[00:01] <canthus13> I'm looking at this one, though: http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15z-5523/pd?oc=fncwg21h&model_id=inspiron-15z-5523&ref=2065int_anav#!stoneId=configTab
[00:01] <canthus13> It doesn't appear to have that optimus crap.
[00:17] <jrgifford> on the other hand canthus13
[00:17] <jrgifford> fedora seems to work nice, even with the ati card.
[01:38] <canthus13> jrgifford: I'm really not a fan of fedora. :/
[01:38] <Cheri703> I have an ati card in my desktop and it's happy with xubuntu :)
[01:40] <canthus13> Cheri703: My specific issue is with laptops with dual video cards.. intel + (ATi/AMD | nVidia)
[01:41] <canthus13> The whole switched video cards thing seems to screw with Linux.
[01:41] <Cheri703> gotcha. paultag indicated to me that ati+intel > nVidia
[01:41] <canthus13> Not from what I've been reading.
[01:41] <paultag> no way
[01:41] <canthus13> and for gaming, I'll stick with nVidia.
[01:41] <paultag> intel > nvidia > ati
[01:41] <paultag> intel is great
[01:42] <Cheri703> paultag: you told me not to get the lenovo w/nvidia?
[01:42] <paultag> Oh you mean the bumblebee
[01:42] <canthus13> paultag: Intel sucks for gaming applications or password cracking.
[01:42] <paultag> yeah
[01:42] <Cheri703> I dunno
[01:42] <paultag> canthus13: who cares :)
[01:42] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah, I hate the optimus or whatever
[01:42] <canthus13> paultag: Me.
[01:42] <paultag> that one is an abortion with Linux
[01:42] <paultag> canthus13: OK :)
[01:43]  * paultag would just rent an EC2 node with a tesla grid hookup
[01:43] <canthus13> Fortunately, the laptop I linked seems to not include optimus, so I'm happy. I wonder if the touch screen will work.
[01:44]  * canthus13 asked a Dell rep, who checked with a supervisor to be sure.
[01:44] <canthus13> It was either that or the System76 machine for ~700 bucks more. :/
[01:45] <canthus13> ...and a 17" laptop is a bit too big for my tastes.
[01:47]  * canthus13 is also building a couple of machines for his boys next week.  AMD FX-6100 CPUs, 8GB ram, Geforce GT-640.
[01:47] <canthus13> ...shit. I forgot to order drives.
[01:54] <jrgifford> canthus13: where in OH are you again? We might have some drives at work we could let go for a reasonable price, if you're nearby.
[01:54] <canthus13> Toledo.
[01:54] <jrgifford> forget it then.
[01:54] <canthus13> Heh.
[01:54] <jrgifford> thats like, half way across the state.
[01:55] <jrgifford> not worth driving to pick up gently used 150-350GB HDDs.
[01:56] <Cheri703> priority mail flat rate box $4.95
[01:56] <jrgifford> and used hard drives are a bit of a raw deal anyway
[01:56] <jrgifford> was just thinking out loud.
[01:57]  * canthus13 nods.
[01:57]  * canthus13 ordered a couple of 500GB drives. 54 bucks each.
[01:58] <canthus13> (WD because they have a pretty decent warranty and cross-ship, unlike newegg.)
[01:58] <jrgifford> that'll work
[01:59] <jrgifford> blue or black?
[02:00] <canthus13> Green.
[02:01]  * jrgifford nods
[02:01] <canthus13> There's no longer an issue with linux and the green drives iirc.
[02:01] <jrgifford> i will claim ignorance and say i didn't know there was one to begin with.
[02:02] <canthus13> There was when they first came out... I don't recall exactly, but I think they were dying prematurely under linux.
[02:03] <skellat> jrgifford: Could you do a presentation on using git with Launchpad perhaps for the next educational session?
[02:03] <jrgifford> skellat: gah, did they ever land that?
[02:03] <jrgifford> i remember hearing rumours about that, and how painful it was.
[02:04] <jrgifford> skellat:  i could look into it
[02:04] <jrgifford> no promises though
[02:05] <skellat> jrgifford: I know there is a git connector in bzr, I just don't know if there is a bzr connector in git
[02:05] <skellat> That would be the only way to do it, to the best of my knowledge
[02:09] <skellat> Crap, there is no connector listed in teh repo...I'll need to think about this some more
[02:09] <jrgifford> you can do automated git imports of it.
[02:09] <jrgifford> (to LP)
[02:10] <Unit193> Or you could just use bitbucket and be done with it. :P
[02:10] <Unit193> That way you aren't stuck with bzr either.
[02:11] <jrgifford> what, mercurial?
[02:11] <Unit193> git.
[02:11] <jrgifford> at least it's got a decent branching model.
[02:12] <jrgifford> oh, right.
[02:12] <jrgifford> bitbucket is where i stick code i want to quietly put out of the way.
[02:12] <jrgifford> github is where i'm like "OMG LETS JUST OPEN SOURCE EVERYTHING"
[02:12] <skellat> Unit193: Launchpad is part of our infrastructure, though, as it fuels the PPA system.  That's why I'd want to see it brought up in an educational session.
[02:12] <Unit193> Bitbucket lets you pick hg or git, and you can have private repos too. :D
[02:13] <Unit193> skellat: Yeah, they do PPAs, which can be useful indeed.  I just don't really like bzr.
[02:13] <jrgifford> bzr has its place.
[02:13] <jrgifford> for projects that deal with LP.
[02:13] <jrgifford> everything, why?
[02:14] <jrgifford> juju is moving from bzr to git, because that's where the upstreams are.
[02:14] <skellat> Launchpad at least is part of the Ubuntu galaxy of infrastructure thingies that provides for PPAs and bug reporting
[02:15] <jrgifford> an OS should be decoupled from the tools used to develop it
[02:15] <jrgifford> just like i'm not tied to using vim because i do rails, or emacs because i do django, or an ide because i do android.
[02:16] <jrgifford> being tied to a tool that just reinvents the wheel, and doesn't do it particularly well, and isn't used outside of a very, very small section of the open source galaxy is just gross to me.
[02:16] <jrgifford> (and nobody interpret that as i'm being unthankful for the LP and BZR teams - they do awesome stuff, and both have earned my respect)
[02:17] <skellat> jrgifford: Well, could you then talk about how to break away from LP dependence and how members of the LoCo can most easily roll their own compilations of software perhaps?
[02:17] <Unit193> Except, they use python.
[02:17] <jrgifford> skellat: ./configure; make; make install
[02:18] <skellat> jrgifford: That's the easy answer.  Things like armhf show that it is rarely that simple in practice.  Of course, using something like checkinstall could at least help by giving you something that is removable via APT.
[02:19] <jrgifford> skellat: so would a session on "hosting code on github and using LP recipes for PPAs" work?
[02:19] <paultag> skellat: what about armhf?
[02:19] <jrgifford> s/github/whatever-git-server-you-want-to-host-things-on
[02:19] <paultag> c-m-m-install should work with armhf if you're on armhf, so it knows to use the v8 march or hf abi
[02:19] <paultag> if not, you can tweak gcc's default flags
[02:19] <skellat> paultag: My dreaded issues with FTBFS because I forgot to look deeply at what configure flags need to be set
[02:21] <skellat> paultag: Then sometimes I deal with monstrosities like this that are nasty enough to get running on i386: http://www.greenstone.org/
[02:21] <skellat> jrgifford: Github and LP recipes does sound interesting
[02:22] <skellat> You would need to declare prerequisites, though
[02:22] <skellat> As I would assume there would be some prerequisite knowledge needed to best grasp the information presented
[02:22] <jrgifford> a web browser
[02:22] <jrgifford> basic idea of what a shell script looks like
[02:24] <skellat> Okay
[02:24] <skellat> That sounds cool
[02:24] <Unit193> Recipe version .4 gave build errors due to buildd problems, had to revert to .3
[02:25] <skellat> jrgifford: How long would you need to prep?
[02:25] <jrgifford> skellat: uh, not so much how much time, it's when would i be able to present
[02:26] <skellat> Well, setting up a poll on Doodle and putting it out on the listserv would be the way to pick the date
[02:26] <skellat> As well as the time
[02:26] <jrgifford> i'm not my own master when it comes to scheduling yet.
[02:26] <jrgifford> both a blessing and a curse.... :\
[02:27] <skellat> It is okay
[02:27] <skellat> We've got 27 days left to the month too
[02:28] <skellat> It isn't like this is a crash priority thing that must be ready for the Monday that immediately follows the Super Bowl...which would be bonkers any way...
[02:28] <jrgifford> sounds fun
[02:29] <skellat> The best thing to do is build a slide deck, outline what you want to say, and then figure out a way to give 48-72 hours notice of showtime
[02:29] <jrgifford> mkay
[02:30] <jrgifford> i'll look into writing a slidedeck sometime this weekend/week
[02:30] <skellat> No worries
[02:30] <skellat> Cheri703 can probably give further suggestions on timing and the like
[02:30] <Cheri703> hrm?
[02:31] <skellat> Hello Cheri
[02:32] <skellat> jrgifford expressed interest in taking the chair for our next educational session and we've been discussing possible session topics while I mentioned you might able to help with figuring out timing for delivery and the like
[02:34] <Cheri703> ah, yeah. and we don't have to do one EVERY MONTH, like...it can be once every two months, or once per quarter or something
[02:35] <skellat> I know.
[02:36] <skellat> Whatever we can do for activity
[02:37] <skellat> Oh, and here is what our team report looks like for January: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/TeamReports/13/January
[02:50] <skellat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/January2013
[02:51]  * skellat wanders off
[04:06] <Unit193> vmware-view-client is now in partner, for those that use it.
[10:40] <shieh> my synaptic package manager language changed to chinese.how can i fix it?
[13:47] <jrgifford> Unit193: yeah, i saw that. interesting.