[11:37] <jtaylor> can someone in precise please start simutrans and select german as language and see if it crashes?
[11:40] <iceroot> jtaylor: sure
[11:40] <jtaylor> thx
[11:41] <iceroot> jtaylor: its working on 12.04 and i can select German/Deutsch on my already german system
[11:41] <jtaylor> k just quantal then
[11:42] <jtaylor> looking at bug 1113356
[11:44] <iceroot> jtaylor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/simutrans.png  maybe you need that
[13:02] <melodie> hello
[13:03] <penguin42> hi
[13:03] <melodie> I would like to know if the following would be considered as a bug : in a Lubuntu install, I was about to remove chromium-browser, bacause I installed Midori to replace it : then the package manager wants to install the firefox packages instead. What do you think ?
[13:03] <melodie> hi penguin42
[13:04] <penguin42> hmm
[13:05] <penguin42> that sounds like there is something asking for 'a web browser' so that when chrome is removed it decides it wants another one, but for some reason midori isn't listed
[13:06] <melodie> then what should I do ? If I am to seek for a bug report formerly posted what key words should I use ?
[13:07] <melodie> one more question : what If I don't want any web browser, am I not free to not have one in an Ubuntu box ? (in the worse case of course)
[13:08] <penguin42> the question is figuring out what it is that has the dependency; for example ubuntu-desktop seems to have a dependency specifically on firefox, but that's ok you can remove the ubuntu-desktop package for example
[13:09] <penguin42> melodie: I'm not sure what I'd report that bug against until I found the thing with the dependency
[13:10] <penguin42> melodie: it's odd, because midori seems to have the 'Provides: www-browser' tag on it, so if that's just what something was asking for it should be fine
[13:12] <melodie> I am not sure I understand what you just said. all i know is midori is installed in that box of mine (I have lubuntu at different places, here it's in vbox, to make tests in it)
[13:13] <melodie> I think that "something" didn't find it if this is what is seeking for. else, it's seeking for else than www-browser ?
[13:26] <melodie> penguin42, I didn't find any related bug, it does not mean that there is not one filed up, but I'll post one of mine : if I ever find the link to "New bug" ! :-(
[13:26] <melodie> where is the link to new  bug please ?
[13:26] <penguin42> melodie: The easiest thing is from your running system to type   ubuntu-bug   packagename
[13:27] <penguin42> melodie: You need to pick a package - but it's difficult to say at this point
[13:28] <penguin42> melodie: Packages have 'dependencies' - i.e. to install y-package you *must* have  z-package installed
[13:28] <penguin42> melodie: y-package might say it needs www-browser  or it might say it needs firefox, or it might say it needs 'firefox|chromium-browser'
[13:28] <penguin42> melodie: If you find y-package?
[13:29]  * penguin42 pops out
[13:34] <melodie> how do you want me to find y-package, penguin42 ?
[13:35] <melodie> launching ubuntu-bug agains chromium-browser
[13:36] <melodie> anyhow this package should be removed without triggering the install of another web-browser : the users are not that stupid ?
[13:37] <melodie> penguin42, I can't use apport to do that, there is no option to write something there
[13:38] <melodie> it just allows "sending a bug" : but what bug if I can't say what is bothering ?
[13:40] <melodie> ok : it opens a window with an url in... chromium browser!
[13:44] <melodie> now what ? :o
[13:44] <melodie> I tried to get the url from the invited to the host and put it in Firefox in my host:
[13:44] <melodie> https://login.launchpad.net/hNVZVX1d2w7N7LXP/+decide
[13:44] <melodie> answer:
[13:44] <melodie> Invalid OpenID transaction
[13:44] <melodie> is that bug report system just mad ?
[13:47] <melodie> go the link !
[13:47] <melodie> had to search it from ubuntu.com directly
[13:59] <melodie> bug report sent, result "Timeout error"
[13:59] <melodie> :@
[14:00] <melodie> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work.
[14:00] <melodie> I'll have to write it again. never seen that at launchpad so far.
[14:00] <melodie> really !
[14:09] <melodie> done !
[14:09] <melodie> penguin42, here is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1113490
[14:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1113490 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Web browser packages management in Precise 12.04 is crazy " [Undecided,New]
[19:27] <phillw> Hi folks, I'm in my usual confused state. Part of the instructions for registering bugs states that you need to have a signed PGP key on your launchpad account, yet one of the guys who registers bugs does not have one. Thus my confusion!
[19:43] <penguin42> you don't need a key to report bugs
[19:43] <penguin42> phillw: Where did you find that?
[19:58] <phillw> penguin42: I'm now trawling through the various wiki links to try and find the offending article!
[20:04] <penguin42> phillw: You just need a login on launchpad
[20:05] <phillw> penguin42: thanks, I can remove all of that from the pre-requisites to the classroom session. I cannot now find the wiki page that stated it, but will keep my eye open for it :)
[20:06] <penguin42> hehe
[20:09] <phillw> penguin42: thanks for the clarification, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_2 is now good to go :)
[20:11] <penguin42> cool
[20:19] <phillw> people from -bugs are welcome to attend for when people ask me questions I cannot answer :)
[20:20] <penguin42> you picked the wrong week; I'll be working that week
[20:22]  * TheLordOfTime glances at the link
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> bleh, phillw
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> you scheduled that into the time when i'm busyish :/
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  also, penguin42's right, you don't need a key nor PGP key nor otherwise to report a bug.
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> just an LP account
[20:24] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: so I have learned. and, as ever, the wiki page that told me that you do is no where to be found!
[20:24] <TheLordOfTime> probably because it was never there :P
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  there's a section on using bazaar to submit a patch, somewhere else...
[20:25] <penguin42> I think they hide when ever you spot them
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> but rthat's implied you need a key
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> and of course, debdiffs, and debuild -S, they need PGP keys
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> ... and why do i have 3 *new* PGP keys I didn't have before?
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[20:26] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  true statement
[20:28] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: if truth be know, I was hoping Nicholas or some one from -bugs would be holding the session :) But, what the heck... you can all complain later for stuff I get wrong :P
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> you never bothered emailing the bugsquad and bugcontrol lists did you?  or at least email bugsquad's list, and then someone forwards to bug control.
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  i'll be aroundish
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> or rather try to be, for the first session
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> but i'm not running the session :p
[20:34] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: as I have to cover reporting bugs on test cases as well as the general bug reporting, I am okay with holding it :)
[20:34] <phillw> a few friendly faces in classroom-chat will be welcome :)
[20:34] <TheLordOfTime> i can't be there the entire time, i have class at 12:00 UTC-5
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> so i have to dart out at about 11:45 UTC-5
[20:35] <phillw> I'm sure Gema will be more than able to hold her own on the following session :D
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> (add 5 hours to the times above to get UTC)
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> i'm more concerned about your session
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> because if someone asks where they should report their hardware not working, well...
[20:43] <TheLordOfTime> we run into weird edge cases where it could fall into two possible destinations instead of one, since the wiki mentions where hardware bugs go
[21:36] <melodie> bye
[21:40] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: That's not normally two bad, in general the guys who know about it tend to be the same guys on both sides, although I guess it's to go with the more specific one (like tending to go with X even if it's likely to be the DRM driver in the kernel)
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> true, its when we get asked "How should I file it?" it becomes confusing
[21:41] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: yeh I guess at some point it comes down to gut feel
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> my specialty's server bugs. and a few select packages.  so...
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[21:45] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: It's one of those things like when a particular server won't work with a particular client and you have no clue which is at fault
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> except usually its kernel, since there's no X there :P