[00:27] <daftykins> hrmm
[00:27] <daftykins> i'm playing with my domain's DNS configuration with my provider, their web management panel notes i don't have reverse DNS functioning
[00:28] <daftykins> do i solve that by creating a PTR record under that domain, or is there more to it?
[00:28] <daftykins> looks like i need a PTR in a DNS zone of my IP to point to my domain?
[00:43] <daftykins> 10.04 support, does it end this April or April 2015?
[01:00] <solarcloud> daftykins: The desktop side ends in April 2013 the server side ends in April 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Version_timeline
[01:00] <solarcloud> Are you still up, ya daft sod ??
[01:00] <daftykins> lawl
[01:00] <daftykins> yeah i saw conflicting answers, thanks
[01:01] <solarcloud> Nice moon -rise tonite.
[01:01] <solarcloud> Actually I have a small task , perhaps you could help me with .. up for it for 10 minutes ??
[01:01] <daftykins> depends what it is ^_^
[01:02] <solarcloud> Well...
[01:02] <solarcloud> I need a 15" screen laptop to get more python experience and I need to look at one off ebay .. soooo...
[01:03] <solarcloud> I was wondering if you could help me locate a decent laptop that I'd buy for the academic job/task ..
[01:03] <daftykins> did y'try Dell refurbs yet?
[01:03] <solarcloud> ebay.co.uk ofcourse :)
[01:03] <solarcloud> whats their address ?
[01:03] <daftykins> just hunting now
[01:03] <daftykins> http://www.dell.com/uk/dfh/p?s=dfh
[01:04] <solarcloud> I hear the bugle-ers calling .. the hunt is on .. Tally ho !
[01:04] <daftykins> XD
[01:05] <daftykins> http://outlet.euro.dell.com/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=7&c=uk&cs=ukdfh1&l=en&s=dfh
[01:05] <daftykins> that's a more useful page
[01:05] <daftykins> wow at what you can get for 291 quid
[01:06] <daftykins> that's laptops mind
[01:06] <solarcloud> ?
[01:07] <daftykins> ah yeah you did say laptops, my bad
[01:07] <solarcloud> mmm.. £300 .. I was hoping for a more £150 option .. it is just python...
[01:07] <daftykins> how come you don't just play with virtualisation?
[01:08] <daftykins> it goes down to 178
[01:08] <solarcloud> I haven'tgot a 15@ laptop to begin with and that's what I want for the job .. but you think it would be bettr to use my desktop, do you ??
[01:08] <solarcloud> **15"
[01:09] <daftykins> well you could install a virtual machine, a 'pretend' computer atop your real one
[01:09] <solarcloud> Yes, I am well aware of it...
[01:09] <solarcloud> I justneed to se the desk that I've bought to set everything out .. which is well away (4 meters) from my desktop machine ...
[01:10] <solarcloud> **to use ...
[01:11] <solarcloud> ... the sound of bugles is distant now .. I think we are drifting off the scent ..
[01:11] <daftykins> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-RV511-15-6-320-GB-Intel-Core-i3-2-53-GHz-3-GB-Laptop-/330867117632?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item4d09378e40
[01:11] <solarcloud> opening..
[01:11] <daftykins> 190 =/ but buy it now
[01:13] <solarcloud> e does have very bad feedback from the 21st of January this year ... not sure ...
[01:13] <solarcloud> **He does..
[01:13] <daftykins> for a washing machine though :>
[01:16] <solarcloud> .. still it does point to a bad seller .. still not sure .. but tempted :)
[01:16] <solarcloud> It does give a return policy.
[01:16] <solarcloud> seems to be a 2011 model ..
[01:17] <solarcloud> the fact it is turned off is a little worrying ..
[01:18] <solarcloud> Also his postcode is pur fantasy .. so the hunt is still on ..
[01:25] <solarcloud> daftykins: This one is nice ::: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-VAIO-VGN-BX297XP-17-HDD-200GB-RAM-2GB-Laptop-NO-RESERVE-/190791636345?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2c6c115579
[01:26] <solarcloud> ... but would you go with a Sony ?
[01:26] <daftykins> Pentium M isn't amazing, but it'd do
[01:27] <solarcloud> ok, then .. I'll get that one .... thank-you.
[01:27] <solarcloud> 17" screen is ample.. :)
[01:28] <daftykins> ^_^
[01:28] <solarcloud> it will be pricey in a saturday though :D
[01:28] <daftykins> may be worth a quick google of the model with Ubuntu to see if it runs well
[01:28] <daftykins> ATI mobility radeon X700
[01:28] <solarcloud> scanning...
[01:28] <daftykins> ok that might not be amazing
[01:28] <daftykins> for newer ubuntus
[01:28] <daftykins> but, meh
[01:30] <solarcloud> AMD stopped support after Ubuntu 8.04.
[01:31] <solarcloud> guess that's out then.
[01:31] <solarcloud> $ony sucks salty balls, anyway ...
[01:31] <daftykins> whats claiming that?
[01:31] <daftykins> nah they make good kit. just a bit awkward
[01:31] <solarcloud> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542673
[01:31] <solarcloud> at bottom..
[01:33] <solarcloud> Strange why 8.10 does it and 10.04 does not ?
[01:33] <solarcloud> is that common ?
[01:33] <daftykins> solarcloud: it just means for hardware acceleration etc, it might work fine for a standard looking resolution on an older ubuntu
[01:33] <daftykins> and unity2D etc
[01:33] <solarcloud> oh ok
[01:33] <daftykins> but there may well be better results anyway
[01:33] <daftykins> on fleabay
[01:33] <solarcloud> thought it was odd..
[01:34] <solarcloud> I call it feebay, but nevermind :)
[01:35] <daftykins> ^_^
[01:35] <daftykins> i've sold a few things, bought a few things
[01:35] <daftykins> i hear ya
[01:35] <solarcloud> had to return a jacket last week to America .. it's nice but the post office here is a ba$tard.
[01:36] <dogmatic69> 5mb eps requires 2.4GB ram to open...
[01:36] <daftykins> eps?
[01:36] <dogmatic69> vector from adobe I think
[01:36] <solarcloud> one thing dependancies really lack are ombusmen ...
[01:37] <dogmatic69> oh up to 6GB now. 2 more before it runs out...
[01:38] <solarcloud> daftykins: Anyway gotta go ... the hounds have finished ravishing the rabbit for one night. Good luck, dear pal .. :)
[01:38] <daftykins> dogmatic69: encapsulated postscript file? 0o
[01:38] <dogmatic69> ye
[01:38] <daftykins> solarcloud: gl with the purchase/bid o/
[01:38] <solarcloud> o/
[01:46] <dogmatic69> daftykins: opened in gimp with no issues.
[01:47] <dogmatic69> wont open in inkscape
[01:47] <daftykins> beat them up, by email
[07:19] <ali1234> hum... implementing cd is annoying
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> ?
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> you're writing your own shell?
[07:20] <ali1234> yes
[07:20] <ali1234> if arg='..' else if arg[0]='/' else
[07:20] <ali1234> but wait, you can also type ../whatever
[07:20] <ali1234> or ../
[07:20] <ali1234> or ../..
[07:21] <ali1234> basically, parsing a unix path is annoying when you don't have OS functions to do it for you (and tell you if the file exists)
[07:22] <ali1234> maybe i can use those OS functions...
[07:22] <MartijnVdS>  // also works
[07:22] <ali1234> yeah
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> also, paths with symlink elements
[07:22] <ali1234> there's also stuff that makes no sense
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> (not to brung you down or anything ;))
[07:22] <ali1234> like /..
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> bring*
[07:23] <ali1234> symlinks i don't have to worry about because i only have a pseudo filesystem
[07:23] <ali1234> since this program may run on not-unix, i can't use OS functions
[07:24] <ali1234> so i need a general function to canonicalize a unix path
[07:24] <ali1234> then i can test against the directory structure
[07:24] <ali1234> with the cleaned up version
[07:28] <ali1234> well actually i guess i'm using ftp... maybe there's something in urllib
[10:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:12] <BigRedS> morning!
[11:12] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[11:13] <BigRedS> hello! How's things?
[11:13] <brobostigon> BigRedS: not bad overall, and you?
[11:15] <BigRedS> yeah, good. at fisdem being confused by a talkon virt networking :)
[11:15] <brobostigon> :) ah
[11:28] <daubers> Morning
[13:12] <Xetius> #avlib
[13:20] <popey> Afternoon all
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[13:35] <Knightwise> mornin
[13:36] <Knightwise> hows everyone today ?
[13:49] <dwatkins> I've managed to tidy up, take a box to the charity shop and put the washing on, so far a very successful day.
[14:26] <ali1234> i though cd was hard... ls is a nightmare
[14:37] <jpds> ali1234: Now try sl.
[14:38] <ali1234> wat
[14:38] <jpds> ali1234: apt-get install sl && sl
[14:38] <ali1234> i know what it is
[14:39] <ali1234> it just displays an animation... trivial :)
[14:40] <ali1234> problem: given a list of files: 'dir/subdir/filename' implement a shell with cd and ls, globbing, and relative paths, in order to browse the file list
[14:41] <ali1234> it's harder than it looks
[14:45] <ali1234> something especially intricate is how ls lines everything up
[14:45] <ali1234> implementing that is a major pita
[15:33] <SuperEngineer> boo
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> pleased to see "next meeting 09/01/2013 20:00" is still there... so comforting, so stable ;)
[15:35] <SuperEngineer> [must be an "LTS" version of a meeting
[16:04] <DJones> SuperEngineer: Patience is a virtue :)
[16:08] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:15] <opensports> https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2013-01-31-streaming/
[18:05] <penguin42> precise's unity-2d is so much faster in kvm than Quantal's unity; the llvm stuff just isn't quite there yet
[18:23] <penguin42> popey: Those steam numbers are interesting, I find the low % of macos users curious
[18:24] <daftykins> i think that's down to graphics hardware being quite poor in Apple gear
[18:24] <daftykins> and no option to upgrade of course since they've not done a standard desktop form factor in years
[18:25] <penguin42> I think Apple's had high end graphics?
[18:25] <daftykins> nah
[18:27] <penguin42> oh, the world must have changed while I wasn't looking, they used to be known for it for all the video guys that used them
[18:28] <daftykins> i was thinking in 3D game terms
[18:28] <daftykins> maybe the laptops have good mobile gfx chips when they come out, but that doesn't make them great for gamers
[18:29] <penguin42> yeh I guess so, I think they emphasise driving large/lots of displays and good bit depth
[18:29] <popey> and very nice display technology
[18:29] <popey> as in the panels
[18:30] <Nils_> Hello. Can I ask for help here?
[18:30] <popey> sure
[18:30] <popey> penguin42: LLVM is painful
[18:30] <penguin42> popey: Nod
[18:30] <penguin42> popey: Problem is KVM doesn't have any 3d support
[18:30] <popey> yeah
[18:30] <Nils_> Ok.I bought a laptop from ebay with Ubuntu 10.04. Everything works fine but I can't start any apps from the store like steam or other games.
[18:31] <popey> we had a patch for compiz which would improve things in kvm, but it made things worse in virtualbox so we backed it out
[18:31] <Nils_> Any default apps are working fine
[18:31] <penguin42> Nils_: What type of spec laptop ?
[18:31] <directhex> Nils_, steam requires ubuntu 12.04
[18:31] <popey> Nils_: steam wont run on 10.04, full stop
[18:31] <penguin42> Nils_: 10.04 is rather old as well, I'd upgrade to 12.04 if it'll take it
[18:31] <Nils_> Oh sorry misstyped it's 12.04
[18:32] <Nils_> Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz × 2
[18:32] <Nils_> with a radeon hd 3650
[18:32] <popey> have you installed steam?
[18:32] <Nils_> I tried but I get many errors and it won't start
[18:33] <penguin42> unless you tell us the errors we can't guess!
[18:33] <Nils_> Running Steam on ubuntu 12.04 STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically on ubuntu Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(1359765526_client) SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request:  12 xerror_handler: X
[18:33] <penguin42> you can use a pastebin to show us if there are lots
[18:34] <SuperEngineer_> ...would say what is my brain thinks about that but code of conduct forbids"!
[18:34] <popey> Nils_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175744/x-error-of-failed-request-badrequest-invalid-request-code-or-no-such-operation
[18:34] <Nils_> http://pastebin.com/Lh8Tya0B
[18:35] <popey> hmm, maybe ignore that link
[18:35] <popey> i am guessing an ATI driver issue?
[18:35] <penguin42> popey: Well it is the glxquerystring error
[18:36] <penguin42> Nils_: If you go to system settings-details-graphics what does it say for Driver and Experience?
[18:36] <Nils_> I thought about a driver issue, too because commands like glrxinfo don't work
[18:36] <Nils_> Graphics: Unknown
[18:36] <penguin42> ah
[18:36] <penguin42> that'll be the problem then
[18:37] <popey> so maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#126513
[18:37] <penguin42> popey: Not worth trying additional drivers?
[18:37] <popey> pass
[18:38] <popey> that one seems to have a lot of upvotes
[18:38] <popey> indicating success
[18:38] <penguin42> Nils_: I'd try system settings-additional drivers and see what it says, it might give you the option of installing an ATI driver with just a click
[18:39] <Nils_> @penguin I tried and it shows Sorry, installation of this driver failed.  Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log
[18:40] <penguin42> ...and it said?
[18:41] <daftykins> it's glxinfo right, not glrx
[18:42] <Nils_> glxinfo gives me this: name of display: :0.0 X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)   Serial number of failed request:  12   Current serial number in output stream:  12
[18:42] <daftykins> ok :)
[18:43] <penguin42> Nils_: Yeh that's basically the same as stream, i.e. 'huh what no GLX?'
[18:43] <daftykins> Nils_: can you pastebin that jockey.log ?
[18:44] <Nils_> it's a big log and pastebin keeps connecting
[18:45] <penguin42> Nils_: You can use the pastebinit command
[18:45] <Nils_> in here?
[18:45] <Nils_> pastebinit
[18:45] <penguin42> Nils_: No, it's a command
[18:46] <daftykins> no in a terminal
[18:46] <popey> (you need to install pastebinit first - sudo apt-get install pastebinit)
[18:46] <Nils_> it's installed and now?
[18:47] <penguin42> pastebinit /var/log/jockey.log
[18:47] <penguin42> (I think?)
[18:47] <popey> yes
[18:47] <penguin42> popey: I'm curious, what are your repeating 15min nobbles of power at about 1am ?
[18:47] <Nils_> Seems to not do anything
[18:48] <penguin42> Nils_: Should give you a URL you can paste us
[18:48] <Nils_> nope just blank
[18:48] <popey> penguin42: tumble dryer, bed linen wasnt dry
[18:49] <penguin42> popey: Oh so that was a dry, hmph still not dry, try a bit longer?
[18:49] <popey> yes
[18:49] <penguin42> ah
[18:49] <popey> fun to watch
[18:49] <Nils_> http://pastebin.com/Nxgc5P4J
[18:49] <popey> tumble dryer is on right now
[18:49] <Nils_> here it is
[18:50] <Nils_> by the way when I try to follow this tutorial you linked me  http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#126513
[18:51] <Nils_> and I try the first commands to delete previous stuff
[18:51] <popey> AlanBell: http://switchgaming.blogspot.ca/2013/01/game-accessibility-information-symbol.html i know you're not interested in gaming as such, but interesting anyway..
[18:51] <Nils_> it says:
[18:51] <Nils_> sh: 0: Can't open /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[18:52] <daftykins> yeah that's no biggy, just means an ATI driver hasn't been installed already
[18:52] <daftykins> which is kinda obvious since you have no glx :>
[18:52] <Nils_> so keep following the tut?
[18:53] <daftykins> well i'd have thought you were posting the jockey log to see what is going wrong first
[18:53] <daftykins> depends what you want to do
[18:53] <Nils_> http://pastebin.com/Nxgc5P4J
[18:53] <Nils_> here is the log
[18:54] <daftykins> i've no experience with it myself to know what those errors mean 0o
[18:55] <daftykins> well, messages, not errors
[18:55] <daftykins> 2013-02-02 12:40:50,009 DEBUG: XorgDriverHandler(%s, %s).enabled(): No X.org driver set, not checking
[18:55] <daftykins> 2013-02-02 12:40:50,023 DEBUG: fglrx.enabled(fglrx): target_alt /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf current_alt /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf other target alt /usr/lib/fglrx/alt_ld.so.conf other current alt /usr/lib/fglrx/alt_ld.so.conf
[18:55] <daftykins> almost sounds like it's already installed 0o
[18:55] <daftykins> but perhaps not in use?
[18:55] <penguin42> Nils_: Now you've done that what happens if you reboot?
[18:56] <Nils_> you mean restart?
[18:56] <penguin42> yep
[18:56] <Nils_> but I haven't really done anything have I?
[18:56] <penguin42> well did you tell the additional drivers to install stuff?
[18:56] <Nils_> it didn't worked
[18:57] <Nils_> and created the log
[18:57] <penguin42> well the log doesn't have anything particularly bad in it, and it does look like it did an install; so try a reboot
[18:57] <Nils_> ok
[18:59] <Nils__> here I am
[18:59] <Nils__> How should I test it?
[18:59] <penguin42> you just did a full restart - seems rather fast?
[19:00] <Nils__> Well I went to shut down->restart
[19:00] <penguin42> and it went all the way back to the bios and came back up?
[19:00] <Nils__> I'm not totally sure
[19:01] <Nils__> I will try again
[19:01] <Nils__> didn't noticed the bios
[19:01] <penguin42> that looks better....
[19:02] <daftykins> that's the first nick disappearing :)
[19:02] <Nils_> Ok it did.
[19:02] <penguin42> right, any better?
[19:03] <Nils_> still shows the same errors when starting steam
[19:04] <penguin42> ok, and also when running glxgears ?
[19:04] <Nils_> nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ glxgears X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)   Serial number of failed request:  12   Current serial number in output stream:  12
[19:05] <penguin42> oh
[19:05] <penguin42> (how can he have a 245 second ping timeout when we just saw something?)
[19:05] <penguin42> anyway, time for food
[19:05] <Nils_> i don't know
[19:06] <penguin42> Nils_: I'd try Popey's suggestion
[19:06] <Nils_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#126513
[19:06] <Nils_> this one?
[19:06] <penguin42> Nils_: The other thing you might want to check, it's a t500 - does that have both Intel and ATI chips, it might be worth checking the BIOS to force it into ATI ('discrete') mode
[19:07] <penguin42> yeh that one, anyway time for me to eat
[19:10] <Nils_> so I am at the step: Installing the lastest ATI/AMD driver
[19:10] <Nils_> I downloaded it and try to enter the command
[19:11] <Nils_> sudo sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise
[19:11] <penguin42> Nils_: Actually stop
[19:11] <Nils_> but it responds
[19:11] <Nils_> sh: 0: Can't open amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux-x86.x86_64.zip.run
[19:11] <penguin42> ok
[19:11] <penguin42> Nils_: Check the bios is in discrete AMD mode
[19:12] <penguin42> Nils_: The error about 'unknown' you got before kind of makes sense for an ATI driver installed but the hardware running on the intel graphics
[19:12] <penguin42> anyway, really going to get food
[19:12] <Nils_> So I shut down the computer and when it starts again I press which buttons to get into the bios?
[19:13] <Nils_> But yeah eat first I can wait
[19:13] <Nils_> thanks for your help
[19:14] <popey> Nils_: what make/model of laptop is it?
[19:15] <popey> ah, lenovo t500?
[19:15] <Nils_> yes
[19:15] <popey> one of my co-workers has one
[19:15] <Nils_> it's neat and I want to keep it
[19:15] <popey> does it have a blue "thinkvantage" button?
[19:15] <Nils_> but without steam or apps it's terrible
[19:15] <popey> at the top of the keyboard
[19:15] <Nils_> yes
[19:16] <popey> so thats what you press to interrupt boot
[19:16] <Nils_> ah ok
[19:16] <popey> as soon as it comes on, you stab that (It should prompt you to do it actually)
[19:16] <popey> and it shows a menu, F1 i think takes you to setup
[19:16] <popey> but it tells you on screen
[19:16] <Nils_> I will try now
[19:16] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/189540/how-to-re-configure-graphics-from-intel-integrated-to-intel-ati-switchable
[19:17] <popey> thats pretty comprehensive
[19:17] <popey> bookmark that sucker!
[19:25] <Nils__> I feel so lost
[19:25] <Nils__> So many commands just don't work
[19:30] <daftykins> Nils__: like?
[19:30] <Nils__> something with sh
[19:30] <Nils__> idk
[19:30] <Nils__> let me look
[19:31] <Nils__> nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ sh test_off.sh sh: 0: Can't open test_off.sh nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$
[19:32] <Nils__> when I follow this http://askubuntu.com/questions/189540/how-to-re-configure-graphics-from-intel-integrated-to-intel-ati-switchable tutorial
[19:33] <daftykins> step 1 fails?
[19:38] <daftykins> Nils__: ?
[19:38] <daftykins> step 2 running the script?
[19:42]  * penguin42 burps
[19:46] <dogmatic69> seems flash is broken on 12.04 with latest updates. Anyone seen this?
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> Dr, Who time, folks
[19:55] <dwatkins> The Doctor's Wife is a superb episode, too.
[19:55] <dwatkins> I found myself watching Scott & Bailey as a result of it.
[20:23] <zleap> hi tombrough
[21:48]  * rowinggolfer adds "raring" to his pbuilder setup.
[21:54] <popey> ☺
[21:57] <blabyboy> join/ ##php
[22:05] <rowinggolfer> popey, I still wonder how you are going to deprecate 10.04 desktop in April this year, but support the server for a further 2. Are you going to trim the repo of all "non-server" packages?
[22:05] <popey> no
[22:05] <popey> packages are tagged
[22:06] <rowinggolfer> don't understand :(
[22:06] <rowinggolfer> tagged?
[22:06] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show apache2  | grep Supported
[22:06] <popey> Supported: 18m
[22:06] <popey> (I am on raring)
[22:06] <popey> packages on LTS releases have different tags
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> hmmm.
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> here's a question
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> neil@slim-maroon:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> neil@slim-maroon:~$
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> ??
[22:07] <popey> what release you on?
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> wheezy
[22:07] <rowinggolfer> ;)
[22:07] <popey> ☺
[22:08] <rowinggolfer> no fooling popey :(
[22:08] <rowinggolfer> popey, I'm running 12.04 server at work now.
[22:08] <rowinggolfer> loving it.
[22:09] <rowinggolfer> academy@academy:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported
[22:09] <rowinggolfer> Supported: 5y
[22:09] <rowinggolfer> Supported: 5y
[22:09] <rowinggolfer> aha..