=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Afwas_ is now known as Afwas === emma_ is now known as em [11:37] can someone in precise please start simutrans and select german as language and see if it crashes? [11:40] jtaylor: sure [11:40] thx [11:41] jtaylor: its working on 12.04 and i can select German/Deutsch on my already german system [11:41] k just quantal then [11:42] looking at bug 1113356 [11:44] jtaylor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/simutrans.png maybe you need that [13:02] hello [13:03] hi [13:03] I would like to know if the following would be considered as a bug : in a Lubuntu install, I was about to remove chromium-browser, bacause I installed Midori to replace it : then the package manager wants to install the firefox packages instead. What do you think ? [13:03] hi penguin42 [13:04] hmm [13:05] that sounds like there is something asking for 'a web browser' so that when chrome is removed it decides it wants another one, but for some reason midori isn't listed [13:06] then what should I do ? If I am to seek for a bug report formerly posted what key words should I use ? [13:07] one more question : what If I don't want any web browser, am I not free to not have one in an Ubuntu box ? (in the worse case of course) [13:08] the question is figuring out what it is that has the dependency; for example ubuntu-desktop seems to have a dependency specifically on firefox, but that's ok you can remove the ubuntu-desktop package for example [13:09] melodie: I'm not sure what I'd report that bug against until I found the thing with the dependency [13:10] melodie: it's odd, because midori seems to have the 'Provides: www-browser' tag on it, so if that's just what something was asking for it should be fine [13:12] I am not sure I understand what you just said. all i know is midori is installed in that box of mine (I have lubuntu at different places, here it's in vbox, to make tests in it) [13:13] I think that "something" didn't find it if this is what is seeking for. else, it's seeking for else than www-browser ? [13:26] penguin42, I didn't find any related bug, it does not mean that there is not one filed up, but I'll post one of mine : if I ever find the link to "New bug" ! :-( [13:26] where is the link to new bug please ? [13:26] melodie: The easiest thing is from your running system to type ubuntu-bug packagename [13:27] melodie: You need to pick a package - but it's difficult to say at this point [13:28] melodie: Packages have 'dependencies' - i.e. to install y-package you *must* have z-package installed [13:28] melodie: y-package might say it needs www-browser or it might say it needs firefox, or it might say it needs 'firefox|chromium-browser' [13:28] melodie: If you find y-package? [13:29] * penguin42 pops out === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [13:34] how do you want me to find y-package, penguin42 ? [13:35] launching ubuntu-bug agains chromium-browser [13:36] anyhow this package should be removed without triggering the install of another web-browser : the users are not that stupid ? [13:37] penguin42, I can't use apport to do that, there is no option to write something there [13:38] it just allows "sending a bug" : but what bug if I can't say what is bothering ? [13:40] ok : it opens a window with an url in... chromium browser! [13:44] now what ? :o [13:44] I tried to get the url from the invited to the host and put it in Firefox in my host: [13:44] https://login.launchpad.net/hNVZVX1d2w7N7LXP/+decide [13:44] answer: [13:44] Invalid OpenID transaction [13:44] is that bug report system just mad ? [13:47] go the link ! [13:47] had to search it from ubuntu.com directly [13:59] bug report sent, result "Timeout error" [13:59] :@ [14:00] Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. [14:00] I'll have to write it again. never seen that at launchpad so far. [14:00] really ! [14:09] done ! [14:09] penguin42, here is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1113490 [14:09] Ubuntu bug 1113490 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Web browser packages management in Precise 12.04 is crazy " [Undecided,New] [19:27] Hi folks, I'm in my usual confused state. Part of the instructions for registering bugs states that you need to have a signed PGP key on your launchpad account, yet one of the guys who registers bugs does not have one. Thus my confusion! [19:43] you don't need a key to report bugs [19:43] phillw: Where did you find that? [19:58] penguin42: I'm now trawling through the various wiki links to try and find the offending article! [20:04] phillw: You just need a login on launchpad [20:05] penguin42: thanks, I can remove all of that from the pre-requisites to the classroom session. I cannot now find the wiki page that stated it, but will keep my eye open for it :) [20:06] hehe [20:09] penguin42: thanks for the clarification, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_2 is now good to go :) [20:11] cool [20:19] people from -bugs are welcome to attend for when people ask me questions I cannot answer :) [20:20] you picked the wrong week; I'll be working that week [20:22] * TheLordOfTime glances at the link [20:22] bleh, phillw [20:22] you scheduled that into the time when i'm busyish :/ [20:23] phillw: also, penguin42's right, you don't need a key nor PGP key nor otherwise to report a bug. [20:23] just an LP account [20:24] TheLordOfTime: so I have learned. and, as ever, the wiki page that told me that you do is no where to be found! [20:24] probably because it was never there :P [20:25] phillw: there's a section on using bazaar to submit a patch, somewhere else... [20:25] I think they hide when ever you spot them [20:25] but rthat's implied you need a key [20:25] and of course, debdiffs, and debuild -S, they need PGP keys [20:25] ... and why do i have 3 *new* PGP keys I didn't have before? [20:25] o.O [20:26] penguin42: true statement [20:28] TheLordOfTime: if truth be know, I was hoping Nicholas or some one from -bugs would be holding the session :) But, what the heck... you can all complain later for stuff I get wrong :P [20:30] you never bothered emailing the bugsquad and bugcontrol lists did you? or at least email bugsquad's list, and then someone forwards to bug control. [20:32] phillw: i'll be aroundish [20:32] or rather try to be, for the first session [20:32] but i'm not running the session :p [20:34] TheLordOfTime: as I have to cover reporting bugs on test cases as well as the general bug reporting, I am okay with holding it :) [20:34] a few friendly faces in classroom-chat will be welcome :) [20:34] i can't be there the entire time, i have class at 12:00 UTC-5 [20:35] so i have to dart out at about 11:45 UTC-5 [20:35] I'm sure Gema will be more than able to hold her own on the following session :D [20:35] (add 5 hours to the times above to get UTC) [20:42] i'm more concerned about your session [20:43] because if someone asks where they should report their hardware not working, well... [20:43] we run into weird edge cases where it could fall into two possible destinations instead of one, since the wiki mentions where hardware bugs go [21:36] bye [21:40] TheLordOfTime: That's not normally two bad, in general the guys who know about it tend to be the same guys on both sides, although I guess it's to go with the more specific one (like tending to go with X even if it's likely to be the DRM driver in the kernel) [21:40] true, its when we get asked "How should I file it?" it becomes confusing [21:41] TheLordOfTime: yeh I guess at some point it comes down to gut feel [21:45] my specialty's server bugs. and a few select packages. so... [21:45] *shrugs* [21:45] TheLordOfTime: It's one of those things like when a particular server won't work with a particular client and you have no clue which is at fault [21:48] yep [21:48] except usually its kernel, since there's no X there :P === jbicha_ is now known as jbicha