[15:59] <ogra> hey
[15:59] <seb128> hey
[16:00] <ogra> #startmeeting nexus7 status
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[16:00] <ogra> so who is here ?
[16:00] <ogra> (sorry, i didnt manage to send an announcement  today)
[16:00]  * xnox is here in spirit.
[16:00] <ogra> spirit is good :)
[16:01] <ogra> so ... seems the distro sprint for n7 work this week was quite a success
[16:01] <ogra> thanks to seb128 :)
[16:01] <ogra> i personally see the ram usage on an idle desktop being cut in half on my install (using htop)
[16:02] <seb128> thanks to everyone rather, good team work ;-)
[16:02] <ogra> battery status was fixed (thanks gema) and the device doesnt randomly shut down anymore
[16:02] <seb128> rotation and bluetooth working!
[16:02] <ogra> yeah
[16:02] <ogra> and it seems that TheMuso has an idea how to get sound working without suspend cycle
[16:03] <ogra> i personally palyed a bit with gps ... i can gpsd to connect and init the device but sadly thats it
[16:03] <ogra> (suspecting we need some firmware here)
[16:03] <ogra> oh, and i worked massively on the interactive cpufreq scheduler
[16:03] <ogra> the load used to be above 1 all time ... this was fixed this week
[16:04] <ogra> our worst bug wasnt fixed yet though
[16:04] <ogra> bug 1068994
[16:04] <ogra> ignoring that obstacle i think we made some leap jump this week in nexus7 support :)
[16:05] <ogra> and work seems to be going on :)
[16:05]  * ogra has not much to add, anyone else ?
[16:05] <seb128> yeah, let's keep going this way now that we are started ;-)
[16:06] <ogra> ++
[16:06] <ogra> feels like everyone in the distro team actually actively uses the nexus now
[16:06] <seb128> we had quite some valgrind/leak fix actions from some people this week (thanks cjwatson especially ;-)
[16:06] <seb128> still quite some of those to do if anyone feels like working on that
[16:06] <seb128> if you do and need some guidance feel free to ask on #ubuntu-devel or to ping me directly
[16:07] <cjwatson> ogra: cut in *half*?  wow, that's considerably better than I expected
[16:07] <ogra> davmor2 gave a nice hint to statgrab too
[16:07] <seb128> I'm a bit surprised by the half as well
[16:07] <cjwatson> I thought we'd managed maybe 10%
[16:07] <ogra> cjwatson, overall the desktop used to take above 600M for me when idling, i'm at 357M now
[16:07] <seb128> we didn't did really big improvement
[16:08] <seb128> out of lightdm which cut 25M by not putting the whole process in locked memory
[16:08] <cjwatson> hm, yes, 400 or so for me
[16:08] <ogra> (currently with xchat and ff with 6 busy tabs open htop shows 570)
[16:08] <cjwatson> (that said I have swap)
[16:08] <ogra> filled ?
[16:08] <cjwatson> 130M used
[16:08] <ogra> i have 17M in use
[16:09] <ogra> intresting
[16:09] <ogra> oh, big thanks to Laney for uploading maliit
[16:09]  * ogra cant wait to see it coming out of NEW
[16:09] <seb128> that as well indeed
[16:09] <seb128> you can get in laney's ppa if you want to try
[16:10] <ogra> there is hope it doesnt eat the 30M that onboard takes
[16:10] <seb128> I will try to NEW review it today or monday if I fail getting to it today
[16:10] <cjwatson> Do you think we've hit the second memory target on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/raring-targets ?
[16:10] <ogra> why is instant on striked out there ?
[16:11] <ogra> resume is pretty instant here
[16:11] <cjwatson> it links to an open bug
[16:11] <cjwatson> which is actually more about slow suspend
[16:11] <ogra> yeah
[16:11] <ogra> well, i havent run a desktop with FF and TB running yet
[16:12] <ogra> not sure if that runs well within 1G
[16:12] <ogra> without TB i'm 100% positive we have hit that target
[16:12] <ogra> the desktop seems to have a spike hwen starting though
[16:13] <ogra> i dont see the 3-400M right after start, it spikes above that
[16:13] <ogra> there is probably still work to do
[16:13] <ogra> else i would have said we even have the 3rd marker
[16:14] <seb128> there are still quite some processes that run and could be not running
[16:14] <seb128> we will get another set of improvement when upstart for session lands
[16:14] <ogra> we're pretty close to the 3rd marker for battery life too i think
[16:14] <ogra> seb128, yeah, to me it looks more like there are processes started that then shut down after a while
[16:15] <seb128> ogra, that's orthogonal, but yeah we have a bit of run and exit on idle
[16:15] <seb128> e.g oneconf does that
[16:16] <ogra> right, but that keeps us bunmping above the 512M
[16:16] <ogra> even though it goes down again
[16:17] <cjwatson> ogra: Have we hit the first two battery markers?
[16:17] <ogra> we're at least close since the interactive governor behaves
[16:18] <ogra> i think there is still room for improvement (afaik android uses a userspace process to dynamically adjust the governor settings, i'll look into that)
[16:19] <ogra> X definitely keeps us above 1% though
[16:20] <ogra> (i hev never tested the standby battery life, i use my device to often for testing 150h)
[16:21] <ogra> oh, i forgot to mention, we have a default usbnet connection on the USB wire now ... additionally to the serial console
[16:22] <ogra> that was actually a change requested, tested and submitted from the community :)
[16:22] <ogra> heh
[16:22]  * ogra hasnt noticed "Play a youtube video of a cat" in the third marker before
[16:23] <ogra> anything else from anyone ?
[16:24] <seb128> not really
[16:24] <ogra> hmm, seems we'Re done then
[16:25] <seb128> I will try to send a summary email from things that got done this week to ubuntu-devel@
[16:25] <ogra> great !
[16:25] <seb128> just to share the good news
[16:25]  * ogra hugs seb128 
[16:25]  * seb128 hugs ogra back
[16:25] <ogra> so lets close this then and enjoy the weekend :)
[16:25] <seb128> I will also try to set up a proper agenda for the meeting next week
[16:25] <ogra> going once ...
[16:25] <seb128> works for me
[16:25] <seb128> thanks ogra!
[16:25] <ogra> going twice
[16:25] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:25] <ogra> done ...
[16:25] <ogra> #ednmeeting
[16:25] <ogra> #endmeeting
[16:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb  1 16:25:58 2013 UTC.
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[16:26] <ogra> bah
[16:26] <ogra> thanks!
[18:04] <bobweaver> Hello all
[18:04] <mhall119> hello
[18:04] <CrestedNewt> YO!! Bobweaver
[18:04] <tgm4883> o/
[18:04] <mhall119> who wants to chair this meeting?
[18:04] <bobweaver> I do not
[18:04] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: you want to give it a go?
[18:04] <CrestedNewt> I'll give it a go - no idea's how though :D
[18:05] <CrestedNewt> #startmeeting
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[18:05] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology has all the commands
[18:05] <mhall119> bobweaver: tgm4883: do you guys have specific topics?
[18:05] <tgm4883> nope
[18:05] <CrestedNewt> mhall119 - will check that in a inute
[18:05] <bobweaver> nothing to crazy
[18:05] <rewarp> I have a question about writing style guidelines. Non-programmer here.
[18:06] <bobweaver> mhall119,  ^^
[18:06] <CrestedNewt> OK, before we go there rewarp, lets just cover where we are
[18:06] <mhall119> ok, let's quickly give an update on the mythtv and front-end work, then we'll get to questions
[18:06] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - what has been happening?
[18:06] <bobweaver> It is 100% pluged in
[18:06] <bobweaver> I just finshed guide
[18:06] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: #topic Front-end updates
[18:07] <CrestedNewt> #topic Front-end updates
[18:07] <CrestedNewt> thx :D
[18:07] <bobweaver> that holds real data that one can use and preview what is in each thing
[18:07] <mhall119> np
[18:07] <bobweaver> if it is recording or also set up recording
[18:07] <mhall119> bobweaver: I had a question about the front-end you've been working on
[18:07] <bobweaver> this is just temp
[18:07] <mhall119> you have settings for different layouts, icon-view, listview, coverflow
[18:07] <mhall119> shouldn't those be declared by the Category in the Lens?
[18:08] <bobweaver> as I want to have all of the different things for tgm4883  scope for future
[18:08] <bobweaver> in the future all things myth will be controled by tgm4883  scope unless we need dire things
[18:08] <bobweaver> if that is ok with tgm
[18:08]  * tgm4883 nods
[18:09] <bobweaver> for knnow it querys the backend and reads the xml and renders to screen
[18:09] <bobweaver> it is like what mhall119  is talking about
[18:09] <mhall119> bobweaver: do you have a screenshot of the guide?
[18:09] <bobweaver> No
[18:09] <mhall119> ok
[18:09] <bobweaver> will not go public till 3 things on G+ go
[18:09] <bobweaver> that is one of them
[18:10] <mhall119> bobweaver: we got a design spec a while back, do you remember if it govers how the guide should look?
[18:10] <bobweaver> but pm me mhall119  and I will pass you example code
[18:10] <mhall119> ok
[18:10] <bobweaver> yeah
[18:10] <bobweaver> you question about frontend
[18:10] <bobweaver> mhall119,  ^^
[18:10] <bobweaver> Yes the lens can do that already
[18:10] <bobweaver> but the user can also do this
[18:11] <mhall119> ok, so it's a user override?
[18:11] <bobweaver> Like the user can set up in his lens that he is using Channel render
[18:11] <bobweaver> it is now living on dbus
[18:11] <bobweaver> in unity
[18:11] <bobweaver> well
[18:11] <bobweaver> unity2d
[18:11] <mhall119> ok
[18:11] <mhall119> any other front-end updates
[18:11] <mhall119> ?
[18:11] <bobweaver> I can not remeber what I called the glib
[18:12] <mhall119> I've seen you posting a lot of videos
[18:12] <bobweaver> yeah I have made david calle lens for
[18:12] <bobweaver> news and also for torrents stock and only call them when needed
[18:12] <bobweaver> this has cut down ram 1/2
[18:12] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver, so when you say that the user can change the lens, is that to remove channels that aren't wanted?
[18:13] <bobweaver> so lens are not listening all the time unless it i needed but that is all going to change in about 3 or 5 weeks
[18:13] <mhall119> bobweaver: you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartScopes1304Spec as well
[18:13] <bobweaver> mhall119,  yeah I looked at that
[18:13] <mhall119> which is going to keep scope processes from running all the time
[18:13] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  the "catagory let me take screenshot "
[18:14] <CrestedNewt> ok
[18:14] <mhall119> the good news is that the Dash "Home" will now be an actual scope, not hard-coded into the Dash
[18:15] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/245076
[18:15] <bobweaver> I have also cleaned up the code massivly
[18:15] <bobweaver> and made a who;e new framework for qt5
[18:15] <bobweaver> whole *
[18:15] <bobweaver> any more things on front end for me ?
[18:15] <mhall119> a framework for what?
[18:16] <bobweaver> Phone
[18:16] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - superb looking!
[18:16] <mhall119> I don't follow
[18:16] <bobweaver> like removing all the c++ stuff for backend
[18:16] <bobweaver> for a explaintion of that size we are going to have to do G+
[18:16] <bobweaver> sorry google hangout
[18:16] <bobweaver> next time
[18:16] <mhall119> ok, another time
[18:17] <CrestedNewt> ok - so we need to sort out a G hangout at some stage
[18:17] <mhall119> shall we move on to MyTV updates?
[18:17] <bobweaver> mhall119,  feel free to ping me after thi and we can do a hangout if you like
[18:17] <mhall119> bobweaver: ok
[18:17] <bobweaver> sounds good
[18:17] <CrestedNewt> #topic MyTV updates
[18:18] <CrestedNewt> OK where are we?
[18:18] <mhall119> tgm4883: I saw you posted a video of it in action, thanks for that
[18:18] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  and I have been talking about his awesome scope
[18:18] <tgm4883> it's being packaged
[18:19] <bobweaver> I am pacakging his old on <12.04
[18:19] <tgm4883> I'm running into issues today with it not starting for some reason
[18:19] <bobweaver> the one that I use on my TV
[18:19] <mhall119> tgm4883: I saw that your Dee bug is being worked on
[18:20] <tgm4883> yep
[18:20] <mhall119> hopefully that will be in 12.04's backports soon
[18:21] <bobweaver> anything else ?
[18:21] <mhall119> bobweaver: once that's packaged, are you going to put it in the PPA with the packages you made for the ubuntu-fr team?
[18:21] <bobweaver> nope u2t
[18:21] <bobweaver> which is when that goes stable
[18:21] <mhall119> are there unity2d TV packages in there?
[18:22] <bobweaver> yeah it is all one big metapackae
[18:22] <bobweaver> package
[18:22] <mhall119> and what versions of Ubuntu does it support?
[18:22] <bobweaver> 12.04
[18:22] <mhall119> ok
[18:22] <CrestedNewt> superb - LTS is good
[18:22] <bobweaver> And I am not moving from that at all
[18:22] <mhall119> why not?
[18:22] <bobweaver> but if someone else wants to....
[18:23] <bobweaver> because I am going to use Phone
[18:23] <bobweaver> and because I love qml
[18:23] <mhall119> for >12.04?
[18:23] <bobweaver> we will see mhall119
[18:23] <bobweaver> that all depends on future
[18:24] <mhall119> is there anything technical that would stop us from making those packages available on 12.10 or 13.04?
[18:24] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver, so you are going to use the Phone OS for TV?
[18:24] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: the shell parts of the Phone are in QML
[18:24] <bobweaver> for now because there is no unity 2d on >12.04 I am not going to move it up because I can not do all the cool things that I can do in qml qith Nux this is because this is just me
[18:24] <tgm4883> I still need someone to explain to me why previews from 12.10 don't work in Ubuntu TV
[18:24] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt, I will be using what Is in front of me but yes it will run on the phone
[18:25] <CrestedNewt> mhall119 - thx for that
[18:25] <bobweaver> sure tgm4883
[18:25] <mhall119> tgm4883: because the Previews API was never implemented in Unity 2d
[18:25] <bobweaver> the way that I have coded the previews for unity 2d it just reads from the lens
[18:25] <bobweaver> there is no catagorys to add to them
[18:26] <bobweaver> though I could make them
[18:26] <bobweaver> but that is a waste of my time as 1) I have something that is awesome
[18:26] <mhall119> bobweaver: you've implemented the Previews API?
[18:26] <bobweaver> 2)  I want to make Phone and it togeather
[18:26] <bobweaver> mhall119,  yes
[18:26] <mhall119> ok
[18:26] <bobweaver> there are now previews in Ubuntu TV
[18:26] <mhall119> cool
[18:27] <bobweaver> for almost everything
[18:27] <mhall119> for any scope that provides it?
[18:27] <bobweaver> yeah just reads things like uri
[18:27] <bobweaver> cat mimeType
[18:27] <bobweaver> ect
[18:27] <bobweaver> anything that one is passing to unity in lens/scope
[18:28] <mhall119> bobweaver: in 12.10 there was a new API introduced to provide more data for Previews
[18:28] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/python/Unity-6.0.html#Unity.Preview
[18:28] <mhall119> that's what I was asking about
[18:28] <bobweaver> not that far yet
[18:28] <mhall119> ok
[18:28] <bobweaver> I do not want to hack that deep ^^ which should also anwser tgm4883  question
[18:28] <bobweaver> until we get phone
[18:28] <mhall119> ok
[18:29] <bobweaver> then what ever that is using to talk to Unity I will be using that
[18:29] <mhall119> makes sense
[18:29] <bobweaver> which I am sure all that is going to be AWESOME !
[18:29] <mhall119> well we're half way through our hour, should we move on to Q&A?
[18:29] <CrestedNewt> OK
[18:29] <bobweaver> good call
[18:29] <CrestedNewt> #topic Q&A
[18:30] <mhall119> rewarp: you had a question?
[18:30] <rewarp> Yes.
[18:30] <rewarp> I did some corrections for the spellingcheck branch.
[18:30] <rewarp> And I was wondering whether there were any official writing guidelines I could base my edits on.
[18:31] <rewarp> I edited the document based upon my academic training, so it may not be suitable for a UI.
[18:31] <mhall119> not that I know of
[18:31] <bobweaver> which is awesome btw rewarp  and I approved your branch for merged
[18:32] <rewarp> Thanks. I did some Googling and found this guideline on lp: https://dev.launchpad.net/UserInterfaceWording
[18:32] <rewarp> And Canonical's styleguide: https://dev.launchpad.net/UserInterfaceWording/CanonicalStyleGuide
[18:32] <tgm4883> omg, i don't want your stupid landline service comcast, leave me alone!
[18:32] <mhall119> I didn't even know we had that
[18:32] <mhall119> tgm4883: ?
[18:32] <bobweaver> lol
[18:32] <bobweaver> tellie
[18:32] <CrestedNewt> lol is right :D
[18:32] <tgm4883> people calling me
[18:33] <tgm4883> bah
[18:33] <CrestedNewt> ok - lets get back on track
[18:33] <bobweaver> good call ^^
[18:33] <tgm4883> it's like, I know more about your service than you do. leave me alone
[18:33] <tgm4883> ok
[18:33] <mhall119> so, bobweaver, do you have any guidelines or anything you think should be followed for the UI text?
[18:33] <mhall119> or just anything that looks and sounds good
[18:34] <bobweaver> Well I am the worse person to do spell chacking
[18:34] <rewarp> There is this line in the lp guidelines: Buttons should be Headline Case; the last word capitalized, and all other words capitalized except those three letters or fewer that are prepositions, articles, or conjunctions.
[18:34] <bobweaver> I told him about what the things like \t and \n do and He understood it real well
[18:34] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver, do I understand that rewarp is helping take some of the strain away from you?
[18:34] <mhall119> rewarp: it seems you're move of an expert on this than the rest of us, so I think we'll follow your lead here
[18:35] <bobweaver> correct and he is doing a great job
[18:35] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  ^^
[18:35] <CrestedNewt> GJ rewarp!
[18:35] <mhall119> thanks for your contributions rewarp, they are very much appreciated
[18:35] <rewarp> Thanks. And you are welcome.
[18:35] <bobweaver> rewarp,  how about this
[18:35] <rewarp> I have always wanted to contribute something back to the project.
[18:35] <bobweaver> you set the rules for now
[18:35] <CrestedNewt> Are there any other area's that you can help bobweaver with?
[18:35] <bobweaver> and if we get yelled at we will change
[18:36] <rewarp> I am not sure. Not much programming experience.
[18:36] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  I put a thing up on g+ looking for help and there are now 2 people
[18:37] <mhall119> \o/
[18:37] <bobweaver> which is also right you all should join the temp team that I made for this
[18:37] <CrestedNewt> YIPEE!!
[18:37] <bobweaver> rewarp,  apply to join lp~u2t
[18:37] <CrestedNewt> superb bobweaver - do you have a framework setup for who is doing what?
[18:37] <rewarp> Okay bobweaver.
[18:38] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  not yet I have some blue prints and also bugs
[18:38] <bobweaver> that is what I am hoping will happen more but I am not good at stuff like that
[18:38] <CrestedNewt> OK but there is a starting point - will PM you later
[18:38] <bobweaver> would be cool if we could find a different person that can tell people what to do
[18:39] <bobweaver> "when you dont ask you dont expect "
[18:39] <bobweaver> :P
[18:39] <mhall119> a project manager of sorts?
[18:39] <bobweaver> correct
[18:39] <CrestedNewt> Well if I knew more I would be happy to oblige
[18:39] <tgm4883> I'll tell people what to do
[18:39] <bobweaver> we should add that to do
[18:39] <bobweaver> ok
[18:39] <bobweaver> I have a idea
[18:40] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: can you #topic General Discussion
[18:40] <CrestedNewt> #topic General Discussion
[18:40] <mhall119> thanks
[18:40] <bobweaver> we have 20 min left after this we can do google hangout and I will tell you all what I need or am doing if you like
[18:40] <mhall119> bobweaver: I won't be available for a hangout right away
[18:40] <CrestedNewt> would love to but for me it will be short as it is dinner time here
[18:40] <mhall119> or maybe not at all today....depending on my other work
[18:41] <mhall119> bobweaver: tgm4883: Can you guys go through the work items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-tv-development and update them?
[18:41] <mhall119> bobweaver: I know most of yours are blocked until the phone shell is released
[18:41] <bobweaver> mhall119,  I would like to keep all the stuff on u2t
[18:41] <bobweaver> let me get thouse links
[18:41] <bobweaver> untill phone that is &^^&
[18:42] <bobweaver> Daily PPA for U2t (ubuntu tv proto)   https://launchpad.net/~u2t/+archive/bleedingedge
[18:42] <bobweaver> Team :  https://launchpad.net/~u2t
[18:42] <mhall119> bobweaver: that blueprint is being tracked as part of Raring's progress though, so we need to keep it up to date as well
[18:43] <bobweaver> Project page   https://launchpad.net/u2t
[18:43] <bobweaver> good point mhall119
[18:43] <bobweaver> Bugs:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/u2t
[18:43] <bobweaver> blue Prints : https://bugs.launchpad.net/u2t
[18:43] <CrestedNewt> OK, for TV to be taken seriously, as much as I hate saying this, the progress and documentation must be kept up to date
[18:44] <bobweaver> mhall119,  can we medge things and what not like say that this effects this also ?
[18:44] <CrestedNewt> I hate documentation like any IT person
[18:44] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  you are right about that
[18:44] <mhall119> bobweaver: in blueprints?
[18:44] <tgm4883> I disagree
[18:44] <bobweaver> mhall119,  yeah
[18:44] <mhall119> bobweaver: I don't know, it can do some dependency stuff, but I'm not real familiar with it
[18:44] <tgm4883> for TV to be taken seriously, we need to actually have something someone can use
[18:44] <CrestedNewt> that is also very true
[18:45] <bobweaver> how many of you have tried the daily in VM ?
[18:45] <CrestedNewt> I haven't
[18:45] <mhall119> not me, do you have a written guide for getting it setup that way?
[18:45] <bobweaver> I think that you should before you say that we have nothing that works
[18:45] <tgm4883> mhall119, where should I be defining this stuff
[18:46] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm pretty confident I didn't say that
[18:46] <bobweaver> sorry tgm4883  s|you|we
[18:46] <mhall119> tgm4883: defining which, a guide to getting it running in a VM?
[18:47] <tgm4883> mhall119, no, my blueprint stuff
[18:47] <tgm4883> Define what data needs to be passed between Scopes and Renderers
[18:47] <tgm4883> Define what lenses and scopes will be used
[18:47] <mhall119> tgm4883: at the bottom of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-tv-development there is a "Work Items" section
[18:47] <tgm4883> mhall119, yes, I know
[18:47] <bobweaver> I think the hardest part is going to be getting people to set up there myth
[18:47] <tgm4883> what I mean is
[18:47] <mhall119> just change the bit at the end to "DONE, BLOCKED or INPROGRESS"
[18:48] <tgm4883> where should I define what data needs to be passed between scopes and renderers?
[18:48] <tgm4883> a wiki page?
[18:48] <tgm4883> in an email to bobweaver
[18:48] <tgm4883> etc?
[18:48] <mhall119> oh, that
[18:48] <mhall119> tgm4883: yeah, a wiki page would be good
[18:49] <mhall119> tgm4883: you can make a sub-page on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV
[18:49] <bobweaver> something that we should think about docs for what kinda capture cards are cheap and also work with kernel OFB and
[18:49] <bobweaver> Like a recomended stuff like that
[18:49] <tgm4883> OFB?
[18:49] <bobweaver> out of box
[18:50] <tgm4883> OOB
[18:50] <CrestedNewt> minimum spec requirements should do, or not?
[18:50] <mhall119> can people test capture cards running this from a VM?
[18:50] <mhall119> or would it have to be installed natively
[18:50] <tgm4883> mhall119, some
[18:50] <tgm4883> mhall119, depends on the VM software
[18:50] <mhall119> maybe we can make a table on the wiki where people can fill in their experience with different cards
[18:51] <CrestedNewt> thats a superb idea !
[18:51] <tgm4883> mhall119, there are only 2 types of cards that we should worry about
[18:51] <tgm4883> DVB, and HDHomerun
[18:51] <tgm4883> inside of DVB, good luck making recommendations that work around the world
[18:52] <tgm4883> I say we pick a few recommended cards in a few major markets and stick with that
[18:52] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  me or you can make video about installing or should we target usb ones .
[18:52] <tgm4883> or just point people at the mythtv wiki and/or linux tv wiki
[18:52] <bobweaver> pci or usb
[18:52] <tgm4883> ethernet?
[18:52] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - there may be others as well.... There are so many different formats out there that need to be tested in each region/country
[18:52] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, no, DVB or HDHomerun
[18:53] <tgm4883> DVB has subtypes (eg. DVB-C, DVB-S, DVB-T)
[18:53] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - ok
[18:53] <tgm4883> but the two major types of cards are DVB and HDHomerun
[18:53] <tgm4883> I have stats to back that up
[18:53] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  can you talk more about that ^^
[18:53] <bobweaver> like hdhomerun
[18:53] <tgm4883> more about what part?
[18:53] <mhall119> I'm +1 for referring to upstream wikis if they already have that info and it's accurate for UbuntuTV
[18:54] <tgm4883> mhall119, nothing is accurate for Ubuntu TV, it needs to be accurate to Ubuntu + MythTV
[18:54] <bobweaver> I can google after this but I know you know a bunch of good stuff
[18:54] <tgm4883> yes I do :)
[18:54] <bobweaver> :/
[18:54] <tgm4883> we're running out of time here though
[18:54] <bobweaver> like why thous 2
[18:55] <tgm4883> bobweaver, those two types cover ~85% of the market
[18:55] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - lol - we have 5 mins so lets wrap this up or move to #ubuntu-tv and finnish there
[18:55] <mhall119> ok, so tgm4883 are you going ot start a new wiki page for hardware compatibility?
[18:55] <mhall119> and also one for the guide data model?
[18:55] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  that is the perfect reason !!
[18:55] <tgm4883> mhall119, I did, it's at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hardware
[18:55] <bobweaver> thanks n
[18:56] <mhall119> tgm4883: ok
[18:56] <tgm4883> mhall119, I mean, it might be better for us to have a custom google search of the mythtv wiki on one of our pages
[18:56] <tgm4883> but yea, the world is big so people are just going to have to look if they don't live in a major market
[18:57] <CrestedNewt> OK, so we are decided on just these 2 types of card. We need to wrap this up now in reality
[18:57] <tgm4883> I can make recommendations on USA and Canada, and maybe the UK
[18:57] <tgm4883> but outside of those countries, it's "find a card for whatever standard you have and see if it is supported"
[18:58] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  maybe we can do a hangout and we can explain all this
[18:58] <mhall119> alright, anything else we need to discuss before ending the meeting?
[18:58] <tgm4883> really, we should just pick a card for each type HDHomerun, HDHomerun-CC, DVB-S, DVB-SII, DVB-T, DVB-T
[18:58] <CrestedNewt> OK ladies and gents, lets end this meeting here and move to more details in the tv channel
[18:59] <tgm4883> ok
[18:59] <bobweaver> later in the week that is tgm4883
[18:59] <bobweaver> cool
[18:59] <rewarp> Ok. Thanks everyone.
[18:59] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: thanks for chairing it
[18:59] <CrestedNewt> been productive guys
[18:59] <tgm4883> mhall119, I'm going to bug you about some scope stuff probably
[18:59] <CrestedNewt> mhall119 no probslems
[18:59] <tgm4883> after I look into this a bit more
[18:59] <CrestedNewt> #endmeeting
[18:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb  1 18:59:41 2013 UTC.
[18:59] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-01-18.05.moin.txt
[18:59] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-01-18.05.html
[18:59] <mhall119> tgm4883: sure, I'll try and get you some docs on the upcoming stuff
[19:00] <CrestedNewt> sry guys but I don't like over-runs :D
[19:00] <mhall119> CrestedNewt: perfect timing according to my clocks
[19:00] <CrestedNewt> I try :D