[06:46] <phoenix_firebrd> good morning everyone
[07:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: which version of tomahawk have to be packaged and where can i get the tars
[08:04] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ^
[08:05] <shadeslayer> already done
[08:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger packaged it a week or two ago
[08:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats for quantal
[08:05]  * shadeslayer rages at live-build
[08:05] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: oh?
[08:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: yofel asked me to package day before yesterday
[08:07] <shadeslayer> ahh
[08:07] <shadeslayer> not quite
[08:07] <shadeslayer> I believe he was talking about getting tomahawk into the archives
[08:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so now what should i do?
[08:07] <shadeslayer> other stuff? :P
[08:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: no wait
[08:07] <shadeslayer> write some KDE code?
[08:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: he said there are some stuff that are need to be done with tomahawk
[08:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: like the copyright file is not done yet
[08:09] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: tell me where can i get the tars for raring
[08:09] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu
[08:09] <shadeslayer> the latest packaging is there
[08:09] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu/view/head:/debian/copyright
[08:11] <shadeslayer> http://download.tomahawk-player.org/tomahawk-0.6.0.tar.bz2
[08:11] <shadeslayer> tarball
[08:11] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[08:14] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: quoting what yofel said "feature freeze, packaging is in ppa:tomahawk/ppa, just needs cleanup"
[08:15] <shadeslayer> right
[08:15] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: "after that get it into the archiv"
[08:15] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: "ah, and I think the copyright files are missing. That's the hardest part"
[08:15] <shadeslayer> the packaging I pointed you to is for raring
[08:15] <shadeslayer> just download the copyright file and run license-check over the tomahawk tarball
[08:16] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so its needs to be packaged for right?
[08:16] <shadeslayer> not packaging, just grunt work :P
[08:16] <shadeslayer> it's already packaged
[08:16] <shadeslayer> just the copyright file needs to be fixed
[08:16] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: for raring?
[08:16] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[08:16] <shadeslayer> it's not in the archive though
[08:17] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: you mean here ~blue-shell?
[08:17] <shadeslayer> yes
[08:17] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so whats after license-check?
[08:17] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: is it complete?
[08:17] <shadeslayer> huh?
[08:18] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: is the copyright file have to be updated?
[08:18] <shadeslayer> run license-check > populate debian/copyright with the right copyrights > poke yofel with the right copyright file
[08:18] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[08:19] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: did you check the ktp-desktop-applets in my branch?
[08:19] <shadeslayer> I'll look at it in the evening
[08:19] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[08:19] <shadeslayer> fixing live-build right now
[08:19] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok see you later
[08:19] <shadeslayer> cya
[10:13]  * apachelogger stumbles in
[10:19] <apachelogger> oy, I think I am coming down with a cold
[10:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, as I mentioned already, I think the volume thing is a bug caused by gstreamer
[10:20] <apachelogger> which would explain why I don't see the prob
[10:20] <shadeslayer> I don't think so
[10:20] <oy> apachelogger, I am sorry to read that, all the best to you
[10:21] <shadeslayer> IMHO it's a bug in PA support stuff, because it doesn't find the index for the stream id
[10:21] <shadeslayer> but, I can mute/unmute the same video with dragon
[10:22] <apachelogger> ohlol
[10:23] <apachelogger> oy: curious nick choice :)
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: unless bangarang and dragon have the same codez it does not matter
[10:24] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[10:24] <apachelogger> libphonon does lazy init all over the place, so timing/order could be what causes the issue
[10:24] <shadeslayer> hm
[10:24] <shadeslayer> so why do you think it's a bug in gst
[10:24] <shadeslayer> and not in PA
[10:24] <shadeslayer> erm, PA support I mean
[10:25] <oy> apachelogger, my nick comes from a project affiliation
[10:25]  * valorie sends apachelogger some hot lemonade
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 90% of the bugs are bugs in gst
[10:25] <shadeslayer> then this is the case of the 10%
[10:25] <apachelogger> valorie: cheers
[10:25] <apachelogger> oy: k
[10:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you have no proof of that :P
[10:26] <shadeslayer> no I do not :P
[10:26] <apachelogger> easy though
[10:26] <valorie> stay well!
[10:26] <shadeslayer> but I can say this though, gst stuff is never called
[10:26]  * valorie goes to bed
[10:26] <shadeslayer> valorie: night :)
[10:26] <apachelogger> valorie: nighty
[10:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: add debug output to all functions doing stuff with streams
[10:27] <valorie> $timeofday-greeting
[10:27] <valorie> :-)
[10:27] <shadeslayer> @_@
[10:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have a patch for that :P
[10:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw you still haven't replied to the s-p-k thread
[10:38] <apachelogger> ah yes
[10:38] <apachelogger> well
[10:38] <apachelogger> I still do not know what the plan for apturl is
[10:38] <apachelogger> no way
[10:38] <apachelogger> what
[10:38] <shadeslayer> so reply that you don't know what the plan for apturl is
[10:39] <apachelogger> ah yes
[10:39] <apachelogger> its the atpurl thread :P
[10:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is the plan for apturl
[10:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wasn't it supposed to go away in favor of muon/ubuntustuff?
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: alternatively JontheEchidna could ahve done that :P
[10:40] <shadeslayer> well ... just saying, no replies on that thread
[10:40] <shadeslayer> doesn't look good ;)
[10:40] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:40] <apachelogger> we were busy bikeshedding
[10:40] <shadeslayer> hehe
[10:41] <shadeslayer> need coffee
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:16] <Peace-> mm problem with plasmaengineexplorer 
[12:16] <Peace-> it says 
[12:17] <Peace-> The program 'plasmaengineexplorer' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[12:17] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install kde-workspace-bin
[12:17] <Peace-> ok done but :D there is not 
[12:23] <shadeslayer> !find plasmaengineexplorer
[12:23] <shadeslayer> !find plasmaengineexplorer raring
[12:25] <shadeslayer> I think this is one of those things that is not being built at the moment or was ripped out and put into plasmate
[12:25] <shadeslayer> which does not have a release yet
[12:26] <apachelogger> Peace-: moved to plasmate which is not part of workspace
[12:26] <apachelogger> in fact not even part of the software collection...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> anyone on Quantal?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> can you check if plasma-widget-veromix works
[13:13] <soee> shadeslayer, it is nt a port of standard widgets ?
[13:13] <soee> *not, part
[13:14] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:19] <BluesKaj> veromix is available in the "get new widgets/download new plasma widgets " 
[13:20] <BluesKaj> in 13.04
[13:21] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: well .. it doesn't work
[13:21] <shadeslayer> probably python2 vs python3 issue
[13:22] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok , i never bothered trying it 
[13:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger says it's shit :p
[13:23] <apachelogger> and Sho likes the way the layout is broken
[13:23] <apachelogger> we should make it default really
[13:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think I fixed tomahawk now
[13:25] <shadeslayer> er, no?
[13:25] <apachelogger> yes!
[13:25] <shadeslayer> got a build message saying it failed?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> well, it's redundant , pavucontrol does a good job if needed , but it won't replace kmix on my panel, which i use as a mute/unbmute/vol indicator 
[13:25] <shadeslayer> not 10 minutes ago
[13:25] <apachelogger> that was from the previous thing
[13:25] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:25] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:25] <shadeslayer> awesome?
[13:25] <apachelogger> after which I noticed that what I thought was a checkout was in fact a clone
[13:25] <apachelogger> it is a good thing bzr can do both
[13:26] <apachelogger> it makes screwing up so much easier for me
[13:26] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: it's way too fat for anything anyway
[13:26] <apachelogger> a thing sitting there doing nothing most of the time should not consume that much memory really
[13:28] <BluesKaj> I used to need pavucontrol , but recently 12.10 and 13.04 , the phonon harware options/choices do the job 
[13:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: phonon-backend-gstreamer_4.7.0really4.6.2.orig.tar.xz we shoudl release a pgst 4.7 to fix that ^^
[13:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: get tdfischer to merge gst1.0 stuff
[13:30] <shadeslayer> *review and merge
[13:30] <apachelogger> y u no do it?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> because I want him to review stuff
[13:30] <apachelogger> months will pass until trever finds time to do it
[13:30] <shadeslayer> true ... it did take him 2 weeks just to make a chroot with gst1.0
[13:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw if we ship pgst 4.7 for Kubuntu, we'll have to rebuild everything against 1.0
[13:31] <shadeslayer> not to mention
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ktp-call-ui
[13:31] <shadeslayer> which will still depend on gst 0.10
[13:31] <apachelogger> so
[13:32] <shadeslayer> though that's not shipped on the CD so meh
[13:32] <apachelogger> why do you want to have gst1 in the feature scope for 4.7?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> because it sounds like a good target?
[13:32] <apachelogger> what I would do is ... branch 4.7 and relase that, then merge gst1 into master to become 4.8
[13:32] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it also soudns like a good way to delay a possible release for no good reason :P
[13:33] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:33] <shadeslayer> okay, how about I have a look at branching 4.7 this weekend
[13:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it seems there is only one feature in 4.7 though ^^
[13:35] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:35] <shadeslayer> snapshot?
[13:35] <apachelogger> plus a whole lot of random minor improvements
[13:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, snapshot too... so there are 2 features :D
[13:35] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:35] <apachelogger> channel selection + snapshot
[13:35] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[13:35] <apachelogger> well
[13:36] <apachelogger> we had no API additions in a while so I suppose there is a point where almost no features can get in
[13:36] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:36] <apachelogger> that being said the biggest feature that is in master is qml/graphicsobject support which would probably have to be stripped from a possible release as there is no phonon4.7
[13:36] <shadeslayer> in pgst?
[13:36] <apachelogger> yes
[13:37] <apachelogger> oh and that was I believe only quickly hacked together in randa
[13:37] <apachelogger> so not very releasable I guess
[13:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:37] <shadeslayer> so, branch 4.7, revert QML bits
[13:37] <shadeslayer> release?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> maybe also fix that bangarang issue?
[13:38] <Peace--> shadeslayer: no it doesn't work 
[13:38] <apachelogger> don't revert them, just turn them off
[13:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[13:38] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I mean
[13:38] <Peace--> shadeslayer: every plasma widget that works with python has issue on 13.04
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Peace--: fun
[13:38] <apachelogger> we should discuss on the ML what to do with the qml bits
[13:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz2start discussion since you know more about it
[13:39] <Peace--> btw ... can someone fix the  plasmaengineexplorer 
[13:39] <Peace--> on 13.04 there is not way to install it 
[13:39] <apachelogger> if no one wants them in a relase of p4 I'd deactivate them in all repos, release a last minor version and then consider master frozen for features
[13:39] <apachelogger> (i.e. further 4.7 releases happen from master and p5 development in a branch)
[13:39] <apachelogger> or vice versa, doesn't really matter ^^
[13:40] <apachelogger> Peace--: <apachelogger> Peace-: moved to plasmate which is not part of workspace
 in fact not even part of the software collection...
[13:40] <apachelogger> Peace--: you want to complain about that in #plasma
[13:40] <Peace--> apachelogger: ah srr
[13:40] <Peace--> not readed 
[13:40] <apachelogger> no problem
[13:41] <Peace--> apachelogger: mm plasmate ? i can't find on apt-cache
[13:41] <Peace--> sigh
[13:42] <apachelogger> because there is no stable release of plasmate
[13:42] <apachelogger> it's very much still in development
[13:42] <apachelogger> hence why you can feel free to complain to the plasma people
[13:42] <Peace--> ok compiling it 
[13:44] <Peace--> someone here knows if rooting asus nexus you will lost warranty
[13:44] <Peace--> i would like try plasma active but... :D 
[13:50] <shadeslayer> oh shoot
[13:50] <shadeslayer> I forgot about ktp-desktop-applets
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Anyone do calligra? If not I will do it...
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Damn who posted 2.6.0 there when it is still not yet released???
[15:18] <yofel__> smartboyhw: tarballs are avaliable on kde private sftp
[15:19] <yofel__> someone will have to give you access to that or fetch you the tar if you plan to work on it. It can be put into ninja PPA until it's out
[15:24] <smartboyhw> yofel, I want to work onit
[15:25] <smartboyhw> yofel__, ^
[15:28] <yofel__> can someone please do that? otherwilse I'll take care of it in ~half an hour once I'm home. Can't do it from here.
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[15:33] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+sshkeys first key or second?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, checking:P
[15:36] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, first one with name and email
[15:36]  * smartboyhw finds it real hard
[15:50] <apachelogger> yofel:   File "/home/apachelogger/kubuntu-dev-tools/pylib/KubuntuDevTools/launchpad.py", line 95, in login_with
[15:50] <apachelogger>     credential_store=credential_store)
[15:50] <apachelogger> TypeError: login_with() got an unexpected keyword argument 'application_name'
[15:54] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:55] <apachelogger> yofel: I am somewhat certain __version__ is a str object
[15:55] <apachelogger> you are comapring a str with a float here
[15:56] <apachelogger> distutils apparently has functions to compare versions
[16:22] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah, I am -.-
[16:23] <yofel> apachelogger: wouldn't just comparing '1.6' > '1.9' work here though? as > does work on strings
[16:23] <yofel> hm, depending on whether __version__ is guaranteed to be a string
[16:50] <Riddell> hi
[17:05] <Riddell> 4.10.0 all done? awesomeness
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: hi
[17:11] <Riddell> howdy phoenix_firebrd 
[17:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: where is the source in this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu ?
[17:19] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: mm how do you mean?
[17:19] <Riddell> Get this branch:
[17:19] <Riddell> bzr branch lp:~blue-shell/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu
[17:19] <Riddell> says that page
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: it only contains the debain files but not the source files
[17:20] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: have you checked that ~blue-shell PPA?
[17:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: no
[17:21] <Riddell> might be this one https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/tomahawk
[17:21] <Riddell> but you'd be best to ask apachelogger since it's his package
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: any reason why the source was not added?
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: is this a common practice?
[17:23] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: yes, keeping the full source code in bzr gets very faffy very quickly
[17:23] <Riddell> best to keep them separate
[17:23] <Riddell> it's the main reason why UDD isn't very popular I think
[17:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: so we can add only the change and then merge with the main?
[17:24] <Riddell> yes
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: i have some doubts, do you have time?
[17:31] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: I have time but a wonky head so I may not make much sense, ask away :)
[17:32] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: in that case, just tell me where can i find the kbzr manual 
[17:33] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: kbzr is a one line shell script to run bzr on ~kubuntu-packagers
[17:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: oh, ok 
[17:33] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: thank you , see you later
[17:34] <Riddell> things you might want to read include bzr-buildeb manual which is a tool to do various things with mixing package sources and bzr archives http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/
[17:34] <Riddell> the ubuntu packaging guide which covers packaging with UDD and more traditional methods that keep the source separate from the .tar.gz http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[17:35] <Riddell> and the bzr user guide http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/user-guide/
[17:35] <Riddell> but if you get overwhelmed then stop, not all of that will be useful to take in all at once
[17:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I have learned most of the basics, but i have something else to ask in my mind. I will ask you or yofel or shadeslayer later
[17:37] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: got time?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: saw the Archos G9 post on planetkde
[17:38] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: not exactly, pretty tired :P
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: me too
[17:38] <shadeslayer> I merged your ktp-desktop-applets packaging after a few fixes btw
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: oh thank you
[17:38] <shadeslayer> no, thank you :)
[17:39] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: any time
[17:39] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i will check for the changes
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://ruedigergad.com/2013/02/04/plasma-active-for-archos-g9-armv7hl/
[17:40] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: just one question for today so that i can sleep?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:40] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: https://code.launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/ktp-desktop-applets-ubuntu
[17:40] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: why is the watch file directing me to a third party website?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> can you give me an example?
[17:42] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok wait
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: cx-freeze v4.3.1 "http://sf.net/cx-freeze/(?:cx-freeze|cx_Freeze)-(.*)\.tar\.gz"
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats the link in the watch file, thats sourceforge
[17:44] <shadeslayer> sf.net is a redirector for sourceforge.net
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya i know but why?
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: if cx-freeze is part of ubuntu|Kde they the source is somewhere else?
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: In that case the original author can add any source location?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> the source is hosted on sourceforge
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: as a source package download link?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> i.e. the orignal source
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[17:46] <shadeslayer> "qa.debian.org runs a redirector which allows a simpler form of URL for SourceForge based projects."
[17:46] <shadeslayer> so simpler url format
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so only SourceForge  links accepted?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> huh
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> sf.net only redirects to sourceforge, yes
[17:48] <shadeslayer> but you can add a watch file for say, downloads.kde.org
[17:48] <shadeslayer> -s
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: if i am the author of a software and i put my original package in xyz.com for download, then can i add that link in the watch fil.e?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:49] <shadeslayer> but the watch file will only work as long as the author of the software follows a proper format
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats ok
[17:50] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so launchpad will accept that right?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> for eg. if you release foo-0.1.tar.gz and then release bar_1.tar.xz and your watch file only takes one of the conditions 
[17:50] <shadeslayer> then it won't work
[17:50] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: LP doesn't really complain about watch files :P
[17:50] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so no one decides on the link location except the original author right?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats all
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ty
[17:51] <shadeslayer> np
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: good night
[17:51] <shadeslayer> night :)
[17:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: good night
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I've put an apturl on my todo list for QApt 2.1
[22:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when would that be?
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: 2.0.0 release is scheduled for mid-March
[22:23] <apachelogger> k
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