[00:27] hrmm [00:27] i'm playing with my domain's DNS configuration with my provider, their web management panel notes i don't have reverse DNS functioning [00:28] do i solve that by creating a PTR record under that domain, or is there more to it? [00:28] looks like i need a PTR in a DNS zone of my IP to point to my domain? [00:43] 10.04 support, does it end this April or April 2015? [01:00] daftykins: The desktop side ends in April 2013 the server side ends in April 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Version_timeline [01:00] Are you still up, ya daft sod ?? [01:00] lawl [01:00] yeah i saw conflicting answers, thanks [01:01] Nice moon -rise tonite. [01:01] Actually I have a small task , perhaps you could help me with .. up for it for 10 minutes ?? [01:01] depends what it is ^_^ [01:02] Well... [01:02] I need a 15" screen laptop to get more python experience and I need to look at one off ebay .. soooo... [01:03] I was wondering if you could help me locate a decent laptop that I'd buy for the academic job/task .. [01:03] did y'try Dell refurbs yet? [01:03] ebay.co.uk ofcourse :) [01:03] whats their address ? [01:03] just hunting now [01:03] http://www.dell.com/uk/dfh/p?s=dfh [01:04] I hear the bugle-ers calling .. the hunt is on .. Tally ho ! [01:04] XD [01:05] http://outlet.euro.dell.com/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=7&c=uk&cs=ukdfh1&l=en&s=dfh [01:05] that's a more useful page [01:05] wow at what you can get for 291 quid [01:06] that's laptops mind [01:06] ? [01:07] ah yeah you did say laptops, my bad [01:07] mmm.. £300 .. I was hoping for a more £150 option .. it is just python... [01:07] how come you don't just play with virtualisation? [01:08] it goes down to 178 [01:08] I haven'tgot a 15@ laptop to begin with and that's what I want for the job .. but you think it would be bettr to use my desktop, do you ?? [01:08] **15" [01:09] well you could install a virtual machine, a 'pretend' computer atop your real one [01:09] Yes, I am well aware of it... [01:09] I justneed to se the desk that I've bought to set everything out .. which is well away (4 meters) from my desktop machine ... [01:10] **to use ... [01:11] ... the sound of bugles is distant now .. I think we are drifting off the scent .. [01:11] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-RV511-15-6-320-GB-Intel-Core-i3-2-53-GHz-3-GB-Laptop-/330867117632?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item4d09378e40 [01:11] opening.. [01:11] 190 =/ but buy it now [01:13] e does have very bad feedback from the 21st of January this year ... not sure ... [01:13] **He does.. [01:13] for a washing machine though :> [01:16] .. still it does point to a bad seller .. still not sure .. but tempted :) [01:16] It does give a return policy. [01:16] seems to be a 2011 model .. [01:17] the fact it is turned off is a little worrying .. [01:18] Also his postcode is pur fantasy .. so the hunt is still on .. [01:25] daftykins: This one is nice ::: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-VAIO-VGN-BX297XP-17-HDD-200GB-RAM-2GB-Laptop-NO-RESERVE-/190791636345?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2c6c115579 [01:26] ... but would you go with a Sony ? [01:26] Pentium M isn't amazing, but it'd do [01:27] ok, then .. I'll get that one .... thank-you. [01:27] 17" screen is ample.. :) [01:28] ^_^ [01:28] it will be pricey in a saturday though :D [01:28] may be worth a quick google of the model with Ubuntu to see if it runs well [01:28] ATI mobility radeon X700 [01:28] scanning... [01:28] ok that might not be amazing [01:28] for newer ubuntus [01:28] but, meh [01:30] AMD stopped support after Ubuntu 8.04. [01:31] guess that's out then. [01:31] $ony sucks salty balls, anyway ... [01:31] whats claiming that? [01:31] nah they make good kit. just a bit awkward [01:31] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542673 [01:31] at bottom.. [01:33] Strange why 8.10 does it and 10.04 does not ? [01:33] is that common ? [01:33] solarcloud: it just means for hardware acceleration etc, it might work fine for a standard looking resolution on an older ubuntu [01:33] and unity2D etc [01:33] oh ok [01:33] but there may well be better results anyway [01:33] on fleabay [01:33] thought it was odd.. [01:34] I call it feebay, but nevermind :) [01:35] ^_^ [01:35] i've sold a few things, bought a few things [01:35] i hear ya [01:35] had to return a jacket last week to America .. it's nice but the post office here is a ba$tard. [01:36] 5mb eps requires 2.4GB ram to open... [01:36] eps? [01:36] vector from adobe I think [01:36] one thing dependancies really lack are ombusmen ... [01:37] oh up to 6GB now. 2 more before it runs out... [01:38] daftykins: Anyway gotta go ... the hounds have finished ravishing the rabbit for one night. Good luck, dear pal .. :) [01:38] dogmatic69: encapsulated postscript file? 0o [01:38] ye [01:38] solarcloud: gl with the purchase/bid o/ [01:38] o/ [01:46] daftykins: opened in gimp with no issues. [01:47] wont open in inkscape [01:47] beat them up, by email === emma_ is now known as em === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:19] hum... implementing cd is annoying [07:19] ? [07:19] you're writing your own shell? [07:20] yes [07:20] if arg='..' else if arg[0]='/' else [07:20] but wait, you can also type ../whatever [07:20] or ../ [07:20] or ../.. [07:21] basically, parsing a unix path is annoying when you don't have OS functions to do it for you (and tell you if the file exists) [07:22] maybe i can use those OS functions... [07:22] // also works [07:22] yeah [07:22] also, paths with symlink elements [07:22] there's also stuff that makes no sense [07:22] (not to brung you down or anything ;)) [07:22] like /.. [07:22] bring* [07:23] symlinks i don't have to worry about because i only have a pseudo filesystem [07:23] since this program may run on not-unix, i can't use OS functions [07:24] so i need a general function to canonicalize a unix path [07:24] then i can test against the directory structure [07:24] with the cleaned up version [07:28] well actually i guess i'm using ftp... maybe there's something in urllib === Guest89129 is now known as jimminy [10:44] aloha [11:10] good morning everyone, [11:12] morning! [11:12] morning BigRedS [11:13] hello! How's things? [11:13] BigRedS: not bad overall, and you? [11:15] yeah, good. at fisdem being confused by a talkon virt networking :) [11:15] :) ah === IdleOne is now known as CancelOne [11:28] Morning === CancelOne is now known as IdleOne === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:12] #avlib [13:20] Afternoon all [13:20] \o popey [13:35] mornin [13:36] hows everyone today ? [13:49] I've managed to tidy up, take a box to the charity shop and put the washing on, so far a very successful day. [14:26] i though cd was hard... ls is a nightmare === solarcloud is now known as opensports [14:37] ali1234: Now try sl. [14:38] wat [14:38] ali1234: apt-get install sl && sl [14:38] i know what it is [14:39] it just displays an animation... trivial :) [14:40] problem: given a list of files: 'dir/subdir/filename' implement a shell with cd and ls, globbing, and relative paths, in order to browse the file list [14:41] it's harder than it looks [14:45] something especially intricate is how ls lines everything up [14:45] implementing that is a major pita [15:33] boo [15:34] pleased to see "next meeting 09/01/2013 20:00" is still there... so comforting, so stable ;) [15:35] [must be an "LTS" version of a meeting [16:04] SuperEngineer: Patience is a virtue :) [16:08] ;) [16:15] https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2013-01-31-streaming/ === GentileBen is now known as RaycisCharles [18:05] precise's unity-2d is so much faster in kvm than Quantal's unity; the llvm stuff just isn't quite there yet [18:23] popey: Those steam numbers are interesting, I find the low % of macos users curious [18:24] i think that's down to graphics hardware being quite poor in Apple gear [18:24] and no option to upgrade of course since they've not done a standard desktop form factor in years [18:25] I think Apple's had high end graphics? [18:25] nah [18:27] oh, the world must have changed while I wasn't looking, they used to be known for it for all the video guys that used them [18:28] i was thinking in 3D game terms [18:28] maybe the laptops have good mobile gfx chips when they come out, but that doesn't make them great for gamers [18:29] yeh I guess so, I think they emphasise driving large/lots of displays and good bit depth [18:29] and very nice display technology [18:29] as in the panels [18:30] Hello. Can I ask for help here? [18:30] sure [18:30] penguin42: LLVM is painful [18:30] popey: Nod [18:30] popey: Problem is KVM doesn't have any 3d support [18:30] yeah [18:30] Ok.I bought a laptop from ebay with Ubuntu 10.04. Everything works fine but I can't start any apps from the store like steam or other games. [18:31] we had a patch for compiz which would improve things in kvm, but it made things worse in virtualbox so we backed it out [18:31] Any default apps are working fine [18:31] Nils_: What type of spec laptop ? [18:31] Nils_, steam requires ubuntu 12.04 [18:31] Nils_: steam wont run on 10.04, full stop [18:31] Nils_: 10.04 is rather old as well, I'd upgrade to 12.04 if it'll take it [18:31] Oh sorry misstyped it's 12.04 [18:32] Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz × 2 [18:32] with a radeon hd 3650 [18:32] have you installed steam? [18:32] I tried but I get many errors and it won't start [18:33] unless you tell us the errors we can't guess! [18:33] Running Steam on ubuntu 12.04 STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically on ubuntu Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(1359765526_client) SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request: 12 xerror_handler: X [18:33] you can use a pastebin to show us if there are lots [18:34] ...would say what is my brain thinks about that but code of conduct forbids"! [18:34] Nils_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175744/x-error-of-failed-request-badrequest-invalid-request-code-or-no-such-operation [18:34] http://pastebin.com/Lh8Tya0B [18:35] hmm, maybe ignore that link [18:35] i am guessing an ATI driver issue? [18:35] popey: Well it is the glxquerystring error === SuperEngineer_ is now known as SuperEngineer [18:36] Nils_: If you go to system settings-details-graphics what does it say for Driver and Experience? [18:36] I thought about a driver issue, too because commands like glrxinfo don't work [18:36] Graphics: Unknown [18:36] ah [18:36] that'll be the problem then [18:37] so maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#126513 [18:37] popey: Not worth trying additional drivers? [18:37] pass [18:38] that one seems to have a lot of upvotes [18:38] indicating success [18:38] Nils_: I'd try system settings-additional drivers and see what it says, it might give you the option of installing an ATI driver with just a click [18:39] @penguin I tried and it shows Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log [18:40] ...and it said? [18:41] it's glxinfo right, not glrx [18:42] glxinfo gives me this: name of display: :0.0 X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request: 12 Current serial number in output stream: 12 [18:42] ok :) [18:43] Nils_: Yeh that's basically the same as stream, i.e. 'huh what no GLX?' [18:43] Nils_: can you pastebin that jockey.log ? [18:44] it's a big log and pastebin keeps connecting [18:45] Nils_: You can use the pastebinit command [18:45] in here? [18:45] pastebinit [18:45] Nils_: No, it's a command [18:46] no in a terminal [18:46] (you need to install pastebinit first - sudo apt-get install pastebinit) [18:46] it's installed and now? [18:47] pastebinit /var/log/jockey.log [18:47] (I think?) [18:47] yes [18:47] popey: I'm curious, what are your repeating 15min nobbles of power at about 1am ? [18:47] Seems to not do anything [18:48] Nils_: Should give you a URL you can paste us [18:48] nope just blank [18:48] penguin42: tumble dryer, bed linen wasnt dry [18:49] popey: Oh so that was a dry, hmph still not dry, try a bit longer? [18:49] yes [18:49] ah [18:49] fun to watch [18:49] http://pastebin.com/Nxgc5P4J [18:49] tumble dryer is on right now [18:49] here it is [18:50] by the way when I try to follow this tutorial you linked me http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#126513 [18:51] and I try the first commands to delete previous stuff [18:51] AlanBell: http://switchgaming.blogspot.ca/2013/01/game-accessibility-information-symbol.html i know you're not interested in gaming as such, but interesting anyway.. [18:51] it says: [18:51] sh: 0: Can't open /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh [18:52] yeah that's no biggy, just means an ATI driver hasn't been installed already [18:52] which is kinda obvious since you have no glx :> [18:52] so keep following the tut? [18:53] well i'd have thought you were posting the jockey log to see what is going wrong first [18:53] depends what you want to do [18:53] http://pastebin.com/Nxgc5P4J [18:53] here is the log [18:54] i've no experience with it myself to know what those errors mean 0o [18:55] well, messages, not errors [18:55] 2013-02-02 12:40:50,009 DEBUG: XorgDriverHandler(%s, %s).enabled(): No X.org driver set, not checking [18:55] 2013-02-02 12:40:50,023 DEBUG: fglrx.enabled(fglrx): target_alt /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf current_alt /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf other target alt /usr/lib/fglrx/alt_ld.so.conf other current alt /usr/lib/fglrx/alt_ld.so.conf [18:55] almost sounds like it's already installed 0o [18:55] but perhaps not in use? [18:55] Nils_: Now you've done that what happens if you reboot? [18:56] you mean restart? [18:56] yep [18:56] but I haven't really done anything have I? [18:56] well did you tell the additional drivers to install stuff? [18:56] it didn't worked [18:57] and created the log [18:57] well the log doesn't have anything particularly bad in it, and it does look like it did an install; so try a reboot [18:57] ok [18:59] here I am [18:59] How should I test it? [18:59] you just did a full restart - seems rather fast? [19:00] Well I went to shut down->restart [19:00] and it went all the way back to the bios and came back up? [19:00] I'm not totally sure [19:01] I will try again [19:01] didn't noticed the bios [19:01] that looks better.... [19:02] that's the first nick disappearing :) [19:02] Ok it did. [19:02] right, any better? [19:03] still shows the same errors when starting steam [19:04] ok, and also when running glxgears ? [19:04] nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ glxgears X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request: 12 Current serial number in output stream: 12 [19:05] oh [19:05] (how can he have a 245 second ping timeout when we just saw something?) [19:05] anyway, time for food [19:05] i don't know [19:06] Nils_: I'd try Popey's suggestion [19:06] http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/126513#126513 [19:06] this one? [19:06] Nils_: The other thing you might want to check, it's a t500 - does that have both Intel and ATI chips, it might be worth checking the BIOS to force it into ATI ('discrete') mode [19:07] yeh that one, anyway time for me to eat [19:10] so I am at the step: Installing the lastest ATI/AMD driver [19:10] I downloaded it and try to enter the command [19:11] sudo sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise [19:11] Nils_: Actually stop [19:11] but it responds [19:11] sh: 0: Can't open amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux-x86.x86_64.zip.run [19:11] ok [19:11] Nils_: Check the bios is in discrete AMD mode [19:12] Nils_: The error about 'unknown' you got before kind of makes sense for an ATI driver installed but the hardware running on the intel graphics [19:12] anyway, really going to get food [19:12] So I shut down the computer and when it starts again I press which buttons to get into the bios? [19:13] But yeah eat first I can wait [19:13] thanks for your help [19:14] Nils_: what make/model of laptop is it? [19:15] ah, lenovo t500? [19:15] yes [19:15] one of my co-workers has one [19:15] it's neat and I want to keep it [19:15] does it have a blue "thinkvantage" button? [19:15] but without steam or apps it's terrible [19:15] at the top of the keyboard [19:15] yes [19:16] so thats what you press to interrupt boot [19:16] ah ok [19:16] as soon as it comes on, you stab that (It should prompt you to do it actually) [19:16] and it shows a menu, F1 i think takes you to setup [19:16] but it tells you on screen [19:16] I will try now [19:16] http://askubuntu.com/questions/189540/how-to-re-configure-graphics-from-intel-integrated-to-intel-ati-switchable [19:17] thats pretty comprehensive [19:17] bookmark that sucker! [19:25] I feel so lost [19:25] So many commands just don't work [19:30] Nils__: like? [19:30] something with sh [19:30] idk [19:30] let me look [19:31] nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ sh test_off.sh sh: 0: Can't open test_off.sh nils@nils-ThinkPad-T500:~$ [19:32] when I follow this http://askubuntu.com/questions/189540/how-to-re-configure-graphics-from-intel-integrated-to-intel-ati-switchable tutorial [19:33] step 1 fails? [19:38] Nils__: ? [19:38] step 2 running the script? [19:42] * penguin42 burps [19:46] seems flash is broken on 12.04 with latest updates. Anyone seen this? [19:48] Dr, Who time, folks [19:55] The Doctor's Wife is a superb episode, too. [19:55] I found myself watching Scott & Bailey as a result of it. [20:23] hi tombrough [21:48] * rowinggolfer adds "raring" to his pbuilder setup. [21:54] ☺ [21:57] join/ ##php [22:05] popey, I still wonder how you are going to deprecate 10.04 desktop in April this year, but support the server for a further 2. Are you going to trim the repo of all "non-server" packages? [22:05] no [22:05] packages are tagged [22:06] don't understand :( [22:06] tagged? [22:06] alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported [22:06] Supported: 18m [22:06] (I am on raring) [22:06] packages on LTS releases have different tags [22:07] hmmm. [22:07] here's a question [22:07] neil@slim-maroon:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported [22:07] neil@slim-maroon:~$ [22:07] ?? [22:07] what release you on? [22:07] wheezy [22:07] ;) [22:07] ☺ [22:08] no fooling popey :( [22:08] popey, I'm running 12.04 server at work now. [22:08] loving it. [22:09] academy@academy:~$ apt-cache show apache2 | grep Supported [22:09] Supported: 5y [22:09] Supported: 5y [22:09] aha..