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| ogra | hey | 15:59 |
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| ogra | #startmeeting nexus7 status | 16:00 |
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| ogra | so who is here ? | 16:00 |
| ogra | (sorry, i didnt manage to send an announcement today) | 16:00 |
| * xnox is here in spirit. | 16:00 | |
| ogra | spirit is good :) | 16:00 |
| ogra | so ... seems the distro sprint for n7 work this week was quite a success | 16:01 |
| ogra | thanks to seb128 :) | 16:01 |
| ogra | i personally see the ram usage on an idle desktop being cut in half on my install (using htop) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | thanks to everyone rather, good team work ;-) | 16:02 |
| ogra | battery status was fixed (thanks gema) and the device doesnt randomly shut down anymore | 16:02 |
| seb128 | rotation and bluetooth working! | 16:02 |
| ogra | yeah | 16:02 |
| ogra | and it seems that TheMuso has an idea how to get sound working without suspend cycle | 16:02 |
| ogra | i personally palyed a bit with gps ... i can gpsd to connect and init the device but sadly thats it | 16:03 |
| ogra | (suspecting we need some firmware here) | 16:03 |
| ogra | oh, and i worked massively on the interactive cpufreq scheduler | 16:03 |
| ogra | the load used to be above 1 all time ... this was fixed this week | 16:03 |
| ogra | our worst bug wasnt fixed yet though | 16:04 |
| ogra | bug 1068994 | 16:04 |
| ubottu | bug 1068994 in ubuntu-nexus7 "button1 gets stuck after a while" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068994 | 16:04 |
| ogra | ignoring that obstacle i think we made some leap jump this week in nexus7 support :) | 16:04 |
| ogra | and work seems to be going on :) | 16:05 |
| * ogra has not much to add, anyone else ? | 16:05 | |
| seb128 | yeah, let's keep going this way now that we are started ;-) | 16:05 |
| ogra | ++ | 16:06 |
| ogra | feels like everyone in the distro team actually actively uses the nexus now | 16:06 |
| seb128 | we had quite some valgrind/leak fix actions from some people this week (thanks cjwatson especially ;-) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | still quite some of those to do if anyone feels like working on that | 16:06 |
| seb128 | if you do and need some guidance feel free to ask on #ubuntu-devel or to ping me directly | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | ogra: cut in *half*? wow, that's considerably better than I expected | 16:07 |
| ogra | davmor2 gave a nice hint to statgrab too | 16:07 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit surprised by the half as well | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | I thought we'd managed maybe 10% | 16:07 |
| ogra | cjwatson, overall the desktop used to take above 600M for me when idling, i'm at 357M now | 16:07 |
| seb128 | we didn't did really big improvement | 16:07 |
| seb128 | out of lightdm which cut 25M by not putting the whole process in locked memory | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | hm, yes, 400 or so for me | 16:08 |
| ogra | (currently with xchat and ff with 6 busy tabs open htop shows 570) | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | (that said I have swap) | 16:08 |
| ogra | filled ? | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | 130M used | 16:08 |
| ogra | i have 17M in use | 16:08 |
| ogra | intresting | 16:09 |
| ogra | oh, big thanks to Laney for uploading maliit | 16:09 |
| * ogra cant wait to see it coming out of NEW | 16:09 | |
| seb128 | that as well indeed | 16:09 |
| seb128 | you can get in laney's ppa if you want to try | 16:09 |
| ogra | there is hope it doesnt eat the 30M that onboard takes | 16:10 |
| seb128 | I will try to NEW review it today or monday if I fail getting to it today | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | Do you think we've hit the second memory target on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/raring-targets ? | 16:10 |
| ogra | why is instant on striked out there ? | 16:10 |
| ogra | resume is pretty instant here | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | it links to an open bug | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | which is actually more about slow suspend | 16:11 |
| ogra | yeah | 16:11 |
| ogra | well, i havent run a desktop with FF and TB running yet | 16:11 |
| ogra | not sure if that runs well within 1G | 16:12 |
| ogra | without TB i'm 100% positive we have hit that target | 16:12 |
| ogra | the desktop seems to have a spike hwen starting though | 16:12 |
| ogra | i dont see the 3-400M right after start, it spikes above that | 16:13 |
| ogra | there is probably still work to do | 16:13 |
| ogra | else i would have said we even have the 3rd marker | 16:13 |
| seb128 | there are still quite some processes that run and could be not running | 16:14 |
| seb128 | we will get another set of improvement when upstart for session lands | 16:14 |
| ogra | we're pretty close to the 3rd marker for battery life too i think | 16:14 |
| ogra | seb128, yeah, to me it looks more like there are processes started that then shut down after a while | 16:14 |
| seb128 | ogra, that's orthogonal, but yeah we have a bit of run and exit on idle | 16:15 |
| seb128 | e.g oneconf does that | 16:15 |
| ogra | right, but that keeps us bunmping above the 512M | 16:16 |
| ogra | even though it goes down again | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | ogra: Have we hit the first two battery markers? | 16:17 |
| ogra | we're at least close since the interactive governor behaves | 16:17 |
| ogra | i think there is still room for improvement (afaik android uses a userspace process to dynamically adjust the governor settings, i'll look into that) | 16:18 |
| ogra | X definitely keeps us above 1% though | 16:19 |
| ogra | (i hev never tested the standby battery life, i use my device to often for testing 150h) | 16:20 |
| ogra | oh, i forgot to mention, we have a default usbnet connection on the USB wire now ... additionally to the serial console | 16:21 |
| ogra | that was actually a change requested, tested and submitted from the community :) | 16:22 |
| ogra | heh | 16:22 |
| * ogra hasnt noticed "Play a youtube video of a cat" in the third marker before | 16:22 | |
| ogra | anything else from anyone ? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | not really | 16:24 |
| ogra | hmm, seems we'Re done then | 16:24 |
| seb128 | I will try to send a summary email from things that got done this week to ubuntu-devel@ | 16:25 |
| ogra | great ! | 16:25 |
| seb128 | just to share the good news | 16:25 |
| * ogra hugs seb128 | 16:25 | |
| * seb128 hugs ogra back | 16:25 | |
| ogra | so lets close this then and enjoy the weekend :) | 16:25 |
| seb128 | I will also try to set up a proper agenda for the meeting next week | 16:25 |
| ogra | going once ... | 16:25 |
| seb128 | works for me | 16:25 |
| seb128 | thanks ogra! | 16:25 |
| ogra | going twice | 16:25 |
| seb128 | thanks everyone | 16:25 |
| ogra | done ... | 16:25 |
| ogra | #ednmeeting | 16:25 |
| ogra | #endmeeting | 16:25 |
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| ogra | bah | 16:26 |
| ogra | thanks! | 16:26 |
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| bobweaver | Hello all | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | hello | 18:04 |
| CrestedNewt | YO!! Bobweaver | 18:04 |
| tgm4883 | o/ | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | who wants to chair this meeting? | 18:04 |
| bobweaver | I do not | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: you want to give it a go? | 18:04 |
| CrestedNewt | I'll give it a go - no idea's how though :D | 18:04 |
| CrestedNewt | #startmeeting | 18:05 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Feb 1 18:05:06 2013 UTC. The chair is CrestedNewt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:05 |
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| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology has all the commands | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: tgm4883: do you guys have specific topics? | 18:05 |
| tgm4883 | nope | 18:05 |
| CrestedNewt | mhall119 - will check that in a inute | 18:05 |
| bobweaver | nothing to crazy | 18:05 |
| rewarp | I have a question about writing style guidelines. Non-programmer here. | 18:05 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, ^^ | 18:06 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, before we go there rewarp, lets just cover where we are | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | ok, let's quickly give an update on the mythtv and front-end work, then we'll get to questions | 18:06 |
| CrestedNewt | bobweaver - what has been happening? | 18:06 |
| bobweaver | It is 100% pluged in | 18:06 |
| bobweaver | I just finshed guide | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: #topic Front-end updates | 18:06 |
| CrestedNewt | #topic Front-end updates | 18:07 |
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| CrestedNewt | thx :D | 18:07 |
| bobweaver | that holds real data that one can use and preview what is in each thing | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | np | 18:07 |
| bobweaver | if it is recording or also set up recording | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I had a question about the front-end you've been working on | 18:07 |
| bobweaver | this is just temp | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | you have settings for different layouts, icon-view, listview, coverflow | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | shouldn't those be declared by the Category in the Lens? | 18:07 |
| bobweaver | as I want to have all of the different things for tgm4883 scope for future | 18:08 |
| bobweaver | in the future all things myth will be controled by tgm4883 scope unless we need dire things | 18:08 |
| bobweaver | if that is ok with tgm | 18:08 |
| * tgm4883 nods | 18:08 | |
| bobweaver | for knnow it querys the backend and reads the xml and renders to screen | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | it is like what mhall119 is talking about | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: do you have a screenshot of the guide? | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | No | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | will not go public till 3 things on G+ go | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | that is one of them | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: we got a design spec a while back, do you remember if it govers how the guide should look? | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | but pm me mhall119 and I will pass you example code | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | yeah | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | you question about frontend | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, ^^ | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | Yes the lens can do that already | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | but the user can also do this | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | ok, so it's a user override? | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | Like the user can set up in his lens that he is using Channel render | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | it is now living on dbus | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | in unity | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | well | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | unity2d | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | any other front-end updates | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | ? | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | I can not remeber what I called the glib | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | I've seen you posting a lot of videos | 18:12 |
| bobweaver | yeah I have made david calle lens for | 18:12 |
| bobweaver | news and also for torrents stock and only call them when needed | 18:12 |
| bobweaver | this has cut down ram 1/2 | 18:12 |
| CrestedNewt | bobweaver, so when you say that the user can change the lens, is that to remove channels that aren't wanted? | 18:12 |
| bobweaver | so lens are not listening all the time unless it i needed but that is all going to change in about 3 or 5 weeks | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartScopes1304Spec as well | 18:13 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, yeah I looked at that | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | which is going to keep scope processes from running all the time | 18:13 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, the "catagory let me take screenshot " | 18:13 |
| CrestedNewt | ok | 18:14 |
| mhall119 | the good news is that the Dash "Home" will now be an actual scope, not hard-coded into the Dash | 18:14 |
| bobweaver | http://imagebin.org/245076 | 18:15 |
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| bobweaver | I have also cleaned up the code massivly | 18:15 |
| bobweaver | and made a who;e new framework for qt5 | 18:15 |
| bobweaver | whole * | 18:15 |
| bobweaver | any more things on front end for me ? | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | a framework for what? | 18:15 |
| bobweaver | Phone | 18:16 |
| CrestedNewt | bobweaver - superb looking! | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | I don't follow | 18:16 |
| bobweaver | like removing all the c++ stuff for backend | 18:16 |
| bobweaver | for a explaintion of that size we are going to have to do G+ | 18:16 |
| bobweaver | sorry google hangout | 18:16 |
| bobweaver | next time | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | ok, another time | 18:16 |
| CrestedNewt | ok - so we need to sort out a G hangout at some stage | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | shall we move on to MyTV updates? | 18:17 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, feel free to ping me after thi and we can do a hangout if you like | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: ok | 18:17 |
| bobweaver | sounds good | 18:17 |
| CrestedNewt | #topic MyTV updates | 18:17 |
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| CrestedNewt | OK where are we? | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: I saw you posted a video of it in action, thanks for that | 18:18 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, and I have been talking about his awesome scope | 18:18 |
| tgm4883 | it's being packaged | 18:18 |
| bobweaver | I am pacakging his old on <12.04 | 18:19 |
| tgm4883 | I'm running into issues today with it not starting for some reason | 18:19 |
| bobweaver | the one that I use on my TV | 18:19 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: I saw that your Dee bug is being worked on | 18:19 |
| tgm4883 | yep | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | hopefully that will be in 12.04's backports soon | 18:20 |
| bobweaver | anything else ? | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: once that's packaged, are you going to put it in the PPA with the packages you made for the ubuntu-fr team? | 18:21 |
| bobweaver | nope u2t | 18:21 |
| bobweaver | which is when that goes stable | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | are there unity2d TV packages in there? | 18:21 |
| bobweaver | yeah it is all one big metapackae | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | package | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | and what versions of Ubuntu does it support? | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | 12.04 | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:22 |
| CrestedNewt | superb - LTS is good | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | And I am not moving from that at all | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | why not? | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | but if someone else wants to.... | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | because I am going to use Phone | 18:23 |
| bobweaver | and because I love qml | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | for >12.04? | 18:23 |
| bobweaver | we will see mhall119 | 18:23 |
| bobweaver | that all depends on future | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | is there anything technical that would stop us from making those packages available on 12.10 or 13.04? | 18:24 |
| CrestedNewt | bobweaver, so you are going to use the Phone OS for TV? | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: the shell parts of the Phone are in QML | 18:24 |
| bobweaver | for now because there is no unity 2d on >12.04 I am not going to move it up because I can not do all the cool things that I can do in qml qith Nux this is because this is just me | 18:24 |
| tgm4883 | I still need someone to explain to me why previews from 12.10 don't work in Ubuntu TV | 18:24 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, I will be using what Is in front of me but yes it will run on the phone | 18:24 |
| CrestedNewt | mhall119 - thx for that | 18:25 |
| bobweaver | sure tgm4883 | 18:25 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: because the Previews API was never implemented in Unity 2d | 18:25 |
| bobweaver | the way that I have coded the previews for unity 2d it just reads from the lens | 18:25 |
| bobweaver | there is no catagorys to add to them | 18:25 |
| bobweaver | though I could make them | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | but that is a waste of my time as 1) I have something that is awesome | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: you've implemented the Previews API? | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | 2) I want to make Phone and it togeather | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, yes | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | there are now previews in Ubuntu TV | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | cool | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | for almost everything | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | for any scope that provides it? | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | yeah just reads things like uri | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | cat mimeType | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | ect | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | anything that one is passing to unity in lens/scope | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: in 12.10 there was a new API introduced to provide more data for Previews | 18:28 |
| mhall119 | http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/python/Unity-6.0.html#Unity.Preview | 18:28 |
| mhall119 | that's what I was asking about | 18:28 |
| bobweaver | not that far yet | 18:28 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:28 |
| bobweaver | I do not want to hack that deep ^^ which should also anwser tgm4883 question | 18:28 |
| bobweaver | until we get phone | 18:28 |
| mhall119 | ok | 18:28 |
| bobweaver | then what ever that is using to talk to Unity I will be using that | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | makes sense | 18:29 |
| bobweaver | which I am sure all that is going to be AWESOME ! | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | well we're half way through our hour, should we move on to Q&A? | 18:29 |
| CrestedNewt | OK | 18:29 |
| bobweaver | good call | 18:29 |
| CrestedNewt | #topic Q&A | 18:29 |
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| mhall119 | rewarp: you had a question? | 18:30 |
| rewarp | Yes. | 18:30 |
| rewarp | I did some corrections for the spellingcheck branch. | 18:30 |
| rewarp | And I was wondering whether there were any official writing guidelines I could base my edits on. | 18:30 |
| rewarp | I edited the document based upon my academic training, so it may not be suitable for a UI. | 18:31 |
| mhall119 | not that I know of | 18:31 |
| bobweaver | which is awesome btw rewarp and I approved your branch for merged | 18:31 |
| rewarp | Thanks. I did some Googling and found this guideline on lp: https://dev.launchpad.net/UserInterfaceWording | 18:32 |
| rewarp | And Canonical's styleguide: https://dev.launchpad.net/UserInterfaceWording/CanonicalStyleGuide | 18:32 |
| tgm4883 | omg, i don't want your stupid landline service comcast, leave me alone! | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | I didn't even know we had that | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: ? | 18:32 |
| bobweaver | lol | 18:32 |
| bobweaver | tellie | 18:32 |
| CrestedNewt | lol is right :D | 18:32 |
| tgm4883 | people calling me | 18:32 |
| tgm4883 | bah | 18:33 |
| CrestedNewt | ok - lets get back on track | 18:33 |
| bobweaver | good call ^^ | 18:33 |
| tgm4883 | it's like, I know more about your service than you do. leave me alone | 18:33 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 18:33 |
| mhall119 | so, bobweaver, do you have any guidelines or anything you think should be followed for the UI text? | 18:33 |
| mhall119 | or just anything that looks and sounds good | 18:33 |
| bobweaver | Well I am the worse person to do spell chacking | 18:34 |
| rewarp | There is this line in the lp guidelines: Buttons should be Headline Case; the last word capitalized, and all other words capitalized except those three letters or fewer that are prepositions, articles, or conjunctions. | 18:34 |
| bobweaver | I told him about what the things like \t and \n do and He understood it real well | 18:34 |
| CrestedNewt | bobweaver, do I understand that rewarp is helping take some of the strain away from you? | 18:34 |
| mhall119 | rewarp: it seems you're move of an expert on this than the rest of us, so I think we'll follow your lead here | 18:34 |
| bobweaver | correct and he is doing a great job | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, ^^ | 18:35 |
| CrestedNewt | GJ rewarp! | 18:35 |
| mhall119 | thanks for your contributions rewarp, they are very much appreciated | 18:35 |
| rewarp | Thanks. And you are welcome. | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | rewarp, how about this | 18:35 |
| rewarp | I have always wanted to contribute something back to the project. | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | you set the rules for now | 18:35 |
| CrestedNewt | Are there any other area's that you can help bobweaver with? | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | and if we get yelled at we will change | 18:35 |
| rewarp | I am not sure. Not much programming experience. | 18:36 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, I put a thing up on g+ looking for help and there are now 2 people | 18:36 |
| mhall119 | \o/ | 18:37 |
| bobweaver | which is also right you all should join the temp team that I made for this | 18:37 |
| CrestedNewt | YIPEE!! | 18:37 |
| bobweaver | rewarp, apply to join lp~u2t | 18:37 |
| CrestedNewt | superb bobweaver - do you have a framework setup for who is doing what? | 18:37 |
| rewarp | Okay bobweaver. | 18:37 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, not yet I have some blue prints and also bugs | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | that is what I am hoping will happen more but I am not good at stuff like that | 18:38 |
| CrestedNewt | OK but there is a starting point - will PM you later | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | would be cool if we could find a different person that can tell people what to do | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | "when you dont ask you dont expect " | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | :P | 18:39 |
| mhall119 | a project manager of sorts? | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | correct | 18:39 |
| CrestedNewt | Well if I knew more I would be happy to oblige | 18:39 |
| tgm4883 | I'll tell people what to do | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | we should add that to do | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | ok | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | I have a idea | 18:39 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: can you #topic General Discussion | 18:40 |
| CrestedNewt | #topic General Discussion | 18:40 |
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| mhall119 | thanks | 18:40 |
| bobweaver | we have 20 min left after this we can do google hangout and I will tell you all what I need or am doing if you like | 18:40 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I won't be available for a hangout right away | 18:40 |
| CrestedNewt | would love to but for me it will be short as it is dinner time here | 18:40 |
| mhall119 | or maybe not at all today....depending on my other work | 18:40 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: tgm4883: Can you guys go through the work items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-tv-development and update them? | 18:41 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I know most of yours are blocked until the phone shell is released | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, I would like to keep all the stuff on u2t | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | let me get thouse links | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | untill phone that is &^^& | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | Daily PPA for U2t (ubuntu tv proto) https://launchpad.net/~u2t/+archive/bleedingedge | 18:42 |
| bobweaver | Team : https://launchpad.net/~u2t | 18:42 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: that blueprint is being tracked as part of Raring's progress though, so we need to keep it up to date as well | 18:42 |
| bobweaver | Project page https://launchpad.net/u2t | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | good point mhall119 | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/u2t | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | blue Prints : https://bugs.launchpad.net/u2t | 18:43 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, for TV to be taken seriously, as much as I hate saying this, the progress and documentation must be kept up to date | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, can we medge things and what not like say that this effects this also ? | 18:44 |
| CrestedNewt | I hate documentation like any IT person | 18:44 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, you are right about that | 18:44 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: in blueprints? | 18:44 |
| tgm4883 | I disagree | 18:44 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, yeah | 18:44 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I don't know, it can do some dependency stuff, but I'm not real familiar with it | 18:44 |
| tgm4883 | for TV to be taken seriously, we need to actually have something someone can use | 18:44 |
| CrestedNewt | that is also very true | 18:44 |
| bobweaver | how many of you have tried the daily in VM ? | 18:45 |
| CrestedNewt | I haven't | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | not me, do you have a written guide for getting it setup that way? | 18:45 |
| bobweaver | I think that you should before you say that we have nothing that works | 18:45 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, where should I be defining this stuff | 18:45 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, I'm pretty confident I didn't say that | 18:46 |
| bobweaver | sorry tgm4883 s|you|we | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: defining which, a guide to getting it running in a VM? | 18:46 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, no, my blueprint stuff | 18:47 |
| tgm4883 | Define what data needs to be passed between Scopes and Renderers | 18:47 |
| tgm4883 | Define what lenses and scopes will be used | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: at the bottom of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-tv-development there is a "Work Items" section | 18:47 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, yes, I know | 18:47 |
| bobweaver | I think the hardest part is going to be getting people to set up there myth | 18:47 |
| tgm4883 | what I mean is | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | just change the bit at the end to "DONE, BLOCKED or INPROGRESS" | 18:47 |
| tgm4883 | where should I define what data needs to be passed between scopes and renderers? | 18:48 |
| tgm4883 | a wiki page? | 18:48 |
| tgm4883 | in an email to bobweaver | 18:48 |
| tgm4883 | etc? | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | oh, that | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: yeah, a wiki page would be good | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: you can make a sub-page on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV | 18:49 |
| bobweaver | something that we should think about docs for what kinda capture cards are cheap and also work with kernel OFB and | 18:49 |
| bobweaver | Like a recomended stuff like that | 18:49 |
| tgm4883 | OFB? | 18:49 |
| bobweaver | out of box | 18:49 |
| tgm4883 | OOB | 18:50 |
| CrestedNewt | minimum spec requirements should do, or not? | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | can people test capture cards running this from a VM? | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | or would it have to be installed natively | 18:50 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, some | 18:50 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, depends on the VM software | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | maybe we can make a table on the wiki where people can fill in their experience with different cards | 18:50 |
| CrestedNewt | thats a superb idea ! | 18:51 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, there are only 2 types of cards that we should worry about | 18:51 |
| tgm4883 | DVB, and HDHomerun | 18:51 |
| tgm4883 | inside of DVB, good luck making recommendations that work around the world | 18:51 |
| tgm4883 | I say we pick a few recommended cards in a few major markets and stick with that | 18:52 |
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| bobweaver | tgm4883, me or you can make video about installing or should we target usb ones . | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | or just point people at the mythtv wiki and/or linux tv wiki | 18:52 |
| bobweaver | pci or usb | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | ethernet? | 18:52 |
| CrestedNewt | tgm4883 - there may be others as well.... There are so many different formats out there that need to be tested in each region/country | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | CrestedNewt, no, DVB or HDHomerun | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | DVB has subtypes (eg. DVB-C, DVB-S, DVB-T) | 18:53 |
| CrestedNewt | tgm4883 - ok | 18:53 |
| tgm4883 | but the two major types of cards are DVB and HDHomerun | 18:53 |
| tgm4883 | I have stats to back that up | 18:53 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, can you talk more about that ^^ | 18:53 |
| bobweaver | like hdhomerun | 18:53 |
| tgm4883 | more about what part? | 18:53 |
| mhall119 | I'm +1 for referring to upstream wikis if they already have that info and it's accurate for UbuntuTV | 18:53 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, nothing is accurate for Ubuntu TV, it needs to be accurate to Ubuntu + MythTV | 18:54 |
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| bobweaver | I can google after this but I know you know a bunch of good stuff | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | yes I do :) | 18:54 |
| bobweaver | :/ | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | we're running out of time here though | 18:54 |
| bobweaver | like why thous 2 | 18:54 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, those two types cover ~85% of the market | 18:55 |
| CrestedNewt | tgm4883 - lol - we have 5 mins so lets wrap this up or move to #ubuntu-tv and finnish there | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | ok, so tgm4883 are you going ot start a new wiki page for hardware compatibility? | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | and also one for the guide data model? | 18:55 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, that is the perfect reason !! | 18:55 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I did, it's at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hardware | 18:55 |
| bobweaver | thanks n | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: ok | 18:56 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I mean, it might be better for us to have a custom google search of the mythtv wiki on one of our pages | 18:56 |
| tgm4883 | but yea, the world is big so people are just going to have to look if they don't live in a major market | 18:56 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, so we are decided on just these 2 types of card. We need to wrap this up now in reality | 18:57 |
| tgm4883 | I can make recommendations on USA and Canada, and maybe the UK | 18:57 |
| tgm4883 | but outside of those countries, it's "find a card for whatever standard you have and see if it is supported" | 18:57 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, maybe we can do a hangout and we can explain all this | 18:58 |
| mhall119 | alright, anything else we need to discuss before ending the meeting? | 18:58 |
| tgm4883 | really, we should just pick a card for each type HDHomerun, HDHomerun-CC, DVB-S, DVB-SII, DVB-T, DVB-T | 18:58 |
| CrestedNewt | OK ladies and gents, lets end this meeting here and move to more details in the tv channel | 18:58 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 18:59 |
| bobweaver | later in the week that is tgm4883 | 18:59 |
| bobweaver | cool | 18:59 |
| rewarp | Ok. Thanks everyone. | 18:59 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: thanks for chairing it | 18:59 |
| CrestedNewt | been productive guys | 18:59 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I'm going to bug you about some scope stuff probably | 18:59 |
| CrestedNewt | mhall119 no probslems | 18:59 |
| tgm4883 | after I look into this a bit more | 18:59 |
| CrestedNewt | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Feb 1 18:59:41 2013 UTC. | 18:59 |
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| mhall119 | tgm4883: sure, I'll try and get you some docs on the upcoming stuff | 18:59 |
| CrestedNewt | sry guys but I don't like over-runs :D | 19:00 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: perfect timing according to my clocks | 19:00 |
| CrestedNewt | I try :D | 19:00 |
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