[00:43] <opensports> Hello peeps, daftykins : you about ??
[00:43] <daftykins> o/
[00:44] <solarcloud> Looks like it's left up to us two to Rule the channel, again :D
[00:44] <solarcloud> ..I looked into getting a 17" laptop today..
[00:45] <solarcloud> best price was about £100 for a Core 2 Duo....
[00:45] <daftykins> :O
[00:45] <daftykins> not bad
[00:45] <penguin42> solarcloud: That's one hell of a lap
[00:46] <solarcloud> Not really, you always have 50% chance of sending it back to the seller..
[00:47] <solarcloud> I'm after this one now .. as the other one had key Prob.s  :: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fujitsu-Siemens-Amilo-Li2727-Laptop-17-inch-screen-/170983377593?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D5314456501033362947%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D290851828349%26
[00:47] <solarcloud> soz for the long address.
[00:50] <solarcloud> he says he'll accept a buy it now offer .. what do you reckon ? ... £75 quid ???
[00:51] <penguin42> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/fujitsu-siemens-amilo-li-2727-review-49298555/specs/
[00:51] <penguin42> was 275 when new about 4.5 years ago
[00:51] <solarcloud> opening..
[00:52] <daftykins> those are amazingly bad pics
[00:53] <penguin42> solarcloud: Pretty poor spec
[00:54] <solarcloud> agreed.. I'll pass on this as I thought it was Core 2 Duo... thanx guys.
[01:01] <solarcloud> Hey guys ..  So basically I've got 90 laptop to choose from (as long as they don't go above £120 end-bid, that is) from this lot :: http://goo.gl/R0g2P .. It's only for learning more python, so feel free to give it a scan to see if you see any beauties or not. thanx in advance :)
[01:09] <penguin42> any reason you want a laptop, and what are your specs you want?
[01:10]  * penguin42 notices the Tesco Outlet; no horse burgers
[01:14] <solarcloud> hi penguin42, the specs are : 17" screen or more , £120 or less, Core Duo or better, must have a clear return for full refund policy. that's basically it, but the £120 or less is the killer.
[01:15] <solarcloud> I hope to sell it on after I put Ubuntu 13.04 on there..
[01:15] <solarcloud> but that's months away..
[01:15] <penguin42> ouch that's a pretty low limit
[01:15] <solarcloud> plenty available though..
[01:16] <solarcloud> it is just for learning a bit more python.. :)
[01:16] <solarcloud> Did you click the link above ...
[01:16] <penguin42> yeh but some of them are spares/repairs - i.e. junk
[01:17] <solarcloud> Well, that's half the fun, sorting the weak from the chaff... :)
[01:18] <solarcloud> I have to say I absolutely hate Acer Aspires .. there are alwats loads of them on ebay due to problems ..
[01:18] <solarcloud> **always..
[01:20] <solarcloud> Oops .. spotted a con job http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=160968343390
[01:20] <solarcloud> bettr watch out for them..
[01:20] <penguin42> ah, I was going to suggest the Tesco acer
[01:21] <penguin42> a few Tosh on there
[01:21] <solarcloud> I'll have a look...
[01:24] <penguin42> solarcloud: Also are you sure you need that size screen?
[01:24] <solarcloud> the HP's look nice .. ending in 18 hours time, I'll have to hang-on and do a last 6 second bid thingy.
[01:24] <penguin42> solarcloud: e.g. if you need the size perhaps plugin to a tv?
[01:25] <solarcloud> I think I need that screen size , why do you ask ?
[01:25] <penguin42> I guess it restricts your options a lot
[01:25] <solarcloud> oh ok .. one problem .. I chucked out the TV last year ! ..
[01:25] <penguin42> oh erm yeh that would be a problem
[01:26] <solarcloud> not really, 'e never looked back :D
[01:26] <solarcloud> **I've
[01:27]  * solarcloud puts his hands in the air as an Expression of Freedom From Tele !!
[01:28] <daftykins> also a CRT would drop your res, not increase it ;)
[01:28] <solarcloud> \o/
[01:33] <penguin42> hmm, don't quite think you can buy a monitor and full machine new for #120 - bet you can do it for #200 including the monitor
[01:34] <solarcloud> yeah, I want a laptop cos it's for the small space consideration... I think I'll try this one ... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Pavillion-dv9000-17-Entertainment-laptop-2-0GHz-2GB-RAM-Win-Vista-HP-/261161683012?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item3cce730844
[01:35] <solarcloud> but if all else fails I could try my old desktop in the other room and run Lubuntu on it, I guess.
[01:36] <penguin42> what spec is it?
[01:36] <solarcloud> The spare monitor I have got is DisplayPort and the desktop is old-type monitor cable (not HD or anything) ... so can I use an adapter or what, peeps ??
[01:37] <solarcloud> terrible spec. it's a 2004 machine ..
[01:37] <daftykins> displayport only? are you sure?
[01:37] <daftykins> that's rare as rocking horse...
[01:37] <solarcloud> the monitor is yes.
[01:38] <solarcloud> I'm using three of them now..
[01:38] <daftykins> i hardly believe it D:
[01:38] <penguin42> what model?
[01:38] <solarcloud> Wanna do a hangout and find out ?
[01:39] <penguin42> nah
[01:39] <solarcloud> pity the coward, I do.
[01:40] <daftykins> 'hangout' ?
[01:41] <solarcloud> Anyway, enough of that . I'm done for saturday .. oh wait.. yeah hangout .. I do it everyday on google plus .. it's a video conference.
[01:41] <solarcloud> but I'm sure your not interested, so bye.
[01:42] <daftykins> 0o
[01:50] <solarcloud> Note to self : Ask Ubuntu TV people what nettop to get to try out the TV software O/S and file countless bugs :)
[01:50] <solarcloud> by for now :)
[05:16] <Nils_> Hey guys
[05:16] <Nils_> I found a solution
[05:16] <Nils_> I deleted all my drivers and now it works
[05:17] <Nils_> Should I keep it this way. Which driver do I use now the open source one?
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> woo Half Life (1) works on Intel graphics :)
[07:17]  * MartijnVdS now has a proper game to play in Steam on Ubuntu :)
[10:26] <kala087> hi is there anybody who could help me with linux ubunt?? i am not familiar with system and tried to update but come error and they ask e for grub rescue ??
[10:26] <czajkowski> kala087: just ask and folks may be able to help
[10:26] <czajkowski> it's kinda quiet here on a sunday
[10:31] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: ooh, excellent *downloads*
[10:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <kala087> hi has anyone have spare minute?? i have update my com yesterday and come up error and grub resue.?? i am not familair with system at all. any advuce ?? please
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> yes.. ask a question and leave
[10:54] <brobostigon> quite,
[11:11] <kvarley> Is there an ubuntu equivalent for this?
[11:11] <kvarley> http://susestudio.com
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: http://ubuntustudio.org/ ?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U ?
[11:18] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Lol
[11:18] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I meant is there a GUI based app which will let you make your own ubuntu distro
[11:22] <bigcalm_laptop> Hazzar
[11:23] <ali1234> kvarley: you can probably use susestudio with enough hacking around. OBS supports ubuntu
[11:23] <kvarley> ali1234: OBS?
[11:57] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: Half-Life runs flawlessly for me, which is interesting, as it required me to install nvidia-common, yet I have an AMD card.
[11:59] <ali1234> nvidia-common is pulled in by some opengl/opencl stuff
[11:59] <ali1234> it's just silly dependencies, there's a bug about it somewhere
[12:02] <dwatkins> ah ok, I'm just concerned as I had to uninstall all the NVidia packages yesterday to allow Unity to work properly, ali1234.
[12:02] <ali1234> that's kind of weird
[12:04] <dwatkins> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741783 seems to address this.
[12:31]  * penguin42 wonders why translate.google.com managed to detect the polish source text, but offered me translations to Norwegianm English and Spanish (and picked Norwegian by default)
[12:32] <ali1234> it does that to me all the time
[12:32] <ali1234> then when you change the destination language it also changes the source language to something wrong
[12:33]  * penguin42 also wishes they'd integrate into G+ so that you can easily translate a single post
[12:33] <ali1234> would be nice
[12:34] <ali1234> integrate all the thing!
[12:34] <penguin42> yep
[12:39] <SuperEngineer> hi folkies
[12:40] <SuperEngineer> anyone tried this? http://tomorrowcorporation.com/littleinferno
[12:40] <SuperEngineer> [from same stable as World of Goo]
[12:44] <dwatkins> No, but a friend gives it high praise, SuperEngineer - saw a review on youtube, it looks pretty amusing
[12:45] <penguin42> haha that does look good; we've got a particle simulation engine and by heck we're going to use it :-)
[12:45] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: cheers - got a friend who took my advice re World og Goo - now hooked & wants this as well!
[13:28] <penguin42> oh that's a fun one; http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/02/02/225201/typing-these-8-characters-will-crash-almost-any-app-on-your-mountain-lion-mac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> oops
[14:38] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - my installed 12.04 is 12.04.2 - yet download from Ubuntu still points to 12.04.1 - double hmmm
[14:58] <jacobw> SuperEngineer: if you experienced the confused over 12.04 and 12.04.1 previously, this wouldn't be a suprise to you :p
[14:58] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: lol
[15:34] <jacobw> it takes quite a few clicks from the index of ubuntu.com to find the download page now
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> not to mention being made to feel like a cheapskate just to get a look at what the download image version is before offering £££
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> I would even go so far as saying it's a tad insulting
[15:43] <jacobw> i think it reminds people that producing free software is not without cost
[15:43] <BigRedS> It does rather remind me of all those "Would you like the Google toolbar for IE?" things in Windows freeware installers
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: agreed - but... don't profer an insult if I want to see what version you offer *before* I cough up
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> ...and I would like that to be taken as a constructive critism - not a complaint
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> [darn - really wish my fingers remembered to follow my brain when spelling!]
[17:18] <Laney> oh god
[17:18] <Laney> i just realised that the cake tin i'm baking in isn't deep enough and my cake is definitely going to rise over the sides
[17:19]  * Laney thinks about constructing artificial sides out of foil
[17:20] <ahayzen> Laney, tht sounds potentially messy ;) wht cake is it?
[17:20] <Laney> chocolate beetroot
[17:20] <ahayzen> nice
[17:21] <Laney> every time i look it's closer
[17:21] <Laney> and i dont have enough foil arghghgosudhgosdhg
[17:21] <ahayzen> could put it on baking sheet just in case ;)
[17:21] <ahayzen> so it doesn't wreck the oven
[17:21] <Laney> did
[17:21] <penguin42> yeesh beetroot
[17:21] <Laney> but i want to save the cake too if possible
[17:23] <ahayzen> could put another tin of similar size upside down on top lol...gonna have to think of something out of the box (or cake tin hehe)
[17:25] <Laney> yeah i put the outside of another tin over it
[17:25] <Laney> who knows what will happen
[17:26] <ahayzen> only one way to find out ;)
[18:08] <brobostigon> question, would it be possible, to use something like a ssh tunnel, between my rpi and my vps? and have traffic able to flow both ways?
[18:12] <zleap> brobostigon, i can't see why not ,  a pi is just another linux box
[18:12] <brobostigon> zleap: i just havent found a simple enough solution yet, i have read about vpn's and ssh tunnels and other solutions also.
[18:14] <zleap> ok
[18:14] <zleap> can you do it between 2 normal linux boxes
[18:14] <brobostigon> ssh, yes,
[18:15] <zleap> ok
[18:16] <zleap> so what is the VPN virtual private network,  so basically you want a secure link between 2 or more computers
[18:16] <brobostigon> yes.
[18:16] <brobostigon> same as an ssh tunnel.
[18:17] <zleap> ok
[18:17] <brobostigon> more or less,
[18:18] <jacobw> brobostigon: run openvpn on your vps and use a tap device
[18:18] <zleap> i am not an expert at this,  but i am guessing it should be possible as te PI is just running Linux,  maybe ask on #raspberrypi o
[18:18] <zleap> tap device
[18:18] <zleap> ?
[18:18] <brobostigon> jacobw: that is what i have been looking at,
[18:19] <popey> you could use openvpn
[18:20] <jacobw> yeah, if you use openvpn with a tap device you'll get an interface with a routeable address on pi and on the vps
[18:21] <brobostigon> ah. i see, that could be useful.
[18:22] <jacobw> sorry, tun, not tap
[18:22] <jacobw> tap is l2, tun is l3
[18:24] <zleap> ?
[18:24] <jacobw> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/BridgingAndRouting
[18:24]  * zleap is baffled
[18:25] <zleap> ah vpn stuff, i thought for a min you were talking about people
[18:25] <brobostigon> jacobw: yes, thats what i am reading,
[18:27] <jacobw> zleap: tap and tun devices are virtual network devices in the kernel, openvpn can give you an ethernet→ethernet adapter to send frames through which is a tap device or a network→network adapter which is a tun device to send packets through
[18:29] <zleap> ok
[18:30] <jacobw> i dunno how i could have been talking about people o_O
[18:30] <zleap> its fine,  didn't know what tap and tun was
[18:31] <brobostigon> jacobw: ok, question, is it possible to do the authentication without certificates?
[18:38] <jacobw> brobostigon: you can use a preshared key or usernames and passwords
[18:38] <brobostigon> jacobw: ah, i think i just found a page on the openvpn site about it.
[18:40] <jacobw> remember you don't have to use passphrases on keys, you can leave them unwrapped and readable only by the system user to be used by services
[18:41] <brobostigon> interesting,
[18:47] <popey> AlanBell: are your ears burning?
[18:47] <popey> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/1030/jblive/
[18:47] <popey> your blog post being talked about
[18:48] <popey> #jupiterbroadcasting on irc.geekshed.net
[20:35] <AlanBell> hi popey
[20:35] <popey> hello
[20:36] <AlanBell> what is jupiter broadcasting?
[20:57] <popey> AlanBell: podcast
[20:57] <popey> Linux Action Show
[20:58] <AlanBell> ah, that has a reddit thing, I got some hits from that to the blog article
[21:10] <bigcalm> Hola
[21:11] <popey> moo
[21:11] <bigcalm> How do?
[21:12] <popey> meh
[21:12] <bigcalm> That good eh? :)
[21:13] <bigcalm> Having had the week off, I should be feeling quite relaxed
[21:13] <bigcalm> Instead I'm just thinking about tomorrow morning
[21:20] <bigcalm> Headphones in, code up. Hayley is catching up on Dancing on Ice
[21:51] <popey> hello JohnRobert
[22:23] <JohnRobert> hello
[22:25] <popey> BigRedS_: back home?
[23:24] <BigRedS_> popey, yeah
[23:25] <BigRedS_> well, back in London, my soon-to-be home again :)
[23:48] <directhex> ADORABLE KITTEN ALERT! Rub ivanova's tummy, she grabs at your hand & starts to lick
[23:49] <daftykins> ;)