[09:35] <Kilos> hi zeref Vince-0 
[09:35] <Vince-0> Hi!
[09:35] <Kilos> you clever hey
[09:35] <Kilos> how do i mount a drive as root from livecd?
[09:35] <Kilos> need to do repairs
[09:38] <Kilos> sudo mount /dev/sda1 gives like man pages
[09:38] <Vince-0> hey?
[09:38] <Kilos> also get no such devce in fstab
[09:38] <Kilos> grrr
[09:38] <Vince-0> mount needs two options - device and destination path
[09:39] <Vince-0> and sometimes the -t option to tell it the FS type
[09:39] <Kilos> explain please
[09:39] <Vince-0> eg:
[09:39] <Vince-0> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/FOLDER
[09:40] <Kilos> oh
[09:40] <Symmetria> lo all
[09:40] <Vince-0> Hi
[09:40] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[09:40] <Symmetria> kilos did you get a response from fanie?
[09:40] <Kilos> oh ya he is looking into finding a better way
[09:41] <Symmetria> I suspect though that things at UFS are going to be rather insane in the next while, after the GS / Anonymous shit people there are a little busy freaking out
[09:41] <Kilos> you shoulda got him to cc the mail to me to you as well
[09:41] <Kilos> lemme get his mail and send it to you
[09:43] <Symmetria> heh in looking at security stuff, Im trying to explain to people, that its a two fold exercise
[09:43] <Symmetria> securing hosts without securing the network = useless, and vice versa
[09:44] <Symmetria> and securing a network is... a bitch :)
[09:44] <Vince-0> I read about all those leaks
[09:45] <Vince-0> not exactly incriminating evidence
[09:45] <Symmetria> heh vince, its an interesting situation, I've been following it incredibly closely
[09:45] <Symmetria> what you've got right now its two seperate groups
[09:45] <Symmetria> both claiming association with an over-arching meta-group
[09:45] <Symmetria> who have totally different ethos and ways of doing things
[09:46] <Vince-0> I saw that - not exacly ANONYMOUS is it - the data isn't exactly incriminating or to the point of making any impact
[09:46] <Symmetria> heh, you've got GS and the people associated with them who are kinda... the lulsec of anonymous 
[09:46] <Symmetria> and you've got the other side, who wants to stick to a very strict ethos and very strict targets and belief systems
[09:46] <Symmetria> the one side is *HIGHLY* political, the other is kids screwing around
[09:47] <Symmetria> heh, though the kids have skills, a lot of them
[09:47] <Kilos> mailed you 3 Symmetria 
[09:47] <Symmetria> and the dudes on the political side, very clearly know something about politics, pr and public perception and know how to use it
[09:48] <Symmetria> looking now kilos
[09:48] <Kilos> he seems helpful though
[09:48] <Vince-0> I kinda gathered that - hacking public websites and claiming big reprocussions without actually delivering any impact. Its not like those sites that got hacked were very security oriented with sensitive info
[09:48] <Symmetria> kilos *nod*
[09:49] <Symmetria> heh vince, which makes me question the whole GS association as well
[09:49] <Symmetria> because GS looking back at their history typically doesn't target low security easy targets
[09:49] <Symmetria> (GS is known for hitting interpol)
[09:50] <Symmetria> been kinda fascinating to track this though, in many ways its similar to shit I saw in the mid to late 90s
[09:51] <Symmetria> where there was a split between the blackhats and the grey/white hats
[09:51] <Symmetria> with people like hotmetal, logik, kodekat on the one side, and various on the other
[09:51] <Vince-0> aah
[09:51] <Symmetria> but its *FAR* more political, I mean, have you seen the videos released by OpSouthAfrica?
[09:51] <Symmetria> and their PR campaign?
[09:52] <Symmetria> http://anonrelations.net/opsouthafrica-official-pr-1036/ <[09:54] <Kilos> so vince how do i get to /dev/sda1 command line
[09:54] <Kilos> i want to go in as root not to a folder
[09:54] <Vince-0> Kilos, check fdisk -l to see whats there
[09:54] <Vince-0> not sure about the live environment
[09:55] <Vince-0> very interesting Symmetria - have you made any articles yourself about any of this? It seems the general public here don't have a clue and the tech journal sites are lacking
[09:55] <Kilos> /dev/sda1 +2 +5 which is swap
[09:56] <Symmetria> heh vince Im kinda staying outta this, tracking it from afar for various reasons
[09:57] <Vince-0> Do you have a direct stake in what was exposed?
[09:57] <Symmetria> nah
[09:57] <Symmetria> it's more a case of I can't afford association with certain things
[09:57] <Vince-0> I appreaciate the OpSA apology - more people need to read this
[09:57] <Symmetria> vince, I found this even more interesting
[09:58] <Symmetria> http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?a9ca41306d8c4ab7#GTo0D7Wvq3S0e08lCcZS4Nr1vKXR8rdoJYKXcuFltyQ=
[09:58] <Vince-0> I'm not suggesting association but rather education - seems you know more that the general public should know
[09:58] <Vince-0> nice! keep em coming - maybe I'll put something together
[09:58] <Symmetria> and based on that above one, it would seem the one doesn't seem all that interested in hacking shit, but more about rallying people (similar to what has been done with Anon Egypt and Anon Tunisia)
[09:59] <Symmetria> I mean, Anon Egypt actually broke into very little, they simply provided ways to get information in and out and bypass internet shutdown and censorship
[09:59] <Symmetria> vince, there is a movie out
[10:00] <Symmetria> lemme find what its called
[10:00] <Vince-0> think I've seen it
[10:00] <Symmetria> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2177843/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
[10:00] <Symmetria> that one
[10:00] <Symmetria> heh, its a fascinating watch
[10:01] <Kilos> Symmetria, can ufs afford the TB we will need
[10:01] <Symmetria> kilos yes
[10:01] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:01] <Kilos> yay\
[10:01] <Vince-0> oh yar, I've watched that We Are Legion
[10:02] <Symmetria> heh fascinating article that
[10:02] <Symmetria> article/movie
[10:03] <Symmetria> heh kilos ufs is also about to buy more disk space
[10:03] <Symmetria> a lot more
[10:03] <Symmetria> some very expensive disk space
[10:03] <Kilos> wonderful
[10:03] <Symmetria> and Im thinking that some of the old stuff might then be moved into the mirroring systems
[10:04] <Kilos> then us 3g peeps can do daily builds as well
[10:04] <Kilos> 80% saving on data use will be lekker
[10:04] <Symmetria> Vince-0 heh, the funny thing is, you say I know more than most, thats only because people haven't gone looking, I mean, this stuff is ALL over twitter
[10:05] <Symmetria> and the chat lines being used etc aren't hard to find, the only complication in getting to a lot of it is having to TOR 
[10:05] <Symmetria> and TOR is slow as shit 
[10:05] <Vince-0> ah, yes
[10:06] <Symmetria> heh I saw another interesting tool the other day floating around which is even more secure than tor, well, its kinda, tor via tor
[10:07] <Symmetria> basically identifies tor nodes in a coupla countries, very distinct from each other, and establishes almost a form of tunnel through them
[10:07] <Vince-0> well its all over the place so it's not in a concise place on a highly visible news site - looks like the tech journalists here do half a job reporting an ongoing story
[10:07] <Symmetria> so instead of bouncing outta a random tor node 
[10:07] <Symmetria> vince heh, yeah, except the journalists I think, don't really know how to report on this
[10:07] <Vince-0> yup! 
[10:08] <Symmetria> so few people actually understand what anonymous is, and its such a completely different concept, that reporting on it is... hard
[10:08] <Symmetria> probably the best synopsis of what anon is was an article written on wired
[10:08]  * Symmetria finds it
[10:09] <Symmetria> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/ff_anonymous/
[10:09] <Vince-0> OK, I'd like to put an article together sometime. I'll check your links - thanks
[10:09] <Symmetria> thats a very very good article
[10:09] <Vince-0> there is always very little local context to this sort of thing
[10:10] <Vince-0> maybe there's a journalist who will take notes and publish something
[10:27] <Kilos> Symmetria, did you read that third mail. quite a business getting an official server with ubuntu hey?
[10:28] <Kilos> not the mail the link in it
[10:51] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:51] <Symmetria> I gotta go buy a new cpu cooler tomorrow
[10:51] <Symmetria> damn thing is overheating when I load it so something aint right
[10:52] <Symmetria> heh not much seriously loads this cpu but when I need to, the cooling problems are becoming a real pain
[11:17] <Symmetria> man, this software is just, some of the most awesome stuff ever
[11:22] <Symmetria> (adobe after effects)
[12:00] <Symmetria> mannnn
[12:00] <Vince-0> the man?
[12:01] <Symmetria> hahaha I been playing with a combination of photoshop
[12:01] <Symmetria> after effects
[12:01] <Symmetria> and premiere
[12:01] <Symmetria> and you can do some really nifty stuff
[12:01] <Vince-0> no gimp?
[12:01] <Symmetria> heh, gimp is not at the level of the tools yet, seriously
[12:02] <Symmetria> you can do *SOME* of the photoshop stuff in gimp, but limited
[12:02] <Symmetria> the moment you start into the video side, that requires something else, adn there arent any serious video production tools that I know of for linux
[12:03] <Symmetria> heh after effects / premiere pro for video editing, I'd say there is nothing better
[12:03] <Symmetria> especially when you wanna start taking various pieces and putting them on top of each other and merging them while applying hardcore effects
[12:03] <Vince-0> true - they've had good, continuous commercial dev
[12:04] <Symmetria> the only problem with doing any of this, if you don't have the hardware to support it, don't even bother, it *strains* my machine when I start getting complicated
[12:04] <Symmetria> and if its straining this machine, I don't wanna know what it would do on your average desktop
[12:04] <Symmetria> (I'm using a machine with a 6 core i7 cpu, 64gigs of ram, and a gtx 690 video card for hardware rendering)
[12:05] <Vince-0> jeez
[12:05] <Symmetria> heh, it uses 48 gigs of ram working with a 10 minute video clip
[12:05] <Symmetria> and the moment you hit render to put it all together, every cpu core is totally maxed out and the gpu is working overtime
[12:07] <Vince-0> dayam, at least it uses all the cores
[12:07] <Symmetria> heh basically, it will use every resource your machine can throw at it 
[12:09] <deegee_1> hi all
[12:11] <Symmetria> heh I switched to my secondary machine because of cooling problems in my primary 
[12:11] <Symmetria> gotta get a new cpu cooler :(
[12:12] <Symmetria> Processor Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz
[12:12] <Symmetria> Name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680
[12:13] <Symmetria> still has 64gigs of ram though
[12:13] <Vince-0> yoh yoh - give me the old one
[12:13] <Symmetria> hehe I use both
[12:13] <Vince-0> I game a bit on the old i7 , Gefore560ti - handles most
[12:13] <Symmetria> running the 680 video card and the 3.2ghz cpu in this one
[12:13] <Symmetria> with 4 x 27" monitors on it
[12:14] <Symmetria> then 4 x 27" on the other one and only difference is its got a 690 video card and a slightly faster cpu
[12:14] <Symmetria> heh the wall in my room is a bank of monitors
[12:14] <Vince-0> are you a designer?
[12:14] <Symmetria> heh nah, Im a network geek, I just like my toys
[12:14] <Symmetria> and love my desktop real estate so I can have a gazillion routers, graphs and other things open at the same time
[12:15] <Vince-0> nice, me2 but only two 23" monitors
[12:16] <Symmetria> biggest issue with more than 2 monitors is the price of the cards to drive them at proper res
[12:16] <Symmetria> the moment you move to 4 screens if you're planning on driving em hard you need a fancy card, and the video cards start to get *REAL* expensive at that level
[12:16] <Vince-0> work gets done on a 15" Dell XPS - Fedora with 4 virtual desktops and lots of windows. I find the Gnome3 UI quite productive
[12:17] <Symmetria> (my 690 video card was over 10 grand when I bought it)
[12:17] <Vince-0> sheeesh - thats dedication - what desktop environment?
[12:17] <Symmetria> depends, I multi-boot, generally Im either using os-x or windows 7, I keep linux for my servers 
[12:18] <Vince-0> aah
[12:18] <Symmetria> heh preference is os-x but getting it to run on non-apple hardware can be a bitch
[12:18] <Vince-0> there has been a bit of a mix-up on the Linux desktop environments lately - I test a few for work purposes
[12:18] <Symmetria> and *laugh* I aint prepared to spend the kinda money I'd need to to convert to a complete apple setup
[12:20] <Vince-0> that's some over priced hardware
[12:20] <Vince-0> at least you're getting bang for your buck with a 690
[12:21] <Vince-0> did you see those special edition ATI hybrid cooling gfx cards - yoh
[12:21] <Symmetria> heh ATI and nvidia are always competing, but last I saw, the 690 still kicked the crap outta the ati
[12:23] <Vince-0> I do prefer Nvidia - trying to find a link to these ATIs - apparently making only 1000 or something
[12:24] <Symmetria> lol, I have nothing other than toys to spend my money on, so I have a habit of just buying whatever is latest as it comes out
[12:26] <Vince-0> GTX690 is right up there
[12:27] <Symmetria> yea its a beautiful card
[12:51] <Symmetria> lol, my dog chasing hardidars is so funny
[12:52] <Symmetria> she sees them in the yard and takes off chasing em, they get a fright and start flying away making a helluva a noise, she freaks out at the noise and looks all confused
[12:52] <Vince-0> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/69668-anonymous-sa-denies-link-to-ghostshell-hackers.html
[12:52] <Vince-0> those birds make the biggest kaks on my car
[12:52] <Symmetria> wow they are late on the uptake of that stuff
[12:53] <Vince-0> from M&G
[12:55] <Symmetria> heh there are factual inaccuracies in that article though
[12:55] <Symmetria> there is no such thing as anonymous south africa for one thing
[12:56] <Symmetria> anonymous doesnt work like that, it divides into operations
[12:59] <Vince-0> nabs, 
[12:59] <Vince-0> we need better (tech) journalists
[15:30] <Xethron> Greetings
[15:31] <Cantide> hi
[15:31] <Kilos> ohi Xethron 
[15:31] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:31] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[15:32] <Xethron> Kilos: read a lot about you
[15:32] <Xethron> or, rather, previous logs of you :P
[15:32] <Kilos> oh my. all bad i hope
[15:32] <Kilos> hehe
[15:32] <Kilos> where did you read it??
[15:32] <Kilos> oh those
[15:33] <Kilos> where are you Xethron 
[15:33] <Xethron> Pretoria
[15:33] <Kilos> wow down the road
[15:33] <Xethron> Heard about tomorrow nights meeting
[15:33] <Xethron> thought I'll give it a go
[15:33] <Xethron> Reading the previous logs to see if its worth it
[15:34] <Kilos> its always worth it to visit us
[15:34] <Xethron> haha
[15:34] <Xethron> of course you would say that
[15:34] <Xethron> :P
[15:34] <Kilos> better to always be here and help guys
[15:35] <Kilos> i dont think we are having a meet tomorrow night
[15:35] <Kilos> our monthly is on the 18th
[15:35] <Cantide> i was about to ask :D
[15:35] <Xethron> oh yea
[15:35] <Xethron> soz
[15:35] <Cantide> because it seems like just yesterday that we had one
[15:35] <Kilos> what client are you using?
[15:35] <Xethron> I knew its a monday, just not sure which monday :P
[15:36] <Kilos> 3rd monday of the month
[15:36] <Xethron> so I'm two weeks early
[15:36] <Kilos> this one should beinteresting i think
[15:36] <Xethron> If I'm gonne attend, its going to me Awesome!
[15:36] <Kilos> yeah now you can get used to us and not be a stranger in paradise on the 18th
[15:36] <Xethron> haha
[15:37] <Xethron> oh and Maaz is also here :)
[15:37] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[15:37] <Xethron> lol
[15:37] <Xethron> My name is steve, and I'm a pirate!
[15:37] <Symmetria> urgh
[15:37] <Cantide> Kilos, what will make this meeting awesome?'-';
[15:37] <Kilos> welcome steve you seem to know irc well
[15:37] <Symmetria> someone do me a favour and gimme a shell command to split a 24000 line long file into files of a thousand lines long each
[15:37] <Symmetria> so I can make 24 thousand line long files
[15:38] <Xethron> Maaz: I am Bernhard Breytenbach
[15:38] <Maaz> Xethron: Sorry...
[15:38] <Xethron> :(
[15:38] <Kilos> there should be some talk about activism
[15:38] <Kilos> lol he only registers names when in meeting mode Xethron 
[15:38] <Xethron> Kilos: I'm a PHP developer, currently using Linux Mint
[15:39] <Kilos> you still welcome here. what took you so long to get here
[15:39] <Xethron> haha
[15:39] <Xethron> I also made a IRC bot a while ago
[15:40] <Xethron> Then lost interest and now it deid
[15:40] <Kilos> we need maaz here he does so much
[15:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:40]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[15:40] <Xethron> What is he coded in?
[15:40] <Kilos> python
[15:41] <Kilos> called ibid
[15:41] <Xethron> Nice
[15:41] <Xethron> Mine was Ruby
[15:41] <Kilos> written by our guys
[15:41] <Kilos> maintained and upgraded by the weed
[15:41] <Xethron> I saw Ruby on Rails has a huge security loophole...
[15:42] <Kilos> the big noises here are python peeps amongst other duties
[15:43] <Xethron> ah. Need to get into Python :/
[15:43] <Kilos> we got some mint guys too that didnt like unity
[15:43] <Xethron> Have a project I need to do, but its coded in Python...
[15:43] <Kilos> byteofpython is the book to read to start if im not mistook
[15:44] <Xethron> But I've never really dived in to it too deeply
[15:44]  * Xethron Googles it
[15:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:44] <Kilos> all my python knowledge is the help from the guys
[15:44] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:44] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:45] <Kilos> hi superfly tell him about python
[15:45] <Xethron> So Kilos: Tell me about yourself :P
[15:45] <Xethron> Hmm... Lag spikes :(
[15:46] <Kilos> lol you read the blog didnt you
[15:46] <Symmetria> so anyone got a decent script line tod ot hat?
[15:46] <Symmetria> to do that I mean
[15:46] <Kilos> that was long ago. its gone now
[15:46] <Kilos> Symmetria, wait till they get over weekend rest mode
[15:47] <Kilos> theyll be here tonight
[15:47] <Xethron> Script to do what?
[15:47] <Kilos> Xethron, what do you want to know?
 someone do me a favour and gimme a shell command to split a 24000 line long file into files of a thousand lines long each
 so I can make 24 thousand line long files
[15:47] <Vince-0> Symmetria, simple bash
[15:48] <Vince-0> split
[15:48] <Vince-0> first page on stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3066948/how-to-file-split-at-a-line-number
[15:50] <Xethron> Kilos: Where you from, What you doing?
[15:50] <Kilos> im in pretoria onna plot to the west
[15:50] <Kilos> help out on sisters plot but otherwise semi disabled
[15:51] <Xethron> If you want it really simple, yet ineffective, Maybe loop the string till you come to 1000 then enter a new line, and then loop again. :P
[15:51] <Xethron> Kilos: semi?
[15:51] <Kilos> yeah bust head open and brains ram out and got eina 24/7
[15:52] <Kilos> only hurts bad when i think
[15:52] <Kilos> hehe
[15:53] <Kilos> otherwise i play with old pcs and do what i can with data recovery and drive repairs that ms has killed for my son
[16:00] <Vince-0> used Spinrite?
[16:03] <Symmetria> lol thanks
[16:03] <Symmetria> that was simple
[16:08] <Kilos> oh sorry Vince-0 didnt know that was for me. use testdisk photorec scalpel and one other i forget now
[16:09] <Vince-0> oh k I know those
[16:09] <Kilos> i see it has to be purchased
[16:09] <Kilos> i use free stuff
[16:10] <Kilos> is spinright a linux tool Vince-0 ?
[16:10] <Vince-0> its worth it - preboot tool for partition recovery etc
[16:10] <Vince-0> yeah it preboots as far as I remember
[16:11] <Kilos> i have supergrub and ubcd as well and a few drive specific tools
[16:11] <Vince-0> im sure the other tools have most of the spinrite features
[16:11] <Kilos> ubcd is good too if you work it right
[16:13] <Kilos> and sometimes do fixmbr and fixboot with xp
[16:13] <Kilos> and 98 fdisk /mbr
[16:14]  * not_found appears
[16:14] <Kilos> hi not_found you not missing anymore
[16:15] <not_found> :) hi uncle Kilos 
[16:15] <not_found> might still be
[16:15] <Kilos> we got php help if he visits more often
[16:15] <Kilos> i know most here avoid it
[16:17] <Kilos> Xethron, you should get involved with our community man
[16:17] <Kilos> we dont chase mint peeps
[16:21] <Squirm> back in Natal
[16:21] <Squirm> work tomorrow :/
[16:22] <Kilos> good
[16:28] <Kilos> wbb
[16:46] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[16:46] <Symmetria> people dying in egypt protests, sucks
[16:49] <Vince-0> how many?
[16:49] <Symmetria> no idea, I just saw the tweets though to say another anon killed at those protests
[17:21] <not_found> night
[17:21] <Kilos> sleep tight not_found 
[17:48] <zeref> herro
[17:51] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[18:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:35] <smile> hi :)
[19:29] <smile> bye :)
[19:30] <smile> good night