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daftykinshrmm00:27
daftykinsi'm playing with my domain's DNS configuration with my provider, their web management panel notes i don't have reverse DNS functioning00:27
daftykinsdo i solve that by creating a PTR record under that domain, or is there more to it?00:28
daftykinslooks like i need a PTR in a DNS zone of my IP to point to my domain?00:28
daftykins10.04 support, does it end this April or April 2015?00:43
solarclouddaftykins: The desktop side ends in April 2013 the server side ends in April 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Version_timeline01:00
solarcloudAre you still up, ya daft sod ??01:00
daftykinslawl01:00
daftykinsyeah i saw conflicting answers, thanks01:00
solarcloudNice moon -rise tonite.01:01
solarcloudActually I have a small task , perhaps you could help me with .. up for it for 10 minutes ??01:01
daftykinsdepends what it is ^_^01:01
solarcloudWell...01:02
solarcloudI need a 15" screen laptop to get more python experience and I need to look at one off ebay .. soooo...01:02
solarcloudI was wondering if you could help me locate a decent laptop that I'd buy for the academic job/task ..01:03
daftykinsdid y'try Dell refurbs yet?01:03
solarcloudebay.co.uk ofcourse :)01:03
solarcloudwhats their address ?01:03
daftykinsjust hunting now01:03
daftykinshttp://www.dell.com/uk/dfh/p?s=dfh01:03
solarcloudI hear the bugle-ers calling .. the hunt is on .. Tally ho !01:04
daftykinsXD01:04
daftykinshttp://outlet.euro.dell.com/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=7&c=uk&cs=ukdfh1&l=en&s=dfh01:05
daftykinsthat's a more useful page01:05
daftykinswow at what you can get for 291 quid01:05
daftykinsthat's laptops mind01:06
solarcloud?01:06
daftykinsah yeah you did say laptops, my bad01:07
solarcloudmmm.. £300 .. I was hoping for a more £150 option .. it is just python...01:07
daftykinshow come you don't just play with virtualisation?01:07
daftykinsit goes down to 17801:08
solarcloudI haven'tgot a 15@ laptop to begin with and that's what I want for the job .. but you think it would be bettr to use my desktop, do you ??01:08
solarcloud**15"01:08
daftykinswell you could install a virtual machine, a 'pretend' computer atop your real one01:09
solarcloudYes, I am well aware of it...01:09
solarcloudI justneed to se the desk that I've bought to set everything out .. which is well away (4 meters) from my desktop machine ...01:09
solarcloud**to use ...01:10
solarcloud... the sound of bugles is distant now .. I think we are drifting off the scent ..01:11
daftykinshttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-RV511-15-6-320-GB-Intel-Core-i3-2-53-GHz-3-GB-Laptop-/330867117632?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item4d09378e4001:11
solarcloudopening..01:11
daftykins190 =/ but buy it now01:11
solarcloude does have very bad feedback from the 21st of January this year ... not sure ...01:13
solarcloud**He does..01:13
daftykinsfor a washing machine though :>01:13
solarcloud.. still it does point to a bad seller .. still not sure .. but tempted :)01:16
solarcloudIt does give a return policy.01:16
solarcloudseems to be a 2011 model ..01:16
solarcloudthe fact it is turned off is a little worrying ..01:17
solarcloudAlso his postcode is pur fantasy .. so the hunt is still on ..01:18
solarclouddaftykins: This one is nice ::: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-VAIO-VGN-BX297XP-17-HDD-200GB-RAM-2GB-Laptop-NO-RESERVE-/190791636345?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2c6c11557901:25
solarcloud... but would you go with a Sony ?01:26
daftykinsPentium M isn't amazing, but it'd do01:26
solarcloudok, then .. I'll get that one .... thank-you.01:27
solarcloud17" screen is ample.. :)01:27
daftykins^_^01:28
solarcloudit will be pricey in a saturday though :D01:28
daftykinsmay be worth a quick google of the model with Ubuntu to see if it runs well01:28
daftykinsATI mobility radeon X70001:28
solarcloudscanning...01:28
daftykinsok that might not be amazing01:28
daftykinsfor newer ubuntus01:28
daftykinsbut, meh01:28
solarcloudAMD stopped support after Ubuntu 8.04.01:30
solarcloudguess that's out then.01:31
solarcloud$ony sucks salty balls, anyway ...01:31
daftykinswhats claiming that?01:31
daftykinsnah they make good kit. just a bit awkward01:31
solarcloudhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154267301:31
solarcloudat bottom..01:31
solarcloudStrange why 8.10 does it and 10.04 does not ?01:33
solarcloudis that common ?01:33
daftykinssolarcloud: it just means for hardware acceleration etc, it might work fine for a standard looking resolution on an older ubuntu01:33
daftykinsand unity2D etc01:33
solarcloudoh ok01:33
daftykinsbut there may well be better results anyway01:33
daftykinson fleabay01:33
solarcloudthought it was odd..01:33
solarcloudI call it feebay, but nevermind :)01:34
daftykins^_^01:35
daftykinsi've sold a few things, bought a few things01:35
daftykinsi hear ya01:35
solarcloudhad to return a jacket last week to America .. it's nice but the post office here is a ba$tard.01:35
dogmatic695mb eps requires 2.4GB ram to open...01:36
daftykinseps?01:36
dogmatic69vector from adobe I think01:36
solarcloudone thing dependancies really lack are ombusmen ...01:36
dogmatic69oh up to 6GB now. 2 more before it runs out...01:37
solarclouddaftykins: Anyway gotta go ... the hounds have finished ravishing the rabbit for one night. Good luck, dear pal .. :)01:38
daftykinsdogmatic69: encapsulated postscript file? 0o01:38
dogmatic69ye01:38
daftykinssolarcloud: gl with the purchase/bid o/01:38
solarcloudo/01:38
dogmatic69daftykins: opened in gimp with no issues.01:46
dogmatic69wont open in inkscape01:47
daftykinsbeat them up, by email01:47
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ali1234hum... implementing cd is annoying07:19
MartijnVdS?07:19
MartijnVdSyou're writing your own shell?07:19
ali1234yes07:20
ali1234if arg='..' else if arg[0]='/' else07:20
ali1234but wait, you can also type ../whatever07:20
ali1234or ../07:20
ali1234or ../..07:20
ali1234basically, parsing a unix path is annoying when you don't have OS functions to do it for you (and tell you if the file exists)07:21
ali1234maybe i can use those OS functions...07:22
MartijnVdS // also works07:22
ali1234yeah07:22
MartijnVdSalso, paths with symlink elements07:22
ali1234there's also stuff that makes no sense07:22
MartijnVdS(not to brung you down or anything ;))07:22
ali1234like /..07:22
MartijnVdSbring*07:22
ali1234symlinks i don't have to worry about because i only have a pseudo filesystem07:23
ali1234since this program may run on not-unix, i can't use OS functions07:23
ali1234so i need a general function to canonicalize a unix path07:24
ali1234then i can test against the directory structure07:24
ali1234with the cleaned up version07:24
ali1234well actually i guess i'm using ftp... maybe there's something in urllib07:28
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czajkowskialoha10:44
brobostigongood morning everyone,11:10
BigRedSmorning!11:12
brobostigonmorning BigRedS11:12
BigRedShello! How's things?11:13
brobostigonBigRedS: not bad overall, and you?11:13
BigRedSyeah, good. at fisdem being confused by a talkon virt networking :)11:15
brobostigon:) ah11:15
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daubersMorning11:28
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Xetius#avlib13:12
popeyAfternoon all13:20
MartijnVdS\o popey13:20
Knightwisemornin13:35
Knightwisehows everyone today ?13:36
dwatkinsI've managed to tidy up, take a box to the charity shop and put the washing on, so far a very successful day.13:49
ali1234i though cd was hard... ls is a nightmare14:26
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jpdsali1234: Now try sl.14:37
ali1234wat14:38
jpdsali1234: apt-get install sl && sl14:38
ali1234i know what it is14:38
ali1234it just displays an animation... trivial :)14:39
ali1234problem: given a list of files: 'dir/subdir/filename' implement a shell with cd and ls, globbing, and relative paths, in order to browse the file list14:40
ali1234it's harder than it looks14:41
ali1234something especially intricate is how ls lines everything up14:45
ali1234implementing that is a major pita14:45
SuperEngineerboo15:33
SuperEngineerpleased to see "next meeting 09/01/2013 20:00" is still there... so comforting, so stable ;)15:34
SuperEngineer[must be an "LTS" version of a meeting15:35
DJonesSuperEngineer: Patience is a virtue :)16:04
SuperEngineer;)16:08
opensportshttps://fosdem.org/2013/news/2013-01-31-streaming/16:15
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penguin42precise's unity-2d is so much faster in kvm than Quantal's unity; the llvm stuff just isn't quite there yet18:05
penguin42popey: Those steam numbers are interesting, I find the low % of macos users curious18:23
daftykinsi think that's down to graphics hardware being quite poor in Apple gear18:24
daftykinsand no option to upgrade of course since they've not done a standard desktop form factor in years18:24
penguin42I think Apple's had high end graphics?18:25
daftykinsnah18:25
penguin42oh, the world must have changed while I wasn't looking, they used to be known for it for all the video guys that used them18:27
daftykinsi was thinking in 3D game terms18:28
daftykinsmaybe the laptops have good mobile gfx chips when they come out, but that doesn't make them great for gamers18:28
penguin42yeh I guess so, I think they emphasise driving large/lots of displays and good bit depth18:29
popeyand very nice display technology18:29
popeyas in the panels18:29
Nils_Hello. Can I ask for help here?18:30
popeysure18:30
popeypenguin42: LLVM is painful18:30
penguin42popey: Nod18:30
penguin42popey: Problem is KVM doesn't have any 3d support18:30
popeyyeah18:30
Nils_Ok.I bought a laptop from ebay with Ubuntu 10.04. Everything works fine but I can't start any apps from the store like steam or other games.18:30
popeywe had a patch for compiz which would improve things in kvm, but it made things worse in virtualbox so we backed it out18:31
Nils_Any default apps are working fine18:31
penguin42Nils_: What type of spec laptop ?18:31
directhexNils_, steam requires ubuntu 12.0418:31
popeyNils_: steam wont run on 10.04, full stop18:31
penguin42Nils_: 10.04 is rather old as well, I'd upgrade to 12.04 if it'll take it18:31
Nils_Oh sorry misstyped it's 12.0418:31
Nils_Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz × 218:32
Nils_with a radeon hd 365018:32
popeyhave you installed steam?18:32
Nils_I tried but I get many errors and it won't start18:32
penguin42unless you tell us the errors we can't guess!18:33
Nils_Running Steam on ubuntu 12.04 STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically on ubuntu Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(1359765526_client) SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request:  12 xerror_handler: X18:33
penguin42you can use a pastebin to show us if there are lots18:33
SuperEngineer_...would say what is my brain thinks about that but code of conduct forbids"!18:34
popeyNils_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175744/x-error-of-failed-request-badrequest-invalid-request-code-or-no-such-operation18:34
Nils_http://pastebin.com/Lh8Tya0B18:34
popeyhmm, maybe ignore that link18:35
popeyi am guessing an ATI driver issue?18:35
penguin42popey: Well it is the glxquerystring error18:35
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penguin42Nils_: If you go to system settings-details-graphics what does it say for Driver and Experience?18:36
Nils_I thought about a driver issue, too because commands like glrxinfo don't work18:36
Nils_Graphics: Unknown18:36
penguin42ah18:36
penguin42that'll be the problem then18:36
popeyso maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#12651318:37
penguin42popey: Not worth trying additional drivers?18:37
popeypass18:37
popeythat one seems to have a lot of upvotes18:38
popeyindicating success18:38
penguin42Nils_: I'd try system settings-additional drivers and see what it says, it might give you the option of installing an ATI driver with just a click18:38
Nils_@penguin I tried and it shows Sorry, installation of this driver failed.  Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log18:39
penguin42...and it said?18:40
daftykinsit's glxinfo right, not glrx18:41
Nils_glxinfo gives me this: name of display: :0.0 X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)   Serial number of failed request:  12   Current serial number in output stream:  1218:42
daftykinsok :)18:42
penguin42Nils_: Yeh that's basically the same as stream, i.e. 'huh what no GLX?'18:43
daftykinsNils_: can you pastebin that jockey.log ?18:43
Nils_it's a big log and pastebin keeps connecting18:44
penguin42Nils_: You can use the pastebinit command18:45
Nils_in here?18:45
Nils_pastebinit18:45
penguin42Nils_: No, it's a command18:45
daftykinsno in a terminal18:46
popey(you need to install pastebinit first - sudo apt-get install pastebinit)18:46
Nils_it's installed and now?18:46
penguin42pastebinit /var/log/jockey.log18:47
penguin42(I think?)18:47
popeyyes18:47
penguin42popey: I'm curious, what are your repeating 15min nobbles of power at about 1am ?18:47
Nils_Seems to not do anything18:47
penguin42Nils_: Should give you a URL you can paste us18:48
Nils_nope just blank18:48
popeypenguin42: tumble dryer, bed linen wasnt dry18:48
penguin42popey: Oh so that was a dry, hmph still not dry, try a bit longer?18:49
popeyyes18:49
penguin42ah18:49
popeyfun to watch18:49
Nils_http://pastebin.com/Nxgc5P4J18:49
popeytumble dryer is on right now18:49
Nils_here it is18:49
Nils_by the way when I try to follow this tutorial you linked me  http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#12651318:50
Nils_and I try the first commands to delete previous stuff18:51
popeyAlanBell: http://switchgaming.blogspot.ca/2013/01/game-accessibility-information-symbol.html i know you're not interested in gaming as such, but interesting anyway..18:51
Nils_it says:18:51
Nils_sh: 0: Can't open /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh18:51
daftykinsyeah that's no biggy, just means an ATI driver hasn't been installed already18:52
daftykinswhich is kinda obvious since you have no glx :>18:52
Nils_so keep following the tut?18:52
daftykinswell i'd have thought you were posting the jockey log to see what is going wrong first18:53
daftykinsdepends what you want to do18:53
Nils_http://pastebin.com/Nxgc5P4J18:53
Nils_here is the log18:53
daftykinsi've no experience with it myself to know what those errors mean 0o18:54
daftykinswell, messages, not errors18:55
daftykins2013-02-02 12:40:50,009 DEBUG: XorgDriverHandler(%s, %s).enabled(): No X.org driver set, not checking18:55
daftykins2013-02-02 12:40:50,023 DEBUG: fglrx.enabled(fglrx): target_alt /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf current_alt /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf other target alt /usr/lib/fglrx/alt_ld.so.conf other current alt /usr/lib/fglrx/alt_ld.so.conf18:55
daftykinsalmost sounds like it's already installed 0o18:55
daftykinsbut perhaps not in use?18:55
penguin42Nils_: Now you've done that what happens if you reboot?18:55
Nils_you mean restart?18:56
penguin42yep18:56
Nils_but I haven't really done anything have I?18:56
penguin42well did you tell the additional drivers to install stuff?18:56
Nils_it didn't worked18:56
Nils_and created the log18:57
penguin42well the log doesn't have anything particularly bad in it, and it does look like it did an install; so try a reboot18:57
Nils_ok18:57
Nils__here I am18:59
Nils__How should I test it?18:59
penguin42you just did a full restart - seems rather fast?18:59
Nils__Well I went to shut down->restart19:00
penguin42and it went all the way back to the bios and came back up?19:00
Nils__I'm not totally sure19:00
Nils__I will try again19:01
Nils__didn't noticed the bios19:01
penguin42that looks better....19:01
daftykinsthat's the first nick disappearing :)19:02
Nils_Ok it did.19:02
penguin42right, any better?19:02
Nils_still shows the same errors when starting steam19:03
penguin42ok, and also when running glxgears ?19:04
Nils_nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ glxgears X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)   Serial number of failed request:  12   Current serial number in output stream:  1219:04
penguin42oh19:05
penguin42(how can he have a 245 second ping timeout when we just saw something?)19:05
penguin42anyway, time for food19:05
Nils_i don't know19:05
penguin42Nils_: I'd try Popey's suggestion19:06
Nils_http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#12651319:06
Nils_this one?19:06
penguin42Nils_: The other thing you might want to check, it's a t500 - does that have both Intel and ATI chips, it might be worth checking the BIOS to force it into ATI ('discrete') mode19:06
penguin42yeh that one, anyway time for me to eat19:07
Nils_so I am at the step: Installing the lastest ATI/AMD driver19:10
Nils_I downloaded it and try to enter the command19:10
Nils_sudo sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise19:11
penguin42Nils_: Actually stop19:11
Nils_but it responds19:11
Nils_sh: 0: Can't open amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux-x86.x86_64.zip.run19:11
penguin42ok19:11
penguin42Nils_: Check the bios is in discrete AMD mode19:11
penguin42Nils_: The error about 'unknown' you got before kind of makes sense for an ATI driver installed but the hardware running on the intel graphics19:12
penguin42anyway, really going to get food19:12
Nils_So I shut down the computer and when it starts again I press which buttons to get into the bios?19:12
Nils_But yeah eat first I can wait19:13
Nils_thanks for your help19:13
popeyNils_: what make/model of laptop is it?19:14
popeyah, lenovo t500?19:15
Nils_yes19:15
popeyone of my co-workers has one19:15
Nils_it's neat and I want to keep it19:15
popeydoes it have a blue "thinkvantage" button?19:15
Nils_but without steam or apps it's terrible19:15
popeyat the top of the keyboard19:15
Nils_yes19:15
popeyso thats what you press to interrupt boot19:16
Nils_ah ok19:16
popeyas soon as it comes on, you stab that (It should prompt you to do it actually)19:16
popeyand it shows a menu, F1 i think takes you to setup19:16
popeybut it tells you on screen19:16
Nils_I will try now19:16
popeyhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/189540/how-to-re-configure-graphics-from-intel-integrated-to-intel-ati-switchable19:16
popeythats pretty comprehensive19:17
popeybookmark that sucker!19:17
Nils__I feel so lost19:25
Nils__So many commands just don't work19:25
daftykinsNils__: like?19:30
Nils__something with sh19:30
Nils__idk19:30
Nils__let me look19:30
Nils__nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ sh test_off.sh sh: 0: Can't open test_off.sh nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$19:31
Nils__when I follow this http://askubuntu.com/questions/189540/how-to-re-configure-graphics-from-intel-integrated-to-intel-ati-switchable tutorial19:32
daftykinsstep 1 fails?19:33
daftykinsNils__: ?19:38
daftykinsstep 2 running the script?19:38
* penguin42 burps19:42
dogmatic69seems flash is broken on 12.04 with latest updates. Anyone seen this?19:46
SuperEngineerDr, Who time, folks19:48
dwatkinsThe Doctor's Wife is a superb episode, too.19:55
dwatkinsI found myself watching Scott & Bailey as a result of it.19:55
zleaphi tombrough20:23
* rowinggolfer adds "raring" to his pbuilder setup.21:48
popey21:54
blabyboyjoin/ ##php21:57
rowinggolferpopey, I still wonder how you are going to deprecate 10.04 desktop in April this year, but support the server for a further 2. Are you going to trim the repo of all "non-server" packages?22:05
popeyno22:05
popeypackages are tagged22:05
rowinggolferdon't understand :(22:06
rowinggolfertagged?22:06
popeyalan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show apache2  | grep Supported22:06
popeySupported: 18m22:06
popey(I am on raring)22:06
popeypackages on LTS releases have different tags22:06
rowinggolferhmmm.22:07
rowinggolferhere's a question22:07
rowinggolferneil@slim-maroon:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported22:07
rowinggolferneil@slim-maroon:~$22:07
rowinggolfer??22:07
popeywhat release you on?22:07
rowinggolferwheezy22:07
rowinggolfer;)22:07
popey22:07
rowinggolferno fooling popey :(22:08
rowinggolferpopey, I'm running 12.04 server at work now.22:08
rowinggolferloving it.22:08
rowinggolferacademy@academy:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported22:09
rowinggolferSupported: 5y22:09
rowinggolferSupported: 5y22:09
rowinggolferaha..22:09

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