[00:03] <robtygart> Does anyone know where I can get some extra screen savers
[00:06] <KJ_agent007> do a google search rob
[00:06] <disharmonic> robtygart, kde-look.org?
[00:06] <KJ_agent007> tons of em out there
[00:08] <KJ_agent007> but why bother with screan savers?   just put the monitor in sleep mode
[00:08] <robtygart> cool thank you
[00:08] <robtygart> They are fun
[00:10] <robtygart> KJ_agent007: Turn on some music and sit back a watch your screen savers.
[00:14] <disharmonic> gn
[01:08] <timinphx1> hi there, I installed the kernel upgrade this afternoon, and now I am unable to watch any youtube video's in my Chome browser.  Anyone else having any similar issues?
[01:47] <robtygart> timinphx1: can you in another browser? If not it could be a flash issue.
[03:04] <KJ_agent007> yeah, flash is a little flakey in linux these days
[04:12] <hussaind> hello. i am getting "Please ensure JAVA_HOME points to JDK rather than jre" error while installing idea IDE
[04:13] <hussaind> please help
[04:22] <james147> hussaind: do you have a jdk installed? and where does JAVA_HOME point to?
[04:30] <hussain> james147: is this correct ?
[05:28] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, how can I run a Kubuntu upgrade process from a USB key?
[05:31] <LINKSWORD2> Any help?
[05:34] <ussher_> upgrade?
[06:06] <ghost_> Gotta love GNU.
[07:56] <Jeena> I have a weird problem, I installed Kubuntu on two different computers and on both I have the problem that I can't open Context menus (for example rightclick in firefox) it opens for half a second or shorter and closes again
[07:56] <Jeena> the same happens for select boxes or comboboxes I think they're called
[07:57] <Jeena> is that a known thing with a workaround?
[09:27] <raymears> hi. i am experiencing a frustrating issues with font sizes in swing awt applications, such as NetBeans IDE and a couple of others. The fonts of the window menus have a different size than the rest of kde... any idea how to fix this? I've been googling this issue for about a week now...
[09:29] <raymears> in the swing applications i have selected the GTK Look and feel and in KDE i have selected the oxygen-gtk widget style for rendering GTK stuff. It also works perfectly in real gtk apps...as they look pretty oxygeny. It is just the swing apps that are  annoying
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:07] <raza> Im using kubuntu 12.10. When i go to blueooth it says "no bluetooth adapters found"
[12:07] <raza> any way to fix this ?
[12:11] <raza> Kubuntu is installed on my acer laptop
[12:12] <raza> do i need to attach seperate hardware or any way to find out if my laptop already has it ?
[12:14] <invariant> Most likely you don't have the drivers loaded.
[12:14] <invariant> But you can file this as a bug, imho.
[12:14] <invariant> If it says that in a GUI, then it should have done some effort to find the adapters.
[12:15] <invariant> What it likely meant to say was: "No bluetooth adapters are visible to this software stack because the driver is not loaded and only root can do that".
[12:15] <invariant> Or something like: "Currently no drivers are loaded, but we know you have hardware X, do you know want to load this driver? Please input password."
[12:15] <invariant> Something like that.
[12:16] <yofel> driver loading is automatic. So it's either a driver failure or a missing driver usually
[12:38] <anonim> a
[13:45] <Guest33332> ?
[15:28] <Senjai> Hello
[15:28] <Senjai> Just curious
[15:28] <Senjai> is Kubuntu shipped with that silly shopping lens in Ubuntu
[15:29] <tsimpson> we have no lenses, we have KDE
[15:29] <BluesKaj> shopping lens ?
[15:29] <tsimpson> a Dash/Unity thing
[15:29] <Senjai> Its a privacy joke
[15:30] <Senjai> just double checking
[15:30] <tsimpson> it's not as bad as people seem to want to think it is
[15:30] <Senjai> mm
[15:30] <BluesKaj> what is it anyway ?
[15:30] <Senjai> Not as bad as in .. not as bad as windows?
[15:31] <Senjai> Its used for shopping for music in music players, but it sends all search keywords to canonical servers for storage and targets you with ads.
[15:31] <tsimpson> when you search for something from the default Dash search, it also includes amazon results for that search term
[15:31] <tsimpson> it's not ads, and it's anonymous
[15:31] <Senjai> its not anonymous, your ip is sent..
[15:32] <Senjai> Dash --> Canonical --> Amazon --> Canonical --> Dash
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I used unity for a couple weeks , but I didn't bother with those links
[15:32] <tsimpson> your IP is sent to canonical, as with every apt-get you do
[15:32] <tsimpson> and your IP is not sent to Amazon at all
[15:32] <Senjai> But its not stored for use in the future. Neither are what you use apt get to get.
[15:32] <Senjai> No it isnt
[15:32] <Senjai> Its used to store your searches on canonical servers
[15:32] <BluesKaj> who cares
[15:32] <tsimpson> it's not sent to Amazon at all
[15:33] <tsimpson> and the searches aren't stored iirc
[15:33] <tsimpson> what you have is basically a forwarding proxy on the Canonical side
[15:34] <Senjai> They are stored. The more searches you do the more relevant the information becomes
[15:34] <Senjai> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/does-ubuntus-amazon-lens-break-eu-law
[15:35] <tsimpson> well even so, it's still not traceable, and not included in KDE
[15:35] <Senjai> Not included in KDE is great. Its not traceable from Amazon, but is from Canonical.
[15:35] <Senjai> I'm a privacy nut
[15:35] <Senjai> Not gonna lie.
[15:35] <Torch> Senjai: this is totally off topic here, isn't it?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, what's the command to delete "orphaned modules" ?
[15:35] <Senjai> Torch: I guess now it would be
[15:35] <Senjai> Torch: It wasn't originally.
[15:36] <tsimpson> it's not traceable from Canonical, they can only tell a request was sent from your IP
[15:36] <tsimpson> or rather, from an IP registered to some ISO
[15:36] <tsimpson> *ISP
[15:36] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: which modules are you referring to?
[15:36] <Senjai> tsimpson: Let's agree to disagree on the topic :) Arguements on the internet after all. Thank you for your input though.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, "userconfig/userconfig.py" seems to be blocking  system settings>user management from loading ..I removed the file but it appears un deletable
[15:41] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, the error also states that an orphaned module was left after the latest KDE upgrade
[15:42] <tsimpson> ser Management loads the userconfig.py script, so it won't work if you remove that
[15:42] <tsimpson> *User Management
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:42] <tsimpson> I'm not sure I've ever seen an error or warning about orphaned modules though
[15:43] <tsimpson> I'm on 4.9.5 though, so maybe it's something to do with the pre-released KDE
[15:43] <BluesKaj> I recall seeing them yrs ago , but not lately
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm testing kde 4.10 , but I also had it with 4.9.98
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it doesn't matter much since i'm not adding or editing any groups or users etc
[16:32] <Ab3L> hi. i have a little problem with the sound. from shell i can play sounds using the commands play or mplayer followed by the file.wav i want to play. but when i put the command in ktimer, i cannot hear anything. which is the right command to give to play a wav file?
[16:45] <mandoguit> in the middle of upgrading 12.10 -> 13.04      any buglets when doing this automated upgrade being reported so far?   tnks
[17:00] <giannhs694> no1 speaks?
[18:50] <alusion> Hey uhhh, can I install steam on the latest kubuntu?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> !steam
[18:59] <BluesKaj> alusion, ^
[19:01] <DarthFrog> alusion: I'm running Steam on 64 bit Kubuntu 12.10.  You will need to install the 32 bit libraries if you're running 64 bit.
[19:17] <mandoguit> fwiw.... just finished doing an automatic upgrade from 12.10 -> 13.04 with no problems except having to delete some older kernels in /boot due to space considerations.   Also did a previous automatic upgrade from 12.04 -> 12.10 without any problems.... pretty slick imho!   Thanks again to the devs and others who support Kunbuntu!  :-)
[19:27]  * sbivol thinks that mandoguit is a brave soul for deciding to dist-upgrade his system and thanks him for sharing his experience
[19:29] <mandoguit> sbivol:  lol   yw     was a bit wary of doing it that way too but thought "what the heck...."  ;-)
[19:30] <BluesKaj> do-release-upgrade from 12.10>13.04 worked here , when the live-cd ionstalle rwould stall right after the location and time zone entries
[19:30] <sbivol> BluesKaj: I installed 13.04 (some daily image) a couple of weeks ago and it went smooth as silk
[19:31] <BluesKaj> ionstalle r = ionstaller
[19:31] <BluesKaj> :)
[19:32] <BluesKaj> sbivol, there are still some hardware issues with AMD64bit with Nvidia where ubiquity doesn't recognize the hardware and freezes
[19:33] <BluesKaj> on the live-dvd
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, can I ask questions here about installing printers?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, go ahead and ask .. maybew we can help
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> I'm tring to install a TOSHIBA e-STUDIO255 as a network printer
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> the drivers for this model are not in the ubuntu database (at least not in the installer list)
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> but I've found the driver on the toshiba website
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> here: http://business.toshiba.com/support/downloads.jsp?site=usa
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> sbivol: here you go: http://copiers.toshiba.com/downloads/KB/file_uploads/11087/linux.tar
[19:42] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what to do with those files
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, in the terminal , unrar e linux.tar , then look for the readme and install text files in the reulting folder in your home directory, and follow the instructions given there.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> err resulting folder
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> I succeded
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> i tried the CUPS driver instead of the linux driver
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> http://copiers.toshiba.com/downloads/KB/file_uploads/7837/TOSHIBA_EST455_855_CUPS.gz
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> it worked with this one
[19:51] <BluesKaj> ok , good ..cups is getting better at including more printers then ever
[19:53] <alusion> I'm in a very strange step right now of my kubuntu experience
[19:53] <alusion> I'm about to install propietary drivers for my AMD graphics card
[19:53] <alusion> last time OpenGL would crash a lot with KDE, and it was driver related issues
[19:56] <sbivol> alusion: what Kubuntu version and what graphics chipset do you have?
[19:56] <alusion> 12.10 and I have a sapphire radeon 6850 running on a 64bit system
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: How can I add this driver to the default driver database, so it will be available to others?
[20:02] <sbivol> alusion: I have 12.10 on a sapphire radeon 6760 and no issues
[20:03] <alusion> you installed the propietary drivers?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, well that would involve a lot of  permissions etc on toshiba's part unless it's already been given an open licence/agreement
[20:05] <BluesKaj> sbivol, alusion fglrx driver ?
[20:05] <sbivol> alusion: yes, I have driver version 9.00.11
[20:05] <DarthFrog> sbivol: If you're planning on installing the fglrx drivers for gaming with Steam, AMD has done a lot of work recently to improve them.  But you'd need to get the latest 'n greatest from the xorg-edgers PPA.
[20:06] <sbivol> DarthFrog: I'm happy for the moment, since steam didn't want to create an account for me last time I tried, so I'm happy with the current driver
[20:06] <DarthFrog> And if you add the xorg-edgers PPA to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d collection, a dist-upgrade will also install the 3.7 kernel on 12.10
[20:07] <alusion> Do I wanna do that if I care about stability?
[20:07] <DarthFrog> sbivol: I think you have to have a pre-existing account with Steam (i.e. in Windows or Mac OS).
[20:08] <DarthFrog> No, you shouldn't install anything outside the official Canonical repos if you are concerned about stability.
[20:08] <DarthFrog> Installing from PPAs can be de-stabilizing.
[20:09] <sbivol> DarthFrog: well, there was a very explicit dialog that offered me to create an account, so I guess it's possible.  I didn't get the confirmation email...
[20:09] <DarthFrog> sbivol:  Then I guess my info is out of date.  :-)
[20:09] <DarthFrog> When I first installed Steam (i.e. as soon as Valve released the beta client), that was the case.
[20:11] <alusion> I'm going to setup a backup solution before I go through with it
[20:21] <alusion> what's the equivalent to system restore point in kubuntu
[20:22] <Walex> There is no close equivalent because it is not needed. Most UNIX-like systems have robust package management and library management, and DLL/COM hell usually does not happen.
[20:23] <alusion> Alright well just incase this package screws with my system, I can just purge the drivers then right
[20:23] <Walex> alusion: yes, and there is something called "Safe mode" in ubuntu.
[20:24] <Walex> alusion: the basic idea is that it is very difficult to screw up a UNIX-like system to the point it cannot boot in at least text mode, and from there one can fix any problem with a number of utilities.
[20:25] <alusion> yeah of course. I just want to get familiar with change management, I'm one of those people that likes to drive fast but keep the car scratchless.
[20:26] <alusion> last time that wasn't the case and my system would implode time to time and I'd be reduced to a tty to fix problems in my inconvenience
[20:28] <Walex> alusion: as you may have already discovered the only practical weakness with GNU/Linux drivers is graphics cards...
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Walex, well amd/ati card drivers have been somewhat neglected the last few yrs , whereas nvidia is trying to keep up
[20:46] <frenzz> irc://irc.uragano.org/SunShiNe
[20:48] <sbivol> frenzz: what?
[21:00] <keithzg> BluesKaj: I dunno, I've actually had some pretty bad issues with NVIDIA cards in the last few years, and far fewer with my ATI/AMD ones. Mostly it's just *very* different development approaches (NVIDIA is unified cross-platform, but has no open drivers; AMD keeps distinct per-OS closed lines, and also does open Linux development).
[21:01]  * keithzg remembers getting an NVIDIA issue a few years back where the solution was to disable some specific X11 rendering features. Then a friend running Windows got hit by the same bug. "Oh, I fixed that on my machine! . . . but, err, the fix may not be too applicable to your box."
[21:05] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I've had both amd and nvidia cards on a couple of linux machines and i've always been able to find a driver fix with nvidia , not so with amd . IME
[21:09] <Walex> keithzg: nVidia claim that the driver source is the same on Linux and MS-Windows, just the OS dependent wrapper is different (very different).
[21:29] <keithzg> walex: Indeed, hence identical issues on such fundamentally different platforms.
[21:31] <keithzg> BluesKaj: yeah, it's always per-person, the experience. I was mostly just saying that it's not like AMD's drivers aren't under constant development, because they are; but the split nature of the development (windows, Linux closed-source, Linux open-source) results in certain issues, while the Nvidia approach results in others. Like how I couldn't even run KDE4 without constant crashing until ~4.3, heh (mostly TwinView was at fault there).
[23:18] <entreri> hey there, I'm looking to install Ubuntu or Kubuntu on an old netbook, which one is lighter ?
[23:19] <entreri> Ubuntu use to lag a lot and I wonder if Kubuntu would be better