[05:17] <barrydk> odmorning everyone
[05:18] <barrydk> Good Goodmorning everyone
[05:48] <Kilos> morning guys
[06:01] <superfly> ohi
[06:09] <Squirm> hi
[06:09] <Squirm> meh
[06:09] <Squirm> RAID controller Died
[06:09] <Squirm> will probably be in jbh today
[06:09] <Squirm> jhb
[06:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:10] <Kilos> lo ludo Xethron 
[06:21] <Kilos> ludo the yoyo that never says anything
[06:37] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday Vince-0 
[06:51] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:52] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[06:52] <Vince-0> Gosh darn Mondays
[07:00] <Kilos> lol sup Vince-0 
[07:08] <Xethron> heya Kilos :)
[07:08] <Xethron> Had a power outage last night :(
[07:08] <Xethron> Couldn't sleep a wink
[07:09] <Kilos> why cant you sleep when power out?
[07:09] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[07:10] <Kilos> should work fine. lights out eyes closed
[07:10] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[07:11] <Xethron> haha. Coz the outside lights are out. And they like breaking in into my flat :(
[07:11] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[07:11] <Kilos> ai
[07:12] <Xethron> totally off topic, anyone here play Ingress?
[07:12] <Kilos> superfly, does
[07:12] <superfly> Xethron: me!
[07:12] <Xethron> haha
[07:12] <Kilos> lol
[07:12] <Xethron> superfly: area?
[07:12] <superfly> Xethron: Cape Town
[07:12] <Xethron> superfly: Faction?
[07:12] <superfly> Resistance
[07:12] <Xethron> woot woot!
[07:12] <superfly> :-)
[07:12] <Xethron> :D
[07:13] <Xethron> Hate those stupid slime balls
[07:13] <superfly> Xethron: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117665138933177179233/posts
[07:13] <Xethron> superfly: when you have time, check out the University of Pretoria
[07:13] <Xethron> My personal farm :P
[07:14] <Xethron> superfly: https://plus.google.com/communities/107412233593308999169
[07:14] <superfly> Xethron: what area of Pretoria is the uni in?
[07:14] <Xethron> Hatfield
[07:15] <Xethron> Oh wait, you're already in my circles :P
[07:15] <superfly> Oh right, now I remember - was there a few years ago
[07:16] <Xethron> Spent the entire weekend setting that up and getting it back from the E... getting our lvl1's to lvl3
[07:16] <superfly> Xethron: Mr PHP?
[07:16] <Xethron> Jup'
[07:16] <Xethron> <?PHP to be more exact
[07:16] <superfly> yup
[07:17] <tonberryE352> some of the ugliest code i have ever written was in php...
[07:18] <Xethron> :O
[07:18] <Xethron> Shame on you
[07:18] <superfly> tonberryE352: most of the ugliest code I have ever seen was written in PHP
[07:18] <superfly> mostly because PHP itself is ugly
[07:18] <tonberryE352> php asks for it
[07:18] <Xethron> PHP is beautiful!
[07:18] <superfly> Xethron: you evidently haven't used anything else :-P
[07:18] <tonberryE352> it just fails to make sense
[07:18] <Xethron> ./part I don't hang with losers...
[07:18] <Xethron> ah, damn .
[07:18] <Xethron> :P
[07:19] <Xethron> I've used a few others
[07:19] <Xethron> Built an IRC bot in Ruby about 6 months ago
[07:19] <tonberryE352> i've been bitten too many times by phps little quirks
[07:19] <Xethron> Great language that
[07:20] <Kilos> hi jrgns Tonberry 
[07:20] <tonberryE352> hi Kilos
[07:20] <jrgns> hi Kilos, all
[07:26] <superfly> Xethron: except for all the security vulnerabilities coming out recently (though it's mostly for Ruby on Rails)
[07:26] <superfly> Xethron: try Python :-)
[07:26] <superfly> morning jrgns
[07:27] <jrgns> morning fly. pimping python again? :P
[07:27] <superfly> jrgns: ALWAYS
[07:27] <jrgns> hwhw
[07:27] <jrgns> hehe*
[07:29] <Kilos> superfly, Xethron do you guys know each other?
[08:51] <magespawn_> morning all
[08:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:04] <magespawn> new/old peeps i see today
[09:04] <Kilos> ya
[09:12] <Xethron> Kilos: not exactly no. But we play a game in which the community is very close... So, we know of eachother :P
[09:13] <Xethron> superfly: yes, uninstalled rails off all my servers a few days ago...
[09:13] <Kilos> aha Xethron meet magespawn he is in hluwehluwe
[09:14] <Kilos> and the fly wont rest till you are on python
[09:14] <magespawn> 0/
[09:23] <Xethron> superfly: but Ruby is still not bad. And I need to learn Python yes :/
[09:23] <Xethron> hluwehluwe?
[09:24] <Xethron> hello magespawn :)
[09:24] <Kilos> hluhluwe
[09:24] <magespawn> i too play Ingress, not that there is much happening here
[09:25] <Xethron> oooohh
[09:25] <Xethron> With the durban guys
[09:25] <Xethron> Well. close to anyway
[09:26] <Xethron> Well, closer to them than to me :P meh... you get what I mean
[09:26] <Xethron> magespawn: what faction?
[09:26] <magespawn> resistance
[09:27] <Xethron> Ah, how I love this channel :D
[09:27] <magespawn> i am about 300km from Durbs
[09:27] <Kilos> haha
[09:27] <Xethron> No slimeballs around
[09:31] <Kilos> Xethron, you must join our mailing list. there are peeps that need php help now and again
[09:31] <Xethron> haha
[09:31] <Xethron> shame
[09:32] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[09:32] <Kilos> hehe
[09:55] <magespawn> superfly could you do this? http://itjobs.mybroadband.co.za/jobs/senior-python-developer-1599475/
[09:57] <superfly> Yup
[09:57] <superfly> magespawn: I can, not that I want to.
[09:58] <magespawn> no was just browsing my broadband it jobs
[09:58] <superfly> ah
[09:58] <superfly> we're actually looking for more Pythonistas
[10:20] <Xethron> I also get a lot of people contacting me looking for people who can program
[10:20] <Xethron> Never know who to ask :(
[10:26] <magespawn> anybody know how to open a .lvf file? video file from a dvr security system probable H.264
[10:33] <Kilos> did you look here magespawn 
[10:34] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5927805/how-to-open-mdf-and-ldf-files
[10:42] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[10:42] <Kilos> dag inetpro gaan dit goed
[10:42] <Kilos> wats nuus?
[10:43] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn_ 
[10:43] <Kilos> found i see
[10:43] <deegee_1> magespawn: try this link, might be helpful; http://www.moviecodec.com/video-codecs/i-need-help-with-a-lvf-file-98787/
[10:43] <Kilos> hi deegee_1 
[10:44] <deegee_1> hi Kilos o/
[10:44] <Kilos> i think magespawn would like those videos too
[10:44] <Kilos> hi monkey 
[10:44] <monkey> hi Kilos 
[10:45] <monkey> how goes it?
[10:45] <Kilos> the kb fell off i see
[10:45] <Kilos> good ty and you laddy
[10:45] <monkey> yesh. not logged into freenode on webchat
[10:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <Kilos> i see that
[10:45] <Kilos> found a gateway
[10:46] <Kilos> glad you can get here sometimes
[10:47] <monkey> this is a very, very slow day
[10:47] <inetpro> Kilos: good and yourself
[10:48] <inetpro> oh and good day to everyone else as well of course
[10:48] <Kilos> same ty. got some meds
[10:48] <Kilos> die goed is duur jong
[10:49] <magespawn> Kilos lvf not ldf but ty anyway
[10:49] <Kilos> ai sorry magespawn 
[10:49] <magespawn> deegee_1: thanks looks like a download will give it a go
[10:50] <deegee_1> magespawn: np
[10:51] <monkey> coffee is good to get us through the day :]
[10:56] <deegee_1> Kilos: this is the source url for the vids we talked about ....(part I, II & III) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx93U10Kkro
[10:56] <deegee_1> also some more info here; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[10:57] <Kilos> ty deegee_1 will let magespawn  sort the links 
[10:58] <deegee_1> ok
[10:58] <deegee_1> tnx Kilos 
[10:58] <Kilos> for?
[10:58] <Kilos> all good in pommie land?
[10:58] <deegee_1> :-p
[11:01] <magespawn> thanks guys
[11:02] <monkey> catch you all later peeps
[11:02] <monkey> gots to get back to the graft
[11:03] <Kilos> k mon
[11:03] <Kilos> go well
[11:03] <Kilos> ai
[11:23] <Kilos> Banlam, bakuman julle moet groet nou en dan man
[11:24] <Kilos> ohi barrydk 
[11:28] <Kilos> ive got the weirdest prob. 20g drive shows full with maverick on and i cant find any big stuff to use up all that space
[11:28] <Kilos> sisters drive'
[11:28] <Kilos> should all be inside 6 gig
[11:30] <magespawn> is maverick installed on the drive or another os or none at all?
[11:31] <Kilos> only maverick and evo mail and epiphany
[11:31] <Kilos> no movies nothing
[11:31] <magespawn> deegee_1: the link from here worked http://www.elecard.com/en/products/end-user-software/playback/avc-plugin-wmp.html
[11:31] <Kilos> weird
[11:31] <Kilos> with wget magespawn ?
[11:32] <Kilos> will it not be three different ones
[11:32] <magespawn> no unfortunately is for the other os
[11:32] <Kilos> movies
[11:32] <Kilos> videos?
[11:32] <deegee_1> magespawn: glad that could be useful. 
[11:34] <magespawn> Kilos can you see what is on the drive by exploring the drive itself
[11:34] <magespawn> ?
[11:35] <Kilos> ya i open home but theres only 8g it shows as. but everything in there is tiny so dont even know where the 8g comes from
[11:36] <Kilos> archives empty too
[11:36] <Kilos> trash empty
[11:36] <Kilos> i dunno
[11:39] <magespawn> not a corrupt file system or a damaged disk?
[11:39] <Kilos> must be corrupt i think but dunno how it happened
[11:41] <Kilos> im just gonna make a backup of evo and clean install for her
[11:41] <Kilos> she got funny email stuff
[11:41] <Kilos> voda eeek
[11:43] <superfly> magespawn: 2 things: (a) have you tried it in VLC? and (b) have you run ffmpeg -i <video> ?
[11:43] <superfly> (b) is what I would do first
[11:44] <magespawn> yes and yes on the win machine but did not want to open 
[11:44] <superfly> magespawn: what did ffmpeg say?
[11:45] <magespawn> did not see anything come up 
[11:50] <magespawn> i was running it as a wmp plugin
[11:52] <magespawn> looks like i might have been mistaken on that brb
[12:08] <magespawn> rebooting
[12:13] <magespawn> back
[12:30] <magespawn> bbl gotta go out
[16:10] <Kilos> lo hhmmmmmer
[16:11] <Kilos> inetpro, is jy tuis voor die reen
[16:11] <Kilos> ?
[17:05] <magedroid> Evening all
[17:08] <nlsthzn> alo
[17:12] <magedroid> Ppl seem quiet, maybe dinner time
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: gelukkig ja
[17:23] <Kilos> hi magedroid nlsthzn 
[17:23] <Kilos> jy het nie water in gevat om te laat toets inetpro 
[17:23] <Kilos> grrr
[17:26] <Squirm> wow
[17:26] <Squirm> so
[17:26] <Squirm> I got back from jhb at about 3pm yesterday
[17:26] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos ...
[17:26] <Squirm> got into work at 7:30 and turns out our RAID controller died last night
[17:27] <Squirm> so I was back on my way to jhb at like 8L30
[17:27] <Squirm> s/8L30/8:30
[17:27] <Squirm> just got back now
[17:27] <Kilos> why to jhb?
[17:27] <Kilos> is it up there
[17:28] <Kilos> Squirm, ^
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: nee, mal dag
[17:33] <Kilos> bring 2 liter hier , ek sal dit voor jou drink, en as ek die volgende dag hier opkom dan weet jy dis goed
[17:33] <Kilos> hehe
[17:34] <Kilos> as  ek vrek dan gebruik jy dit net op die tuin
[17:35] <Squirm> Kilos: the part wasn't available in their dbn branch
[17:35] <Kilos> ouch
[17:35] <Squirm> it was our main server. the school was kind of computer-less today
[17:36] <Squirm> but it's all up now
[17:36] <Kilos> what part broke?
[17:36] <Squirm> the RAID Controller
[17:36] <Kilos> for a server?
[17:36] <Squirm> yep
[17:37] <Kilos> ah gotcha
[17:37] <Squirm> it's a PCI Card that controls all the Hdd's
[17:37] <Kilos> to sync drives so if one crashes you dont lose anything?
[17:40] <Squirm> hmm, that's one of the options
[17:40] <Squirm> we run RAID 5
[17:40] <Squirm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[17:40] <Squirm> there are a few to choose from. so RAID could also split the load between the installed HDD's
[17:40] <Squirm> and split the data across all the HDD's
[17:40] <Kilos> ah
[17:40] <Squirm> as well as mirror the drives
[17:41] <Kilos> for speed purposes
[17:42] <Squirm> they would improve performance, but I don't know by how much. I don't think RAID Arrays are their for a performance boost. rather they're there for backup purpose
[17:42] <Kilos> interesting
[17:42] <Kilos> reliability and availability, performance, and capacity. 
[17:43] <Kilos> lotsa options though
[17:43] <Kilos> too much for my head
[17:56]  * nlsthzn is setting up the gaming rig to stream to the interwebs...
[17:56] <nlsthzn> and in windows fashion I have to reboot now :/
[17:57] <nlsthzn> brb
[18:05] <Squirm> bbiab, going home
[18:06] <Squirm> Kilos: and then you get things like SAN
[18:07] <Kilos> enough Squirm go safe
[18:07] <Squirm> I live like 200m :P
[18:07] <Squirm> away
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> dont trip
[18:07] <Kilos> its dark
[18:07] <Squirm> have to return the school vehicle, walk back over the hill and fetch my car
[18:24] <magedroid> Squirm you went all the way to JHB for a raid controller?
[18:32] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:47] <smile> hoi :)
[18:50] <magedroid> Good night all
[18:55] <smile> Hi I came here to ask something :D
[18:56] <smile> Is  bloekom Eucalyptus? :)
[18:56] <Cantide> 'o'
[18:58] <smile> Because I read bloekomplantasies
[18:58] <smile> Google Translate says that but I'm unsure
[18:59] <Cantide> I have no idea myself
[18:59] <Cantide> I'm not an Afrikaans speaking >_>
[19:00] <Cantide> speaker *
[19:00] <Cantide> wow, i am tired 'o'
[19:03] <smile> Cantide: I'm looking it up in my dictionary :D
[19:05] <smile> hmm, it's not in there
[19:05] <smile> http://www.majstro.com/dictionaries/Afrikaans-English/bloekom :)
[19:07] <inetpro> smile: ja
[19:08] <inetpro> bloekom = blue‐gum or eucalyptus
[19:10] <inetpro> or De blauwe gomboom
[19:10] <smile> inetpro: rubber? :p
[19:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:11] <inetpro> not sure whether they really make rubber from this tree
[19:13] <inetpro> uses: Timber, Pulpwood,  Essential oil,  Herb tea, Honey and Phenolics
[19:14] <inetpro> not that I know what Phenolics is
[19:14] <smile> ok :)
[19:14] <smile> Noorweegse Sendinggenootskap <- do you know something more than me about this subject, inetpro? :)
[19:15] <inetpro> no
[19:16] <smile> :(
[19:16] <smile> I only know that it was a christian group that landed in Natal
[19:17] <smile> and tried to influence the view on religion to more christian
[19:17] <smile> :p
[19:29] <smile> http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Empangeni&diff=34724084&oldid=34723274 :D
[19:41] <smile> bye :)
[19:58] <superfly> inetpro: afaik eucalyptus != blue gum, but I may be wrong
[19:59] <inetpro> superfly: well I know it as the blue gum tree
[20:00] <inetpro> not sure where that comes from though
[20:00] <superfly> i wonder if wikipedia knows?
[20:06] <inetpro> superfly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_globulus
[20:06] <superfly> I see
[20:07] <inetpro> superfly: The broad juvenile leaves are borne in opposite pairs on square stems. They are about 6 to 15 cm long and covered with a blue-grey, waxy bloom, which is the origin of the common name "blue gum".
[20:09] <superfly> so Eucalyptus is a family of trees... didn't know that
[20:09] <inetpro> never to old to learn :-)
[20:09] <superfly> then again, until the other day I didn't know that most dog breeds we think have been around for thousands of years have only been bred in the last 100 or so years
[20:10] <Guest4051> heya
[20:10] <superfly> german shepherd, rottweiler, pitbulls and bull terriers, amongst others
[20:10] <superfly> Guest4051: hi, have you come to chat about Linux?
[20:10] <inetpro> superfly: maybe he is using Ubuntu
[20:11] <inetpro> then again I doubt
[20:11] <superfly> inetpro and I were just talking about whether or not PulseAudio is actually as good as everyone says it is
[20:11] <Guest4051> no i come to find a girl
[20:11] <inetpro> lol
[20:11] <superfly> Guest4051: I think not... what do you think? PulseAudio, or OSSv4?
[20:11] <superfly> Guest4051: are you desperate?
[20:12] <superfly> heh, he must be to come onto IRC
[20:12] <inetpro> superfly: well done!
[20:12] <Tonberry> pulse is nice if you want network sound streaming
[20:12] <superfly> Tonberry: it's a solution looking for a problem
[20:13] <superfly> I see OSSv4 is now in the repositories
[20:13] <superfly> haven't tried it in a long time
[20:14] <Tonberry>  works for me
[20:14] <superfly> Tonberry: mostly because of our powerful computers these days
[20:15] <Tonberry> true
[20:15] <superfly> all PulseAudio really does is provide yet another layer, or 2, for sound to go through
[20:15] <Tonberry> it is a bit of a hog
[20:15] <superfly> app -> PA ALSA bridge -> PA -> ALSA -> driver -> sound card
[20:16] <superfly> cut out PA and you get app -> ALSA -> driver -> sound card
[20:16] <inetpro> superfly: so what do you do to change over to OSSv4?
[20:16] <inetpro> is it part of oss4-base?
[20:17] <Tonberry> cant we just pick one and stick to it?
[20:17] <inetpro> bye vinc[tab]
[20:17] <superfly> inetpro: a lot of apps are able to use OSS directly (in fact, Skype on Linux used to use OSS, before they migrated to ALSA and now Pulse support)
[20:18] <superfly> and for those that can't use OSS directly, OSS has an ALSA-compatible API
[20:18] <superfly> so you get ALSA-API -> OSS -> driver -> sound card at worst
[20:18] <superfly> inetpro: but also there's a big difference between ALSA's architecture and OSSv4's architecture
[20:19] <superfly> which makes OSS, in general, close to the "bare metal"
[20:19] <superfly> *closer
[20:20] <inetpro> good to see things developing in the linux multimedia world
[20:20] <superfly> inetpro: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
[20:20] <inetpro> ahh
[20:21]  * inetpro remembers teh negativity
[20:21] <inetpro> the*