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opensportsHello peeps, daftykins : you about ??00:43
daftykinso/00:43
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solarcloudLooks like it's left up to us two to Rule the channel, again :D00:44
solarcloud..I looked into getting a 17" laptop today..00:44
solarcloudbest price was about £100 for a Core 2 Duo....00:45
daftykins:O00:45
daftykinsnot bad00:45
penguin42solarcloud: That's one hell of a lap00:45
solarcloudNot really, you always have 50% chance of sending it back to the seller..00:46
solarcloudI'm after this one now .. as the other one had key Prob.s  :: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fujitsu-Siemens-Amilo-Li2727-Laptop-17-inch-screen-/170983377593?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D5314456501033362947%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D290851828349%2600:47
solarcloudsoz for the long address.00:47
solarcloudhe says he'll accept a buy it now offer .. what do you reckon ? ... £75 quid ???00:50
penguin42http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/fujitsu-siemens-amilo-li-2727-review-49298555/specs/00:51
penguin42was 275 when new about 4.5 years ago00:51
solarcloudopening..00:51
daftykinsthose are amazingly bad pics00:52
penguin42solarcloud: Pretty poor spec00:53
solarcloudagreed.. I'll pass on this as I thought it was Core 2 Duo... thanx guys.00:54
solarcloudHey guys ..  So basically I've got 90 laptop to choose from (as long as they don't go above £120 end-bid, that is) from this lot :: http://goo.gl/R0g2P .. It's only for learning more python, so feel free to give it a scan to see if you see any beauties or not. thanx in advance :)01:01
penguin42any reason you want a laptop, and what are your specs you want?01:09
* penguin42 notices the Tesco Outlet; no horse burgers01:10
solarcloudhi penguin42, the specs are : 17" screen or more , £120 or less, Core Duo or better, must have a clear return for full refund policy. that's basically it, but the £120 or less is the killer.01:14
solarcloudI hope to sell it on after I put Ubuntu 13.04 on there..01:15
solarcloudbut that's months away..01:15
penguin42ouch that's a pretty low limit01:15
solarcloudplenty available though..01:15
solarcloudit is just for learning a bit more python.. :)01:16
solarcloudDid you click the link above ...01:16
penguin42yeh but some of them are spares/repairs - i.e. junk01:16
solarcloudWell, that's half the fun, sorting the weak from the chaff... :)01:17
solarcloudI have to say I absolutely hate Acer Aspires .. there are alwats loads of them on ebay due to problems ..01:18
solarcloud**always..01:18
solarcloudOops .. spotted a con job http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=16096834339001:20
solarcloudbettr watch out for them..01:20
penguin42ah, I was going to suggest the Tesco acer01:20
penguin42a few Tosh on there01:21
solarcloudI'll have a look...01:21
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penguin42solarcloud: Also are you sure you need that size screen?01:24
solarcloudthe HP's look nice .. ending in 18 hours time, I'll have to hang-on and do a last 6 second bid thingy.01:24
penguin42solarcloud: e.g. if you need the size perhaps plugin to a tv?01:24
solarcloudI think I need that screen size , why do you ask ?01:25
penguin42I guess it restricts your options a lot01:25
solarcloudoh ok .. one problem .. I chucked out the TV last year ! ..01:25
penguin42oh erm yeh that would be a problem01:25
solarcloudnot really, 'e never looked back :D01:26
solarcloud**I've01:26
* solarcloud puts his hands in the air as an Expression of Freedom From Tele !!01:27
daftykinsalso a CRT would drop your res, not increase it ;)01:28
solarcloud\o/01:28
penguin42hmm, don't quite think you can buy a monitor and full machine new for #120 - bet you can do it for #200 including the monitor01:33
solarcloudyeah, I want a laptop cos it's for the small space consideration... I think I'll try this one ... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Pavillion-dv9000-17-Entertainment-laptop-2-0GHz-2GB-RAM-Win-Vista-HP-/261161683012?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item3cce73084401:34
solarcloudbut if all else fails I could try my old desktop in the other room and run Lubuntu on it, I guess.01:35
penguin42what spec is it?01:36
solarcloudThe spare monitor I have got is DisplayPort and the desktop is old-type monitor cable (not HD or anything) ... so can I use an adapter or what, peeps ??01:36
solarcloudterrible spec. it's a 2004 machine ..01:37
daftykinsdisplayport only? are you sure?01:37
daftykinsthat's rare as rocking horse...01:37
solarcloudthe monitor is yes.01:37
solarcloudI'm using three of them now..01:38
daftykinsi hardly believe it D:01:38
penguin42what model?01:38
solarcloudWanna do a hangout and find out ?01:38
penguin42nah01:39
solarcloudpity the coward, I do.01:39
daftykins'hangout' ?01:40
solarcloudAnyway, enough of that . I'm done for saturday .. oh wait.. yeah hangout .. I do it everyday on google plus .. it's a video conference.01:41
solarcloudbut I'm sure your not interested, so bye.01:41
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daftykins0o01:42
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solarcloudNote to self : Ask Ubuntu TV people what nettop to get to try out the TV software O/S and file countless bugs :)01:50
solarcloudby for now :)01:50
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Nils_Hey guys05:16
Nils_I found a solution05:16
Nils_I deleted all my drivers and now it works05:16
Nils_Should I keep it this way. Which driver do I use now the open source one?05:17
MartijnVdSwoo Half Life (1) works on Intel graphics :)07:17
* MartijnVdS now has a proper game to play in Steam on Ubuntu :)07:17
kala087hi is there anybody who could help me with linux ubunt?? i am not familiar with system and tried to update but come error and they ask e for grub rescue ??10:26
czajkowskikala087: just ask and folks may be able to help10:26
czajkowskiit's kinda quiet here on a sunday10:26
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: ooh, excellent *downloads*10:31
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:40
kala087hi has anyone have spare minute?? i have update my com yesterday and come up error and grub resue.?? i am not familair with system at all. any advuce ?? please10:47
MartijnVdSyes.. ask a question and leave10:53
brobostigonquite,10:54
kvarleyIs there an ubuntu equivalent for this?11:11
kvarleyhttp://susestudio.com11:11
MartijnVdSkvarley: http://ubuntustudio.org/ ?11:17
MartijnVdSkvarley: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U ?11:17
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Lol11:18
kvarleyMartijnVdS: I meant is there a GUI based app which will let you make your own ubuntu distro11:18
bigcalm_laptopHazzar11:22
ali1234kvarley: you can probably use susestudio with enough hacking around. OBS supports ubuntu11:23
kvarleyali1234: OBS?11:23
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dwatkinsMartijnVdS: Half-Life runs flawlessly for me, which is interesting, as it required me to install nvidia-common, yet I have an AMD card.11:57
ali1234nvidia-common is pulled in by some opengl/opencl stuff11:59
ali1234it's just silly dependencies, there's a bug about it somewhere11:59
dwatkinsah ok, I'm just concerned as I had to uninstall all the NVidia packages yesterday to allow Unity to work properly, ali1234.12:02
ali1234that's kind of weird12:02
dwatkinshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741783 seems to address this.12:04
* penguin42 wonders why translate.google.com managed to detect the polish source text, but offered me translations to Norwegianm English and Spanish (and picked Norwegian by default)12:31
ali1234it does that to me all the time12:32
ali1234then when you change the destination language it also changes the source language to something wrong12:32
* penguin42 also wishes they'd integrate into G+ so that you can easily translate a single post12:33
ali1234would be nice12:33
ali1234integrate all the thing!12:34
penguin42yep12:34
SuperEngineerhi folkies12:39
SuperEngineeranyone tried this? http://tomorrowcorporation.com/littleinferno12:40
SuperEngineer[from same stable as World of Goo]12:40
dwatkinsNo, but a friend gives it high praise, SuperEngineer - saw a review on youtube, it looks pretty amusing12:44
penguin42haha that does look good; we've got a particle simulation engine and by heck we're going to use it :-)12:45
SuperEngineerdwatkins: cheers - got a friend who took my advice re World og Goo - now hooked & wants this as well!12:45
penguin42oh that's a fun one; http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/02/02/225201/typing-these-8-characters-will-crash-almost-any-app-on-your-mountain-lion-mac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed13:28
MartijnVdSoops13:32
SuperEngineerhmmm - my installed 12.04 is 12.04.2 - yet download from Ubuntu still points to 12.04.1 - double hmmm14:38
jacobwSuperEngineer: if you experienced the confused over 12.04 and 12.04.1 previously, this wouldn't be a suprise to you :p14:58
SuperEngineerjacobw: lol14:58
jacobwit takes quite a few clicks from the index of ubuntu.com to find the download page now15:34
SuperEngineernot to mention being made to feel like a cheapskate just to get a look at what the download image version is before offering £££15:39
SuperEngineerI would even go so far as saying it's a tad insulting15:42
jacobwi think it reminds people that producing free software is not without cost15:43
BigRedSIt does rather remind me of all those "Would you like the Google toolbar for IE?" things in Windows freeware installers15:43
SuperEngineerjacobw: agreed - but... don't profer an insult if I want to see what version you offer *before* I cough up15:45
SuperEngineer...and I would like that to be taken as a constructive critism - not a complaint15:47
SuperEngineer[darn - really wish my fingers remembered to follow my brain when spelling!]16:06
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Laneyoh god17:18
Laneyi just realised that the cake tin i'm baking in isn't deep enough and my cake is definitely going to rise over the sides17:18
* Laney thinks about constructing artificial sides out of foil17:19
ahayzenLaney, tht sounds potentially messy ;) wht cake is it?17:20
Laneychocolate beetroot17:20
ahayzennice17:20
Laneyevery time i look it's closer17:21
Laneyand i dont have enough foil arghghgosudhgosdhg17:21
ahayzencould put it on baking sheet just in case ;)17:21
ahayzenso it doesn't wreck the oven17:21
Laneydid17:21
penguin42yeesh beetroot17:21
Laneybut i want to save the cake too if possible17:21
ahayzencould put another tin of similar size upside down on top lol...gonna have to think of something out of the box (or cake tin hehe)17:23
Laneyyeah i put the outside of another tin over it17:25
Laneywho knows what will happen17:25
ahayzenonly one way to find out ;)17:26
brobostigonquestion, would it be possible, to use something like a ssh tunnel, between my rpi and my vps? and have traffic able to flow both ways?18:08
zleapbrobostigon, i can't see why not ,  a pi is just another linux box18:12
brobostigonzleap: i just havent found a simple enough solution yet, i have read about vpn's and ssh tunnels and other solutions also.18:12
zleapok18:14
zleapcan you do it between 2 normal linux boxes18:14
brobostigonssh, yes,18:14
zleapok18:15
zleapso what is the VPN virtual private network,  so basically you want a secure link between 2 or more computers18:16
brobostigonyes.18:16
brobostigonsame as an ssh tunnel.18:16
zleapok18:17
brobostigonmore or less,18:17
jacobwbrobostigon: run openvpn on your vps and use a tap device18:18
zleapi am not an expert at this,  but i am guessing it should be possible as te PI is just running Linux,  maybe ask on #raspberrypi o18:18
zleaptap device18:18
zleap?18:18
brobostigonjacobw: that is what i have been looking at,18:18
popeyyou could use openvpn18:19
jacobwyeah, if you use openvpn with a tap device you'll get an interface with a routeable address on pi and on the vps18:20
brobostigonah. i see, that could be useful.18:21
jacobwsorry, tun, not tap18:22
jacobwtap is l2, tun is l318:22
zleap?18:24
jacobwhttps://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/BridgingAndRouting18:24
* zleap is baffled18:24
zleapah vpn stuff, i thought for a min you were talking about people18:25
brobostigonjacobw: yes, thats what i am reading,18:25
jacobwzleap: tap and tun devices are virtual network devices in the kernel, openvpn can give you an ethernet→ethernet adapter to send frames through which is a tap device or a network→network adapter which is a tun device to send packets through18:27
zleapok18:29
jacobwi dunno how i could have been talking about people o_O18:30
zleapits fine,  didn't know what tap and tun was18:30
brobostigonjacobw: ok, question, is it possible to do the authentication without certificates?18:31
jacobwbrobostigon: you can use a preshared key or usernames and passwords18:38
brobostigonjacobw: ah, i think i just found a page on the openvpn site about it.18:38
jacobwremember you don't have to use passphrases on keys, you can leave them unwrapped and readable only by the system user to be used by services18:40
brobostigoninteresting,18:41
popeyAlanBell: are your ears burning?18:47
popeyhttp://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/1030/jblive/18:47
popeyyour blog post being talked about18:47
popey#jupiterbroadcasting on irc.geekshed.net18:48
AlanBellhi popey20:35
popeyhello20:35
AlanBellwhat is jupiter broadcasting?20:36
popeyAlanBell: podcast20:57
popeyLinux Action Show20:57
AlanBellah, that has a reddit thing, I got some hits from that to the blog article20:58
bigcalmHola21:10
popeymoo21:11
bigcalmHow do?21:11
popeymeh21:12
bigcalmThat good eh? :)21:12
bigcalmHaving had the week off, I should be feeling quite relaxed21:13
bigcalmInstead I'm just thinking about tomorrow morning21:13
bigcalmHeadphones in, code up. Hayley is catching up on Dancing on Ice21:20
popeyhello JohnRobert21:51
JohnRoberthello22:23
popeyBigRedS_: back home?22:25
BigRedS_popey, yeah23:24
BigRedS_well, back in London, my soon-to-be home again :)23:25
directhexADORABLE KITTEN ALERT! Rub ivanova's tummy, she grabs at your hand & starts to lick23:48
daftykins;)23:49

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