome is *so* resource intensive that video will likely not stream smoothly [20:24] You can use flash from chrome in chromium, so I hear. [20:24] Unit193: yeah, something to do with pepper [20:25] I don't have the skills for that kind of install, though I am trying to learn [20:25] I'm sorry I missed the first bit again, but can you get the stream URL and use mplayer, VLC, or other such stuff? [20:25] Unit193: where does one hear this? [20:25] Unit193: have not tried yet, but that's a good idea..duhr [20:26] wxl: From the voices, they're all around. [20:26] Unit193: can those players play flash? [20:26] snakes! snakes! [20:26] genoobie: Not flash, but flv files which is what the flash play is most likely using. [20:26] I've done it many a time. [20:27] hrm [20:27] what do you do if you want to watch a short vid on youtube [20:28] Actually, VLC I know supports just pasteing the youtube URL in, but it will try to pull the high-res version, IIRC. [20:29] maybe there's hope yet...chances are it would run better in VLC anyhow [20:30] as opposed to being integrated in the browser [20:30] VLC is Qt, and isn't as lightweight as others. [20:30] oh [20:30] Others == mplayer, a CLI application. I still find it better than flash. [20:31] Unit193: can you watch youtube vids in mplayer (by pasting?) [20:31] I know this seems like a lot of energy for some stupid youtube vids [20:31] As far as I know, you need to pull the flv url. [20:31] genoobie: I do kind of understand. [20:33] hey back [20:33] something happened to the irc interface [20:38] bbl [20:38] still have to do more grading [20:38] the interface is smooth, I'd just like to test out flash [20:39] bbl [21:19] hi there [21:22] if somebody can help it would be appreciated: I am looking for a way to run the installer from within a live system through the command line [21:23] ray: via ssh ? [21:23] you could forward x over and forward the istaller maybe [21:23] nope, via the terminal [21:23] ray: sure.. im just not sure what the goal is [21:23] ray: there is an alternate "text" installer [21:26] ok, I am on a power pc arch and booting a kernel wasn't that easy. The problem is that the graphics are so poor, I can only use the terminal really. I know about the alternater installer but as it was quite difficult to boot the iso I've got I would prefer to go on from there [21:27] ray: i would use the alternate installer [21:27] ray: PPC support will not be getting any better [21:27]