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ppisatimoin08:09
* apw waves to ppisati08:47
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apwmoin09:00
* apw notes that mounting encrypted drives is "not allowed again" and mumble is broke, and until my update completes i cannot reboot for either09:01
smbapw is truly in Monday hell09:04
apwtruly indeed09:10
apwthough i have tea, so something is ok09:10
apwthings _seem_ to be working ok09:16
smb(famous last words)09:18
apwall true09:19
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ppisatibrb10:31
* henrix -> lunch12:11
ograapw, bug 111339612:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 1113396 in linux-nexus7 (Ubuntu) "syslog spammed with cpu_up/cpu_down messages after upgrade to linux-nexus7 3.1.10-9.24" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111339612:29
ogranot sure if there is an easy way to quieten it12:30
apwogra, i am not sure i would expect to see the kernel turning its own cpus on and off12:33
ograwell, i dont think the interactive giovernor is a mainline thing 12:35
apwogra, and which version was this ok in ?12:38
ogranone, we only switched to interactive pretty recently12:38
apwogra, as i was runing .24 and it was not saying it, i rebooted to run .25 and it is ...12:38
apwok so this is triggered by a userspace change12:38
ograthe governor code itself is noisy, i assume android simply de-routesd the messages into their own log or so12:39
ograright, it is triggered by actually activating the governor12:39
ogra(interactive means there is userspace config, we only put that into place recently (it is identical with teh android setup now))12:40
ograsee /etc/init.d/ondemand on an up to date nexus712:40
apwogra, so all of these messages are at standard low levels, so they won't appear on the console12:40
apwogra, but they will be logged to dmesg, and then to syslog indeed12:41
ograyes, but they make dmesg unreadable 12:41
ograand syslog, yeah12:41
apwthose messages are key messages during boot so one knows that your CPUs have come up right12:43
ograits the dynaminc "core up/down" messages that are noisy12:43
* ogra doesnt care about boot ... but about readable logs :)12:44
apwyou will if it doesn't12:44
ograheh, indeed12:44
apwand this has a measurable difference in something which makes it worthwhile12:44
ogradefinitely 12:45
ograwith all other governors i have a constant system load above 1.012:45
ograits the only way to get the CPU to behave sanely it seems12:45
apwother than load, which could well just be a lie12:45
ograbattery life definitely is extended (i didnt measure exactly how much yet, but it is noticeable)12:46
apwok i'll have a think about it12:46
ograi marked it as wishlist for a reason though ... its not super high prio12:46
ogra(i guess you can filter with grep/sed/whatever if actually needed)12:47
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brendandhenrix, when are you spinning the next -proposed kernels?13:40
henrixbrendand: a new SRU cycle just started13:41
henrixbrendand: so, we should have new kernels in -proposed by EOW13:41
brendandhenrix, so the testing week will be 18th to 22nd?13:41
henrixbrendand: yes, i believe so13:42
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* infinity eyeballs the oneiric SRU...15:03
infinityhenrix: I thought we were taking an SRU break? :P15:03
henrixinfinity: i believe that break is now over :)15:03
infinityHuh.  Time flies.15:03
infinityThough we're still skipping this one for P/Q, I guess?15:04
henrixinfinity: we skiped one cycle only, so... a new one starts this week15:04
infinityOr just queueing things up in the PPA, but not accepting them.15:04
infinitySo as to not disrupt 12.04.215:04
henrixinfinity: no, i believe we're rolling all the kernels this cycle. we have a bunch of stuff already in master-next branches. time to flush, i believe :)15:05
henrixbut i may be wrong :/15:05
henrixbjf: any thoughts? ^^^15:05
infinityWell, precise is frozen until release, so you can roll what you want, but it's not going anywhere.  That's all.15:06
infinity(And it releases in 10 days)15:07
infinitySo, that may be decent timing anyway.  I can do the PPA->proposed copies as soon as the release is out.15:07
henrixinfinity: makes sense to me. but i'll confirm this with bjf once he's around. he may prefer to skip P again15:08
infinity   * ext4: quiet 'unused variables' compile warnings15:10
infinity     - LP: #107131415:10
infinity     - CVE-2012-450815:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 1071314 in linux (Ubuntu Hardy) "CVE-2012-4508" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107131415:10
infinity^-- How on earth does that warrant a CVE?15:10
henrixinfinity: where are you seen that?15:11
infinityhenrix: Your changelog.15:12
henrixinfinity: right, but in which kernel?15:12
infinityProbably just a copy-and-waste oops.15:12
infinityhenrix: oneiric.15:12
henrixinfinity: ok, let me check...15:12
henrixinfinity: ah! so, the prob was that the fix for that CVE required some adjustments (this was commit dee1f973ca341c266229faa5a1a5bb268bed3531)15:13
infinityhenrix: Stacked commits, fair enough.  Still seems like an odd way to attribute the bug, but I don't really care either. :P15:14
henrixinfinity: so, the CVE fix contains 2 commits15:14
henrixinfinity: yeah, i just added that to track the commit. i should probably add a note next time...15:15
* ogasawara back in 2015:44
bjfinfinity, unless something happens, I think we are skipping P and Q again this cycle. it means the following cycle is going to have a crapload of commits in those kernels.16:05
infinitybjf: That sounds fair to me.16:06
bjfhggdh, brendand, vanhoof ^16:06
brendandbjf - oh ok. so we're not looking at new P and Q until the beginning of march?16:09
bjfbrendand, that's what it's looking like16:09
brendandbjf - what's the motivation exactly?16:10
infinitybrendand: Not disrupting the point release.16:11
bjfbrendand, if you read more of the scrollback you can see the discussion. it's about getting the .2 release out and not allowing P kernels into -proposed until .2 is released16:11
infinitybjf: To be fair, we COULD do the cycle as normal and let the kernels into -proposed, and just not promote them until post-release.16:11
infinitybjf: I'm open to that option too, since I'm the one who tends to do all the archive side anyway.16:12
bjfinfinity, not promote them to where until post-release?16:12
infinitybjf: To updates/security.16:12
bjfinfinity, they shouldn't go to updates/security until the following week anyway16:12
brendandbjf - ah yeah. i forgot that's delayed until next week16:12
bjfinfinity, i thought you did all the point release "work up" in -proposed16:13
infinitybjf: We'll be switching image builds to -updates only pretty soon now.16:13
bjfinfinity, when will that switch happen? what is "pretty soon now"?16:13
infinityLike, this week, maybe today or tomorrow.16:14
bjfbah!16:14
bjfhenrix, hggdh, vanhoof, brendand I take it all back, we are turning the crank on everything.16:14
bjfinfinity, if i can get into -proposed by next monday, that's good enough for us16:15
hggdhbjf: ack :-)16:15
infinitybjf: Alright.  I may artificially delay for a few days to make sure all our point release ducks are in a row, but "by next Monday" seems entirely reasonable.16:16
henrixbjf: ack16:17
* bjf feels much better only skipping a single cycle16:18
* infinity is reminded that he needs to do a d-i upload to precise for the last SRU round...16:20
antarusyes please don't forget poor little precise ;p16:27
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bjfogasawara, i'm starting to look at the release notes for 12.04.2. have you done anything there yet?17:20
ogasawarabjf: not yet, but it is on my todo list for today17:20
bjfogasawara, so i can just ignore it :-P17:20
bjf?17:21
ogasawarabjf: yah, let me take a first stab at it.  I'll probably ask you to review/edit tomorrow.17:21
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bjfogasawara, wfm17:21
ohsixwhere do i get me a vmlinux for perf nowadays, last time i had to do it it was ugly and it didn't end up in /boot and stuff18:00
jsalisburyapw, ogasawara should 3.8.0-4 have a linux-tools package?  I see the latest one available is linux-tools-3.8.0-2 .  bug 1115047 was opened for this18:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 1115047 in linux (Ubuntu) "perf tool missing for Linux 3.8.0 (raring)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111504718:04
apwjsalisbury, i think i would expect us to be able to make one, it was off because it needed libraries from universe, but i thought tim fixed that18:05
jsalisburyapw, Actually, I think I see it here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/linux-tools-3.8.0-418:06
apwjsalisbury, indeed we do seem to be building one18:07
jsalisburyapw, and it seems accesible from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux18:07
ogasawaracommit fdfb1fd6dccabf8ff4f4979d01d4f47b47fc599418:07
ogasawaraAuthor: Tim Gardner <tim.gardner@canonical.com>18:07
ogasawaraDate:   Thu Jan 10 12:41:32 2013 -070018:07
ogasawara    UBUNTU: [packaging] Add macro to selectively disable building perf18:07
ogasawara    18:07
ogasawara    Fixes FTBS until libaudit-dev is promoted to main.18:07
ogasawara    18:07
apwso the report must be wrong now at least18:07
ogasawara    Signed-off-by: Tim Gardner <tim.gardner@canonical.com>18:07
apwogasawara, i think the right thing to do is not MIR anything, but to pull tools out of the main kernel package18:08
apwogasawara, i did start looking at it, or more specifically looking at the version in debian where they do the same thing18:08
apwand i think it is probabally viable, at least then it can link to anything18:08
ogasawaraapw: makes sense to me to separate it18:09
apwjsalisbury, ok so we have a package, but no perf in it, so the bug is technically correct18:09
jsalisburyapw, ok, thanks18:09
apwjsalisbury, can you assign that bug to me, and i'll try and make a proper determination tommorrow18:09
apwjsalisbury, as to whether we can just rip it out18:09
jsalisburyapw, will do.18:10
jsalisburyogasawara, apw, thanks!18:10
vanhoofbjf: wasnt attached to  this session, turning the crank due to regression?18:45
bjfvanhoof, all good here. we are turning the crank on everything this week. 18:46
vanhoofwont change 12.04.2 will it?18:46
bjfnope18:46
vanhoofgotcha18:46
apwdiwic, i have a n7 wh19:07
apwdiwic, which is refusing to make noises19:07
diwicapw, did you see today's update to bug 1068804 ?19:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106880419:08
apwdiwic, that is the kernel i am running19:08
apwand it doesn't work before or after a s/r now19:09
diwicapw, so you're running a kernel with the patch from comment 31?19:09
apwdiwic, yes, that is why i am whining at you19:10
ogradiwic, works fine for me ...19:10
ograbut andy seems to suddenly have sound issues (though that looks more like userspace)19:11
apw1/2 isn't a good balance19:11
diwicso ogra and apw have both independently compiled their own kernels with the patch from comment #31, with completely opposite results?19:11
apwogra, can i have your asounds.state ...19:11
apwdiwic, no i made the kernel for both of us19:11
ogradiwic, nah19:11
ograi was lazy19:11
ograhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1610080/19:12
diwichow about the alsa-store.conf override/disable, are both apw and ogra running that?19:12
ograapw, ^^19:12
apwdiwic, no idea what that is, so assume not19:12
ogradiwic, oh, i removed the override files :P19:12
ograapw, whats the version of your ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 package19:13
apw0.5019:13
ograthat doesnt have the override files19:13
ograso we should be on the same page 19:14
ograls -l /etc/init/*.override19:14
ograjust to be sure19:14
diwicwell, if the asound.state has become wrong it will be kept wrong without the overrides, that's a feature19:14
ograyeah19:15
apwls: cannot access /etc/init/*.override: No such file or directory19:15
ogragreat19:15
ograthats what we want19:15
diwicapw, let's have a look at your alsa info19:16
apwwhy don't we ship that damn script with the machine?19:16
diwicapw, /usr/share/alsa-base/alsa-info.sh19:16
ograapw, because the driver needs to DTRT19:16
diwicIIRC19:16
ograapw, the script is generated on first boot ... thats like asking why we dont ship 1G of different initrds on the CD for all possible machines19:17
ogra:)19:17
diwicare we talking about the alsainfo script or the asound.state script?19:17
ograthe state file19:17
apwdiwic, i was talking about the one you showed me _was_ installed :)19:18
apwhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1610099/19:18
apwdiwic, ^^19:18
diwicapw, your speaker is muted19:18
apwgreat, its a shame none of the UI elements tell em that19:19
diwicapw, try muting and unmuting and see if it helps19:19
apwdiwic, ok my speaker is no longer muted, but its still mut19:20
apwmute19:20
diwicok19:20
diwicI've seen this happen a couple of times actually; the speaker alsamixer control spontaneously mutes itself. Probably some powersave feature or something19:21
apwdiwic, damn this thing has a lot of mutes, any idea which of the 100s to try next?19:23
ograint spk19:23
apwthat is already 0019:24
diwicapw, don't try manipulating the 100s of mutiee19:24
diwicmutes, it's more likely to screw something up.19:24
apwoh any i twiddle i am putting back19:25
apwnot that i have tried many19:25
diwicapw, instead try: delete asound.state and move away /etc/init/alsa-store.conf19:25
ograyou can cause pretty nasty results with that19:25
diwicapw, then power off the nexus7, wait a little while and put it back on.19:25
* ogra remembers a full day with a squeeking n7 next to him until he got it back to a sane state 19:25
diwichopefully that brings it into a sane state19:26
ograand you couldnt adjust the volume ... and it started when the driver was initialized 19:26
apwdiwic, ok will try that19:27
diwicogra, what do you mean "couldnt adjust the volume"?19:27
diwicogra, I mean, if it's muted it's muted19:27
ogradiwic, that was before you entered the project :) i played randomly with the mixer and got into such a state 19:27
ogranot even muting solved it 19:28
diwicogra, aha, ok19:28
ograthe driver was just caught in a feedbackish squeek19:28
ograi probably routed some random stuff to some other random stuff that should never have been connected :)19:28
apwdiwic, ok now i have the volume plips, and the 'alert sound' previews back, but nothing for 'test sound'19:29
ograjust like hrw, i just didnt fry my speakers ;)19:29
diwicogra, maybe we should hide more of those controls, all that we don't know what they do19:29
diwicapw, try pressing 'test sound' a few times19:29
ograyeah, but thats extra work19:29
ogratheoretically people shouldnt touch alsamixer if pulkse works19:30
ograor they should know what they do ...19:30
apwdiwic, nothing obvious, i get the 'tink' to say i've hit Test, but no actual speaking bit19:30
diwicapw, yeah, for some reason the 'test sound' is sometimes a 'blupp' and sometimes 'front left'. Both count as success.19:31
apwdiwic, really, thats ... not obvious19:31
diwicapw, I haven't investigated them.19:32
apwtotem can't play an mp3 either19:32
apweven though it did install *-bad first time19:33
diwicapw, btw, speaking of funny alsamixer controls. Did you know what the one I disabled did? It was no regular control. It was a debug feature to set/get individual codec registers. Left channel was the codec register address, right channel was the data to get/set.19:33
apwheh now that is, er nice19:33
diwicapw, you can imagine what happens when alsactl tries to save/restore that kind of stuff.19:33
apwit is not going to end well for sure19:34
apwdiwic, neither can rhythmbox even though it knows what it is19:35
diwic(especially as codec register address 0 was the default, and that likely causes some kind of codec reset. Not that what it does is really documented, just a guess.)19:35
apwso whatever those apps use is not connected to anywhere19:35
diwicapw, does rythmbox show up under applications in sound settings when it's playing something?19:36
apwyep, and full volumn19:36
diwicbut no sound19:36
diwic?19:36
apwthat is correct19:37
diwicapw, while it plays back, try the test speaker feature again in sound settings, is it still working?19:37
apwdiwic, nope19:38
diwicapw, can you go into alsamixer and see if "speaker" has muted itself again?19:38
apwdiwic, alertsound still works19:38
apwdiwic, as does plip on volume change19:39
diwicapw, so you have volume change 'plip' but not test speaker 'blupp'?19:39
apwcorrect19:39
diwicnow that's a combination I've never seen before.19:39
apwdiwic, speaker not muted19:40
apwdiwic, i can only assume it is s/w somehow19:42
diwicapw, 'pactl list' output?19:42
diwic'pacmd list'19:42
apwhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1610165/19:43
apwhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1610166/19:43
apwok since running those two, if i start playback again i get like a nice chainsaw19:45
apwwhich is volume controlled19:46
diwicapw, yeah, it looks like it's constantly reconnecting to pulseaudio or something. Or that's my guess, given that rythmbox is "sink input #82" and I doubt that you've started 81 other clients before19:47
diwicbut ogra has working rhythmbox?19:47
ograi havent tried rb19:47
ograi played a webm video, tried the test sound and have the plop from the volume up/down here19:48
apwclient: 27 <Rhythmbox>19:49
apwdiwic, ^19:49
ogradiwic, playing the HBR1 ambient station from RB now 19:49
apw    index: 11119:49
ograworks fine19:49
apwdiwic, and quitting and restarting rb has gone back to silence19:52
bjfapw, your kernel is working for me19:54
diwicogra, maybe we should add more alsamixer controls, put them first and call them "WARNING" and "DO NOT TAMPER" to avoid more people frying their speakers :-)19:54
ograhaha19:54
apwdiwic, ahhh got it, i had to install -ugly19:55
apwdiwic, when you try the first time it tells you to install -bad19:55
apwafter you do that, it never says another thing19:55
diwicapw, now what do we think of RB doing that? Is it bad, or just ugly? :-)19:56
apwbut without, it is just silent19:56
apwdiwic, well it doing something dumb is ... ugly19:56
apwdiwic, thanks ... and bjf thanks as well19:56
diwicapw, anyway, you got successful playback of mp3 files now?19:56
apwdiwic, i do thanks, once you fixed my plips i was fixed19:56
diwicyw19:58
bjfapw, it seems to always come up "mute" when i reboot19:58
apwbjf, i thought we had a saver for that.  i'll give it a go next19:58
diwicbjf, is that with or without the alsa-store.conf override?19:58
bjfdiwic, i've not done anything special other than install apw's kernel19:59
ograsudo rm /etc/init/alsa*.override19:59
apwls /etc/init.d/*.override19:59
bjfyes, those exist19:59
ograremove them19:59
ograthey need to go away once the kernel is in20:00
diwicinteresting, so then they do have a purpose20:00
diwicI was thinking pulseaudio was enough with storing/restoring volume20:00
diwicit should have been20:00
ograit seems to store the volume here 20:01
ograbut still comes up muted20:01
ograit is at full volume if i had it there and unmute after a reboot20:01
diwicmaybe it has something to do with the spontaneous mutes of alsamixer controls, haven't really figured out why that happens and what to do about it20:01
bjfogra, indeed, that seems to have "fixed" it. i rebooted and it came up in the same state (un-muted)20:02
ograso the only bit left is the muting20:02
diwicapw, bjf so it looks like my patch actually fixes the no-sound-before-s3 problem, can I trust one of you to apply it to the official nexus7 kernel?20:03
apwdiwic, yep i have applied it already, i'll be uploading it once i am happy the other fixes are good20:04
apwogra, were you happy with dmesg20:04
diwicapw, thanks20:04
ograapw, absolutely 20:05
diwicok, got to do some laundry now, happy evening everyone20:05
ograyou too, and thanks !20:05
diwic:-)20:06
diwicbye!20:06
ogasawarabjf: I've taken a first pass at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop21:36
ogasawarabjf: specifically the "LTS Hardware Enablement Stack" and "Ubuntu Kernel 3.5.0-23.35" sections21:37
ogasawarabjf: I still need to scrub the known kernel issues section21:37
ogasawarabjf: but let me know what additional edits I should make or info I should add21:38
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bjfogasawara, ack22:01
vk1266can anyone please suggest how I should check whether a particular LP bugfix has been applied to the mainline kernel?23:12
bjfvk1266, which LP bugfix are you referring to?23:13
vk1266LP: #104055723:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1040557 in linux (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot live-usb bricks SAMSUNG 530U3C,np700z5c laptop" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104055723:14
bjfvk1266, i can tell you that bugfix (or a variant of it) is in Linus' tree and was part of 3.8-rc623:16
vk1266so I guess I am reasonably safe to try the mainline kernel on my Samsung, right?23:17
bjfvk1266, you are building the kernel from the sources yourself?23:17
vk1266no, I need to install deb's to verify if another bug still persists in the mainline kernel23:18
bjfvk1266, are they ubuntu debs?23:20
vk1266yes23:20
bjfvk1266, so for that bug you can see that the fix was released for oneiric, precise and quantal. so if you are installing a recent kernel from one of them you should be fine.23:21
vk1266bjf - perfect, thank you, that's what I needed to know. Now I am off to installing the mainline kernel for my Samsung and checking that other bug!23:22
bjfvk1266, wait!23:22
vk1266yes...23:22
bjfvk1266, there is a difference between an ubuntu kernel and a "mainline" kernel23:23
bjfvk1266, which "mainline" kernel are you installing? where did it come from?23:23
vk1266http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline23:24
bjfvk1266, which mainline kernel are you going to install?23:24
bjfvk1266, that patch just went into mainline late last week23:24
bjfvk1266, if you are installing the v3.8-rc6-raring you should be ok23:26
bjfvk1266, is there a specific bug that you are testing that kernel for?23:27
vk1266I have quantal; I guess I cannot try v3.7-rc2, it is dated 20-Oct-2012 - must stick with 3.5.7.423:28
vk1266I need to run the test for LP: #111485623:28
ubot2Launchpad bug 1114856 in linux (Ubuntu) "power button not working when Samsung laptop is booted in CSM mode; works fine in EFI mode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111485623:28
bjfvk1266, ok, hold off while i look at that23:29
vk1266Considering that 3.8 kernel is not yet available to my quantal installation, and that my current kernel is 3.5.0-23.35, I am wondering how much value will be in checking out 3.5.7.423:30
bjfvk1266, i would not test a mainline kernel for that case. i'm going to add a comment to that effect.23:31
bjfjsalisbury, still around?23:31
vk1266thank you bjf! maybe I should try installing raring on my Samsung, but for just checking one bug it may be a little too much23:32
bjfvk1266, if you can wait, there will be a new Quantal kernel in -proposed by next week that might help23:32
vk1266sure I can -- if the LP bug waits for me23:33
bjfvk1266, i think there is a good chance it will still be around23:34
vk1266bjf, thank you - I will keep checking -proposed23:35
vk1266bjf, I am going to make a note in the LP bug to that extent23:37
bjfvk1266, sounds good23:45
vk1266bjf, I have posted a note to LP: #1114856 - thank you, I will now be checking -proposed and the mainline kernel ppa23:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 1114856 in linux (Ubuntu) "power button not working when Samsung laptop is booted in CSM mode; works fine in EFI mode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111485623:47
bjfvk1266, ack, thanks23:47
jsalisburybjf, hey23:56
bjfjsalisbury, hey, if you read the scrollback you get some indication of what i was going to mention23:56
jsalisburybjf, ok23:57

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