[15:20] <snwh> yo, mpt, i hear you need an icon: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/update-manager.png
[15:30] <mpt> Hey snwh :-)
[15:30] <mpt> snwh, that looks like Reda Lazri's. Have you changed it at all?
[15:31] <mpt> Oh, the logo is white rather than yellow
[15:38] <mpt> and the stripe thicknesses are reversed
[15:42] <snwh> mpt, his was a reboot of my original: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/update-manager300.png
[15:42] <snwh> :)
[15:42] <snwh> and i was looking for a new metaphor
[15:42] <mpt> I see
[15:42] <snwh> and like the 'loading' thing
[15:42] <snwh> (took place on G+)
[15:43] <snwh> more or less i wanted your thoughts on that metaphor
[15:43] <mpt> It's kinda like a torrent, with segments downloading
[15:44] <snwh> i though of making it into little blocks assembling into the ubuntu logo
[15:44] <snwh> more package-ish
[15:44] <mpt> snwh, Escher-style?
[15:44] <snwh> M.C ?
[15:44] <snwh> i was thinking more Tetris
[15:45] <mpt> www.google.com/search?q=escher+metamorphosis&tbm=isch
[15:45] <snwh> one of my favourite artists
[15:45] <mpt> Might be a bit fiddly for icon size. :-)
[15:45] <mpt> Yeah, mine too
[15:46] <snwh> I have a huge poster of relavity
[15:46] <snwh> relativity*
[15:46] <snwh> </end random snwh trivia>
[15:48]  * snwh can't find a google image of what he has in mind
[16:19] <snwh> mpt, something like this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/update-manager.png
[16:20] <snwh> with perhaps 'bad' squares falling from the bottom
[16:34] <mpt> snwh, eep, Matrix
[16:36] <mpt> snwh, actually, it reminds me even more of Space Invaders :-)
[16:37] <snwh> mpt, I was going for the video game look :)
[16:38] <mpt> snwh, I'll be reviewing the plausible proposals with Matthieu James on Monday or so
[16:40] <snwh> mpt cool
[16:40] <snwh> i added the 'bad' squares: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/update-manager.png
[16:41] <snwh> rather 'old'
[16:48] <snwh> mpt, apologies for not going the ML route, but bugging you here would get more immediate feedback :)
[17:02] <mpt> {"error": "Service Unavailable"}
[17:02] <mpt> ah, there it is
[17:03] <mpt> snwh, that poor Ubuntu logo, you're maiming it
[17:09] <xnox> yeah, aren't the "official" guidelines say that ubuntu logo should not be modified and have a clear space around it.... until it went all purple and flowery in raring big fat button.
[17:10] <snwh> no, maiming then? :)
[17:17] <mpt> A maiming-free environment seems like a good thing to aim for.
[17:18] <mpt> I suspec the way to make the Dash button obvious is not to make it flowery, but to put it back in the menu bar, just colored.
[17:19] <mpt> (Which would also have the advantage that you could click to open the Dash without having to reveal the Launcher.)
[17:20] <snwh> i don't like the bfb hurricane at all -as i like to refer to it as
[17:20] <snwh> i agree, much like GS and Activities
[17:20] <snwh> and it could be hotcornered as well
[17:20] <mpt> yes indeed.
[17:21] <mpt> And free up space in the Launcher, and make the items in the Launcher behave more consistently.
[17:21] <snwh> the support should be at least added for the hotcorner if not on by default.
[17:22] <snwh> a launcher for applications
[17:23] <snwh> I don't think (when I use Unity) i ever use the button anyway, when super is much more convenient
[17:23] <snwh> nor do i click activities in GS
[17:24] <snwh> also if the button was returned to the launcher, one would get rid of that sometimes occurring menu-title duplication
[17:25] <mpt> Thunder File Edit
[17:25] <mpt> XChat IR XChat View Server
[17:25] <mpt> GIMP Im File Edit
[17:25] <mpt> etc
[17:25] <snwh> increasingly most GNOME
[17:25] <snwh> apps
[17:26] <snwh> since they migrate to the drop-down menu
[17:26] <snwh> thing
[17:29] <mpt> aka "Let's solve the menu organization problem by not organizing menu items at all"
[17:32] <snwh> it is quite annoying in nautilus, that there's the cog menu and the global menu, so you don't know which to open to get to a setting; i get that the nautilus settings are in the global menu and the setting for the current window are in the cog, but why break everything up
[17:32] <snwh> </end mini-rant>
[17:57]  * mpt is finishing off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#settings-developer
[18:03] <snwh> mpt, neat! that would be useful. is it something forthcoming?
[18:47] <mpt_> snwh, yes, targeted for 13.04
[19:16] <snwh> mpt does apport/crash dialog still need an icon?
[19:16] <mpt> snwh, yes :-)
[19:18] <snwh> mpt, anything you'd like it to be?
[19:18] <snwh> metaphor-wise
[19:18] <mpt> snwh, about 10% whimsy and 0% Ubuntu logo, but beyond that, I have no clue. :-)
[19:20] <snwh> mpt, okay. I'll start anew. :)
[19:20] <mpt> awesome
[19:20] <mpt> thank you
[19:25] <snwh> mpt how about something like this: http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/thumb_small/483673/483673,1272484664,2/stock-vector-quirky-drawing-of-crumpled-paper-airplane-51969973.jpg
[19:31] <mpt> snwh, that could work :-)
[19:35] <snwh> :)
[19:38]  * snwh makes paper airplanes to get a crumple to emulate.